Hamas top dog: We don’t kill civilians, but yeah, we killed those Israeli teens

Hamas leader Meshaal speaks during news conference after meeting with Egypt's President Mursi in CairoHe said that Hamas is against the killing of any civilians, and that the killing of the Israeli teens was not authorized by the Hamas leadership — although he did justify those killings. Nor did he explain why Hamas included the murders of Israeli civilians in its “Glory Record.” Here are some of Hamas’ self-described exploits from that record:

3. Boureen Operation: The militant Hamdan Hussein Al:najar, a member of Hamas, killed the Israeli settler Ya’coub Berey using a big rock as his weapon. The militant was shot down as a martyr after he had ambushed an Israeli patrol using the dead settler’s weapon….

6. Bus No. 405 Operation: Militant Ahmed Hussein Shukry, a member of Hamas, was able to lead an Israeli soldier to a secluded place in Tel Aviv where the militant hit the soldier with a chisel and killed him on 8 September 1989. The following day, the militant got on bus No. 405 and stabbed the driver to take over the bus; however, the passengers were able to stop the militant….

12. Keryat Youval Operation: The militant Mohammed Mustafa Abu Jalala stabbed four Israelis and injured another at a bus station in Keryat Youval in Jerusalem before he was arrested by the Israeli forces.

13. Askalan Road Operation: While driving a taxi, the militant Jameel Ismail Al:baz, a member of Hamas, ran over a group of Israelis waiting on this road on 19 July 1991….

15. Shailou Operation: A military group belonging to Al Qassam Brigades attacked an Israeli bus carrying some settlers on their way to Tel Aviv to participate in demonstrations organized by the extremist party Likud against the peace process. The bus was completely destroyed; two Israelis were killed and five more were injured….

17. Eid Al-maskhara Operation: The militant Ra’ed Al:reefy attacked an Israeli crowd in Jaffa on 17 March 1992. He was able to kill 2 and injure 21 Israelis who gathered to celebrate Eid Al:maskhara, also known as Al:boureem.

18. Beit Lahya Operation: On the third anniversary of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin’s arrest, a group belonging to Al Qassam Brigades attacked an Israeli settler at Beit Lahya and shot him down then withdrew safely….

21. Carlo Factory Operation: Four militants belonging to Al Qassam Brigades broke into a citrus packing factory (Carlo) near Nahal Oaz at 2:30 p.m. on 25 June 1992. Three militants stabbed two Israelis while the other was guarding….

So Meshaal claims that Hamas is against the killing of civilians, yet for years Hamas’s own website included a celebration of the murders of civilian Ya’coub Berey; the civilians on the bus to Tel Aviv; the civilians in the crowd in Jaffa; and the civilian at Beit Lahya; as well as the stabbings of the driver of bus No. 405, the Israelis at the bus station in Keryat Youval, and the citrus packers, as well as the victims of cabbie Jameel Ismail al-Baz.

He also says: “We are not a religious, violent group.” Yet Hamas’s charter bears this epigraph: “Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.” How will Islam eliminate Israel? By prayer? No, by violence.

As Muhammad said, “War is deceit.” Meshaal here shows himself a to be an excellent practitioner of that art.

“Hamas leader: Don’t compare us to ISIL,” by Michael Isikoff, Yahoo News, August 22, 2014:

DOHA, Qatar—In an interview with Yahoo News, the political leader of Hamas today vigorously rejected any comparison to ISIL terrorists and pledged that the Palestinian militant group will start giving warnings to Israelis about impending rocket attacks in order to avoid the killing of innocent civilians.

As much of the world expressed revulsion over the beheading of American journalist James Foley by an ISIL executioner, Hamas political chief Khaled Meshaal took pains to distance his organization from the Islamist militant group that has conducted a murderous rampage across a large swath of Syria and Iraq.

“This is an opportunity for me to say we are against the killing of any civilians, any journalists,” Meshaal said in the interview. But he then turned the accusation against Israel. “The question is who is killing the civilians,” he said, asserting that more than 15 journalists have been killed during the Israeli assault on Gaza.

Meshaal acknowledged for the first time that Hamas members — but not the group’s political leadership — were behind the slaying of three Israeli settlers on the West Bank in June. But he defended the murders as a legitimate action against Israeli “illegal” occupation.

“We were not aware of this action taken by this group of Hamas members in advance,” he said. “But we understand people are frustrated under the occupation and the oppression, and they take all kinds of action.”

When asked directly whether Hamas members carried out the abduction of the Israeli teens, Meshaal said: “We learned about these confessions from the Israeli investigation … Hamas political leadership was not aware of all these details. We learned about it later on …

“Our view is that soldiers and settlers on the West Bank are aggressors, and they are illegally living in this occupied and stolen land. And the right to resist is the right of Palestinians.”

The hourlong interview was conducted at a gated, unmarked Hamas media office in Doha, Qatar. It came after two days of talks there between Meshaal and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas at the sprawling palace of Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani following the collapse of a 10-day cease-fire and the resumption of Hamas rocket fire and Israeli airstrikes in Gaza.

In the wide-ranging interview, Meshaal repeatedly blamed Israeli leaders for the current round of violence. He deflected questions about the hundreds of Hamas rockets aimed at Israel, making a new pledge to warn civilians in advance of the attacks.

“We do not target civilians, and we try most of the time to aim at military targets and Israeli bases,” Meshaal said. “But we admit that we have a problem. We do not have sophisticated weapons. We do not have the weapons available to our enemy … so aiming is difficult. We do promise you, though, that we will try in the future and we will warn people … We have given warnings to Israeli civilians. We promise that if we get more precise weapons, we will only target military targets.”

Asked about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s comments this week that “Hamas is like ISIS, ISIS is like Hamas,” Meshaal called the comparison a “lie” designed to “trick” the American public.

“We are not a religious, violent group,” Meshaal said, calling ISIL (the Islamist militant group also known as ISIS) a “totally different phenomenon. We are fighting against aggression in our land.”

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  1. Beagle says

    “Our view is that soldiers and settlers on the West Bank are aggressors, and they are illegally living in this occupied and stolen land. And the right to resist is the right of Palestinians.”

    This is all it takes for most of the western world to sign on to the HAMAS (Allah’s) cause. We generally don’t know the history of the region, that Islam itself exists only on land taken by conquest. No non-Muslim minority is considered to have a similar right to resist and none are openly opposing their Muslim overlords.

    All jihadis have a very good understanding of our culture and how to use it against us. We, on the other hand, are deluded about Islam as a matter of policy by government at every level, education, the media, even DHS and its subsidiaries.

    People who say this will be a “long war” are being overly optimistic. The Dar al Harb as been delusional since Said’s Orientalism (1978). What perfect timing for a book. The modern sahwa Islamia, I contend, began in earnest in 1979 with the fall of the Shah of Iran and the Afghani jihad against the Soviet Union. Some might say with the oil embargo of the early 1970s. Either way, we’re losing and most don’t even know it.

    The world is a finite place. Nobody suggests any territory held by Islam should be ceded. But everyone seems to agree Muslims may make hijrah to any nation and begin the process of Islamization in their own sharia enclaves.

    Play that out in your mind for a decade or two, mindful of the previous couple decades.

  2. Majya says

    It’s nice to know that in their arsenal of bombs, rockets and suicide bombers they also lie. They are killing their own people known as CIVILIANS!!!

  3. citycat says

    If one bears in mind twenty four seven that Islam is deceit then it becomes quite clear that that is the case. Not just that but over all Earth twenty four seven.

  4. jewdog says

    He is truthful, if one accepts the idea that no Israelis are civilians since all of Israel is occupied Islamic land. Warped, but consistent.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      They would also say that Israel is an apartheid state, as also asserted by various American news entertainers, professors, and non-gubmintal activists.

      No, Hamas is right. They don’t kill children. What they do is arrange things to force the IDF to do it, by way of inevitable collateral damage when it targets strongholds used by used by Hamas to launch its unprovoked attacks, regarded as heroic by the BBC and A2.

      Oh, and the Israeli kid just killed by a Qassam? Hamas didn’t do that, the thing just missed. Accident.

      • jewdog says

        Right, an accident. When this guy gets whacked, and he will, let’s all sing the following verse from a Johnny Cash song to explain his demise: “Accidently, on purpose, for spite.”

  5. Bezelel says

    OK I’ll say it first, That photo of him was taken in a gay bar when he was telling a suitor how much he can take. Caption that !!!

  6. salamander says

    Where will the Battle of Tours be fought this time? will we find our Charles Martel in Obama or Cameron? probably not

    • jewdog says

      The only Battle of Tours for Cameron and Obama will be between competing golf vacation packages in Britain and the US, from the Charles Martel Travel Agency.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Yes, only if ther are any golf courses around Tours will Obama be interested. As for Cameron, that depends if they have a local fox hunt.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      And therefore it is up to all of us, wherever we are, in cyberspace and in realspace, whoever we’re talking to, whenever the subject comes up, to make that connection: over and over and over and over, as dispassionately as we can manage; as if it is the most obvious and ordinary fact one could state. And to point out that anywhere there is more than a very small number of Muslims, entities of this ilk have a habit of “crystallising” out of the Muslim ‘community'; they are what it *naturally* and *inevitably* tends to produce.

      We can connnect ISIS to Boko Haram, too, pointing out the parallel between the kidnap and rape and sale-as-slaves of Yazidi and Iraqi Christian women, by ISIS jihad mobsters, and the kidnap and rape and sale-as-slaves of all those Christian schoolgirls, by Boko Haram. And *then* we mention the sacralised example of slave-raider and slave-master Mohammed, and the Rape of Safiyyah and the Rape of Rayhana, and we point out that both ISIS and Boko Haram are merely following in Mohammed’s footsteps; emulating him, as they are *supposed* to do, to be good pious Muslims. Ask people: given what Mohammed did to the Jews of Khaybar, what he did to Kinana, and what he did to Safiyya, what do you think many, many Muslims would do to Jewish families in Israel, supposing the IDF were to be overwhelmed? And if they refuse to answer: tell them that all they have to do, to know what would happen, if Israel’s defences failed, is to look at what ISIS has done and is doing to Yazidi and indigenous Assyrian Christian families, in Iraq and Syria.

  7. gravenimage says

    Hamas top dog: We don’t kill civilians, but yeah, we killed those Israeli teens
    ………………………..

    More “Islamospeak”. Check this out:

    “Hamas’ legal experts decide that targeting Jewish civilians is A-OK”

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2014/07/hamas-legal-experts-decide-that-killing.html#.U_kt2kZ4QUg

    Hamas has also stated many times that since Israelis have mandatory military service that they don’t consider *any* Israelis to be civilians—not even little babies.

  8. Silvia says

    “Hamas has also stated many times that since Israelis have mandatory military service that they don’t consider *any* Israelis to be civilians—not even little babies.”

    Well, according to that “logic” Israel has every right to kill every “palestinian” kid from 0-18 because they will become terrorists anyway.

  9. Yohananw says

    The dead and injured civilians in Gaza are on the heads of the Hamas terrorists. In yesterday’s news of a toppled tower, reportedly 3 of the 12 floors housed Hamas operations directing indiscriminate fire at Israel civilians. (inadvertent means without intention; accidental, incidental civilian casualties despite IDF warnings by flyers, phone and by a warning rocket on the roof. Collateral damage necessitated by self-defence war. In contrast, indiscriminate means intentionally random targeting of civilians. )

    To paraphrase Jakov Lind on WW2 bombing in Germany: >“The Allied bombers were the doves of peace. The bombs and only the bombs destroyed the arrogance of the burgher who had believed for far too long that one can get away with murder. Nothing in the history of modern Germany equalled this catharsis straight from heaven; it made Germany more democratic than it has ever been, and more pacifist than anyone can recall.” – JAKOV LIND. COUNTING MY STEPS (1969)

    Eventually even Muslim Brothers and Hamas cousins will learn that one _CANNOT get away with murder_, nor expect non-Muslims to commit suicide before their threats…

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Eventually even Muslim Brothers and Hamas cousins will learn that one _CANNOT get away with murder_, nor expect non-Muslims to commit suicide before their threats…

      We’ve been down this road for 1,400 years. For only around 215 years, from 1684 (post- Vienna) to around 1899 (post-Omdurman) was this the case. Since 1967, they’ve been made to think they can get away with murder unchecked, because, apart from Israel, we’ve become pussies and condemned anyone who dared to lay a finger on them, and repeatedly forced the Israelis to put up with terrorism and worse still, supply terrorist populations with food, electricity and clean water. Just imagine if we had been made to drop food parcels on Germany and Japan during World War II. Our populations would have been incandescent with rage.

  10. Rebecca says

    HAMAS AND ISIS SITTING IN A TREE
    K-I-L-L-I-N-G
    FIRST COMES ISRAEL, THEN THE US
    THEN THEY’LL GO ON TO CONQUER THE REST

    I don’t have twitter- so can everyone please pass this on and tweet this?
    I think it’s a very catchy song.
    and true

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Not bad.

      I have copied it to my e-clippings file of catchy counter-jihad items (including satirical limericks) and will circulate as opportunity presents.

    • Bezelel says

      meshaal isn’t shy while he is safely in qatar. Meanwhile back at the ranch, Bibi has given orders to take the gloves off in the fight in Gaza. meshaal wont be going back there for a while.

  11. Wellington says

    Agreed, PJ. Completely agree.

    I would only add that as much as Islam instills hatred for Jews, which it surely does to its eternal discredit, it instills even GREATER HATRED for those who are not “People of the Book,” as Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians are.

    For, say, Hindus, Buddhists and non-religious folks, Islam has even more hatred than it does for Jews. Ah, the depths of Islam’s capacity for hatred is virtually bottomeless. Indicative, I would argue, of just how awful and screwed up Islam really is.

    The world needs to unite against Islam. Not there yet. Damn shame.

  12. gravenimage says

    Very true, Philip.

    All the rest of this crap is just Taqiyya for Western consumption.

  13. dumbledoresarmy says

    Yep.

    And once enough sensible people in the West (and a good few beyond it: I am thinking in particular of Islamosavvy Indians, whether nonreligious, Sikh or Hindu) “get” that – it’s up to us to keep on hammering those basic points home – there should be upheavals.

    The corollary of recognising that the Mohammedan jihad against Israel – and against the Jewish communities worldwide – is driven by orthodox Muslim Jew-hatred, is coming to recognise that Muslims, the Mohammedan Mob, the Allah Gang, really really really hate *Infidels*…ALL Infidels, ALL non-Muslims, wherever we are, whoever we are, and that unless we convert to their horrid cult of blood and war, murder and rape and thievery – unless we join their Gang and become islamothugs ourselves, or else agree to be wretched dhimmi milch-cows and punching-bags, paying extortionate “protection money” (i.e., jizya) on the off chance they’ll grudgingly refrain from killing us this time around, they feel fully entitled to KILL *us*. Because they *like* the idea of killing us; because the lust for murder – along with all sorts of other dark desires that lurk in the basement of the human psyche – has been deliberately unloosed and fostered within them.