22 murdered in Kenya mall attack: “The gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave. They were safe, and non-Muslims would be targeted.”

Death toll now at 22.

But remember: to examine and oppose the ideology that leads to this brutal and wanton mass murder would be “racist.”

“Witness: Kenya Mall Attackers Target Non-Muslims,” by Jason Straziuso for the Associated Press, September 21 (thanks to Lookmann):

Gunmen threw grenades and opened fire Saturday killing at least 10 people in an attack targeting non-Muslims at an upscale mall in Kenya’s capital that was hosting a children’s day event, witnesses said.

A local hospital was overwhelmed with the number of wounded being brought in hours after the attack, so they had to divert them to a second facility.

Elijah Kamau, who was at the mall at the time of the midday attack, said that the gunmen made a declaration that non-Muslims would be targeted.

“The gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave. They were safe, and non-Muslims would be targeted,” he said.

Manish Turohit, 18, said he saw gunmen with AK-47s and vests with hand grenades on them inside the mall before he escaped to hide in a parking garage for two hours.

“They just came in and threw a grenade. We were running and they opened fire. They were shouting and firing,” he said after being marched out of the mall in line with about 15 people who held their hands in the air.

Rob Vandijk, who works at the Dutch embassy, said he was eating at a restaurant inside the mall when attackers lobbed hand grenades inside the building. He said gunfire then burst out and people screamed as they dropped to the ground.

It appears the attack began at the outdoor seating area of Artcaffe at the front of the mall, witnesses said.

Patrick Kuria, an employee at Artcaffe, said: “We started by hearing gunshots downstairs and outside. Later we heard them come inside. We took cover. Then we saw two gunmen wearing black turbans. I saw them shoot.”…

Somali’s rebel group al-Shabab vowed in late 2011 to carry out a large-scale attack in Nairobi in retaliation for Kenya’s sending of troops into Somalia to fight the Islamic insurgents.

The Westgate Mall is situated in Nairobi’s affluent Westlands area and is frequented by expatriates and rich Kenyans.

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  1. says

    Robert:

    Did you happen to capture a screenshot of the original AP news article you quote? The article currently at the link you provided has been greatly edited compared to what you quote above, and the witness quote no longer appears – has the whitewash begun?

    Please make sure you capture a screenshot of articles like this when you reference them; the Internet is ephemeral and subject to easy revision (i.e. “down the memory hole” with uncomfortable facts).

  2. says

    Flashback 2010: Obama pushed and bankrolled the imposition of Sharia in Kenya. As a Senator, Obama supported Odinga (his anti-U.S. Marxist cousin) who made a pact with the Muslims to impose SHARIA on Kenyans, although only 10% of them are Muslim.

    President Obama praised Kenya for approving a controversial new constitution that liberalizes abortion laws and that partially implements Muslim Sharia law within Kenya’s borders… The Obama administration has spent about $23 million supporting the new constitution

    Obama + Odinga = Sharia

  3. says

    Did they invite the kuffar to embrace Islam before shooting them?

    OT, while scanning the cable menu I came across a comedy called , ‘Little Mosque on the Prairie’.
    I don’t pay so I don’t get. Has that been around long?

  4. says

    Flashback 2008: NY Sun: The Kenya Connection

    …the burning of a church with up to 50 men, women, and children inside, while machete-armed mobs slaughter up to 600 more people, have evoked memories of the Rwandan genocide of 1994. Who is behind these massacres? The opposition leader, Raila Odinga… If Mr. Obama did not know about Mr. Odinga’s electoral deal with the Kenyan Islamists when he offered his support, then he should have known. If he did know, then he is guilty of lending the prestige of his office to America’s enemies in the global war on terror. We need to know exactly what Mr. Obama knew about Mr. Odinga, and precisely when he knew it.

    What difference does it make?

  5. says

    I just read CNN’s version and yup, no mention of Muslims being released.
    Why, oh why, do they keep covering up for this sick, sick ideology?

  6. says

    How to survive a mall attack? …yeah stay away from malls!

    “But remember: to examine and oppose the ideology that leads to this brutal and wanton mass murder would be “racist.'”

    Yes, and “islamophobic” as well…

    But in reality it’s the evil TRUTH about islam and company they fear the most.

    Hey the truth may hurt but delusional harms.

  7. says

    Islam is evil. Until the majority of Americans finds that out these attacks will continue all over the world. The irony is we elected a president twice who is the biggest enabler of expansion of the cult of Islam. Very strange and surreal phase in the history of mankind. Islam should have been eradicated centuries ago. But here it is stronger than ever with our own money for oil.

  8. says

    From the Daily Nation, Kenya:

    “Somalia’s Al-Qaeda-linked al-Shabaab rebels on Saturday claimed responsibility for an attack on a shopping mall in Nairobi, saying on Twitter it was in retaliation for Kenya’s military intervention in Somalia.

    “The Mujahideen entered #Westgate Mall today at around noon and are still inside the mall, fighting the #Kenyan Kuffar inside their own turf,” the group said on Twitter.

    “What Kenyans are witnessing at #Westgate is retributive justice for crimes committed by their military,” the group said.

    Al-Shabaab claimed that its fighters had killed 100 people in the attack.

    The Kenyan Red Cross has said 30 people have been confirmed killed and 60 wounded.

    Kenyan forces entered Somalia two years ago to fight al-Shabaab, and remain in the country as part of an African Union force that is supporting Somalia’s internationally-backed government.”

  9. says

    In reference to my earlier post
    Yahoo is now covering this story and they have changed or moved the link about Pope Francis not being liberal enough. Someone must have tipped them off.

    As always
    Mosque Muhammadians are running loose manipulating media and murdering non-Muslims rather than admit that Islam is a pathetic evil ideology built of satanic verses.

  10. says

    In 1989 canada had a gender-cide slaughter by a pro-Shariah student at a School that had the nerve to Educate women to be in the Technical trades and Engeneering classes.
    Gamil Gharabi was raised in a pro-shariah home in Quebec by a strict Muslim immigrant father from Algeria. Gamil went by the name of Marc Lepine to blend in among the french Catholic population, but, they didn’t know he was using Taqqiyah to plot against canada for our freedoms that offended allah , and still does in 2013 by the home-grown Terrorist muslims caught prior to their Truck-Bombs and VIA rail jihad slaughter plans.

    By 1989 the femiNazis men-haters had passified a whole generation of males with their guilt that ALL-males from birth are potential misogynistic abusers , or killers.
    Because of this, Gamil entered his school knowing there was little security to stop him and he knew the classroom schedules for the female students he wanted to kill. He entered one room and told the male students he wasn’t thier enemy and they were free to leave as he was there to isolate the females.
    These gutless males produced by the feminazis had just got up and abandoned the females because ALL violence was wrong according the feminists doctrine that even denounces our Military and Cops having guns.
    Gamil tried to murder all 20 female students from his list of offenders of Allah, but poor allah, only 14 died while 6 survived to join the feminsists and blame ALl males for the Jihad slaughter by a pro-Shariah male.
    Now we see the Muslims in the mall freely abandone innocent non-muslim shoppers to be slaughtered by their fellow muslims to please allah and murder infindels as a favour to their God.

    The CBC and feminists like Naomi Klein and Susan G Cole still refuse to let go of the misandry and use the “M” word in that 1989 Jihad. No sir, it’s sad to waste a mass slaughter of females that could be blamed on all males to further their feminist cause and get MORE grants from all levels of Governments because of an islamic problem rooted in the Quran and Shariah law.
    The CBC just reported on the Forced-marriage crisis in canada and avoided the “M” word to leave the impression that it’s canada’s problem and not a Immigration issue from importing pro-Shariah muslims from islamic hell-holes.

    Funny though about the Kenya (Obama’s homeland) mall killings, the islamists shariah murderers had a hatred for Infidels that was greater than their nomal Misogyny for muslim females because they warned ALL muslims to leave as they were only focused on Infidels of all ages and genders. I guess that once they slaughter all the infidels, THEN they will narrow their Jihad and calipahte crusade to start executing Apostae females and adulters among them in the Mosques and Malls.
    The Western leftists and Liberals can’t see the whole picture that once CAIR gets it’s way with spreading Shariah for the Muslim Brotherhood, all their non-muslim enablers will be the closest most trusting to be killed first prior to the Apostate slaughters and Whahhabi hatred for Black African muslims the saudis see as faux-muslims that should be slaves or killed.

  11. says

    Let’s hope Christians in Africa see the writing on the wall and form a coalation of forces to counter and defeat the blood thirsty Muslim lunatics.

  12. says

    Okay, this one has the video I mentioned above. The vid is made by a former Navy SEAL, and I had nothing to do with it other than to agree with it. So, if like me “yeah[,] stay away from the malls” means to you that you’re too scared to fight if/when the time comes, join the cheer-leaders and let the rest of us fight. Just do what we say when the bullets are flying and you’re lying there screamin’.

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2011/12/mall-of-america-madness.html

  13. says

    Walkingwest
    I just rechecked Yahoo
    Yahoo appears to have flushed this story off their site. They have gotten much worse than MSN. No doubt MSN will also be up to their old tricks before long.

    lookmann mentioned ABC
    I just now followed the associated press link in this article to ABC. It is outrageously horrible as lookmann mentioned.

    The following is a funny non-PC version of ASC’20-20 report on Islam by Diane Sawyer
    (DISECTED FOR TRUTH)
    WHITE WASHING ISLAM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlLmSTK250

  14. says

    Bottom line: No Islam, then all of these 22 people killed in Nairobi would be alive today.

    Islam is responsible for more deaths in its name than any other ideology, secular or spiritual, in all of mankind’s history (at least 270 million). This is its true legacy. This should be its final legacy.

    And, seconding gravenimage, I hate Islam. All people of sense and knowledge should by now. Islam is a burden to all the world (arguably most to scared Muslims who secretly suspect the worst of their religion but are afraid to leave it for fear of death or grave bodily harm). Frankly, I’m stunned at times that most everyone hasn’t figured this out by now about Islam. But enough still haven’t for whatever lame reason. Shame on them, particularly the Western elites in academia, the media and politics who continue to butt-wipe for Islam. Actually, covering for evil is even worse than evil because it gives evil breathing room. Western elites should know this by now but sadly they don’t.

  15. says

    Muslims have proven to the world that they are murderous barbarians through and through. I have said it elsewhere but it bears repeating as often as possible:

    Christians want to convert you. Muslims want to kill you.

  16. says

    “How to survive a mall attack? …yeah stay away from malls!”

    This is the comment I made that caused undaunted to come unhinged? Ridiculous.

    I stand by my comment and I make no apology for it. I wasn’t mocking him, yet he mocks me up the wazoo. My comment was nothing more than an attempt at humor. Read it again through that lens.

    Good grief, man …

  17. says

    I have noticed that every time the BBC News website carries a story of murder linked to Islam (browse the BBC website at any time on any day – the majority of stories of murder or unrest worldwide are in Islamic countries or carried out by Muslims), the comments section has been disabled. If there have been exceptions to this, they have escaped my notice. It would be nice for people to air their views but they are unable to do so.

  18. says

    Check out this scathing bit of this whole blood letting spree of Muslim shabab; “…over 150 sustain injuries as gunmen open fire on those who failed to respond to questions”
    …………………………
    Witnesses said that the men who raided the shopping centre at 11 am were armed with AK-47 rifles and hand grenades.

    Most victims of the daring attack sustained gunshot and shrapnel wounds.

    The attackers shot their way through the main gate and the parking. They then approached the Artcaffé ” a popular restaurant usually patronised by diplomats and expatriates ” and opened fire on customers indiscriminately.

    The gang, which was dressed in black with their faces covered, threw three grenades but one did not explode.

    According to a witness, Mr Abdul Jamal, the men appeared to be of Somali origin and declared that they were revenging the Kenyan military campaign in Somalia.

    “Kenya went to Somalia and killed women. We have come to revenge,” they declared, the witness said. They were allegedly asking particular questions and those who hesitated responding were shot dead.”

    http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Army-police-save-600-in-tense-operation-/-/1056/2002374/-/t24891z/-/index.html

  19. says

    “Horror in Kenya: ‘al-Shabaab claim responsibility as non-Muslims targeted in terror attack’ on Nairobi shopping centre.
    “At least 39 dead and scores more injured as gunmen, armed with grenades, stormed affluent mall”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/horror-in-kenya-alshabaab-claim-responsibility-as-nonmuslims-targeted-in-terror-attack-on-nairobi-shopping-centre-8831413.html

    An ‘Independent’ journalist, speaking from the area in Kenya, likened this particular jihadist massacre to that of Mumbai.

  20. says

    Yahoo is covering the story again.
    It almost seems as if they are timing there coverage to my criticisms.

    Seriously though, it is hit or miss coverage.

  21. says

    The sooner people would stop thinking of Islam as a religion the better off we’ll be. Then we can start fighting it like the mass-murder political ideology it is.

    Mohamet said “War is deception.” And what’s the biggest deception? That Islam is a religion. Mo must have chuckled when he threw in the Arabian moon deity knowing how many suckers he would attract.

    Love chocolate. Is there anyone who actually doesn’t?! :)

  22. says

    “Al-Shabaab confirms it’s behind the Westgate spectacle,” the group said on its Twitter feed. “The Mujahideen entered Westgate Mall today at around noon and are still inside the mall, fighting the Kenyan Kuffar inside their own turf.”

    -from a ‘Bloomberg’ report today.

  23. says

    Wow, you’re all over the map there, Champ. You write something up top that rings of mocking me, as you’ve done in the past, and then claim you were mocking… you.

    Then you’re sure I owe you an apology… but claim we’re buds and tell me to take care. Then you’re back to mocking me as unhinged and unstable. And then you call me an ass. Any wonder why I wrote what’s at the link below?

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2013/04/stepping-on-toes.html

    Expect no apology, Champ.

  24. says

    Damn bully. Learn how to speak to a lady.

    All of this much ado about nothing from the start. Get some help for your unwarranted rage.

    Meanwhile we have to stop the Muslims’ infernal global jihad w/out all this pathetic internecine discord.

  25. says

    Unmentioned so far is any mention of how this mall attack was permitted to get established and then so entrenched inside the mall, and to be lasting all of this time with the continuous killings; and it’s isn’t under control yet.

    The Kenyan head of State merely saying that “it’s a delicate situation” and that care must be taken to avoid more deaths.

    If the Israelis had major financial interests in that mall located in a very unstable country, Kenya, with Muslims all over the area, and the Kenyan government certainly not unaware of the constant Muslims’ threats in the surrounding nations, why wasn’t a plan in place since the mall’s opening day to have an immediate Government response team or a more reliable independent security company on the scene?…within minutes?

    The lessons of Mumbai and that similar urban attack seem to have gone unmentioned.

    Kenya must be just another African failed state.

  26. says

    Wow, Champ, really are delusional. As the evidence clearly indicates at the link below to anyone who reads what I wrote there AND follows the link back to JW to find what you and LL and Dumbles wrote about me, it was you three who were doing the smear-job.

    You don’t have a blog, you use Robert’s forum here as a platform for your silliness. At my blog I write necessary stuff, and Robert has permitted me to post here over the years… and has deleted some of my posts, in fact.

    Robert telling the truth about what this or that Muslim said or did is not smearing them. It is exposing them for what they are on the inside. I told the truth about you and the evidence is there in the links, with your own cutesy little heart symbol as evidence. So, now we know what you ~ and not just you ~ are really like on the inside.

    I’m moving on. I don’t have any more time for you.

  27. says

    “undaunted” is clearly delusional, and since he does not “have time” for me, then we shouldn’t expect a response.

    He is delusional to think that posting that dialogue including three contributors from here, on his silly forum, is not a smear campaign–the mere fact that he posted that exchange on another forum shows evidence to the contrary. Methinks undaunted needs to sit down in front of a mirror and take a long hard look at himself, and stat. What a double standard hes put on display.

    He is not a big man with a blog, but a very small one–with a minuscule heart. I actually feel sorry for this lonely ole man.

    For his 411, my heart next to my name *means* something, and most here already know this.

    The heart represents this passage from the Bible …

    “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

    I suppose if “undaunted” took the time to read more carefully what others state, then he wouldn’t be so ignorant of the facts. In fact this entire mudslide on this thread was caused by *his* inability to read things more accurately. In his own words …Wow

    Hey, post this comment on your silly blog–I dare you!

  28. says

    Have a nice life.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I have a wonderful life! My husband and I have been married for nearly 26 years, we have four amazing children, and 6 adorable g’children! They live close by, so we get to spend a lot of time with them doing what families do together.

    I feel sorry for you. Divorced. Unhappy. It definitely shows. Saying, Have a nice life to you, would be an insult.

    Maybe one day you will have a nice life–if you stop pushing people away.

  29. says

    And the blog essay undaunted penned a while back ago, which he links to above, is not only filled with adolescent narcissistic rage (not to mention logical fallacies which, among other things, try to make a direct connection between the exigency to not fail to guard against Islamic terrorism — with reminders of how Satanically brutal that terrorism is — and the perceived slights Champ, dumbledoresarmy and myself are supposed to have inflicted on undaunted’s precious ego), it has blatant errors, such as:

    “As for you, LL, you have the nerve to suggest that face-to-face I’d be a pissy little bitch like you? Do you know me, miss?”

    If one examines that old JW thread (an excellent place, by the way, to get a refresher course in undaunted’s anger management issues — something perhaps gravenimage should attend to rather than chiding Champ), one may scour every comment I made and not find evidence of undaunted’s unhinged and paranoid accusation I quoted.

  30. says

    Out of curiosity I read here what’s transpired overnight. And I repeat:

    Damn bully. Learn how to speak to a lady. Shut your cake-hole.

    About “graven image” – blame the bully with his foul mouth – not his victims.

    All of this much ado about nothing from the start. Get some help for your unwarranted rage.

    Meanwhile we have to stop the Muslims’ infernal global jihad w/out all this pathetic internecine discord.

  31. says

    “But you three clearly pretend to be pious Christians with your putrid gossip about me, suggesting with your “innocent” questions that I’m quite a jerk, a wife-beater, an alcoholic…and you three can keep publicly masturbating each other with your vomitous hypocrisy if you choose, there’s no law against being a fool and a liar…”

    **********

    Listen up, hard ass “Shape up or ship out”!

    Think about whom you are directing your well honed “killer-instincts” toward – your own team goddamnit!!

    Let’s examine the three, shall we?

    Champ, a GRANDMOTHER for Christ’s sake and I mean that quite literally. Normally she is as sweet as she can be – except when she is confronted by a jerk. All she wants is for you to “stop being mean” – is this not possible for you? She has NO BUSINESS carrying a gun, or thinking about how to physically overpower a terrorist – that’s YOUR JOB, Rambo!

    LemonLime, an extremely intelligent and erudite College Professor, but kind of a smart ass at times. He could run rings around you, tear you apart and tie bow knots with the pieces – IN A DEBATE. Out on the street, you’d kill him in a heart-beat if you wanted to – and you know this. All your tactical knowledge and you waste your time in a pissing contest with an intellectual – REALLY?

    dumbledoresarmy, hands down, one of the best we have at JW. She has more knowledge of history, including the military sort, and can expound upon it with great effect and mastery. She is even tempered, insightful, and just the sort of intellect we desperately to prosecute the war on Jihad. She is the heavy artillery, in the main battery – and you pick a fight with HER?!

    You have no business getting your panties all in a bunch over what these people say!

    You are not in their battlespace, Einstein!

    Your audience is ME and people like me, who know how to use a gun, and carry one from time to time. I read your stuff, have found some of it useful. I am the guy who JUST MIGHT BE ON YOUR FLANK when the frivolity starts – think it might help if I took some of your tips to heart?

    I thought so.

    So lay off the grandmothers and the college professors and the fine, intelligent ladies who post here – your business is not with them, they are not in your arena. Please stick to what you know and what you are good at.

    You owe all of them an apology, but if you can’t bring yourself to apologize, then shut up.

    I appreciate what you do, please don’t blow it up over some stupid pissing contest.

    We might need each other, one day

  32. says

    Now that this thread is dead, I am going to put undaunted on notice …

    You will NOT bully me any more. You will NOT intimidate me any more.

    Hey if you can’t handle a simple common sense approach to avoiding a mall attack, then perhaps Jihad Watch is not the place for you.

    Now I am the one who’s undaunted.

  33. says

    Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. That is your oath.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Undaunted needs to take his own advice.

  34. says

    Psalm 23 …

    The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

    He makes me to lie down in green pastures;

    He leads me beside the still waters.

    He restores my soul;

    He leads me in the paths of righteousness
    For His name’s sake.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; For You are with me;

    Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

    You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;

    You anoint my head with oil;

    My cup runs over.

    Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
    All the days of my life;

    And I will dwell in the house of the Lord Forever.

    Amen.

  35. says

    MSN Has this as a lead in story and even mentions the religious connection.

    Yahoo appears to be hiding once again.
    They have an elaborate fluff piece about Hillary Clinton and an article about the new pope not being “liberal enough”

    Has Yahoo been bought out by Huff Post or does the Saudi government own their stock?

    MSN is getting better and Yahoo is getting worse.

  36. says

    Forget the BBC if you want honesty when Islam is in the frame.

    The corporation is finished as far as I’m concerned.

    However the Daily Mail has stepped up to the plate here naming names and no pc coyness.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2427892/Nairobi-mall-Gunmen-massacred-22-Kenyan-shopping-centre-targeted-non-Islamics.html

    This comment caught my attention.

    Black humour but right on the nail. (I’ve tidied the grammar up a bit.)

    ‘It baffles me how this tiny minority of extremists can get around the world so fast.

    Possibly they have access to secret wormhole technology or even a more far fetched idea that perhaps the government has slightly underestimated their global numbers due to politicians having their heads buried in hot sand and other dark places for so long’.

    He obviously gets it.

  37. says

    I listen alot to the Beeb, not for real news or enlightenment, just to sift through the lies and read between the lines. That they didn’t mention the Muslim perpetrators is just what you’d expect from the BBC.

  38. says

    22 murdered in Kenya mall attack: “The gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave. They were safe, and non-Muslims would be targeted.”
    Death toll now at 22.

    But remember: to examine and oppose the ideology that leads to this brutal and wanton mass murder would be “racist.”
    ………………………….

    Yes”never mind that most of the victims here were almost certainly “people of color” themselves.

    More:

    Gunmen threw grenades and opened fire Saturday killing at least 10 people in an attack targeting non-Muslims at an upscale mall in Kenya’s capital that was hosting a children’s day event…
    ………………………….

    A *children’s day event*”let *that* sink in. Muslims regularly target children’think of Beslan and the attempted bombing of the Christmas tree lighting in Portland, Oregon.

    More:

    Elijah Kamau, who was at the mall at the time of the midday attack, said that the gunmen made a declaration that non-Muslims would be targeted.

    “The gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave. They were safe, and non-Muslims would be targeted,” he said.
    ………………………….

    How common *is this*? We’ve seen this before”because Infidels are fair game.

    More:

    It appears the attack began at the outdoor seating area of Artcaffe at the front of the mall, witnesses said.
    ………………………….

    Jihad against shoppers, art lovers, coffee drinkers, and children…

    And this is all in “revenge” for Kenya daring to address the Somalian Jihad slopping over into their country.

    God, I hate Islam.

    Battle of Tours wrote:

    I wonder why BBC failed to mention the Muslim part of the story?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24186780
    ………………………….

    Actually, though the BBC has an appalling record of omitting such information, if your read far enough in the article, BoT, you will find that they do mention it.

  39. says

    Maybe it’s the weekend staff that has let their guard down, Jay B. Believe me, yahoo’s PC censoring minions suppress, edit and black out just as severely as the MSM does all news and comments which are not supportive of their PC, liberal, muslims are not murdering whitewash. They are part of the west’s new Pravda, propaganda journalism for the masses..

  40. says

    Thanks so much for that link.
    The pictures were heartbreaking.
    Nothing from those who escaped after reciting an Islamic prayer? Have they no shame?
    Or are they rejoicing at the deaths?

  41. says

    Champ wrote, replying to Undaunted:

    How to survive a mall attack? …yeah stay away from malls!
    …………………………….

    Champ, while I think Undaunted has been a bit hard on you in his reply”with respect, he does have a point.

    This was a *horrific* attack on innocent people at a mall”and this is true whether you are a “mall rat”, or someone who thinks they’re tacky and avoids them like the plague.

    The homicidal Jihadists *didn’t care that this was a mall*”a mall is just a convenient place to find relaxed, distracted, unarmed Kaffir families.

    If Infidels became so terrified of mall attacks that the malls all shut down, it would make no difference (except to the poor shop owners, of course).

    Jihadists would just start gunning us down in schools, in hotel lobbies, in theaters, in subway stations, on crowded main streets during the Christmas shopping season, at farmer’s markets, and in churches and synagogues.

    Actually, they are *already* doing these things.

    Staying away from malls is no defense against the depredations of Islam.

  42. says

    Wich

    thanks for that extra information from the Kenyan English-language paper (can we have a link?).

    This bit really got me – the quote from the Twitter post by some of the vicious sadistic mohammedthugs:

    “The Mujahideen entered #Westgate Mall today at around noon and are still inside the mall, fighting the #Kenyan Kuffar inside their own turf,” the group said on Twitter.

    ‘Fighting’.

    Ambushing and then gunning down defenceless, unarmed shoppers? These vile pukes call *that* ‘fighting’? ::SPIT:: PUKE::

    Mohammedan definition of ‘fighting’ = “ambushing and massacring people who can’t fight back”. Thrill-killing.

    Of course, if the Kenyan police and army manage to track down and annihilate the mass-murdering mohammedthugs, the entire mohammedan mob will squeal and wail and call it a ‘massacre’.

  43. says

    Dumbledore’s Army wrote, replying to Wich:

    “The Mujahideen entered #Westgate Mall today at around noon and are still inside the mall, fighting the #Kenyan Kuffar inside their own turf,” the group said on Twitter.

    ‘Fighting’.

    Ambushing and then gunning down defenceless, unarmed shoppers? These vile pukes call *that* ‘fighting’? ::SPIT:: PUKE::
    …………………………………….

    Yes, DDA”this is the favorite “fighting” for the brave “Lions of Islam””gunning down shoppers and restaurant patrons *on children’s day*. *Ugh*.

    And the MSM enables this”the story Battle of Tours linked to from the BBC describes the attack as a “shoot out” in its headline”as though either the shoppers were armed and fighting back, or as though two gangs were shooting it out and some innocent victims got caught in the crossfire.

    Of course, neither of these things are true”this was a massacre of unarmed innocents, nothing less.

  44. says

    Methinks “unhinged” has been playing with your guns too much …

    Making cupcakes would be a good diversion for him right now, lol!!

    And then eat a few to sweeten up …

  45. says

    Champ, while I think Undaunted has been a bit hard on you in his reply”with respect, he does have a point.

    This was a *horrific* attack on innocent people at a mall”and this is true whether you are a “mall rat”, or someone who thinks they’re tacky and avoids them like the plague.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You are assuming too much of me to think that I don’t find this attack horrific. Of course I do. You need to address your response to undaunted, not me. He made waaaay too much of what I wrote, and now so are you.

    A bit hard? His invective’s were more than that!

  46. says

    Right. Thanks. And, at my blog I’ve written suggestions to cover every scenario you mentioned above.

    Too bad some have only mockery and fear to run on.

  47. says

    I’m disappointed in gravenimage. undaunted made a mountain out of a molehill and generated, out of nothing, rancor and animosity among the Counter-Jihad ranks. undaunted, and only undaunted, is at fault here. He has anger management issues, as I’ve seen a few times before on other threads. He’s irrationally irascible and prickly, and that is highly annoying, when it’s not positively counter-productive. The JW regulars often wring their hands about Counter-Jihad harmony and “don’t let the enemy see us being divided”; but when it matters, as it does here, we find them remiss. To devote an entire fairly long post to chiding Champ (and reminding her that this event is an atrocity, as though she was actually really not mindful of that, knowing Champ as well as graven knows her…!!???) is only exacerbating undaunted’s fault here.

  48. says

    The body count is now at 39. Allah is pleased.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, evil allah is pleased alright …islam is the “religion” from hell!

    Oh, and I hope you like chocolate! :)

  49. says

    Champ wrote:

    You are assuming too much of me to think that I don’t find this attack horrific. Of course I do.
    …………………………………

    I never thought that, Champ”of course not.

    I just meant that these vile Jihadists are relentless, and that it is not possible to simply avoid them.

    This is true in places cheek by jowl with Dar-al-Islam like Kenya, and is increasingly the case in the West, as well.

    Hope you are well.

  50. says

    I just meant that these vile Jihadists are relentless, and that it is not possible to simply avoid them.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, I know that; my comment was merely tongue-in-cheek. I think that you and undaunted have taken my comment much too seriously.

    And if you read my comment again, then you will see that I’m poking fun at *myself*, not undaunted. He jumped to the wrong conclusion about what my intention was in writing that comment, but all he did was make a fool of himself.

    Read it again–I wasn’t mocking him, I was mocking myself!

  51. says

    Hey you decided to side with that unhinged character “undaunted”, so don’t give me your attitude now. Of course I’m upset with you. Wouldn’t you be?

    You and “unstable” are such buddies. Ok-fine.

  52. says

    You are such a horrible and evil person for writing such mean things about me on your blog, how dare you!

    And then you have the nerve to post your garbage HERE for all to read? Incredible how mean and spiteful you are!

  53. says

    Reading down this thread…and I see you and Champ got into it again. Well, you’ve been there before–you guys don’t like each other.
    And nobody says you have to…

    But, what’s this:

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2013/04/stepping-on-toes.html

    WTF? Are you tellin’ me that you take your JW battles OFF of here…and move ’em over to your own place–where you can operate by your own rules–and use it to rough-up JW’ers at your leisure–any way you want? I think that’s below the belt in general and an abuse of this site in particular. I sure as hell wouldn’t be advertising it…

    I’ve read your stuff for years; I’ve always thought you were the anti-bully, that you stood for what’s decent and right. Pulling folks off the JW street and into your back yard where you can call them out by their screen-names HERE and beat the shit out of ’em THERE is neither decent nor right. And, I don’t think it squares with your mission-statement, which I’ve always admired. Do you?

    Sorry, undaunted; I just thought you were a better man than this…

  54. says

    Champ wrote:

    Hey you decided to side with that unhinged character “undaunted”, so don’t give me your attitude now. Of course I’m upset with you. Wouldn’t you be?

    You and “unstable” are such buddies. Ok-fine.
    ……………………………….

    **Ouch**. Champ, I do consider you a friend. As I said, I never thought that you were making light of this massacre.

    And “OK”fine” was not meant to be dismissive at all. I just realized that things was getting heated, and that was never my intent. My terse comment in my last posting was intended to put this to bed and move on. Obviously, this did not have the desired effect.

    I consider a lot of Undaunted’s advice *very* useful”and this is true even for those who, like myself, do not go armed.

    I believe that having”as much as is possible”a plan of action for a Jihad attack is a very wise thing.

    I think his response to you was too harsh”as I noted initially”but I in no way regard him as “unhinged”.

    Also, I don’t believe there are “sides” here. You and Undaunted have very different styles, but I regard you both as staunch anti-Jihadists.

  55. says

    All of this much ado about nothing from the start.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Exactly, Tradewinds! …thank you for being the voice of reason here; yes, much too much was made of my comment. I was mocking myself by saying that I’m now afraid to shop at malls. How undaunted managed to take my comment personally blows my mind! ..and now he’s smearing me? My gawd!

  56. says

    I agree wholeheartedly. Let’s save the harsh words for the Muslim trolls that show up here and the “Rich’s of the world.

    Champ’s little comment about staying away from malls was innocent and did not warrant an attack, to any degree.

    “Stay away from Malls” is very good advice, especially in Muslim countries. I fail to see the vitriol that that spawned.

  57. says

    Graven, what do you think of undaunted’s smear campaign against me on his blog?! …you have stated nothing about that.

    You call me a friend, and yet you’re ignoring this major slight!

  58. says

    You and Undaunted have very different styles, but I regard you both as staunch anti-Jihadists.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    How can you defend him?! Have you read the awful things he wrote about me on his blog?!

    **OUCH** is right, now YOU have hurt me.

  59. says

    “I just realized that things was [were] getting heated…”

    undaunted is 100% at fault here.

    Champ then stands up for herself.

    Now it becomes a “situation” that is “heated” — this is exactly analogous to the pattern we see when our mainstream media thinks of the Israel-“Palestine” issue as a “cycle of violence” where both sides are at fault. Champ then gets (at best) partially blamed for the rancor which undaunted is 100% to blame for.

  60. says

    Graven, I meant what I stated: I love you and consider you a dear friend, but I really hope that you can *see* LemonLime’s point, and mine, too. LemonLime went out on a limb pointing out the truth of what transpired on this thread. His input shows careful forethought.

    Please take care, my dear friend.

  61. says

    Champ wrote:

    Graven, what do you think of undaunted’s smear campaign against me on his blog?! …you have stated nothing about that.

    You call me a friend, and yet you’re ignoring this major slight!
    ………………………….

    I hadn’t read Undaunted’s blog entry on the subject until now”in fact, I hadn’t intended to read it at all.

    I find the “Stepping on Toes” piece about you, LemonLime, and Dumbledore’s Army to be inappropriate, and indicative of the very infighting in the Counter Jihad movement that I find so destructive.

    In an actual Jihad attack, I can think of few people I would rather have watching my back than Undaunted. Still, he can be combative at times”and with his fellow Anti-jihadists as much as anyone.

    I’ve always felt that it is possible for us to disagree with each other respectfully”that was, in fact, what I had been trying to do here.

    Meanwhile, as we argue among ourselves, the Jihad horror in Kenya just keeps getting worse:

    “39 dead in Kenya mall jihad attack; hostages still held”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/09/39-dead-in-kenya-mall-jihad-attack-hostages-still-held.html

    Peace, Champ. Let’s get back to fighting the Jihad.

  62. says

    “Stay away from Malls” is very good advice, especially in Muslim countries. I fail to see the vitriol that that spawned.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thank you, Philip! …I felt completely blindsided by undaunted’s vicious attack on me here, and deeply hurt by the things he wrote about me on his blog. Who does that?!

  63. says

    Wich

    thanks for giving us the link to the Kenyan English-language paper, the ‘Daily Nation’. Looks as though I’d better bookmark it: as I have also, by now, bookmarked a couple of the Filipino and Thai papers, and the Nigerian papers, and Indian papers, for exactly the same reason.

    It’s always useful to have the ‘view from the ground’, as quite often they have stuff that the international newsfeeds *leave out*.

    thanks too for that other excerpt you posted above. What really got me was this line:

    “Most victims of the daring attack sustained gunshot and shrapnel wounds..”.

    What on earth was that journalist thinking when he used the word ‘daring’??

    I would have said, COWARDLY. Because heavily-armed men who fire point-blank upon unarmed women and little children are NOT ‘daring’.

    Instead of ‘daring attack’ the journalist should have written ‘frenzied attack’.

    Frankly, it would be best if not one of them was captured alive; though if any of them are, I would advise the Kenyan non-Muslim law enforcement and military to place a quiet phone-call to Israel and ask the Mossad and Shin Bet interrogators whether they’d like to do the interrogations. I think the Israelis would do a better job than the Americans or the British, right at the moment.

    (Calling in the Israelis is not such an outre idea: I understand there are Israeli-owned businesses in this mall; it would be interesting to know whether those were priority targeted; if so, the Israelis will definitely have a bone to pick).

  64. says

    The BBC changed the story today. Yesterday they reported the Nairobi mall shooting as a “robbery” attempt. Bad journalism, misinformation, or just plain stupid reporting. But you can’t hide facts from the truth, so they changed the story to save their fumble. Interesting overwrite next day.

  65. says

    You’re welcome. Just forget it though, and continue on, as if it never occurred…it’s not worth the heartache, Dear.

    Wong

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thank you, Philip …and you’re right, in thinking it over, I actually feel sorry for this guy.

    Take care, my dear friend! :)

  66. says

    Philip, I really *like* you!

    You’re a good man with heart, and you’re especially passionate about the truth. I’ve thought this about you for a while, so I wanted to take this opportunity to share this with you. And you’re a good friend, too.

    Hope this blesses your heart, as much as you’ve blessed me!

    Take care,
    Champski :)

  67. says

    Yes, thank you, LemonLime! I love Gravenimage and consider her a dear friend, but I must be honest by stating that I was very hurt and disappointed in her, as well–and for the very reasons that you pointed out. She did mention that undaunted was hard on me, but that was eclipsed by the fact that she chose to address ME and chide ME, and not undaunted directly. He even thanked her, which demonstrates that he thought she was siding with him.

    This thread never should have ended up where it is, but I’m not about to let undaunted get away with his nasty shenanigans.

    Again–thank you so much for pointing these things out here.

    Take care, my dear friend!

  68. says

    undaunted is 100% at fault here.

    Champ then stands up for herself.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thank you, LemonLime!

    You are so right, and very brave for pointing out the obvious. I think some posters are simply afraid of nasty undaunted, but I am certainly am NOT. Nor are you.

  69. says

    P.S.: And I recall gravenimage saying more than once that the behavior of bullying is especially an important issue for her; yet she was egregiously remiss when it came to the protracted outrageous bullying Rich leveled against multiple JWers; and now == and in that previous JW thread — she’s being unconscionably and strangely myopic to a major bully, undaunted, who acts out in classic bully fashion. One wonders if gravenimage’s concern about bullies doesn’t have a bit of stockholm syndrome in it that leads her to go into denial mode whenever it actually rears its ugly head; with a tendency to try to “smooth things over” much as a child who grows up in an abusive family situation wants his mother and father to get along at all cost and tends to deny where the actual blame lies (with one or the other parent) — thereby only, as the therapists remind us, co-dependently enabling the problem. It’s akin to the “people pleasing” tendency of many survivors of abusive dysfunctional families: it becomes more important to please everybody and try to maintain harmony and decorum, than it is to stand up for yourself and call out a bully for what he’s saying and doing. The latter will, indeed, temporarily cause the boat to rock and feathers to flutter: but it’s the right thing to do, and the blame is wholly on the shoulders of the bully, not on the people who decide to stop burying their heads in the sand and stand up for themselves. In this regard too, I’ve noticed gravenimage frequently (as she does in that older JW thread where undaunted became unhinged) lapses into a mode of pleading with everyone to “get along”, as though the problem is just one of a general, amorphous disharmony rather than a specific fault located in one person. Her tendency to do this then tends to apportion blame out to the very victims of the bully — a result that is highly ironic, given her concern about bullies; but a result that is not uncommon when it comes to human nature and psychology and the paradoxes it often generates.

  70. says

    Again–thank you, LemonLime! I am not the one that should have been placed under the microscope here.

    And I too noticed a similar pattern from Graven of ‘lets be nice’ to even the bullies that was initially shown to nasty rich, which is NOW being shown to undaunted. Unbelievable!

  71. says

    You’re very welcome, Champ. Always glad to lend a hand not only to a friend, but to someone clearly in the right!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Well, thank you so much, LemonLime …

    I am humbled by your *bravery* for stating the things to Graven that I was only thinking–but sadly, I was too afraid to mention to her for fear that she might get upset with me.

  72. says

    How can you call Kenya another “failed state?” Was the Boston bombing a result of USA being a failed state?

    To my knowledge of Africa, I know only of Somalia being a failed state and that’s why you see Somalis everywhere in the Western world where they wonder like untamed beasts…most of them living on benefits and handouts.

  73. says

    All of Africa is a catastrophic and unending failure; only relieved for a brief window of historical time by the help of Western Colonialism. And, of course, like the demonic jackals they are, Muslims have only preyed upon the endemic instabilities of African cultures and plunged them down into a deeper darker welter and morass of mayhem and misery.

  74. says

    I believe that Undaunted has a lot to offer here”his “How to Survive a Mall Attack” is part of that.

    But no”that does not mean that I condone his mean-spirited sniping at other Anti-Jihadists”something I have said before. This is ugly and counter-productive.

    I *don’t* believe that people should attempt to get along at any cost”if I believed that, I’d be counseling dhimmitude.

    But there are quite a few Anti-Jihadists who are prickly people who nonetheless have something important to offer the Counter-Jihad.

    I’m sorry that Champ took my discussion with her as some sort of attack”it certainly was not intended as such.

    Moving on, here is the update on this story, from the link to the Kenyan paper the Daily News provided by Wich:

    LIVE UPDATES: DEATH TOLL AT 68

    NTV Kenya Livestream
    Westgate Mall toll: 68 killed, 175 hospitalised, more than 1,000 rescued

  75. says

    My question was rhetorical, not a trolling line.

    But anyway, …ha, ha….you’ve got a point to an extent.

    But stand by, Wich, we Americans still have three more years of our own suspect half-Kenyan Obama unless he’s convicted during an Impeachment process.

    Obama’s socialism and Third World outlook on most things in general bode nothing but ill for the U.S.A.

    Our Democrat controlled Senate is in his pocket and will prevent the Impeachment process from even starting.

    Moreover, although we’re infected with Muslim mosques in Northern Virginia [not as much publicity as Dearborn in Michigan, for now…] we’re not as yet as covered as Africa. So, the comparison is not at all close.

    Besides, if the NYPD [Bless! “Em!] are ever mindful and on the alert, that’s more than what seems to’ve been the case in Nigeria at that particular Mall.

  76. says

    Battle of Tours wrote:

    The BBC changed the story today. Yesterday they reported the Nairobi mall shooting as a “robbery” attempt. Bad journalism, misinformation, or just plain stupid reporting. But you can’t hide facts from the truth, so they changed the story to save their fumble. Interesting overwrite next day.
    …………………………………….

    It doesn’t surprise me that the BBC changed the story, Bot.

  77. says

    Champ never said that gravenimage “attacked” her; only that she was effectively aiding and abetting — enabling — the unacceptable bullying undaunted is indulging in. And she’s still doing it.

  78. says

    Pulling folks off the JW street and into your back yard where you can call them out by their screen-names HERE and beat the shit out of ’em THERE is neither decent nor right.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thank you for pointing that out, George! …yeah and that’s exactly how I feel, too; like he punched me in the gut. Who does that? It helps knowing that you, Davegreybeard, Tradewinds and LemonLime understand the magnitude of what undaunted has done here.

  79. says

    Not only crishtians and jews,we Hindus belong in India has been suffering a lot for Muslims terrorists.Islam is not a religion but an ideolgy.Quran clearly states that kill all unbelivers,terroists are performing the same only.Beware friends! Stop politics,we all will be wiped out if we not prevent this brutal ideology.
    Thanking all
    Rhythm

  80. says

    “…so I wanted to take this opportunity to share this with you. And you’re a good friend, too.”

    Why thank you. I consider you a good friend, as well.

    Take Care.

    I Remain Faithfully Yours,

    DMD

  81. says

    Champ, a GRANDMOTHER for Christ’s sake and I mean that quite literally. Normally she is as sweet as she can be – except when she is confronted by a jerk. All she wants is for you to “stop being mean” – is this not possible for you? She has NO BUSINESS carrying a gun, or thinking about how to physically overpower a terrorist – that’s YOUR JOB, Rambo!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thank you, Davegreybeard! …you are awesome, my dear friend! :)

    And thank you for standing up for LemonLime and Dumbledoresarmy, as well. They are both awesome contributors on Jihad Watch and do not deserve undaunted’s vicious treatment–he really has gone too far.

  82. says

    ps …

    “She has NO BUSINESS carrying a gun, or thinking about how to physically overpower a terrorist” …

    Yes; I was simply using more of a common sense approach to surviving a mall attack.

  83. says

    Champ never said that gravenimage “attacked” her; only that she was effectively aiding and abetting — enabling — the unacceptable bullying undaunted is indulging in. And she’s still doing it.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Precisely, LemonLime! …good catch.