Turkish poet: “Islam is worse than Nazism”

SerkanEngin2Note from Robert Spencer: When Serkan Engin sent me this piece and asked me to publish it, I asked him if this could endanger him in Turkey. He responded, “I am ready to die.” I certainly hope that he encounters no difficulty as a result of making these public statements; what happens to him now will be a test of the health of the freedom of speech and Kemalist secularism in rapidly re-Islamizing Turkey. It is certainly not possible to say such things in the U.S. today without charges of “racism” and “bigotry,” without any discussion of whether there are Islamic texts and teachings that justify violence and hatred: the question cannot even be asked.

It should also be noted that I do not agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed. In the U.S., at least (to say nothing of Turkey or elsewhere), we do not outlaw ideas, and do not employ Thought Police. The criminalizing of thought is a hallmark of the totalitarian state. Even at the height of the Cold War, Communism was not outlawed. Once a people grants to the government the power to declare certain ideas illegal, that power can be turned against good ideas, to the detriment of the people. What needs to be done in response to jihad violence and Islamic supremacism today is an aggressive prosecution of any and all actions dedicated to subverting the republic; that is, however, not being done.

In any case, I may not agree with everything Serkan Engin says, but I will defend to the death his right to speak his mind. That is the fundamental principle of the freedom of speech, and the indispensable foundation of any free society. It is rapidly being lost.

Why Islam is Worse Than Nazism
by Serkan Engin

I am an atheist author and poet, who had lived as a Sunni Muslim for 23 years from birth, and I am still living in a Muslim country, Turkey. Also, my parents and all of my relatives are still Muslim. So, my critics about Islam can be easily consider this an inside view.

I know that the title of this essay seems assertive, but I will explain the rightness of this title step-by-step in this essay.

First of all, you have to learn about Islam that if you are an “outsider”, a non-Muslim, for example, a Christian, an atheist, a Buddhist, a Jew or whatever else, all Muslims have the “right” of killing and raping you, grabbing all your properties, your country, land, money and anything else. They take this “right” from the book of their belief, the Quran. In other words, they take this “right” from their belief’s core, the theology of Islam.

Here are some examples of this in verses from Quran.

This verse of Quran is about “all non-Muslims”, all “heretics”! — Christians, Buddhists, atheists, Jews, etc. — describing them “who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad)”

Surat Al-Ma’idah (5.33)

http://quran.com/5/33

“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.”

And this verse of the Quran is about the order to kill the humans who left Islam, the apostates:

Surat An-Nisa’ (4.89)

http://quran.com/4/89

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Look at the current situation in Syria. How can Islamist terrorists slaughter Alawite people or rape Christian women so easily? Because they take this “right” from their belief and they believe that they will go to the heaven because of these vandalistic actions against “outsiders”, who are out of Islam, who don’t believe the same religious tenets — in other words, those who are the “heretics” according to their belief. Some Muslims say, “But they are not the real Muslims.” That is a big lie; that is the exact form of real Islam, because these vandalistic actions are in accord with the orders of Quran.

You have heard many times that “Islam is a tolerant religion”. That is the biggest lie that you can hear all over the World, and this lie is used as a mask to hide the terrible face of Islam. There is NO difference between Islam and Islamism. This is the main error that the modern world make about Islam. There are not different forms as Islam and Islamism, they are the same thing, and they have the same content. This separation is just only an illusion, and it is used by Muslims to hide the brutal, hateful, oppressive,murderous, genocidal face of Islam.

Islamic theology is based on the verses of the Quran and Hadith. Hadiths are the words and actions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and all Muslims must follow these words and actions in addition to the orders of Quran. For example, you have to defecate as Muhammad did, and you have to clean yourself as he did, or you can rape and enslave a “heretic” woman in a war as a sex slave as Muhammad did, or you can torture your enemy in a war to learn the place of his hidden money, as Muhammad did.

You “must” cut the hand of a thief as Muhammad did, not give him any prison sentence as do the modern laws.

You must stone a woman to death as Muhammad did, because she had sex outside of the rules of Islam (but you must only whip her partner a hundred times). If you are a Muslim, you can never set them free while considering that their sexual actions are about their own personal relations and freedom, in accord with modern laws. You must definitely apply the punishments of Muhammad such as stoning the woman to the death and whipping her partner a hundred times if you want to be a good Muslim.

You must kill the man who left the belief of Islam, as Muhammad did. You can’t say “This is his own choice and he has the freedom of thought and belief”, because it is an order of the Quran that you “must” kill the persons who were Muslim before and then left the Islamic religion.

You must kill all homosexuals according to the orders of Islam. No Muslims can say according to Islam that their sexual orientation is their own natural right, in accord with the human rights norms of our age.

You have the “right” to marry a little girl at 9 years old, as Muhammad did. In other words, you can rape a little child legally in Islam and make her a sex slave, and also a domestic slave till the end of her life.

You can lie alongside of your dead wife for 6 hours, as Muhammad did. In other words, you can rape the dead body of your wife for 6 hours after her death.

Here is Islam…Here is the “tolerant religion”…Here is the right way to the heaven…Here are the orders of Allah…Here are the actions of Muhammad…

You can easily see how civilized the Muslim countries of the world are because of Islam, such as Afghanistan, Nigeria, Turkey, Iran, Sudan and the others. You can see how much they have contributed to the history of philosophy, the history of art, and the history of science of the whole world. You can see how respectful they are to human rights, women’s rights, children’s rights, the freedom of expression and thought, the freedom of the press, the freedom of belief, etc.

The first genocide wave of 20th century, the Armenian Genocide, the Assyrian Genocide and the Pontic Greek Genocide, was perpetrated by Turkish and Kurdish people of the Ottoman Empire and the new Turkish Republic, getting motivation from the “rights” that they had because of Islam: the “rights” of killing and raping the non-Muslims, enslaving their women and little girls as sex slaves and also domestic slaves, and grabbing their money, houses and lands. However, “The Committee of Union and Progress” (CUP) (Turkish: İttihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti) was based on Turkish nationalism; they used Turkish and Kurdish people easily for these genocides because of the Islamic religion’s content about non-Muslims. All the Turkish and Kurdish Muslims believed that they would go to the heaven if they killed more non-Muslims, as do today’s Islamist terrorists.

The owners of the second genocide wave of 20th century were Nazis, as you know. They took the genocides of the Turks as a sample. It is know that Adolf Hitler said to his military commanders, “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?,” while they were talking about the reaction of the world about the genocides that they were planning to perpetrate.

Nazism was considered a legal and respectable ideology at the beginning of the 1930s, and then the world saw how dangerous Nazism was. Millions of people died because of Nazism, and today it is illegal to support Nazism in any civilized country. You can never make propaganda about Nazism legally. Today, Nazism is not considered as a genuine thought alternative, and it is not included in the freedom of thought and expression.

As I have detailed above, Islam is against the human rights norms of our age, and it has more dangerous content than Nazism. Islam is not a belief alternative, it is just a crime against humanity, and any crime shouldn’t have freedom in our modern world. So, Islam must be declared illegal all over the world, as is Nazism, because of its vandal content and commands that are against human rights. All actions about Islam must be forbidden and the propagandists of Islam must be judged because of instigating to the crimes of murder, rape, grab and crimes against humanity. Otherwise, the world will meet with a big tragedy when the Islamists will get more power, as the world suffered because of Nazism.

A socialist Laz poet from Turkey, Serkan Engin was born in 1975 in Izmit, Turkey. His poems have been published in English in The Tower Journal, Poetry’z Own, Belleville Park Pages, Far Enough East, Spilt Infinitive Lit Magazine, Empty Mirror, The Writer’s Drawer, Poetry Super Highway, Miracle E-zine, Industry Night Lit Magazine, Open Road Review, Shot Glass Journal, The Criterion and Mediterranean Poetry. Some of his poems appeared in Japanese in the leading Japanese philosophy and poetry journal Shi to Shisou.

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Comments

  1. The Islamist says

    Robert Spencer, you should ask your mother if she has never met Serkan Engin’s father.

  2. Homer says

    While it is good that Serkan Engin has left Islam, he obviously hasn’t left totalitarianism and insanity completely behind, for he is an admirer of Che Guevara.

    • Jay Boo says

      No Biggie
      As I mentioned above to another commenter who brought this up

      In the grand scheme of things —
      Islam is so incredibly evil that there is no need to get into an equivalence debate over a poster.
      It may be more of an anti-establishment sentiment than a blanket endorsement.
      Have we so quickly forgotten all the ‘Che Guevera’ leftists in the West who instead eagerly grovel to appease Islam?
      Let him have his poster fetish as long as he eviscerates Islamic ideology.

  3. chrisleo says

    Serkan Engin, you’re a brave man. Thank you for having the courage to write the truth about Islam, I hope that this article will be picked up by the main stream media, but doubt it, as I feel we’re all fed a diet of bull shit by them. The global community seems aghast at the casualties occurring in Gaza, hence the pro Palestinian demos all over the planet, but it doesn’t or won’t pick up on the killing and butchery in Syria where the true brutality is happening. Its true that a picture tells a thousand words, and a child with a blood stained body in very emotive and evocative to say the least, however, in reality, its just a veil Islam is hiding behind, when the truth is its something more akin to Nazism, unfortunately for the vast majority of us our eyes are still closed to the threat just as they were in 1930’s Europe. Thank you again Serkan.

  4. says

    The whole problem is due to our mixing Islam with Arab Islam which is only a brand of Islam, not its whole or totality.
    True,real authentic Islam is the great ancient indigenous religious/cultural/spiritual tradition of non-Arab Asia (ie Hindu India) which is the real face of Islam, though “Islam” word might not be there because this whole non-Arabic, but real Islam is found only there.
    This ancient tradition of Hindu Islam need to be researched into afresh and discovered again. AfPak region is its place of birth. Its language is Sanskrit and it is non-Koranik and non-Mohammedan.
    Hindu Islam is the answer to all the problems we are facing today.

    • Jaladhi says

      There is no Hindu Islam. Period!! Islam is Islam and it is same all over the world. All Muslims follow the same Quran and its murderous teachings and go on killing all over the world. They have done it for last 1400 years and they are doing it now in every part of the world where they don’t fear any resistance, retaliation. That is the only way to conttain Islam – confront it pay it back in the same coin as they do non-Muslims.

      Islam has to be eradicated from the face of this earth – it has no redeeming value – just a murderous criminal cult!!

    • Jaladhi says

      >”This ancient tradition of Hindu Islam need to be researched into afresh and discovered again. AfPak region is its place of birth. Its language is Sanskrit and it is non-Koranik and non-Mohammedan.”

      Totally insane baseless statement. Sanskrit and Arabic has nothing common. The roots of the world Islam are in Arabic and not in Sanskrit. Lots of Arabic scholars on this site can confirm it.

      • Jaladhi says

        typo:

        Totally insane baseless statement. Sanskrit and Arabic have nothing in common. The roots of the word Islam are in Arabic and not in Sanskrit. Lots of Arabic scholars on this site can confirm it.

    • Angemon says

      S R Wakankar posted:

      The whole problem is due to our mixing Islam with Arab Islam which is only a brand of Islam, not its whole or totality.
      True,real authentic Islam is the great ancient indigenous religious/cultural/spiritual tradition of non-Arab Asia (ie Hindu India) which is the real face of Islam, though “Islam” word might not be there because this whole non-Arabic, but real Islam is found only there.

      Humm, no. Islam IS an arabic religion. It was started in Arabia by arabs. Earlier I quoted this bit from Robert Spencer’s “The Truth About Muhammad”:

      This is true particularly because Islam is an essentially Arabic religion; Muslims must learn the daily prayers and the Qur’an in Arabic, which is the language of Allah. To pray to him in another tongue is unacceptable.

      I know people from Pakistan who think along that line of thought – arabs ruined islam – but facts are facts. Islam is an arabic religion brought by an arab for arabs.

      This ancient tradition of Hindu Islam need to be researched into afresh and discovered again. AfPak region is its place of birth. Its language is Sanskrit and it is non-Koranik and non-Mohammedan.
      Hindu Islam is the answer to all the problems we are facing today.

      You can argue that wahabism, salafism or any other sect of islam is not the “true” islam, but you need to do so based on accepted islamic sources, not on outside sources. Also, what’s islam without the quran or muhammad?

  5. Silvia says

    I can only hope nobody hurts or kills Serkan Engin. It takes a lot of courage to say the truth when you’re in the eye of the storm. The world needs brave people like Serkan Engin ALIVE. I’m afraid that a cowardly western world the kind we have today, will not appreciate his bravery or his sacrifice if something bad happens to him.

    How can it be we learned nothing from the two most devastating WW’s the world has ever seen???? How come we’ve learned nothing from 70 years of the Communistic terror?

  6. Citizen Concerned says

    Please we cannot alienate 1.3 billion people (i.e., Moslem world community) as all following a “Nazi” like religion, surely there are moderate Moslems and a position for a secular based moderate Islam is possible thru selective readings of the Quran and Hadith.

    Turkey had a secular Islam up until the rise of Ergodan. Correct?

    Otherwise, the points are well taken, but all religions are subject to interpretation.

    • Tradewinds says

      The Demographic Jihad needs to be contained.

      Also, there is no way to tell a “moderate” Muslim from a potential Jihadist. Nidal Hasan of the Ft. Hood Jihad was supposed to be the epitome of a “moderate” Muslim and look what happened – he became a mass-murdering Allahu akbar-shouting Jihadist.

      It’s the Muslims and their mass-murder “religion” who alienate everybody.

      • Angemon says

        Tradewinds posted:

        Nidal Hasan of the Ft. Hood Jihad was supposed to be the epitome of a “moderate” Muslim and look what happened – he became a mass-murdering Allahu akbar-shouting Jihadist.

        No, Hassan was promoted as a moderate by military officers who didn’t want to end their career with a charge of “islamophobia” and as such ignored his power point presentations who got his colleagues to wonder if he wouldn’t become a jihadi himself and the reports of him contacting terrorists.

        • Tradewinds says

          Hasan was regarded as a “moderate” Muslim in the U.S. Army and still he became a mass-murdering Jihadist.

          Due to the Jihad doctrine in Islam which commands Muslims to kill non-Muslims (“infidels” “unbelievers”) all Muslims are potential Jihadists. Any Muslim can obey Allah and “Go Jihad” at any time, as Hasan did.

          “There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate. And as long as Islam is not, and never can be, moderate, there is a danger that any “moderate” Muslim will become, for any number of reasons out of the control of Infidels, an immoderate Muslim, with all the dangers that implies for the world’s Infidels.” – Ibn Warraq

        • Tradewinds says

          Voegelinian, it’s a shame you’re constantly attacked by the two foul-mouthed abusers who aren’t as smart as they think they are. You are obviously very intelligent and informed on the subject of what to do about Islam. Which is the early 21st century’s foremost question: What do we do about Islam??

        • Angemon says

          Tradewinds posted:

          Voegelinian, it’s a shame you’re constantly attacked by the two foul-mouthed abusers who aren’t as smart as they think they are

          Well, that’s what happens when one tries hard enough to be unpopular. Voeg brought it upon himself. For example, rather than giving a straight answer to some questions i made regarding his “total deportation” theory he beat around the bush, dodged the questions and then claimed I either was “a troll” or had “brain damage”. Not only that, he brought up both me and Philip out of nowhere on several topics to misrepresent our positions, and he acted like a spoiled child because other JW regulars didn’t come out to defend him, as if they were obliged to do so. You may not like the way me or PJ address him but if you think he’s an innocent victim and we’re a couple of bullies then you don’t know the whole story.

          If you want to agree with him that the only solution is to deport all muslims (including native converts), or outlaw islam, or not outlaw islam and outlaw muslims instead, good for you. I, for one, wholeheartedly agree with PJ, DP111(“making Islam illegal, would lead to the charge, that we, as an open society, could not defeat Islam in the battle of ideas“) and Wellington (“ free society doesn’t have to ban an ideology that would destroy free societies if only given the chance. A free society just has to properly identify a freedom-crushing ideology as a freedom-crushing ideology. After that, freedom will marginalize that ideology and it will no longer be a threat. Damn trouble is that Islam right now is still looked upon by Western elites as something good. Herein lies the real mistake“). I believe that the solution to the islamic issue is full awareness of islam: let everyone know that misogynist, homophobic, supremacist, jizya extorting, thought-crushing, apostate-killing, child-raping, limb chopping, throat slitting islam is the true nature of islam and supported by the average muslim in any given muslim country instead of the “distorted version from a minority of extremists” islamic apologists claim and the problem will solve itself.

  7. Anthony Mundane says

    al-Insān al-Kāmil. It is herein that lay the groundwork for the primitive, regressive and ultimately destructive desires and notions that lurk the void of every Muslim mind.

    Translating literally to “the man who has reached perfection”, al-Insān al-Kāmil is an Arabic phrase that is colloquially and exclusively used to describe the Islamic Prophet Muhammad as the perfect human being. More than just a phrase, though, it stands as a crucible of Islamic doctrine and one that each and every single Muslim on Earth inherently adheres to. Indeed, it is this caveat of the Muslim identity in which the very idea of there being a moderate Muslim often begins to unravel.

    The rest can be read here: http://debellation.com/2014/08/02/no-moderate-muslim/

  8. Guest says

    In Turkey one has to become a socialist and an atheist to see the light about Islam or Islamism (a term used to give the benefit of the doubt). The general public would not be able to read a Christian or Jewish Bible in the course of their normal lives. They would not be found in libraries or bookshops and would not be mentioned or discussed in textbooks or at schools, colleges or universities. On rare occasions Christian missionaries would make their ‘New Testament’ available, but they would present it with their dogma. The government, especially the current one, would ridicule and stifle any criticism with ad hominem arguments to provoke public anger, calling people not-Turkish (for example the writer is Laz), Socialist, Communist, infidel or apostate. One would be observing daily that the country is gaining speed down a slippery slope towards the time when every sign of courtesy shall be dropped and men and women will begin practicing openly and without compunction the unspeakable horrors and barbarities briefly outlined in the piece. And then, probably, most people in the West would still be continuing arguing about the rules of argument, who said what, to whom, etcetera, etcetera. The message of the piece is one of despair but maybe some of the comments are making the picture even darker.

  9. Predictot says

    I did not know that there are (not indoctrinated) realists at the Muslims groups. My compliments!

  10. Lord Saint Fire says

    I totally disagree with Spencer’s commentary. Islam NEEDS to be made illegal!

    If we don’t ban it then it will never stop. Islam won’t stop hurting people unless it’s made extinct. I support the ideas of this poet 100%.

    • Tradewinds says

      Agree. The only way to stop Islam and it’s Jihad doctrine is to eradicate it. Like the bubonic plague.

      • sujith says

        Right …..its a mental plague that kills the non infected more than the infected….so its 1000 times more deadlier than any known disease.

    • Wellington says

      Robert Spencer is correct about Islam being kept legal, at least in America. Besides, there is no way under the American Constitution that Islam could be made illegal. NO WAY!

      But here is what needs to occur: Islam eventually (hopefully sooner rather than later) should be seen for what it is, to wit, a hateful ideology like Nazism and Marxism (both of which, in America, are also not illegal). It should be allowed to exist but its followers, like followers of other loser belief systems, need to be seen as the confused, screwed-up people they really are. A free society, then, will take care of the rest, just as it has with the KKK, Neo-Nazis, anarchists, Marixists, et al.

      You see, a free society doesn’t have to ban an ideology that would destroy free societies if only given the chance. A free society just has to properly identify a freedom-crushing ideology as a freedom-crushing ideology. After that, freedom will marginalize that ideology and it will no longer be a threat. Damn trouble is that Islam right now is still looked upon by Western elites as something good. Herein lies the real mistake.

      • Lord Saint Fire says

        Well said…

        Then I guess we’d have to stop the leftist lapdogs (as Geller calls them) from propagating this fallacy that accepting and pandering to Islam is some form of multiculturalism and tolerance.

      • Wellington says

        Tradewinds, Islam does not have to be made illegal; it only has to be shamed and shown for what it is, rather like Nazism and Marxism, two other totalitarian ideologies which were never made illegal in America.

        And as for jihad continuing if Islam is not made illegal, no it won’t continue except in pathetic and innocuous bits and pieces as long as any Muslim violating American law in pursuit of jihad is prosecuted forthwith, just as Marxists, KKK members and Aryan Nation types can believe whatever they want, but if they break American law in pursuit of their warped belief system, then they are charged accordingly.

        Proper identification of evil in a free society is all that is necessary (and, anyway, under American constitutional law Islam simply can’t be made illegal—–one knows this or should know it). So far the real problem has been that proper identification has not occurred. Once Islam is viewed as a negative, rather than as a postive or a neutral, things will take care of themselves here in America where Islam is concerned. Muslims henceforth will be looked upon by the vast majority of Americans the way fascists and Communists are, i.e., total losers. Don’t underestimate the power of opprobrium in a free society manifested towards losers. It marginalizes and defangs them most effectively.

  11. says

    Re: “The criminalizing of thought is a hallmark of the totalitarian state.”

    Sorry, Robert, but I must agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed.

    In the U.S., at least (to say nothing of Turkey or elsewhere), we DO INDEED outlaw ideas, and do indeed employ Thought Police:

    Issuing Death-Threats is illegal. So is inciting riots (aka “hate-crimes” these days).

    Especially when those calls to violence are not in defense of innocents, but are in aid of promoting an intolerant, us-versus-them, might-makes-right crime-creed.

    It’s high time you realized that without “muslims,” there can be no “islam;” and that, exactly like with the National Socialists of the past, there are no “good nazis.”

    There are no “good” muslims, Robert.

    BAN ISLAM!

    • Wellington says

      Anyone who thinks Islam can be banned in America is, quite frankly, deeply ignorant of American constitutional law. And I write this as the lawyer I am.

      • Champ says

        Agreed, Wellington! …and I state this as one who completely abhors evil islam and all its horrors.

        Bravo!

        • says

          Everything muslims pretend to consider their holy religious rights, are already crimes which are all specifically already banned by civilized American law.

          The only thing not banned (yet) is the name of the crime-creed itself, and even so only because the First Amendment didn’t bother to define that “religion” which it protects from itself.

          And the only reason no judges have yet condemned it, is racism.

          Imagine is any given Tony, Guido or Nuncio of the Mafia dared try this on a judge:

          “Your Honor, Sure, you caught us red-handed, and we admit to all those murders, arsons, rapes, and robberies you’ve accused us of.

          BUT we don’t care, you see – because you have no jurisdiction over us. So we wil proudly commit them again, and again, and you can’t stop us! Why, you ask? It’s simple, really, because:

          GOD TOLD US TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES!

          (CAPISCE?)!”

          😉

          Such audacious alibit excuse attempts wouldn’t work at all for the Mafia’s “mafiosis,” so why does they currently work so well for Islam’s “muslims”?!

      • says

        It should never be allowed by backwards people to be considered “illegal” to accuse these criminals (moslems) of their crimes, allegedly because the painful truth might offend them or hurt their feelings, and so “make” them commit even more crimes!

        No problem was ever solved by ignoring it, and nobody is doing even these moslems any favours, by indulging their historic lies that islam is a “religion” (at all, much less one “of peace”) or a “race” (much less one of poor oppressed People Of Colour”)!

        Pretending there is NOT a Muslim problem but only a white racist problem accepting diversity, is criminally negligent TREASON.

        ALL moslems are criminals: by their own rules, they must endorse in public every word in the Qur’an, which tells them that they are so “superior” to all non-moslems, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-moslems in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being moslems.

        So the Qur’an is a clearly-written, us-versus-them hate-crime book, endorsing a permanent might-makes-right death-threat.

        ALL muslims are criminals, as being members of the ancient, ongoing global extortion racket called islam. In sharia law texts, muslims are SUPPOSED to be regarded as threats (as “objects of fear”) by all the unbelievers, whether or not the individual muslim has itself actually committed any crimes.

        That’s why we have laws against simply being a MEMBER of a crime-gang or ‘criminal enterprise’ because their membership endorses the inherent threat. Threats are crimes in themselves: they are psychological attacks, also known as intimidation, bullying, coercion, duress, harrassment, activist agitation, extortion, and “terrorism.”

        And even any “only” attempted crimes are still considered by civilized people to be crimes.

        Here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:

        “I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”

        – Muhammad –

        Muhammad was really only a con-man and bandit-king, an arch-criminal who always blamed “god” for his own penchant for committing crimes. If Moe got away with committing a crime (and he tried them all, enthusiastically, more than once, but instead of ever showing contrition, bragged about how much fun it was to commit them, and advised everyone else to join in the fun, too), then it was held to be “obvious” that “god” wanted him to get away with having committed those crimes!

        And they’ve acted on it, too: according to their own Eastern histories, islam has an official 1,400 year history of “holy” lies, extortions, robberies, tortures, arsons, kindappings, slaveries, rapes and 270 million murders (that’s OVER A QUARTER-BILLION INNOCENTS SACRIFICED TO ALLAH, so far – it’s a larger death-tally than that of EVERYONE ELSE, both secular and religious, COMBINED, and with an historical average of less than 1% of the global population to have committed it with, too)!

        So, simply and precisely because of their “THOU SHALT KILL!” cultural indoctrination, moslems are still from between four and several hundred times more likely to engage in murder and all other crimes, than everyone else in the world!

        So, islam is not a “religion” (at all, much less one “of peace”) nor is it a “race” (at all, much less one of “Poor, Oppressed, People Of Colour”)!

        Obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:

        “God told us to commit these crimes!”

        (Capisce?)!

        😉

        We should simply BAN ISLAM – because everything moslems pretend to consider “holy” is already a crime!

        ;-(

        The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims.

        So, if and when you consider islam to be a “religion,” you must agree with it’s main tenet: that God is a violent murderer who wants his muslim tribe to violently conquer the world by extorting, enslaving, and murdering all the non-muslim humans, right?

        Bottom line: If you decide to believe in “allah,” you have declared yourself a criminal, and so must be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted. Your confession of “faith” in your crime-god will help us to do so.

        • Tradewinds says

          Vlad, you’re very knowledgeable about Islam, a Terrorist organization for 1400 years.

          Muslims believe that they have a divine responsibility to wage war (Jihad) against those who do not share their creed, impose institutional inequality upon women and disbelievers, and extinguish freedom of speech about Islam/Mohamet/Qur’an.

          Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct.

          We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive. The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer us. Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tzu, had the dictum—know the enemy. We must know the Jihad doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated.

          You can’t stop Jihad if you don’t stop Islam.

  12. Elisheva14 says

    I think the first step is for all countries to acknowledge that Islam is a violent religion. It is a religion of hate. The West is in denial and allowing this cancer to grow. Israel is the only country fighting to defend itself against Islam and has no support. The UN is worthless.

    I think it is great that there are some brave souls who are speaking up and this man needs to embraced. We need to help him to get a better life and get his thoughts to others. Any Death Cult is dangerous and needs to accepted as dangerous.

    • says

      All criminals are cowardly, victim-blaming masochists, always anticipating the worst-case scenarios and so wanting to cause them first themselves, in order to be able to pretend to “control” their fates.

      Muhammad pretended he could control his fate by acting as a self-fulfilling prophet of god-as-extortion.

      How much of a scholar does anyone have to be to realize islam is only a big example of the critical thinking logical fallacy known as the Argumentum Tu Quoque (or psychological “projection”) used by Muhammad the Liar as his #1 alibi-excuse for his many crimes:

      “Muhammad isn’t an evil criminal because “god” does it, too!”

      Muhammad’s excuse is that, since “god” allows, enables and condones evil to exist, He is also thereby actually committing all those evil acts, because He is both omniscient and omnipotent. “Therefore” all Muhammad’s crimes are really “god’s” crimes!

      Here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:

      “I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”

      – Muhammad –

      Muhammad was really only a con-man and bandit-king, an arch-criminal who always blamed “god” for his own penchant for committing crimes. If Moe got away with committing a crime (and he tried them all, enthusiastically, more than once, but instead of ever showing contrition, bragged about how much fun it was to commit them, and advised everyone else to join in the fun, too), then it was held to be “obvious” that “god” wanted him to get away with having committed those crimes!

      So, simply and precisely because of their “THOU SHALT KILL!” cultural indoctrination, moslems are still from between four and several hundred times more likely to engage in murder and all other crimes, than everyone else in the world!

      So, islam is not a “religion” (at all, much less one “of peace”) nor is it a “race” (at all, much less one of “Poor, Oppressed, People Of Colour”)!

      Obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:

      “God told us to commit these crimes!”

      (Capisce?)!

      😉

  13. Semeru says

    Firstly, the photo with this guy made me cringe before I even started reading.

    I just do not to have anything do with who wear t-shirts or buttons of the Che the Butcher.

    What made me cringe even more was R Spencer,s comment

    I do not agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed

    I do not know much about the constitution, the law or the bible, I may not be able to write to good, But I do know Islam well enough to know that if it is not eradicated, then some where down the line there will be no constitution, no law and definitely no bible. Somewhere down the line 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs your ancestors will be bowing to the East.

    One only has to look at history, Genghis Khan, a confederation of nomadic tribes which had already conquered China now attacked the Muslims. In 1220 they took Samarkand and Bukhara. By mid-century they had taken Russia, Central Europe, northern Iran, and the Caucuses, and in 1258, under Hulagu Khan they invaded Baghdad and put an end to the remnants of the once-glorious ‘Abbasid Empire.

    The mongols had more or less wiped out islam, but the mongols where nomads and did not occupy the cities so islam was able to survive from near extinction, in fact islam is so resilient that it not only recover, but induced the mongols to convert to islam with the conversion of Berke Khan, the grandson of Genghis Khan

    During his travels back towards the Mongol homeland, he stopped in Bukhara where he questioned local Muslims about their beliefs. He was convinced of the message of Islam and converted, becoming the first Mongol leader to accept Islam. After his conversion, many of the soldiers in his army also converted, leading to tension with the other Mongol armies, who were ravaging Muslim lands, including the ancient capital of the Abbasids, Baghdad.

    After hearing of the sack of Baghdad in 1258 by his cousin, Hulagu Khan, Berke promised vengance, declaring, “He (Hulagu) has sacked all the cities of the Muslims, and has brought about the death of the Caliph. With the help of God I will call him to account for so much innocent blood.” By allying with the Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt, Berke managed to hold back Hulagu’s army enough to prevent a major invasion (and destruction) of the remainder of Muslim lands in Egypt, Syria, and the Hijaz.

    So from near obliteration in the mid 1200 the to be feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe a hundred years later when Timur Lanes military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population, leading to a predominantly barbaric legacy.

    If Islam is not stopped now, then things are going to be very dark for our ancestors.

    • Angemon says

      If Islam is not stopped now, then things are going to be very dark for our ancestors.

      Things are going to be very dark to the people who lived before us? Care to explain that?

  14. Semeru says

    “If Islam is not stopped now, then things are going to be very dark for our descendants ”

    • Tradewinds says

      Agree, Semeru:

      “What made me cringe even more was R Spencer’s comment:

      I do not agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed.

      I do not know much about the constitution, the law or the bible, I may not be able to write too good, But I do know Islam well enough to know that if it is not eradicated, then somewhere down the line there will be no constitution, no law and definitely no bible. Somewhere down the line 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs your descendants will be bowing to the East. ”

      ***

      Yes, I believe you’re talking about this fact:

      Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct.

      The above is happening right now in the European countries. Muslim conquest begins with immigration, and the Europeans have let in millions and millions of polygamous over-populating Muslims. Here’s what Gaddafi said about Islam in Europe:

      ‘We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquest. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.’

      If the Europeans want to preserve their historical and cultural identity and heritage they should be deporting Muslims and ending Muslim immigration. Otherwise they’ll all be Muslims in about 100 years.

      • Wellington says

        Tradewinds: Islam may indeed have to be banned in certain nations, as I indicated in my 4:55 P.M., August 3rd post on this thread. But in America this is neither necessary nor constitutionally possible. It is to the matter of American constitutional and statutory law that I was addressing all those who think Islam should be banned in America———ain’t gonna’ happen, nor does it need to.

        I should also note that the United States Supreme Court has made a distinction between “threats” and “true threats,” for instance in the 1969 Watts decision. The former are protected under the First Amendment. The latter are not.

        Reining in Islam in America is quite possible without ever making it illegal. “All” that needs to be done is to identify Islam as a negative and warn all Muslims in America that the breaking of any American law in the name of Islam will be dealt with to the maximum extent of the law. Doing so will be more than sufficient and will serve as a testimony to the power of American liberty to quash all those who would end such liberty, as Thomas Jefferson mentioned in his first inaugural address in 1801.

        • Semeru says

          No wellington, the constution as you describe it is not going the hold islam in check. Islam can take over without breaking any laws. All it need to do is target the schools and universities with dawa, and it generation will slowly but surely become more and more tolerant towards islam until one day islam have gain enough support the either change or abolish the constitution.

  15. Saka says

    Bible endorses
    genocide, from 1 Samuel 15:3: “This is what
    the Lord Almighty says … ‘Now go and strike
    Amalek and devote to destruction all that they
    have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and
    woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel
    and donkey.’ “

    • Tradewinds says

      Oh just can it, Muslim. That episode in the OT was one event, long, long, long, since over.

      Whereas, the Koran contains open-ended, for-all-time, eternal commands to kill the unbelievers until Islam dominates. Jihad is eternal until Islam rules. So much for your “equivalency.”

    • Jovial Joe says

      Notice that the Biblical verse you cite is an historical account, not an open-ended command as you will find in Islamic texts such as ‘kill the unbelievers wherever you find them’. Please learn the difference;
      Islam is not like any other religion; that’s why there have been tens if thousands of terrorist atrocities committed in the name of Islam since 9/11 and next to no Christian attacks.

      • Tradewinds says

        There can’t be any Christian attacks as Christianity never says to kill unbelievers until Christianity rules.

        Only Islam has that directive, called Jihad, courtesy their moon deity, which is really Warlord Mohamet. See: Koran and Hadiths for “Kill the Infidels” commands.

  16. says

    Islamism = Nazism with Religious Rituals

    Both ideologies share numerous major features:
    (1) Their founders created the ideologies to get their followers to kill and die for them.
    • This alone is not enough to condemn Islamism, because the track records of Judaism (e.g. as shown in the Old Testament) and Christianity (e.g. Inquisition, Thirty Years War) were once not much better. The key word is “were” as opposed to “are.” There is only one purported religion that has, during the past couple of hundred years, used theology to justify genocide, rape, and human trafficking.
    (2) Their founders wrote books, Mein Kampf and the Koran respectively, that embody the ideologies and justify aggressive warfare against those deemed inferior. Here is but one of many examples from the latter.
    • Sura 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax [jizya, dhimmi tax] in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
    (3) Both ideologies claim the right to rule the entire world, as in “Today Germany, tomorrow the world” and “Islam will dominate the world.”
    • Here is a video of a demonstration in London where Islamists say they will rule the world, call for the bombing of Denmark, and add that they will take infidel women as war booty. The demonstration adds threats of another 7/7, the terrorist subway bombings in the UK.
    • The context of the Takbir (Arabic for “Allah akbar!”) in this demonstration comes across like the “Heil Hitler!” of the 1930s.
    (4) Both ideologies define their own members as racially or religiously superior Herrenvolk; the Master Race. These are Aryans and the Dar-al-Islam (House of Islam) respectively, and the latter encompasses only the “right” kinds of Muslims.
    (5) Both ideologies define outsiders as Untermenschen (subhumans) whom the Master Race is free to kill, rape, rob, and/or enslave. Nazism defined Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, homosexuals, and Black people as Untermenschen. Islamism’s kafirs or infidels include Jews, Christians, Hindus, Baha’is, and the wrong kinds of Muslims. Sunnis regard Shiites as Untermenschen, and vice versa.
    • Kafirs and infidels are all part of the Dar-al-Harb (House of War), which means Islamism has openly declared war on the entire non-Islamic world. This includes, of course, the wrong kinds of Muslims.
    • ISIS demands the jizya, a tax paid by infidels for the privilege of remaining alive in the Dar-al-Islam, from Christians in Iraq. When the Christians can’t or won’t pay, Islamists rape their female family members. The reference adds that Islamists use Christian women the same way Imperial Japan used Koreans as what they called “comfort women.”
    • Islamists claim, and often exercise, the right to rape infidel women in North America, Europe, and Australia. “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”
    (6) Both ideologies slate certain people for Sonderbehandlung (special treatment, i.e. extermination). The Nazis applied this to special needs children, and here is an example of Sonderbehandlung of gay people in Iran.
    (7) Both ideologies need not honor their agreements with Untermenschen. Examples include Hitler’s violation of his peace agreements, and the Islamist hudna (temporary or phony peace). Hamas has proven itself incapable of honoring its hudnas for more than a few hours.
    (8) Both ideologies identify property of Untermenschen with yellow Stars of David or the Arabic symbol nun (Nazarene, Christian) for expropriation or looting.
    (9) Both ideologies exterminate Untermenschen, and then bury them in mass graves. Nazi concentration camps, mass graves of Armenian victims of the Turkish genocide of 1915, and the current conduct of ISIS are all examples.
    (10) Both ideologies are totally incompatible with civil liberties, and Islamist demonstrators proclaim openly, “Freedom go to Hell.” As shown by Freedom House’s Map of Freedom:
    • Almost all Christian-majority nations outside the former Soviet Union are rated as Free.
    • The world’s only Jewish-majority nation is also the only Free nation in the entire Middle East.
    • The world’s only Hindu-majority nation is the world’s largest democracy.
    • NO Muslim-majority nation is rated better than Partly Free.

    The only significant difference between Nazism and Islamism is, in fact, that Nazism recognized Aryan women as Herrenvolk, while Islamism treats Muslim women as chattel property. Muslim women can be sold by their male “owners,” subjected to female genital mutilation, and stoned to death for adultery if they are raped.

  17. Wellington says

    Semeru: We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think the Constitution is reslient enough to take care of Islam eventually, marginalizing it as America has marginalized other totalitarian ideologies, though this will be the toughest test so far and will take decades yet.

    Besides, even assuming you’re right and the Constitution is not sufficient, there is no way under American constitutional and statutory law to date that Islam can be banned in America. You may think it should be banned in the USA but you will have to provide how this can be done legally, which would entail an entirely different take on the First Amendment by the American judiciary or (theoretically possible) Congressional action against Islam in conjunction with Congress invoking Article III, Section 2 wherby it can remove from review certain of its legislation by the courts.

    • Kumar says

      Nazism is banned in US. Why can Islam be banned? What is difference between ideology, movement and religion?

  18. Wellington says

    The guideline I learned while in law school about free speech in America went something like this: If a person says such and such another person should be killed or such and such a building should be burned down, this is protected speech, but if a person, in conjunction with this invective, starts handing out bullets or torches, then this is not protected and the person can be arrested.

    In other words, statements unaccompanied by action are almost always OK (still, though, can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theatre and claim it is protected speech), but if incendiary statements are accompanied by heinous action, then the First Amendment does not protect this. This is the general rule.

  19. Jay Boo says

    “‘Mein Kampf” should never have been banned any more than the Koran should be banned.”
    ——————–

    Unfortunately, the MSM editors believe that all criticism of Islam and the Koran should be banned.

  20. Jay Boo says

    In reference to article
    “Islam is not a belief alternative, it is just a crime against humanity, and any crime shouldn’t have freedom in our modern world. So, Islam must be declared illegal all over the world, as is Nazism”
    —————–

    Either we force the truth out about Islam beyond PC censorship or ban it outright.

  21. Jay Boo says

    Banning Islam would allow Muslims to play the victim card.
    Revealing Islam is the better option.

  22. PRCS says

    “Revealing Islam is the better option.”

    Correct!

    Banning Islam, in the U.S., is simply NOT going to happen. Nor should it.

    The goal has to be exposing what it really teaches, rather than the misrepresentations and outright lies that Muslims around the world and their pals in politics and media continue to perpetuate.

    That goal cannot begin in Pakistan or Afghanistan or Indonesia or any other Muslim nation.

    It has to begin in western nations.

    Sometimes I think progress is being made. At other times, like when watching Sean Hannity and similarly moronic clowns, I’m not so sure.

  23. Jaladhi says

    Hi Phillip, the time for discussions is over for Islam. It doesn’t deserve any more time – aren’t 1400 years more than enough?? We are a republic doesnt mean that we have death wish for our civilization. The way things are going, it seems we do. To Muslims it doesn’t matter, they don’t believe in anything else besides Islam and here we are again trying to give them all benefits of doubt! And they are taking full advantage it – if anything non-Muslims are censored for speaking the truth whereas Muslims keep playing the victim card!

  24. Ivan Bogdanov says

    Oh sheep with brown spot on nose; return to sheep pen. Your friends require pleasuring.

    More Later….

  25. sujith says

    Phillip , Don’t be dumb Idiot.

    Read my comment Fully , I’ve defined what is and who is to be defined as terror cultist , not just any “cult”

    Islam has survived only because it masquerades as a religion then they get protection under “religious rights” that they do not deserve nor get when they are declared a terrorist cult NOT a Religion.

    Just as HIV virus hides and incubates and spreads itself by pretending to be harmless…….does that mean you should not find a way to identify and destroy their ability to kill the host ?

    your illogic says , we should allow not just HIV but all other such viruses to have “free speech” , “freedom” to do what they please and kill the host ….and we should not take the required action to neutralze them before they kill the host.

    If you stil don’t get it , Islam is the social virus that has infested all western societies…..either you find a way to fight back and save your country ………..or make lame assed excuses and watch your country die (become Islamic )

  26. Angemon says

    Philip Jihadski posted:

    Spencer gets to say whatever he wants and in fact, this is the first, lengthy expression of Robert’s personal opinion that I have seen on ANY article on this site in months and months.

    And it was out of necessity. If he hadn’t outright stated he’s not for the outlawing of islam how long would it take until the usual suspects call a press conference and say “See? We finally have proof that Robert Spencer is a greasy islamophobe, he quoted someone someone saying islam should be outlawed and he didn’t say he was against it”. Minus the part about quoting someone and its derivatives, so it would probably be more along the lines of “Anti-muslim bigot racist islamophobe hater Robert Spencer spews pro-nazi propaganda and calls for outlawing islam”.

  27. umbra says

    Answering your query. The PRC will not think twice before killing any enemy (perceived or otherwise) that threatens them. However, they do not always see killing as the only solution.

  28. Tradewinds says

    Fiqh – I agree. Islam is too much of a mass-murdering menace with it’s Jihad doctrine to be permitted to flourish. The world must save itself from Islam by eradicating it. It’s the only way.

  29. says

    Also, the adherents of Islam are killing us, according to a script of war and terrorism and deceit to cover up that war & terrorism. That should be a game-changer to people who put protection of their societies above their ethical narcissism.

  30. Tradewinds says

    You’re right, sujith. Islam is a death mass-murder cult masquerading as a religion. It should be outlawed.

  31. Wellington says

    Agreed, PJ. When defending freedom, it is imperative that such a defense be accompanied by knowledge and insight. Enthusiasm for the great cause and being right about what is nefarious and what is not nefarious is not enough. Ah, freedom and its preservation demands a lot, no? As it should I might add since it is so precious (and something the Islamic world knows absolutely NOTHING about).

    Always good to hear from you. You know, I don’t think we disagree on much. I prefer it that way. I suspect you do too. Take care, my friend.

  32. Tradewinds says

    The danger is Islam, not any posters on this site, who are all educated and well-informed.

    If Islam is not made illegal, then Jihad will continue to flourish, and the West will continue to have attempted and successful Jihads.

    When you let in Muslims you let in Jihad, the central tenet of their ideology. Just as you let in honor killings and FGM.

    So, how do you get rid of Jihad if you don’t abolish Islam?

    “There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate. And as long as Islam is not, and never can be, moderate, there is a danger that any “moderate” Muslim will become, for any number of reasons out of the control of Infidels, an immoderate Muslim, with all the dangers that implies for the world’s Infidels.” – Ibn Warraq

  33. says

    My my, but you do seem to think you’re entitled to your own facts.

    Issuing death-threats and inciting riots, you admit, are:

    “Again, that is ACTION! The incitement stems from vocalizing, or writing in support of incitement.”

    Yes, in speaking aloud the written words of the Qur’an, one is clearly performing the illegals ACTION of issuing death-threats and inciting vioence.

    Next, it becomes obvious you have very little to no actual legal training at all, to blithely pretend to assert that:

    “This involves the concept of mens rea, tangentially, as well, and why there are different degrees of murder, for example; premeditated murder carries a heavier sentence because mens rea ((intent)) is more easily proved.”

    Sorry, kid, but “murder” is a crime, and ALL crimes must have the component of intent (mens-rea/ ‘guilty mind’) in order to qualify.

    Without intend, a homicide is NOT able to be defined as “murder” at all.
    It could fall into the category of negligence, criminal negligence, or accident, but not strictly speaking, ANY kind of “murder.”

    And accidental/negligent homicides are also graded by degree, but not by intent.

    First degree murder is where it is coldly calculated and planned in advance. Second degree is where you certainly intended to kill your victim, but it wasn’t planned in advance of the encounter itself. After that, even the intent doesn’t natter as much, since it involves defense of one’s self and/or of innocent others, where one may have eventually come to the conclusion that killing the other was one’s only option left to stop them.

    Finally, the action of writing printing and publishing the death-threat hate-crimes of the Qur’an, are also all actions, and so can be banned.

    CASPISCE?

    😉

  34. Wellington says

    Exactly right, Philip. In America, belief is virtually sacrosanct, however heinous that belief may be, but many actions based upon belief are not. In America, punishing action and not thought has been the norm. I for one want it to stay that way (hate crime legislation moves away from this norm and thus is highly unwise, in fact downright stupid and at least a tad Orwellian).

    Besides, Islam isn’t the real problem. The real problem is pretending that Islam is something good. See this damn religion for what it really is, and the Constitution and American law can deal with its more “enthusiastic” adherents quite effectively while its less “devout” members are made to feel the brunt of social ostracization, much as occurred to KKK members, Socialist Worker types, Marxists, anarchists, Aryan Nation reprobates, et al.

  35. says

    PS: I’m also a tad confused by your opening slander, which seems to assert you’ve had some sort of contact with myself on this thread before now:

    “Uncle:

    With respect, I’m going to give it one more time on this thread – after that, I’m giving up. Apparently speaking plain English is not good enough anymore.”

    Either that, or you’re implying you’re so self-important that I MUST have bothered to read through everyone else’s comments here, EXPECIALLY yours, and then close-mindedly decided to ignore them all, before then coming to my own therefore even more close-minded conclusions, when I commented on Robert’s article and then later on the posts of others who were specifically replying to my own initial posts.

    And if that’s the sort of thing that exasperates you, then give your mighty ego a rest, and spare the rest of us your self-indulgent delusive “wisdom.”

    😉

  36. says

    Reading aloud from passages in the Bibles which advocated for SPECIFIC violence, limited in time and place to the land of Israel thousands of years ago (i.e: reading historical *descriptions*) is NOT the same as reading out loud the passages of the Qur’an, which are all officially open-ended *prescriptions* for eternal, global violence (“sic”).*

    And the nazi “ideology” is, exactly like islam, nothing more than an endorsement of crime itself, and while describing criminal ideals is not a crime, advocating for them to be actively applied certainly is.

    CAPISCE?

    *Not sure why you thought my correct spelling of the word “violence” was a typo which deserved your obsessive ‘sic’ appended to it!

    Idiot.

  37. says

    You act like a “kid,” with your ad-hominems and self-centered petulance.

    Did I really need your whiny preface, telling me all about how exasperated you were with everyone else you’d encountered before me on this thread?

    You obviously know nothing about the law, the Bible, nor even the Qur’an.

    You argue from emotion, not facts. In fact, like all criminals, you pretend you are entitled to your own facts, and that the ends justify the means.

    And finally, compared to myself, pretty-much everyone posting anywhere on the entire Internet is a “kid,” chronologically speaking.

    “Pfft!”

    😉

  38. says

    Transmitting one’s criminal beliefs in writing or by vocalizing them, with a view to having others act on them (i.e: by issuing death-threats and/or inciting violence) is a crime, even in America.

  39. sujith says

    your Infantile attempt to defend & give Free Pass to Islam , sharia , jihadists and their supporters ….is precisely why they are winning in every other country except in china…rest are whining and posting on blogs instead of having an effective mechanism to deal with it.

    Ok Genius , Do you have a better alternative to what I suggested in my first post ?

    If you do, let us hear about it.

    If you don’t have an alternative , then stop Aiding the jihadists and Islam to spread their tentacles even more than they already have by this B.S talk about constitutional rights to a terror cult .

    As for the numbers 10 incidents involving terror cult with minimum 1000 dead …its debatable on how many you can allow .

    If you think 1 attack that results in 1 death , then every murderer can be accused under this definition. Its to prevent such misuse that 10 incidents with 1000 deaths were suggested.

    What is your alternative plan to deal with the problem ?

    …or are you going to support them by offering constitutional rights to them to murder another 20,000 ?……or will it be ok to allow them to kill another 1,000,000 ?……

    The stated Aim of the jihadists is to use the constitutional rights to subvert and destroy the country from within.

    And you my dear moron, are the perfect idiot enabling them by offering them constitutional rights to do exactly that.

  40. sujith says

    Unlce Vladdi,

    Thank you for speaking up…:-)……..we are in the mess because we have too many confused useful idiots who end up supporting Islam while claiming to be against its idealogy !

  41. Tradewinds says

    You are so right, Vlad. And your knowledgeable comments about the terrorist organization known as Islam are interesting and informative. I visited your blog.

  42. Angemon says

    voegelinian posted:

    That should be a game-changer to people who put protection of their societies above their ethical narcissism.

    So people who think our societies and values are better and should stand on their own are ” ethical narcissists”, and the way to “protect” our societies of the totalitarian ideology of islam and its thought police is to let go of our ethics and values and replace them with another totalitarian ideology with a thought police. Sounds like a fine plan to me, tovarishch!

  43. DP111 says

    Thanks Peter & PJ

    Many years ago I wrote this on GoV

    The Freedom of the Burqa

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2005/08/freedom-of-burqa.html

    DP111/PD111 are the same.

    We have often complained that PC and liberalism has limited free speech, thus preventing the truth of Islam to come out in the MSM.

    However, the very tools that PC and liberalism use to shut those who criticise Islam, can be turned around with even greater force against Leftists, liberals and Islam.