Tony Blair says West, Russia and China should fight “radicalized Islam,” predictable firestorm ensues

Tony BlairYears ago I was calling for a global alliance against the jihad threat, and a massive reconfiguration of our alliances, but it was as far away then as it is now from any realistic chance of realization; Tony Blair is the first major political figure to take it up. But now the response he is receiving is similar to the response I have received to my work: 13 books, hundreds of articles, and thousands of Jihad Watch posts alerting to the jihad threat and calling for a defense of Constitutional freedoms and shared principles of human rights, and the response has been that I’m shunned as an “Islamophobe,” “bigot” and worse. It isn’t personal; it’s a tactic that is used against everyone who speaks out against jihad terror. Blair is now being denounced for saying that the choice that the people of the Middle East have is between dictatorship and extremism” — and yet that is simply a fact, which is being presented as if it were some heinous thing that Blair has said. It is reminiscent of my having been banned from Britain for saying that Islam has a doctrine of violence against unbelievers: state unpleasant facts today, and the facts are not examined. Instead, they’re used to kill the messenger.

“Blair’s speech on Islamic extremism generates strong reactions,” by Julian Borger and Ian Black, The Guardian, April 23:

Tony Blair’s speech seeking to rally global support for a confrontation with Islamic extremism generated a storm of reaction, most of it negative and much of it focusing on the messenger rather than the message.

The director of the Council for Arab-British Understanding, Chris Doyle, said the former prime minister had been right to underline the importance of the subject in his Bloomberg speech but was sharply critical of the way he went about tackling it.

Doyle said: “Blair is largely right to highlight the issue. Islamic extremism is not on the wane. It is flourishing in many areas of the world. Nobody should be complacent.

“It is his solutions that are very problematic – particularly the idea that people in the Middle East have to choose between dictatorship and Islamic extremism, and in criticising the Muslim Brotherhood he has endorsed the military leadership in Egypt. But the choice the people of the region need is not between dictatorship and extremism but between those systems and pluralist democratic rule. In fact, dictatorships have often been a significant cause of frustration and anger, and a driving force behind the rise of al-Qaida.”

Blair found support for his position from a former foreign office minister, Denis MacShane, who said he had warned about the threat of Islamism in 2003 and was nearly sacked for his stand. He compared Wednesday’s speech to Winston Churchill’s famous 1946 warning about the descent of the iron curtain.

MacShane tweeted: “Just read Blair speech. Ignore headlines. This is Fulton Mark 2. Bien pensant left then refused to challenge Stalinism. Orwell knew better.”

Others complained that the speech conflated different strands in political Islam. The Palestinian editor of the Rai al-Youm news website, Abdel Bari Atwan, said: “Blair is implying that extremist Islam is a danger for the whole world. But the target is the Muslim Brotherhood. He is a very good friend of Mr Sisi in Egypt and he does a lot of consultancy work in the region so it’s not surprising that he’s speaking out. He had spent years as peace envoy but what kind of peace has he achieved? We have to differentiate between radical Islam and moderate Islam. If you criminalise Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood then you are pushing them into extremism.”

Much of the commentary focused on Blair’s own credibility on the subject as much as the subject itself, particularly his role in leading Britain into the war in Iraq alongside the former US president George W Bush.

Doyle said: “Before 2003, there wasn’t an issue of al-Qaida in Iraq. There is now. Intervention is highly risky and almost always leads to situations where extremists flourish. They profit from instability, civil war and the inability of states to manage their territories.”

A columnist for the Saudi-owned al-Hayat daily, Jihad al-Khazen, said: “Blair and George W Bush are as responsible for radical Islam as any of its leaders. The war in Iraq caused the death of almost a million Muslims. It gave a reason for every radical in the Middle East to go to war against the west.

“I don’t think Blair will absolve himself of responsibility by making this speech. He talks about how the Middle East matters but he says nothing about Israel‘s continuing occupation. He is definitely not the right person to be lecturing on this subject – or to be a peace envoy. That’s an oxymoron.”

Daniel Seidemann, an Israeli lawyer and expert on Jerusalem, where Blair spends some of his year as envoy for the Quartet (the UN, EU, US and Russia), also noted the absence of any mention of the occupation of Palestinian territories, settlements and the prospect of a Palestinian state.

Meanwhile, a columnist on the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Anshel Pfeffer, tweeted: “The fascinating thing about Blair’s speech today is that it could have been a Netanyahu speech, word-for-word, they share the same outlook.”

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  1. mileaway says

    NO Mr. Blair, We should NOT fight Radicalized Islam; the “Moderate” Muslims should fight “Radicalized” Muslims!
    I’m rather tired of cleaning up blood spread by the Islamic Community while politicians give excuses for the Muslims.
    ALL Muslims know who are the raidcals and who isn’t.
    They ALL go to the same mosques.
    They ALL shared the same hate sermons.
    They ALL share the same training facilities.
    They all contribute money, support and secracy to the Terrorists jihad.
    No, if you want to take “REAL” affirmative action against Islamic terrorism, kick them ALL out of your country.
    Send them to an Islamic country where they can worship their Pagan God and continue killing each other as they have for over a millenium.
    The West, Russia and China don’t need Muslims or Islam, at all!

      • defcon 5 says

        @richard Sherman

        I had thought Muhammad had others do the actual decapitations
        on his orders while he watched?

        • says

          No…Muhammad personally DECAPITATED the unarmed men of the Banu Quarayza tribe..There is some debate about how many UNARMED JEWS he PERSONALLY DECAPITATED: 600…700..800…900…Once a sociopath, always a sociopath.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Thank you, mileaway, for a rational solution — MUSLIMS FIGHTING ON THE FRONT LINES in a figure of speech….

      Let me take this space here to earnestly ask ALL blog readers here to please please make it a point to watch old-style broadcast network “world evening news” (CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX) if they can get it.

      Then report back here, telling us which of those 4 networks gave even a minute’s coverage to Blair, and what the spin was, or if it was neutral.

      • Stan says

        For me, since all Muslims read the same book. Then, their book should be reviewed. And let’s see how lawful and human for lives to be wasted in a bid to please an idol.

        Secondly, their spiritual leaders should be tracked in their underground bunkers where they are being trained as Shahabahs and Fatawahs; for the Holy wars you hear always come out from the lips of their “Holy Ones”.

    • PRCS says

      All that given–a correction:

      ALL Muslims know that their most devout brethren are neither “radicals” nor “extremists”, and that they are not the practicioners of “radical” Islam; for there is no such thing.

      As they all read the same “version” of Qur’an; for there is only one version; amputations and all.

      Ugly, violent Islam.

    • mortimer says

      Blair’s words are well-chosen. The people of Arab countries ONLY have a choice between DICTATORS and EXTREMISTS (such as Muslim Brotherhood).

      Pluralism is NOT POSSIBLE where Islamism is considered a political party permanently above other parties. In such an environment, secularism is considered blasphemy and punishable by death.

      Blair is one of the few world leaders who gets this.

      • sybarite123 says

        Yes, ‘Democracy’ in any Western sense is ‘haram’ to Islam. Freedom of speech, Freedom of religion and Equality before the law of all citizens is a product of the West and its Judeo-Christian heritage. These freedoms are anathema to Islam. Therefore no Islamic country, including Egypt, will tolerate a democracy which is built upon these Freedoms and Rights. Blair is right, either an Islamic Dictatorship or an Extremist Regime.

        • defcon 5 says

          @sybarite123

          All we have to do is look at any pisslamic state in the here
          and now to confirm your words — incl. those pisslamic
          states that call themselves “republics”.

      • Sekigahara says

        It is a pity Blair and his erstwhile cohorts did not “get it” before opening the floodgates of uncontrolled Muslim immigration into the UK.

  2. Charli Main says

    Has this leopard changed his spots????
    Tony Blair and his Government of the day were responsible for the uncontrolled, mass immigration into Britain of around 3 million Muslims from all over Africa and Asia.
    Tony Blair signed Britain up to the ” Human Rights” act ,which his wife used to make millions of pounds, defending bogus Muslim “asylum seekers”.
    Tony Blair is the man that has promised to do everything he can to get Muslim Albania into the European Union.
    Perhaps, Mr Blair´s Muslim masters have missed a pay cheque????

    • says

      @ Charli Main

      Exactly Charli. Is this the same Tony Blair who allowed UK border controls to vanish into thin air? How many radical hate-preachers and potential terrorists entered the country during his period in office? Answer: nobody knows, least of all the politically-correct fools in the (New) Labour Party. The current Conservative / Lib-Dem Coalition is just as bad. To hear Tony Blair prattle on about Islamic extremism this late in the day is beyond a joke.

  3. says

    There is an even simpler method of waging war against islamic jihad that doesn’t imvolve military action. Every western country should recall all of its citizens that are living and working in middle-eastern countries. Then it will be just a matter of months before the entire region collapses into a premordial state of nothingness.

    • Reality Check says

      Ah, I’ve been saying that for a long, long, REALLY LONG time. Without the foreigners working in the Islamic world, the entire region will turn into a desert again. The Moozies simply don’t know how to work. Heck, they don’t even know how to wipe their asses without someone from another country cleaning after them!

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      And not only Western countries, but also countries such as India, Sri Lanka and the Philippines.

    • KevijnR says

      Even easier
      You simply broadcast the truth about Mohammad the warlord, show inconsistencies in the koran, explain the bloodthirsty history of Islam and show no deference towards this cancer. Chances are that doubt about the certitudes of Islam and lack of confidence in the Islamic world would be a far more effective weapon than anything used so far

      • defcon 5 says

        How are you going to go about broadcasting this truth into islamic states?
        Do you think freedom of the press or freedom of expression or freedom of speech are recognized in any islam0fascist state? What you’re proposing would seem to be a crime in some non-islamic states today (UK, Sweden are two that come to mind).

      • gravenimage says

        KevijnR, I’m afraid all too many Muslims already know the truth about Islam.

        If they did not, they would not be waging violent Jihad and trying to impose brutal Shari’ah in its name.

        I believe it is because *we* would be horrified if we were to find out our faiths were malevolent that we project this onto Muslims—but many of them are proud of how vicious “the Prophet” was, and seek to emulate him.

  4. Liam1304 says

    QUOTE
    Doyle said: “Blair is largely right to highlight the issue. Islamic extremism is not on the wane. It is flourishing in many areas of the world. Nobody should be complacent. “It is his solutions that are very problematic…
    End Quote

    Reminiscent of William Bullitt’s report on the Soviet Union and FDR’s response to it “It’s not your facts that are wrong – they are beyond question – it’s your conclusions” (or words to that effect).

    So the Terror Famine, purges, massacres, show trials and totalitarian rapaciousness continued not only unopposed by the West, but often aided – heck, Moscow got all the land that it initially agreed with the Nazis in the Stalin/Hitler Pact by war’s end thanks to the West.

    We can breed out weaknesses in dogs but we can’t breed out stupid in people.

  5. Champ says

    islam is an evil scourge on humanity and brings nothing but hell on earth …and I look forward to the day when all things evil are done away with. And yes, that day IS coming. Mark my words. Until then we must fight the good fight–at every turn; hate what is evil and cling to what is good …

    “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

  6. Angemon says

    Years ago I was calling for a global alliance against the jihad threat, and a massive reconfiguration of our alliances, but it was as far away then as it is now from any realistic chance of realization; Tony Blair is the first major political figure to take it up

    And he did so only 7 years after his 10 years serving as the british PM, in which he helped to fill the UK with muslim migrants. Can’t tell if he’s speaking his mind because he no longer needs to care about votes or if he’s trying to capitalize into the anti-jihadi movement voter pool for his comeback.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      You said, “Can’t tell if he’s speaking his mind because he no longer needs to care about votes **or if he’s trying to capitalize into the anti-jihadi movement voter pool for his comeback** [my emphasis].”

      The possibility that I just emphasised is something that just flitted across my mind, also. Because the man’s a politician. And maybe he senses, at some level, which way the wind is blowing. And, therefore, like the famous “Vicar of Bray” in the old song, he’s trimming his sails to suit the wind. If *that’s* the case, it’s very interesting, because it suggests that the groundswell of British – and pan-European – and general-Western-and-beyond-Western non-Muslim dissatisfaction with Islam and Muslims is beginning to be seen as something that *might* just possibly become a force to be reckoned with.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        So, pursuant to my previous posting, I advise all British jihadwatchers, both posters and lurkers, to pile on the pressure – keep on writing those polite, pointed letters to all your politicians! and letters to the editor, and letters to religious leaders – and keep on protesting, and march as and when you can, and keep on persevering with the educating and informing of family members, co-religionists in your church, synagogue or temple (if you are of the religious persuasion), co-workers, and general acquaintance.

        Don’t give up. Keep pushing. the Muslims never stop, so the *non-Muslims* who’ve woken up have to NOT STOP or slack off, either. You may be nearer the “tipping point” than you think; the point at which a significant majority of your fellow non-Muslim citizens may suddenly “wake up”. And then, like Tolkien’s Ents, they may find that they are strong…

  7. Michael Copeland says

    Blair has critics:
    “Look what former prime minster and warmonger Tony Blair has done to his own country. He has destroyed hundreds of years of development and history. Completely destroyed an entire country in less than two decades. And the man walks around free imagining he was the greatest politician in British history and should be reelected!”
    Admin. of The Muslim Issue
    http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/04/12/video-britain-first-goes-toe-to-toe-with-extremist-abu-izzadeen/

  8. Tim says

    This man needs to fcuk off. Seriously. People want him to be charged for treason and hanged. He imported MILLIONS of Muslims into Britain and made sure that hate ideology mushroomed everywhere. The problems he created for Britain are permanent and he basically destroyed an entire country. People KNOW very well in the country that they will have no choice but a civil war against Muslims within the next decade. Everyone knows this. And the bloodshed that will follow from it is the creation of Tony Blair.

    • mileaway says

      The same will happen here in America. We won’t have a choice either. The sad part is all of us that have the balls to stand for America will be to old and frail to defend it and The Muslims know it. They can wait us out until there are nothing left but Potheads and Welfare recipients left. An easy shoot of a fat duck! Obama and Holder are insuring the Muslims success. Our government has been infiltrated by Muslim conquerers and our Congress is doing nothing to prevent the take-over. I can only pray the Western countries Citizens can join together to defeat Islam once and for all.

    • Antikythera says

      My sentiments exactly. He helped islamicize his own country with all the sordid enrichment that follows. Including the Industrial scale Muslim grooming and rape of English girls , Fifty Terror Plots Foiled Since 9/11 etc.

  9. Richard James says

    The only way to deal with Blair’s “radicalized islam” is to realize that all muslims are our enemies, and have chosen to be so by remaining or becoming muslims.

    There are no moderate muslims and there is no moderate islam. All muslims accept a mass-murdering, child-raping thief and unprovoked genocidal warlord as “the perfect man”. They are all as morally corrupt, all as duplicitous, and all as lethally dangerous as their dead gang-boss.

    Roughly 75 years ago we realized that we had to treat all Nazis as enemies and also accepted that we had to get our hands and our consciences bloody in war to deal with them, much though we did not want to.

    It’s time for us to make that decision again.

    • Lane says

      Richard,

      Well said. Exactly. There is nothing ‘easy’ about this. But real life is not so easy and comfortable, though Americans have completely and utterly forgotten this. So have Westerners in general.

      They all must go. Banished. Islam is a violent, evil cult. Any adult who self-identifies with that cult should be treated as such. Apostasy, public and open, followed by mandatory deportation anyway because we can never, ever accept the ‘word’ of someone coming from a religion that promotes lying. Apostasy, voluntarily leaving all non-Muslims countries, or death. Period.

      • says

        “voluntarily”…?

        It never ceases to amaze or amuse me how the tough-talking JWers invariably recoil like shrinking violets from the need for deportation that would be, logically, total and forcible.

        Closely related to this, we see other tough-talking JWers above gloomily forebode a “civil war”, thereby leaping over a phase — deportation — that could considerably minimize such a catastrophe.

        I’m not an airy idealist. I know that deportation is not going to be even entertained in the mainstream West any time soon; and thus I foresee a long period during which dislocations and civil unrest will ensue in various places (mostly caused by Muslims, and probably with virtually zero “backlash” from the other side — the “backlash” the Islamopologists slyly pretend to worry about, the “backlash” the PC MCs earnestly wring their hands about, and the “backlash” the JW Softies jingoistically crow about — all three without any evidence to back up their claims); but to think this will inevitably spiral into some kind of apocalyptic Civil War and we have no control over this, is a most curiously alienated and gnostically gloomy pathos.

        • Defcon 4 says

          What will you do if congress passes a law outlawing criticism of pisslam and it’s holey prophet under other auspices (say, preventing hate speech)? I find that a much more likely outcome in the long term than your mass, non-violent deportation of musl0nazis from the USA.

  10. Michael Copeland says

    The Palestinian news editor, Abdel Bari Atwan, says, “ We have to differentiate between radical Islam and moderate Islam”. Perhaps he should swap notes with Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey, who says, “There is no moderate Islam or immoderate Islam: Islam is Islam and that is that.”
    Someone who is being radical (from Latin radix, root) is getting to the ROOT of the ideology, to its core. He is the one who understands it best.
    There are plenty of moderate muslims: they are moderate because they are only partially observant, as Robert Spencer showed in a debate a year or so ago. How they deport themselves makes no difference to Islam’s established teachings. Those are fixed, and not subject to any vote.

  11. Mirren10 says

    I agreed with your post, until you said; “apostasy followed by mandatory deportation”.

    So you would deport people such as Hirsi Ali, Mark Steyn, Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, as well as our own Saleem Smith and Miriam Rove ?

    That’s just stupid.

    • Lane says

      Ok, I take that part back.

      The apostasy must be public, published, made loud and clear. Any who revert or are caught secretly worshipping, or found to be lying or posturing for dawah’s sake, then out. Period.

      The main point being it must be made loud and clear. Apostasy or out.

      • says

        There is a historical precedent of a Western government having fallen to Islamic invasion and occupation, then that Western government over a long period of time finally retaking their land back from the Muslims — the Reconquista finalized in 1492 — after which they initiated mass deportation of Muslims along with a process of ferreting out Muslims who had eluded the initial dragnet (this rational process demonized by our PC MC mainstream as the dastardly Inquisition), and as part of this overall process, an acceptance of those Muslims who apostasized and converted to Christianity.

        Then, years later, guess what happened: innumerable numbers of those seeming ex-Muslim apostates fomented a violent rebellion so fierce and troublesome, it forced the king of Spain at the time to divert needed men and materiel from the most exigent problem of Muslim attacks in the Mediterranean, just to quell this rebellion. Given the astronomic “asymmetry” that modern technology makes possible, for individuals and cells to get their hands on WMDs of various types (chemical, biological, nuclear) and given the horrific destruction and casualties such WMDs can cause, it would be irrational not to at least keep all apostates under unusually close surveillance for an indefinite time (i.e., forever).

    • mileaway says

      A lot of people misunderstand me when I say there are NO good Muslims, only those that haven’t killed you, YET! And I can understand how that “apparent” sweeping statement could be misinterpreted but let me say this, it is NOT the person that is affronting, it is the religion that is identified by the nomenclature: “Muslim” with the two being inseparable.
      If as is suggested, Apostasy were to take place and perhaps even a “NEW” religion were devised exhibiting none of the abhorent mannerisms of Islam, it would be an entirely different matter.
      There ARE “Good” people that belong to a “Bad” cult that have the “Freedom” and “Opprtunity” to disclaim affiliation with the “Barbaric Cult” that choose NOT to, and expect the rest of the world to accept them as some sort of “Good”anomoly from Islam. That just isn’t possible with any form of clear conscience.
      The true task of proving no affiliation with “Radical” Islam is the leaving of Islam altogether and denouncing Islam for what it is. No one else can do that for a Muslim. It is their responsiblity to prove to the world that “They” believe in “Peaceful” cohabitation. That “They” can “Assimilate” into another society without the need to “Conquer” all others.
      No, it would be wrong to dispose of all the “Good” people as well but who is going to be the “Sorter” of Muslims? Who will choose the “True” and most importantly, “Honest” to remain. We all know it is the duty of a Muslim to lie for the benefit of Islam.
      The truth will be selfevident by the actions of true people of peace.

      • says

        Given the problem of the relative ease of individuals and cells to get their hands on WMDs of various types (chemical, biological, nuclear) along with ingenious methods of mass murder we may not be able to creatively imagine as well as Muslims who would fanatically obsess about this undercover, we cannot afford to play Muslim Roulette with the lives of our loved ones, families, friends, fellow citizens.

        I deeply resent anyone — including supposedly tough and no-nonsense Counter-Jihadists — putting their ethical narcissism above the safety of our societies (i.e., they would rather feel good about their precious ethical selves than protect our men, women and children not to mention our infrastructure).

    • defcon 5 says

      You make an excellent point Mirren10, deporting such people back to their islam0nazi hellholes would probably result in their murder at the hands of muslimes.

    • gravenimage says

      I agree with you about brave Muslim apostates like Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

      Just one point: Mark Steyn was *never* a Muslim.

  12. Mary says

    This blog and all the posts and comments are obscene. Imagine someone setting up a similar blog against Jews. The outcry of anti-Semitism would be deafening. Instead of attempting to build bridges, reaching out to people and attempting to create peace, people like you are simply stoking more fires and more hatred. What do you suggest, another holocaust but this time with Muslims? What’s the difference between you and Hitler?

    Instead of directing all your energy and talents on hating people, perhaps you should get a life and do something really useful. Right now you’re a disgrace to the human race.

    • Vic says

      They’ve burned their bridges, bitten the hands that reached out to them and are so far beneath The Noble Qu’far that peace with them would be an abomination.

      Your opinion is now irrelevant.

    • Yathribi says

      They burned their bridges and bit the hands that reached out to them, Mary. Peace will come through victory.

    • ECAW says

      Mary, you’re so wrong about where the hate is coming from, particularly as regards anti-semitism and any new holocaust. Try this, over which there was no deafening outcry:

      Yusuf al-Qaradawi is an influential Egyptian Islamic theologian who broadcasts on Al-Jazeera TV with an estimated audience of 60 million worldwide. In 2009 he said:

      “Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the Jews people who would punish them for their corruption…The last punishment was carried out by Adolf Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them…Allah Willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.”

    • defcon 5 says

      Dear lying scumbag,

      The Jews are not engaged in a worldwide jihad against the unbeliever. Jews
      are not murdering, nor raping, nor persecuting, nor kidnapping, nor forcibly converting unbelievers to Judaism all over the world in the here and now, muslimes are. Please FOAD.

    • Champ ✿ says

      Mary, what’s wrong–is the truth about islam and company too hot for you to handle?

      The *truth* is getting out there and exposing islam for what it is: EVIL!

      • Champ ✿ says

        ps …

        “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

    • gravenimage says

      Mary wrote:

      This blog and all the posts and comments are obscene.
      ……………………………………

      Mary, do you actually support violent Jihad? Do you want to see more attacks like those of 9/11, 7/7, and the Westgate Mall in Kenya? It’s hard to believe that you do.

      And do you want to see the imposition of Shari’ah law? That would mean amputations for petty theft, flogging for such things as drinking alcohol, and stonings for rape victims.

      If you oppose these things, then you yourself are an Anti-Jihadist.

      If you do not, then consider what you are advocating.

      I hope you become further acquainted with Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch. You might start with “Why Jihad Watch?” on the home page.

  13. Tommo says

    Blair was right about one thing. Mass immigration certainly did irrevocably change British society and now the backlash has to be suppressed. This is done by accusing the defenders of British society of racism and by enforcing laws, written during the Blair government, criminalising ‘causing offence’ and thereby making ‘taking offence’ a right.

    • thomas_h says

      criminalising ‘causing offence’ and thereby making ‘taking offence’ a right.”

      Very well put, Tommo.
      How many indeed see that the “right” was invented in order to justify criminalization? A caricature of right. Especially when the right is never used to criminalize “causing offence” to Christian and white.

  14. Geordie says

    Blair is a certifiable labour party loon who had to keep most of his bullshit secret while in office, for fear of being laughed out the door! But apparently even he can say something right eventually.

    I wonder who wrote his speech?

  15. RonaldB says

    I think what’s driving events right now is the blood feud between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shi’ite Iran. The fact that the Sunni al-qaeda has allied itself with Iran makes things even more complex.

    It’s thoroughly documented that the Bush familiy has, or had, deep business ties with Saudi Arabian princes, and that Saudi Arabian money saved the business of George Bush II, a very mediocre man of even more mediocre abilities. It’s also documented that Saudi Arabians were involved with the 9/11 jihadists, and that the US government under George Bush was complicit in their clean getaway.

    Things get murky after that. The Saudis had a primary strategic objective to keep both Iran and Iraq moderately strong, and to have each other at their throats. This would lessen the threat that either Iran or Iraq could pose to the relatively soft target of Saudi Arabia. George Bush, against strong Saudi objections, attacked and deposed the government of Sadddam Hussein, turning Iraq into a silent ally of Iran, and creating an existential threat to the Saudi regime. I have no idea what motivated Bush to take this action.

    The Muslim Brotherhood has been making deep inroads of influence in the US centers of political power and, I presume, in Britain as well. Saudi Arabia has also been funding the advance of mosques, and Islam, and has bought US political leaders wholesale. Up to a few years ago, the efforts of the Muslim Brotherhood seemed to dovetail nicely with those of Saudi Arabia, creating a rapid advance in Islamic power, influence, and presence in the US.

    But, the rapid advance of Iran towards nuclear weapons, and the tepid and ineffective US response, is making Saudi Arabia shift its previous strategy. The first objective of the Saudi government is to preserve its own existence, and its strategy of wholeheartedly supporting the infiltration of Islam into Western societies is becoming dangerous to Saudi Arabia. For the moment, it seems to be in the interest of Saudi Arabia to have stronger Western allies, rather than Islamic Western countries.

    Whether by design or by sheer incompetence (difficult to tell with the Obama administration), the US seems to be tilting towards Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood, at the expense of Saudi security.

    Thus, I would expect Saudi lackeys like Blair, and a large part of the British political elite, to rediscover the virtues of preserving their own culture, and incidentally, to maintain their military capabilites. They are not actually subject to any sort of intellectual reevaluation, but are acting out their roles in accordance with Saudi security needs.

    My take on the situation raises questions I cannot answer, Why did Bush ignore Saudi advice, and take out Iraq? Why did the Muslim Brotherhood, a Sunni group, and al-qaeda, a Sunni group closely linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, ally themselves with Shi’ite Iran? What is the real objective of the British political elites, who are supporting Muslim infiltration into their society, and cannot be so stupid as to think they can maintain their positions once Islam is the primary political power in Britain (and perhaps the US).

    In sum, I don’t believe for a second that Blair has suddenly developed the capability for independent thought, and is suddenly seeing the dangers of Islamic doctrine. He is serving the interests of Saudi Arabia, and we can expect to see more of such actions in the near future.

    • defcon 5 says

      All the power elite will have to do to maintain their positions of ‘political power’ is
      convert to pisslam. I believe the governor of New Joisy and Tejas have already done so and are lying about it publicly. A lie which is completely acceptable in pisslam, because muhammud encouraged his followers to do so, when it was convenient to do so (e.g. to lie about renouncing pisslam in order to murder a critic of mohammud).

  16. Custos Custodum says

    Saudi Arabia … has bought US political leaders wholesale.

    Saudi influence-buying has gone FAR BEYOND “political leaders”. Over the past 40 years (since Sheikh Yamani) the Saudi’s have acquired platoons of agents inside all major government agencies, the media (across the political spectrum), the military, and major corporations.

    It is important to understand that agents of influence are not only at the top of their organizations, but also – perhaps more importantly – in many mid-level positions.

    Influence-buying can take many forms other than cash. For example, promises of cushy post-retirement jobs, grants to students (especially law school) in return for selling their souls, financing of corporations leading to de facto ownership (like Carlos Slim’s ownership of the New York Times), etc.

    At the opposite end of the spectrum is the intimidation and assassination of the few actual moderates (mainly in the West) who seek to reform the doctrines of Islam.

    • Defcon 4 says

      @Custos Custodum

      I agree entirely. The infiltration and subversion of our government, educational system, judiciary and law enforcement is on many levels. How anyone expects to obtain justice from a system corrupted, infiltrated and subverted by islam0nazis is beyond me.

  17. says

    Blair has the makings of a great statesman in the likes of Churchill if he can get freed from the political correctness that formerly clouded his vision. Like many former communists in the west ( Arthur Koestler) during the 1930’s whose eyes were opened by the ugly reality of Stalin’s purges and realized that the “worker’s paradise” was an experiment in terror, so hopefully Blair will come around to Putin’s no nonsense approach to Islam.
    Bush capitulated to Islam and tried to make friends with these monsters, spending billions of dollars and sacrificing thousands of lives to set up two shariah compliant Islamic governments in Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at the results.
    To draw an analogy, it would be like after we had defeated Nazi Germany in WWII, if we then would have set up a new Nazi government in Berlin to be run by the “moderate, peaceful Nazis”. This is what Bush did with Islam.
    Bush should be tried and hung for giving moral support to the enemies of freedom, along with Obama.
    In Bush’s favor, he was simply an idiot. Obama is an out and out traitor.

  18. Geppetto says

    It’s a step, maybe a very small step but a step in the right direction. Expecting a majority in the complacement west to suddenly have an epihany is wishful thinking. No matter who speaks out and openly states the obvious, that the majority of the turmoil in the world, aside from that recently being caused by Vladimir Putin, is driven by Islam; not radical Islam, not militant Islam but Islam, is risking excoriation. If nothing has been learned over the past 12+ years since 9/11 it must be that this is an extremely hard sell made much more difficult by the agitprop and demonization tactics so successfully utilized by the Muslim Brotherhood and its affiliates.

    Please correct if necessary but Tony Blair, former Prime Minister of the UK, a nation currently immersed up to its figurative neck in rebellious Muslim outrage, is the most prominent public figure on the world stage to step up and accurately define the enemy in this war on “terror.” He’s bound to win some converts. The survival of his country depends on it.

    As does ours but America does not yet have a prominent former or present prominent leader with the brains or cojones to confront a malevolent Muslim crowd that has been welcomed with open arms into the hallowed halls of power.

  19. Gilgamesh says

    This tired and childish gibberish mantra of “Islam is evil’, ‘Muslims are a threat’, ‘radical Islam’ and ‘jihaad’ is straight out of George Orwell’s 1984. Only, substitute ‘radical Islam’ (whatever that is????) for Emmanuelle Goldstein as the manufactured enemy of freedom, liberty and justice. Qualities the Zionist bankster cartels and their masonic brotherhood of secret societies and secret orders do not believe in at all.

    Whats really imbecilic about Tony ‘Useful Idiot’ Blair is his incessant LIES. Like all these masonic bumboys that take their orders from the Vatican he continues to LIE and LIE and then LIE some more. I guess when you have told so many LIES you might as well carry on lying, and lying he does, and boy what a fortune he has made from telling LIES. What’s really scary is just how many sheeple believe his lies and continue to despite our nations going bankrupt to the Rothschilds bankster mobs that have waged their wars of terror without end for profit and their New World Order emerging. He lied about 911. He lied about Iraq, he lied about Afghanistan and Al CIA da. He lied about Libya and Syria and now he thinks because he has been away for a while, that people will forget his LIES, but sadly they still continue to buy them.

    However many have woken up to the lies of the Zionist controlled media propaganda machine that demonises anyone who dare challenge their LIES. Only when they lie, millions die. Look at Iraq. Under SH it was a great country where religious freedom was prevalent. There were schools, hospitals, universities and public services. Now look at it. It is a cesspit of sectarian violence, a country bombed back into the stone age and ruled by fear. Exactly the way Zion wants it, and why???. Because Saddam Hussein didn’t want to sell his oil for petro dollars. He didn’t want to be dictated to by the Federal Reserve Debt Creation Scam. Its the same with Afghanistan. Because they wouldn’t allow their country to be drilled up for gaslines and opium cartels, Zion bombed it back into the stone age. They’re not there for ‘women’s rights’ you idiots!!. Remember its a boys club. Bumboys all together.

    bLIAR as he should be deemed wants an open society yet he is s 33 degree Freemason. Freemasons take oaths to serve not the people they are entrusted to but the bankster cartels that are raping this planet for a world govt with Israel at the centre. Oh, hang on you can’t criticise Israel or Jews can you?. Don’t wanna be smeared an ‘antisemite’ now!! Just keep selling them arms so they can wipe the real semitic peoples, the Palestinians off the map. In fact every war the UK and its colonial slave US has waged is endorsed by Israel. ‘Anti semite’, hah!, don’t make me laugh. Its a clever con trick to silence anyone that gets near the truth about the boys club. A boys club that is rampant in paedohilia and child sacrifice. Let’s be clear these people worship Satan. Its the only way they can justify their LIES and mass genocide of innocents to protect their selfish interests $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

    Now i have debunked Israel, the biggest white elephant in the room is Saudi Arabia. The most despotic and wicked tyranny on earth. An inbred ruling family of thieves, LIARS, rapists and murderers that practice Wahabism, a rather nasty and virulent form of radical Islam. A country where daily decapitations are publicly held and women are stoned to death and beaten with whips for adultery. By the way its ok for men to commit adultery in Wahabism. Only the strangest thing is that Saudi Arabia is an ALLY TO THE WEST!!!???????
    Why????. Simple. They are selling their oil for petrodollars and are supplying their lunatic jiihadists to us to fight bi proxy wars against anyone who won’t bank with the Feds. The Anglo American bankster mobs are supplying these nutters with all the ammo they need to destroy countries that don’t play ball with the Rothschilds. Countries that don’t want to be part of their New World Order, and rightfully so. Putin is the only man left that has the balls to stand up to these bullies because Ukraine and all its treasures are what they want next. Its a mad, mad, mad mad mad world when you know the truth.

    Go on bLIAR why not keep lying. You’ve lied so much you might as well carry on for the truth would kill you, literally and is why you are still alive because you LIE. They murder those who tell the truth, like they murdered Dr David Kelly and Robin Cook. Two men you could never dream of becoming. You are a coward.

    Jiihad watch!!!. Don’t make me laugh. Its should be Bankster Watch! Follow the money baby, its a road that leads to Hell and thats exactly where these Satan worshipping traitors are going.

    • gravenimage says

      “Gilgamesh” wrote:

      This tired and childish gibberish mantra of “Islam is evil’, ‘Muslims are a threat’, ‘radical Islam’ and ‘jihaad’ is straight out of George Orwell’s 1984. Only, substitute ‘radical Islam’ (whatever that is????) for Emmanuelle Goldstein as the manufactured enemy of freedom, liberty and justice. Qualities the Zionist bankster cartels and their masonic brotherhood of secret societies and secret orders do not believe in at all…
      ………………………………..

      “Gilgamesh” would have us believe that violent Jihad does not exist, but was just trumped up by those “Zionists” as a distraction.

      Tell that to the victims of the 22,835 (and counting) Jihad attacks just since 9/11.

      For “Gilgamesh”, those who were slaughtered in lower Manhattan, in the London subway, in the hotels of Mumbai, in the Westgate Mall in Kenya do not count at all—he would much rather focus on the supposed threat of Jewish bankers.

      He is either an utter moron blinded by irrational antisemtism, or else he is a deliberate enabler of the evil of Jihad and Shari’ah. Repulsive, either way.

      • Champ says

        He is either an utter moron blinded by irrational antisemtism, or else he is a deliberate enabler of the evil of Jihad and Shari’ah. Repulsive, either way.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        I wholly agree, Graven …and yelling at us only demonstrates how unhinged he is.

  20. Champ says

    Hmm …

    Conspiracy Watch might be a better fit for you …even so, thanks for sharing, and all that jazz.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Yep, Gilgamush certainly hit all the low points (Rothschilds, bankers, free masons etc.) of the typical knuckle dragging Jew hater, it’s strange how none of his well-worn and expansive screed explains away the fact scuzzlums are murdering, persecuting and forcibly converting people of other faiths, all over the islamic world, in the here and now.

      • Gilgamesh says

        Defcon4 and Champ

        Ha ha ha!! Here we go again the Orwellian diatribes are out again. I am a ‘Jew hater’, i am a ‘conspiracy nut’, a ‘tin foil hatter’, or maybe a ‘Nazi’?
        Even though i have clearly spelled out the machiavellian machinations behind the scenes which ring to the sound of the Holy $ Dollar you philistines still refuse to accept the facts because you have swallowed the 911 myth.

        911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

        “OOOOooooh, they hate our freedoms, and want to convert the world to Islam”!! Such demented childish gibberish spouted out by the likes of Bush and Blair Witch. Two men that have zero credibility. Two men whose conspiracy theories have been totally discredited by science and reason.

        But you don’t listen to science or reason do you, only Talmud Vision!

        Switch off Talmud Vision and unplug the propaganda machine. I do not hate Jews because those that live in Israel are NOT Jews. They are Turko-Finnish Asiatic impostors from Khazar that converted to Judaism in the 7th century for economic interests. These impostors have hoodwinked you to think they are ‘God’s chosen people’. And all the wars of empire they wage on this planet are to maintain their economic stranglehold on you via the Federal Reserve.

        bLIAR is a war criminal along with Bush, Kissinger, Brezinski and Obomber et al. Their language is violence and war and hatred. In a civilised world they would be hung drawn and quartered for high treason along with the jihadists they fund and train to create their New World Order. They are cowards along with your impostor ‘Jews’, because they get others to fight and die for them. God help us all.

        • gravenimage says

          Yet more crap from “Gilgamesh”:

          …you philistines still refuse to accept the facts because you have swallowed the 911 myth.

          911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.
          ……………………

          There have been 22,835 Jihad attacks since 9/11—have they *all* been “inside jobs”? Really?

          That’s the problem for these conspiracy theorists—this claim has become less and less plausible all the time, as violent Muslims wreck ever more overt Jihad terror.

          The other problem for them, of course, is that this is all on the basis of Islam itself, and all justified by the texts and tenets of that creed.

          And pious Muslims themselves are hardly quiet about this—they regularly incite Jihad terror, and laud those who commit it.

          Were 9/11 and “inside job”, why would Muslims have been dancing in the streets in its wake?

          But none of this will make any difference to “Gilgamesh” and others like him.

      • Mirren10 says

        ‘Gilgamesh’ is one of the leftatrd, ant-Semite morons from ‘loonwatch’. He posts his evil drivel quite regularly there, to the cheering accompaniment of the intellectually challenged fellow ‘loonwatchers’.

        They have never seen a vicious murdering mohammedan they don’t like, and try to cloak their vicious ant-Semitism and fear and hatred of successful, vibrant and courageous Israel under the guise of hatred of ‘zionism’, and ‘zionists’.

        Similarly, they *never* chronicle any of the thousands of mohammedan atrocities, and cloak their approval of these by dismissal, or if really pushed to it, a mild criticism of the ‘wahabbism’ of saidi arabia.

        They, like all mohammedans and their apologists, truly believe the rest of us haven’t read the ‘sacred’ texts of islam, or the hadith, or the life of the evil mohammed. They think if they only shout loud enough, and deny flatly, the rest of us will believe them, and deny the evidence of our own eyes and ears.

        Similarly, they ‘never’

        • Gilgamesh says

          Mirren 10.

          Another brainwashed lobotomised drone that swallows the Zionist propaganda hate drivel promulgated by Talmud Vision which is the controlled media. You people make me laugh. You are hypocrites, liars and thieves just like your hero bLIAR.

          You accuse people like me who have actually woken up and realised that 911 IS AN INSIDE JOB proved by science and scientists who have discredited the conspiracy theory of Talmud Vision that still pedals out their banal Ali Baba and his 40 thieves along with ‘bearded men that hate our freedoms’. I’m laughing my ass off man, they don’t make this up better, well they do. Its called Talmud Vision and it passes of for news.

          These bLIARITES and Bushites that worship the war machine of the Federal Reserve as its the only language they know, accuse people like me that expose their faux humanitarian dispensationalism, as ‘antisemites’ when its perfectly acceptable to hate on Muslims or ‘pisslamics’ as Defon4 calls them. HYPOCRITES, i say just like the Neo-Con fascists whose unstoppable war machine is trampling down countries at the behest of IS RA HELL and her cronies.

          HYPOCRITES that pedal their ontological hate bile to the world. Oh and why would i read any ‘Islamic sacred text’ when I AM NOT MUSLIM. Yes i repeat I AM NOT MUSLIM or ever want to be. In fact I AM A CHRISTIAN. But a Christian who does not recognise Israel, the land of the AshkeNAZIM Nazis who masquerade as ‘God’s Chosen People’. Yes, NAZIS would be the correct term for their extermination of the Palestinians who incidentally are the true semitic peoples.

          No, I AM NOT A MUSLIM. Islam much like their Talmudist counterparts and their fake Israel will have to answer to the true God of Israel whom i serve. Bet you’re confused now huh?????? !!
          Yet these two impostors have one thing in common and that is their hatred of Christians. The Christians they are exterminating in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. But they came up against a dry wall when they tried to do the same to Russia the land of the Orthodox Christians.

          Cowards. They only attack countries that can’t fight back. Yet they continue to arm these lunatic Islamic Wahabists with all the ammo they need. Wake up and smell the coffee baby! As Jesus said “I will vomit you out of my mouth!”.

  21. Mirren10 says

    Bother. Trying to type on a tablet keyboard is really annoying !

    Also note the typical leftard and mohammedan ‘reasoning’.

    gilgamesh crows that he has ‘debunked’, and ‘proven’ his cretinous ranting drivel, without producing one *shred* of evidence to substantiate his stupid delusions. So typical.

    • Angemon says

      Mirren10 posted:

      gilgamesh crows that he has ‘debunked’, and ‘proven’ his cretinous ranting drivel, without producing one *shred* of evidence to substantiate his stupid delusions. So typical.

      Like someone once said, “If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself”.

    • Gilgamesh says

      Mirren 10

      It is you that is the CRETIN. What i find so ridiculous about your circular reasoning is how you deem anyone that actually disagrees with the Neo Con fascists’ war on terror scam to be a Muslim!!!!!!

      I will repeat for your tiny brain, I AM NOT A MUSLIM! There are millions of NON MUSLIMS that don’t agree with bLIAR or the war on terror fraud. It doesn’t make them Muslims ok you moron.

      GROW A BRAIN. There is plenty of evidence to prove all the things i’ve said only your tiny brain won’t allow it because it has been lobotomised by Talmud Vision!

      • Angemon says

        Gilgamesh posted:

        There are millions of NON MUSLIMS that don’t agree with bLIAR

        Argumentum ad populum (literally, “an argument to the people”) is the logical fallacy that just because something is popular, it is therefore true. Undoubtedly many popular notions are true, but their truth is not a function of their popularity.

        This logical fallacy is often used by children as an excuse for wanting something (“everybody else has it!“) or getting into mischief (“everybody else is doing it!“). Despite the juvenile nature of the argument, it is often used by people who should know better, particularly by those who are trying to force other people to their way of thinking.

        Or, as Bill Maher eloquently put it, “Eat shit. Twenty trillion flies can’t be wrong.

      • Mirren10 says

        ”There is plenty of evidence to prove all the things i’ve said …”

        So why can’t you produce it ?

      • gravenimage says

        More verbiage from “Gilgamesh”:

        Switch off Talmud Vision and unplug the propaganda machine. I do not hate Jews because those that live in Israel are NOT Jews. They are Turko-Finnish Asiatic impostors from Khazar that converted to Judaism in the 7th century for economic interests. These impostors have hoodwinked you to think they are ‘God’s chosen people’.
        ………………………………

        Actually, the “Khazar” thing was put forward initially by a Jew desperately trying to deflect homicidal antisemitism.

        Now, rather predictably, it has just been co-opted by antisemites themselves in an attempt to discredit Israel by claiming she was founded by Jewish converts.

        The fact is European Jews are not descended from the Khazars, Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are closely genetically related, and many Israelis are Sephardic, in any case—either indigenous Sabras or descended from Jews who were living in the Middle East, Near East, and Mahgreb and expelled by Muslims.

        But what do facts matter to such moronic antisemites?

        More:

        You accuse people like me who have actually woken up and realised that 911 IS AN INSIDE JOB proved by science and scientists who have discredited the conspiracy theory of Talmud Vision…
        ………………………………

        Actually, no. Scientists and engineers have debunked the “inside job” conspiracy theory many times, including in a memorable issue of Popular Mechanics. No reputable scientist pedals this rot.

        And idiots like “Gilgamesh” are still confronted by the central problem, which is that Jihad is not just 9/11 anymore.

        9/11 was horrific, and is still considered the Jihadist “gold standard” of terror, but now we have had Beslan, the Madrid Train Bombings, the 7/7 attack on London, the terrible Mumbai attack, the Ft. Hood Massacre, the savage murder of Lee Rigby, the Boston Marathon Bombings, and over 22,800 other Jihad attacks, all over the world.

        Would “Gilgamesh” have us believe that these are *all* “inside jobs? Boy, those “Khazars” sure are busy beavers…sarc/off

        More:

        …the that still pedals out their banal Ali Baba and his 40 thieves along with ‘bearded men that hate our freedoms’. I’m laughing my ass off man, they don’t make this up better, well they do…
        ………………………………

        Unfortunately, it is not Jooooooooos who are claiming they hate our freedoms, but vast numbers of Muslims themselves, and all on the basis of Islam itself.

        Far from this being something trumped up by Jews, many Jews—just like other Westerners—are deep in denial over the Jihad threat.

        More:

        HYPOCRITES, i say just like the Neo-Con fascists whose unstoppable war machine is trampling down countries at the behest of IS RA HELL and her cronies.
        ………………………………

        “Trampling down countries”—the “war on terror” has been muddled and poorly executed, but the idea that our starry-eyed attempts at nation building are “trampling down countries” is ludicrous.

        For someone like “Gilgamesh”, any attempt to fight Jihad is considered unprovoked aggression. Repulsive.

        More:

        HYPOCRITES that pedal their ontological hate bile to the world. Oh and why would i read any ‘Islamic sacred text’ when I AM NOT MUSLIM.
        ………………………………

        One reads the Qur’an, the Hadith, and the Sira for the same reason that one reads Mein Kampf.

        More:

        Yes i repeat I AM NOT MUSLIM or ever want to be. In fact I AM A CHRISTIAN. But a Christian who does not recognise Israel, the land of the AshkeNAZIM Nazis who masquerade as ‘God’s Chosen People’. Yes, NAZIS would be the correct term for their extermination of the Palestinians who incidentally are the true semitic peoples.
        ………………………………

        More ahistorical rot. This is, in fact, the usual line from Mohammedans themselves: that any “true” Jew would convert to Islam, because the Qur’an is the “uncorrupted” original holy text.

        More:

        No, I AM NOT A MUSLIM… Bet you’re confused now huh?????? !!
        ………………………………

        Not particularly. “Gilgamesh” appears to be quite confused, though.

        More:

        Yet these two impostors have one thing in common and that is their hatred of Christians. The Christians they are exterminating in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.
        ………………………………

        Well, this very odd. Apart from a handful of Westerners and an even tinier number of apostates from Islam, there *are no Christians in Afghanistan*, because they have been long since driven out and murdered by Muslims—along with the Hindus and Buddhists who also once lived there.

        As for Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the ones killing Christians there are the same pious Muslims that “Gilgamesh” is claiming present no threat.

        More:

        But they came up against a dry wall when they tried to do the same to Russia the land of the Orthodox Christians.
        ………………………………

        Actually, Jihadists are also attacking Russia. Just look at Beslan, Chechnya, and the Jihad attacks on Moscow.

        Yet more, in reply to Mirren:

        It is you that is the CRETIN. What i find so ridiculous about your circular reasoning is how you deem anyone that actually disagrees with the Neo Con fascists’ war on terror scam to be a Muslim!!!!!!

        I will repeat for your tiny brain, I AM NOT A MUSLIM! There are millions of NON MUSLIMS that don’t agree with bLIAR or the war on terror fraud. It doesn’t make them Muslims ok you moron.
        ………………………………

        It appears that in addition to his other intellectual and moral failings that “Gilgamesh” is unable to read very well. Mirren clearly made reference to “Mohammedans and their apologists”. So while “Gilgamesh” may or may not be Muslim himself, he is clearly an apologist for Muslim savagery.

        Sadly, this is hardly rare.

        More:

        GROW A BRAIN. There is plenty of evidence to prove all the things i’ve said only your tiny brain won’t allow it because it has been lobotomised by Talmud Vision!
        ………………………………

        Actually, “Gilgamesh” has offered no proof whatsoever for his ludicrous claims. That, however, should not surprise—neither Muslims not Muslim apologists are very good at logic and reason.

        And why would they be? Theirs is not a logical or morally reasonable stance.

  22. Charles Martel says

    My guess is that Gilgamesh will be shunned by his allies and fellow haters for even reading this Jihad Watch blog! Gilgamesh probably thinks the original Gilgamesh was a moslem, just like Abraham, Moses and Jesus! Sorry, there were no moslems until pedophile and madman Mo created his strict rules for war against
    whoever would not OBEY his dictates!
    Blair now seems to be calling for a crusade! Odd, islam is very touchy about that term because the FIRST CRUSADE was their military drive to conquer and convert peoples from Arabia to France! The first Christian crusade came centuries later.

    • Angemon says

      Gilgamesh probably thinks the original Gilgamesh was a moslem, just like Abraham, Moses and Jesus!

      Don’t forget Alexander the Great and Aesop. According to islamic orthodoxy they were mahomedans too !

  23. Mirren10 says

    ‘gilgamesh’says “I am not a muslim !””

    Well, of course I never said he was. What he is, is a vile anti-Semite, and an *apologist* for mohammedans and islam. Also a typical leftist who is incapable of reasoning, or processing facts.

    He, and all the rest of them, think if they only shriek, spit and spew long enough and loudly enough, deny and dismiss enough, the facts, the evidence, will simply disappear. Or at least, they will succeed in making the rest of us think they have.

    But I really think he should give some thought to converting to the ‘religion of peace’. It suits him so well.