Boston Globe: Muslims at jihad terror-tied Islamic Society of Boston “reassured” after Boston Marathon jihad massacre

Above is a video of the “moderate” Imam Suhaib Webb of the Islamic Society of Boston dismissing secularism as a “radical lunatic ideology,” which means that he is dismissing the idea that the government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed, and embracing the idea that the law of Allah constitutes the only legitimate constitution and government. Hardly “moderate.” But you will never read about that in the Boston Globe. On the contrary, the hopelessly clueless and compromised Boston Globe “reporter” Lisa Wangsness wrote an egregious puff piece on him in May 2013, right after the Boston Marathon jihad murders perpetrated by two members of the Islamic Society of Boston. Wangsness is such a paragon of journalistic integrity that in January 2013, when I was scheduled to speak at a conference in the Roman Catholic diocese of Worcester, Massachusetts, she actually exhorted people to call the diocese and ask that my talk be canceled. For that she should have been fired, but advocacy journalism in the cause of obscuring the truth about jihad terror is just fine with the Boston Globe.

And now she greets the first anniversary of the jihad massacre in Boston with this grotesque piece explaining how Muslims in the Boston area were “reassured” after the massacre, as if Muslims had been its victims. She has not written, of course, any piece about how non-Muslims in the Boston area were reassured after the massacre that none of her wonderful “moderate” friends at the Islamic Society of Boston would be involved in any more jihad terror mass murders. No, that simply wouldn’t have been proper. In the mainstream media, Muslims are always the victims, even when they’re the perpetrators.

And as for the Islamic Society of Boston itself, Wangsness airily refers to “a media barrage that turned ugly when USA Today and Fox News suggested the mosque was cultivating extremism.” She does not see fit to tell her hapless readers that the Islamic Society of Boston was founded by al-Qaeda financier Abrurrahman Alamoudi and had the Hitler-admiring Jew-hater Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi on its Board. It has recommended (in accord with Qur’an 4:34) that men beat their wives. Convicted jihadis Tarek Mehanna and Aafia Siddiqui went there. But not to worry: after the Boston Marathon jihad mass murder, the members of the Islamic Society of Boston were “reassured”!

“Inclusive spirit reassures Muslims after bombings,” by Lisa Wangsness, Boston Globe, April 17 (thanks to Dave):

Sept. 11, 2001, ruptured 13-year-old Hamza Syed’s world. Being Muslim instantly became the only part of his identity that seemed to matter; kids at his school in Lynn besieged him with questions he could not answer. He had immigrated to the United States from Pakistan at age 3, but he no longer felt allowed to call himself American.

A year ago, after the Boston Marathon bombings, Syed braced himself for another anti-Muslim backlash. It never happened.

“I grew up being an outsider, feeling like an outsider, and there wasn’t any moment really after the Boston Marathon where I had that feeling of being an outsider again,” he said. “I grieved with everyone. . . . I could understand their feelings, and they could understand mine, without there being an asterisk next to it.”

On Monday, Syed expects to run the Boston Marathon for the first time, an act he sees as an expression of his love for his resilient city and for its embrace of diversity.

“That is what the Boston Marathon this year is really going to be about,” he said. “I want to say that I was there, that I took part in it.”

To be sure, there were isolated displays of Islamophobia in the aftermath of the Marathon bombings. A woman wearing a hijab was assaulted on a street in Malden. Strangers sent hateful e-mails to Boston’s mosques. Some Muslims feared being questioned by law enforcement or seethed over a tabloid’s portrayal of two innocent Massachusetts men as possibly connected to the bombings.

But the broader tableau showed a city that has become more welcoming of Muslims in the years since the 2001 attacks, many local Muslims said. The scale of the two tragedies was very different, but many Muslims said improved interfaith cooperation and increasingly diverse schools and workplaces contributed to a change in tone. It also seemed, they said, that their non-Muslim neighbors had grown more knowledgeable and less fearful in a dozen years of discussing terrorism, war, national security, and religious liberty in the public square.

“Now, when an act of terror occurs, people can see it for what it is: someone exploiting religion, someone with serious issues,” said Jalon Fowler, a 38-year-old Muslim who ran in last year’s Marathon and will compete again this year.

After the Marathon bombings, many Muslims said they felt reassured by gestures of support and concern from friends and coworkers, from local politicians and clergy of other faiths. Bostonians, they said, seemed to understand that most Muslims were as horrified at the violence on Boylston Street as everyone else was.

“There is never a silver lining to mass murder, or attempted mass murder,” said Imam William Suhaib Webb, spiritual leader of the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center in Roxbury, the city’s largest mosque. “But what we learned is, this is a really great city with incredibly sincere people.

“It was like, we’re together, we all anguish about what happened, and we are going to try to speak to the problem together.”

Mosque fears eased

Greater Boston’s two most prominent mosques were inundated with press calls and television cameras after the bombings, especially the Islamic Society of Boston in Cambridge, where suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev occasionally worshipped.

Ismail Fenni, acting imam of the Cambridge mosque, tried to field reporters’ questions and to respond to the stunned congregation, few of whom had known the Tsarnaevs.

In eleven-plus years of Jihad Watch, I’ve never come across a story where leaders of a mosque said about an Islamic jihadist, “Yes, we knew him well, he used to come here all the time.” Instead, no one at the mosque ever knew the guy or laid eyes on him. In reality, you may recall that not long after the Boston Marathon jihad bombings, much was made of the fact that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been thrown out of his mosque. That story was widely reported in a way that gave the impression that Tsarnaev had been expelled for his “extremism,” when in fact he just had a dispute with an imam, was thrown out once, and came right back not long afterward. But no one when that story was reported said, “We didn’t even know this guy, he hardly ever came here.” On the contrary, “the Islamic Society issued a statement to say that while the suspects were known to other worshipers, they could not have predicted their horrific bombing of the Boston marathon.” They saved the claim that few there knew the Tsarnaevs for the ever-credulous Lisa Wangsness.

We were worried the name and the reputation of the mosque would be stained,” Fenni said in a recent interview.

“What we learned is, this is a really great city with incredibly sincere people,” said Imam William Suhaib Webb, of the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center.

Those fears eased as neighbors lent support in calls and e-mails. A couple of weeks after the tragedy, the mayor of Cambridge and other officials led a peace walk from City Hall to the mosque.

The Roxbury mosque was also caught up in a media barrage that turned ugly when USA Today and Fox News suggested the mosque was cultivating extremism.

But, here too, the community offered a balm: Neighbors sent notes. Felix G. Arroyo, then councilor at large, spoke at the mosque’s vigil for bombing victims. Messages of support from Jewish and Christian clergy poured in….

Yes, yes, but what if…what if the mosque is really “cultivating extremism”? That is a question that is beneath the notice of enlightened “journalists” such as Lisa Wangsness. Go back to sleep.

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  1. mortimer says

    The U.S. constitution is radically secular with its separation of church and state.

    Mullah Webb says, “secularism is a radical lunatic ideology”.

    He has said he rejects the American constitution. He is an un-American traitor.

    Webb should leave the United States.

    • mortimer says

      Muslims who reject the separation of church and state (as they must to be an American) are ‘outsiders’.

      • says

        While I advocate deportation of Muslims, I don’t base that on their rejection of separation of church and state. I don’t even base it on their mere ideological belief in sedition. I base it on their tangibly demonstrable connection to terror attacks and terror plots in a matrix of an overall war against us that is escalating metastatically.

      • Wellington says

        What you asserted, WVinMN, about the First Amendment is correct if one takes an “original intent” or strict constructionist view of the Constitution. In contrast to this approach is the “living, breathing Constitution” approach or view. Conservatives favor the former and liberals the latter. Being a conservative myself, I am very partial to the strict constructionist viewpoint though it is important that a person understand both viewpoints.

        There is an additional matter where the First Amendment is concerned. This is the incorporation doctrine whereby large parts (but to date not all) of the Bill of Rights (considered at least the first eight Amendments and often times the Ninth and Tenth Amendmensts as well) have been made applicable to state and local government as well as to the federal government. Until 1897 the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government, but beginning in that year with a railraod case and really picking up in 1925 with the Gitlow case, the Supreme Court made more and more of the Bill of Rights incumbent upon all levels of government. The entire First Amendment has been “incorporated” and so anything about religion that the Supreme Courts says applies to the federal government now also applies to lower levels of government.

      • mortimer says

        Huh? Thomas Jefferson is a leftist?

        Jefferson writes: “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people (the Bill of Rights) which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a WALL OF SEPARATION between Church and State.”

        If Jefferson were alive today, he would not be a leftist nor use their language.

        • Wellington says

          I agree with you, mortimer, about Thomas Jefferson. He was a classical liberal (in the modern era the closest to this is a true conservative like Ronald Reagan) and not a “leftist.” Modern leftism is something very different from classical liberalism. Beginning shortly after Jefferson’s death in 1826, liberalism began to be hijacked by socialistic sentiments, for instance Blanc’s or, even worse, Marx’s rot.

          Modern leftism and classical liberalism actually have little in common, even though modern leftists would like to think, and often do claim, otherwise. A good example of the true difference between modern leftists and classical liberals is that the former wants more and more government while the latter insisted, as Jefferson did, that government is best which governs least.

          Classical liberalism also really did prize liberty. By contrast, modern leftism, while pretending to want freedom, actually insists upon conformity along “accepted” lines of thinking—–or else. Political correctness and multiculturalism (pc/mc) is entirely an invention of modern leftism and only true conservatives, i.e., Jeffersonian liberals, have resisted this kind of faux freedom, this kind of totalitarianism posing under the guise of liberty. Unfortunately, many claiming today to be conservatives aren’t really such, and to the extent that they accept pc/mc nonsense it is demonstrative of how even modern conservatism has been corrupted by modern leftism.

    • says

      A federal judge said today that Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev may be able to get visits from his family in prison without being monitored by an FBI agent.

      Perhaps this federal judge needs a reminder that the whole Tsarnaev clan aided and abetted the terrorist.

  2. DVult says

    So if you convert to islam then the media, police and local politicians will kiss your ass and shower you with money. If he was a protestant minister or catholic priest and said the same thing they would shower him with ridicule, call for his dismissal and possibly lock him up. BTW, go into any mosque for a while and you will be shocked at the amount of falsehoods and insults that you will hear about Christians and Jews.

    • Brian Hoff says

      In all of my year since I became than muslim in 2002 I never hear than bad word or insult about either Jew or Christian.

      • Jay Boo says

        @Brian Hoff
        There must have been a product recall on defective Islam and you got to hear the patched up version.

        No doubt that repaired version has the correct wording that Muslims must pay the jizya tax to all non-Muslims as due compensation AKA the Restitution verse.

      • Huck Folder says

        Since I called him Brian Cnut Hoff, he’s dropped the C. from his name. But he’s still the same ignorant incestuously conceived bastard.

        What’s your native language Fcuk Hoff?

      • Champ says

        In all of my year since I became than muslim in 2002 I never hear than bad word or insult about either Jew or Christian.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Sure! What, are you living under a rock? Guess so …

      • Cedric the Emancipator says

        Why did you become a muslim? Got something against foreskins? And in 2002, no less….Did you like the way those 19 fine fellows from 911 slit throats and flew planes into buildings? Does “Allahu Ackbar” sound like some kind of mating call to you? Why not just check yourself into rehab?

      • Rick Badgley says

        Muslims are in the U.S. for one reason and one only, to promote Islam! which is fine ,most faiths do this , some more aggressive than others. The Muslims I’ve met have all seemed polite and peaceful. What I see as a problem is they’re lack of tolerance towards other Religions. I’ve checked out the Qur’an and countless times ,especially chapter 9, it states there is no other religion than Islam and no other God than Allah then specifies various ways to punish “Infidels”from beheading to various ways to stoning them to death. In the Mosque on the Temple Mount on the rim below the done it outright states “death to all Christians” in other words “Jihad”. It also requires that ALL Muslims must participate in “Jihad” if not physically , then by monetary means. they all have blood on their hands and are all guilty of terrorism and promoting hate worldwide. Their treatment of women, children and the handicapped are despicable. There is no age limits on marriage and I have read of Muslims marrying girls as young as 9! Ever see a Muslim with Down syndrome ? Not likely under “Sharia law” they can put abnormal newborns to death. They hang Gays unless they are Jihad soldiers, then they’re promised “Infinite number of prepubescent boys with ample and firm bottoms” this is a quote out of a poem considered an Islam Holy book. So what we have here are women beating, bisexual statutory rapists, That kill whoever they want in the name of Allah or their honor. This country was founded on the premise of Freedom of Religion and the separation of Church and State. So Sharia Law should be outlawed, no questions asked. the Qu’ran and it’s condemnation of all things non-Islamic should be considered hate literature. I see no difference between Muslims and Neo-Nazis and should be treated as a hate organization! At the very least take away their Religious Non-Profit Status! Then see how much they have to spend on Jihad and their training compounds around America!

  3. says

    “We were worried the name and the reputation of the mosque would be stained,” Fenni said in a recent interview.

    I wonder why Muslim imams and scholars never worry about the name and reputation of their “prophet”, especially when we read hadiths like this one:

    “Narrated Ibn Abbas: I saw the Prophet (pbuh) putting Hussein’s thighs apart and kissing his (little) penis.”
    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

  4. pennant8 says

    Just for know’in, imam Suhaib Webb is a convert to Islam as is CAIR’s Ibrahim Hooper. In the video clip this homemade imam comes across as a hopeless dope. I guess his speech to CAIR is what passes for intellectual discussion of Islamic theology nowadays.

    • Champ says

      In the video clip this homemade imam comes across as a hopeless dope.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      I know …he comes across like a gansta’ from the hood talkin’ to his homies, Yo!

      • jihad3tracker says

        A reply to both RCCA and champ —

        To RCCA — I too have viewed several of his vids… Agreed, he is charismatic/knowledgeable, but remember that many psychopathic personalities also have those traits.

        Have no doubt that this “religious” person would behead any captive in his control who refuses to convert to Islam. In fact, he probably dreams of the day when he can do just such things….

        To champ — In the clip Bob Spencer puts up here, imam Webb is doing his best gansta/hood riff…

        Showing us clearly that however deeply he dives into Muhammad’s deceipt about peaceful conduct, young punks like Webb are essentially narcissists who have a grossly overblown opinion of themselves.

    • mariam rove says

      Converts to Islam are always more rabid that born and bred muslims. I have never been able to figure this one out. M

  5. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Don’t forget that the big mosque housing the Islamic Society of Boston was built with a big Infidel taxpayer subsidy that was illegal, but the pols were falling over themselves to get those Moslem votes. If Islam is so wonderful, why do they always have their hands out to mooch free money from us? And we got the Brothers Tsarnaev as thanks.

  6. duh_swami says

    Loving CAIR is a form of apostasy, only Allah should be loved. Allah is not going to be too happy when he hears of this.

  7. jihad3tracker says

    Let me also mention that imam Webb shares a personality trait with prominent Muslims like CAIR’s “Honest Ibe” Hooper and Corey Sailor, human sea-urchin Nathan Lean, and pussy whipped Reza Aslan.

    THAT TRAIT IS COWARDICE… Fear of engaging in one-to-one observable conversation with masters of truth about Islam — Pamela Geller, David Wood, Robert Spencer.

    THESE MACHO MUSLIMS HAVE NO TESTICLES UNDER THEIR GARMENTS…

    JUST AS OTHERS WHO WANT CONTROL AND POWER OVER PEOPLE…

    Go ahead, Imam Webb — get in touch with Geller / Webb / Spencer. Offer to appear for a debate… We are waiting.

  8. Champ ✿ says

    Whatever bogus *brand* of islam that Webb is sellin’ here, we ain’t buyin’, Yo!! Webb is such an idiot and I mean that sincerely.

  9. Henry says

    ” You look at post modernity, there is one religion that is absolutely equipped from the ground up to engage the speed of a technocratic world, the speed of a world that is demanding freedom, it is not the Islam of the 10th century, it is not the Islam of the 6th century, it is the dynamic, pluralist, empowering Islam of the prophet’s era.”

    Fine example of taqiyya and double speak from Imam Webb. Webb leaves you with the impression that Islam is uniquely ‘equipped’ to safely shepherd a fast moving world forward, and set free those who are oppressed, or enslaved, all this by Islam’s ‘dynamism, pluralism and empowerment’, which has of course never existed. Islam has been oppressive and stagnating for 1400 from its own self inflicted psychosis. Webb offers no hard evidence, facts or suggestions to back up how Islam, with its historic record of oppression, enslavement and backwardness can do this, except to say that the ‘Islam of the prophet’s era’ will do the trick. This is of course ludicrous and laughable. The ‘prophets era’ was 610 – 632 AD , the 7th century (there was no Islam in the 6th century), and pluralism never was then, or happened since. ‘Peaceful co-existence’ within an Islamic society means that minority groups do not have political, or economic power and are forced (those that managed to survive, or not be forced to convert) into dhimmitude.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Thanks for your spot-on remarks about this imams taqiyya and double speak.

      ( Let me add a third comment on Suhaib Webb’s “performance” of thug language & attitude culture. He probably thought that his inner city diatribe would not be seen outside of the CAIR treason festival. )

      VIOLENT GANGS & SEXUAL PREDATORS ARE INTENDING TO OVERTAKE EUROPE. Watching this video of him I see that IMAM WEBB’s “TARGET AUDIENCE” is Boston wannabee violent Muslims — young minorities who would just love to engage in terror.

      Here we go with yet another “educated fool” who reveals Muhammad’s pathology…

  10. Boston Tea Party says

    The Boston NPR station had a similar piece this week on Muslims in Boston pursuant to the marathon bombing (I’m sure it’s online). The whole piece was completely about the difficulties and successes Boston Muslims have had in being treated positively by non-Muslims in the wake of the bombing .

    Even when I try to step out of my knowledge of Islam and jihad, and put myself in the shoes of the average layman who has little interest and knowledge of the subject—it still seems to me that a responsible question on the part of ANY journalist to this Muslim community would be “Why is it that these young men drew violent inspiration from Islam, and what specifically are you doing to counter that? Do you have any outreach program to teach against violent interpretations of the Quran and jihad?” But no, that question was never, ever raised.

    For NPR and many other “news” sources, it honestly seems that the REALITY of the attack– that 3 people were murdered, many had limbs blown off and hundreds were injured–is a minor, inconsequential detail, and the theorized, hypothetical “intolerance” towards Muslims (which did not materialize, even by their own admission) is the REAL story.

    I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but can anyone imagine if this had been a bombing by a white supremacist group, that NPR would have done an in-depth, sympathetic interview with the members and proudly denounced any criticism directed towards them as “intolerance”?

    • jihad3tracker says

      Yes, BTP — I have the same reaction about NPR’s reporting.

      I am a lifelong Democrat who has seen the carved-in-stone bias of “public media” and pondered its source.

      Most likely that path comes from what is often called White privilege guilt — or a close variation thereof.

      Visit these superb counter-jihad websites for knowledge intensification —

      http://www.inquiryintoislam.com / http://www.citizenwarrior.com

    • Jay Boo says

      NPR is as deceitful as it is shameless.
      I missed that piece BTP, but I heard part of a similar piece today.

      The belated trial of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is finally approaching.
      Get ready for the MSM (Media Dump). It has already begun.
      NPR ran a story today exploring why the target of the public’s anger should be directed at the massive police presence and the curfew that cleared the streets of the Boston area after the attacks so they could better track the (Islamic terrorists) without the cover of traffic and people.

      Yes, that is right they were ISLAMIC terrorists and we do have permission to be angry at them in spite of the MSM’s attempts to convince us otherwise with a PC substitute.
      You can expect the MUSLIM leadership to run interference ad infinitum beginning with an insincere self-serving sort of apology to lead-in into a full on media barrage about the plight of poor misunderstood Muslims such as (Hmmm, who could it be) none other than Dzhokhar Tsarnaev surprise, surprise.
      Local politicians will praise Boston as a resilient city without actuality mentioning the twisted ideology that it needs to be resilient from lest the risk appearing to be against interfaith cooperation
      Get ready (it’s a coming)

  11. jewdog says

    Cambridge is the epicenter of liberal-left political correctness, multiculturalism and tiddlywinks. The Boston Globe is its ideological counterpart in the print media. No reporter for the Globe would have a job long should he or she in any way state, or even imply, that there is anything intrinsically violent or supremacist about Islam. Criticizing Islam is off limits according to their value system because they believe that all the bad in the world stems from Western racism .
    Islam may call for warfare to subjugate unbelievers; it may demand that gays, apostates and blasphemers be beheaded; it may mandate stoning for adulterers or rape victims; it may permit wife beating; Muslims may call for Israel to be nuked, burn churches and slaughter Christians while they exult; terrorists may blow up half the city, but Muslims will accept anyone who converts without regard to race, and Islam is not “Western”. Case closed. Next.

  12. Jay Boo says

    Unbelievable that a follower of the ‘Butcher Knife’ religion Imam Webb would say “Ruling by divine authority” in reference to Islam.

    He must have been watching too many re-runs of Homer Simpson to say something that preposterous. Come to think of it, without that beard???
    Do you think it could be …???

  13. Rick Badgley says

    Muslims are in the U.S. for one reason and one only, to promote Islam! which is fine ,most faiths do this , some more aggressive than others. The Muslims I’ve met have all seemed polite and peaceful. What I see as a problem is they’re lack of tolerance towards other Religions. I’ve checked out the Qur’an and countless times ,especially chapter 9, it states there is no other religion than Islam and no other God than Allah then specifies various ways to punish “Infidels”from beheading to various ways to stoning them to death. In the Mosque on the Temple Mount on the rim below the done it outright states “death to all Christians” in other words “Jihad”. It also requires that ALL Muslims must participate in “Jihad” if not physically , then by monetary means. they all have blood on their hands and are all guilty of terrorism and promoting hate worldwide. Their treatment of women, children and the handicapped are despicable. There is no age limits on marriage and I have read of Muslims marrying girls as young as 9! Ever see a Muslim with Down syndrome ? Not likely under “Sharia law” they can put abnormal newborns to death. They hang Gays unless they are Jihad soldiers, then they’re promised “Infinite number of prepubescent boys with ample and firm bottoms” this is a quote out of a poem considered an Islam Holy book. So what we have here are women beating, bisexual statutory rapists, That kill whoever they want in the name of Allah or their honor. This country was founded on the premise of Freedom of Religion and the separation of Church and State. So Sharia Law should be outlawed, no questions asked. the Qu’ran and it’s condemnation of all things non-Islamic should be considered hate literature. I see no difference between Muslims and Neo-Nazis and should be treated as a hate organization! At the very least take away their Religious Non-Profit Status! Then see how much they have to spend on Jihad and their training compounds around America!

  14. rabrooks says

    Another truth revealed! Of course we “infidels” were never given any reassuranc by the muzzy community. Our lives don’t matter to them! If one of us is killed, it’s like a skunk getting run over in the middle of the road. The only concern, on their part, is harming a muzzy while gaining that fast track to paradise! This is really how they feel/think about us!!! WAKE UP!!

  15. RCCA says

    Well, Webb is more intelligent than Joe Biden who thought the massacre was “worth it” as if there was some silver lining.

    In fact I’ve listened to quite a few of Imam Suhaib Webb’s lectures on line and he is quite charismatic and knowledgeable. He got into trouble for being “too Western” which is no doubt the reason he is kissing up to CAIR.

    There has to be some way to avoid castigating, or appear to be castigating our common Muslim neighbors who are peaceful while at the same time preventing them from being exploited as a cover or human shields by jihadists. The obvious solution would be to find some Muslim groups who are fighting for reform, but so far I have not seen the counter jihad movement do that.

  16. Jax Tolmen says

    Genuine reform is hard to find; what is commonly mistaken for reform is merely active denial of the facts contained within the Quran and Hadiths. They are not the same thing – active denial merely seeks to bury the issues and pretend they don’t exist – that is definitely not reform.
    For reform to happen, the Muslim community needs a public and global movement to actively deradicalise and modernise their religion – which is not likely to gain popular support. Most Muslims way wish for there to be such a discussion, but are fearful of the growing minority that would execute them as hypocrites and kuffar.
    I think.many of us, at least the less militant anti – jihadists (who are really just xenophobic anti-Muslims) , would applaud such a group as you have stated – however such groups, if they exist, don’t appear to have any political attraction and are thus clearly not part of a popular movement.
    If you can provide examples of such groups I’m sure Robert Spencer would be happy to know there are elements working within the Muslim community for genuine reform.