Turkish military “˜trying to provoke an incident” with Israelis in Mediterranean

As Turkey rapidly re-Islamizes, it appears to be trying to create the justification for a new jihad offensive against Israel.

“Turkish military “˜trying to provoke an incident” with Israelis in Mediterranean,” from the World Tribune, October 31:

TEL AVIV “” Turkey has been challenging Israel’s military throughout the Mediterranean.

Military sources said Turkey has used its Navy and Air Force to disrupt Israeli operations around the Mediterranean. They said the Turkish Air Force and Navy harassed Israeli warplanes during patrols and exercises over the last six months.

“They are trying to provoke an incident with us that could have strategic repercussions,” a source said.

The sources said the Turkish military was ordered by Prime Minister Recep Erdogan to disrupt Israeli operation near waters or air space claimed by Ankara, including those around the Republic of Cyprus. They said this has hampered recent exercises in the eastern Mediterranean with Greece, including one that took place earlier this month.

“The Turks view us as they do the Greeks, which means that the Turkish military flexes its muscles at every opportunity it gets,” the source said. “In the air, Turkish warplanes are playing a game of chicken with our forces.”

The sources said Ankara has been dismayed by Israel’s growing military cooperation with Greece. They said the Israeli cooperation, which included military exercises, training and arms projects, replaced Turkey with Greece as a leading defense partner of the Jewish state. In November, Israel plans to host three NATO members in the largest international exercise in the country.

“Erdogan thought that Turkey could isolate Israel militarily, particularly in NATO, when the opposite has taken place,” another source said. “Israel has more military exchanges than ever with individual NATO members while Ankara has been marginalized.”…

Hope that keeps up.

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Comments

  1. says

    … perhaps do what Greece did when turk fighter jets violated her sovereign airspace, shoot them down. Greece 1 – turkey 0. Even the syrians knows what to do when turk jets violate her airspace … shoot it down. syria 1 – turkey 0.

  2. says

    Ummmm…..

    Turkey has the third-largest air force in NATO.. and it’s all reasonably modern stuff. (F16’s, F15’s etc.. plus they are bidding for F35’s).

    Thanks to Attaturk’s secular education policy, Turkey is unique in the “muslim” world in having the skills to build these aircraft itself, under license. (obviously, the ability to build and maintain these aircraft – along with their missiles, electronics etc) will begin to decline as Turkey increasingly Islamises. Nevertheless, they are no pushovers in the ‘here and now’.

    With 240 F16’s, along with airborne refuelling, and fairly modern AWAC’s capability, the Turks could easily push the USA out of the eastern Mediterranean and sink the Sixth Fleet if they put their minds to it, let alone suppress the Israeli navy and the IAF.

    So lets not get TOO bloodthirsty from the comfort of our armchairs here.

    Currently, all that Turkey is doing is being aggressive in defending their (perceived) airspace. Israel does no less.

  3. says

    Sounds like a plan to me.

    I hope Israel takes a “Shoot first, ask questions later” approach for any aggressors.

    Time to stop F&%king around with the muslim clowns!!!

  4. says

    Roof Gardener wrote:

    Currently, all that Turkey is doing is being aggressive in defending their (perceived) airspace. Israel does no less.
    ………………….

    If only, Roof Gardener.

    Instead, Turkey is not just saber rattling, but sent the Jihad flotilla to Gaza. Ugly stuff”and it just appears to be getting worse as Turkey further Islamizes.

  5. says

    turkey does indeed have a large f16 fleet, but does not possess all the technical know how to build all necessary components, specifically complicated parts such as engines (ge-f110), avionics and weapon systems (AAM, 20mm vulcan cannon, etc). All turkish industries could do is build the airframe plus a few bits and pieces. turkey possess no heavy air superiority fighter like f15. F15 is in many ways better than f16 for air to air combat (better radar, more AAM weapon stations).

    In any clash with IAF, TAF will be outmatch. IAF has similar size, but more modern combat air-fleet than TAF. IAF has combat experience staff commanders (from previous/recent wars). IAF pilots also have combat experience, albeit mostly against ground targets, but they have been drilled extensively in potential air to air operations against syrian, iranian and even egyptian airforces. TAF has not fought any major engagement in the jet era (invasion of Cyprus was a no contest), so battle experience is scarce amongst it pilots and commanders.

    overall, turkey’s armed force looks impressive on paper (it is suppose to be a check against Russia, Russia is probably not too impress), but is in actual fact untested against a true opponent. It fields large quantity of obsolescent equipment in its navy (OHP and MEKO frigates as primary surface combatants), army (a huge fleet of M60 and leopard 1 MBT, hawk and rapier SAM) and airforce (F-4 accounts for 40% of combat fleet). turkey is currently trying frantically to upgrade the equipment of its forces.

    As for sinking a US carrier battle group, that only happens in imaginary-land. TAF combat aircraft have not been equipped with anti-ship missiles (harpoon, exorcet, etc). It is going to be difficult to sink ships of a US CV battle group with free fall bombs (even if they are guided) since strike aircraft will have to get pretty close to their targets (10-15 nm) to deploy their weapons. At that range, they would have already been be cooked either by carrier CAP or SAM. turkey does not possess any coastal anti-ship missile, unlike iran. So only the turkish navy’s major surface combatants (maybe subs) have harpoon missiles (in a contest between a US CV battle group and the entire turkish navy, only the turkish navy will end up on the bottom of the ocean).

    As for turkey defending its airspace, well at this moment, it is aggressively occupying Cypriot airspace (Northern Cyprus). They only reason it is not occupying Greek Cypriot airspace is due in part to the presence of RAF akrotiri.

  6. says

    Corrections, TAF has upgraded (or in the process of upgrading) some f16 with harpoon ASM. In addition, turkey is developing/testing an indigenous subsonic cruise missile with antiship capability. These weapon system pose a real threat to US carrier group and can damage, but not sink the carrier group.