“We can never convert the 30% of Muslims who demand the introduction of sharia law to the merits of our democracy and secularism. We are now allowing segregation to take place that does not say its name. Rather than veil the face or adopt unimaginable measures in democracy (remigration, forced evictions of the most radical), why not establish a dual system of law in France?”
Unless there is some massive turnaround, this is coming. And then will come the jihad against the rump non-Muslim French state.
“French academic: Create a Muslim state within France to avoid civil war,” Westmonster, November 17, 2017:
A French academic has suggested creating a Muslim state within France in order to prevent a civil war.
Professor Christian de Moliner claims that a second society has formed in France, which he described as: “A branch that wants to settle their lives on religious values and is fundamentally opposed to the liberal consensus on which our country was founded.
“We can never convert the 30% of Muslims who demand the introduction of sharia law to the merits of our democracy and secularism.
“We are now allowing segregation to take place that does not say its name. Rather than veil the face or adopt unimaginable measures in democracy (remigration, forced evictions of the most radical), why not establish a dual system of law in France?”
De Moliner writes that Emmanuel Macron winning the Presidential election will not make the problems disappear, it will only kick the can down the road.
“We will never be able to eradicate the radical Islamism,” he says, adding: “While we are not yet at open war, the faithful of the Prophet are already regrouping in areas sometimes governed by special rules.”
The academic’s ‘solution’ is to create a “state inspired by colonial Algeria and Mayotte of the twentieth century: one territory, one government, but two peoples: the French with the usual laws and Muslims with Qur’anic status (but only for those who choose it).”
“The latter will have the right to vote unlike the natives of colonial Algeria, but they will apply Shariah in everyday life, to regulate matrimonial laws (which will legalize polygamy) and inheritance.”
“They will no longer apply to French judges for disputes between Muslims, but to Cadis. On the other hand, conflicts between Christians and believers will remain the responsibility of ordinary courts.”
“However, this system would involve schools or hospitals reserved for believers and therefore the creation of local committees that will manage them independently. A council of ulemas will fix the religious law, but the autonomy will stop there.”…
Keith says
What a great idea, what a pity he has never studied any history of muslim majority countries. He obviously doesn’t realise it would also legalise child marriage, honour based violence and abduction and forced conversion of non muslims especially young women and girls, at the same time legalising the murder of non muslims within the Islamic areas of France.
Idiotic is what this idea is.
Jan says
WELL SAID ….. he must be part of the cultural marxists that keep closing their eyes for all these minor details specific to islamic rule.
maghan says
Marx thought religion was the OPIATE OF THE PEOPLE. How can any genuine Marxist support Islam?
Frank Anderson says
Islam is the rope that the west is supplying with which it is hanging itself. Like the Communist plan when Hitler took power: “He gets his chance; and when he fails we’ll take over. But he changed the rules.” Eugene Levine’, son of the Communist leader of the Red Revolution of 1919 in Munich, interviewed in Nazis: A Warning from History. They bet wrong once, and maybe again. “Those who cannot remember. . .” Jorge Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905). As Nazism and islam take many goals and elements from the same playbook, what has changed in 100 years to expect a different result? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result. Albert Einstein.
Charles says
Righ, Magham! This Moliner creep is right in the line of French defeatists who bent over backwards and gave France to the Nazis in 1940 to avoid …war. Therefore ushering in immense suffering of the Petain and Laval collaborationists plus wholesale massacre of Workers, Jews, etc. We know who Moliner is working for, along with Macron.
Darryl Kerney says
Tarek Fatah is a self described marxist muslim……
ChristianBosnia says
The murder of non-muslims the West legalized in the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo,when the West acted the Janissary army for Bosnian and Albanian muslims paid by the Saudis.The UN peackeepers in Bosnia were completely useless in Central Bosnia during the war since they just looked how the muslim Army of the Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina executed Croatian civilians,the blue helmets were there and watched,later they went to TV cameras and said they witnessed the murder Croatian civilians and they couldn’t do anything to stop the muslim murderers.In Kosovo those blue helmets watched how Albanian muslims persecuted Serbs,destroyed and desacrated orthodox churches,forced out of their homes and other things which has become a part of the muslim folklore.Instead to protect Serbs,they again went to TV cameras and said they couldn’t do anything to stop the muslim Albanian mobs.Not to mention the unsolved cases of Serbian civilians who first dissappeared and later murdered by Albanians and of course there were the cases of organ harvesting.Now remember that happened in Europe and instead of helping fellow Europeans they choose to help the muslim murderers
Warren Raymond says
Unfortunately, hardly anyone in western Europe at that time knew what was going on in former Jugoslavia. The lame stream media was mostly focused on Milosevic, and no one even mentioned jihad at that time. Of course we know all that now, thanks to the internet, that bin Laden had more than 20.000 fighters in Bosnia, that Clinton bombed the Christian Serbs to show the Muslims how nice we are, that Kosovo was ethnically cleansed & that Bosnia became a jihad fiefdom…. yes, we know that now. We didn’t know it then. The truth was not to be known.
ScottM says
Well..for what its worth..we know know…. Islam – a filthy, rotten, aggressive cancer…
Charles says
But, there is nothing new under the sun: Already France , in the eighth century (?) a huge chunk of territory was given away to cruel invaders, the Vikings, of what is now Normandie (as in North Man). The only difference: those fierce plunderers had no problem with adopting the peaceful teaching of Jesus.
Westman says
More culture relativism garbage. Smart enough to become a professor and too ignorant to realize that his lot and the religious leaders will be high on the “radical” Islamic to-do list. Islam’s fundamentalists are in the Islam-commanded business of forcibly “forbidding” liberalism and are unable to keep to themselves. They are smart enough to start with the sources.
I can envision this “educator” running into a Sharia Patrol and asking, “Aren’t you folks supposed to be in your own area” and figuring out the answer while in the hospital.
This professor thinks he will be able to keep his isolated, violence-free, position in this dual society that he posits. For a reality check, he may wish to review life in the communist “re-education” camps.
It’s only a matter of time before France will either have civil war or succumb to occupation. The EU leadership, a promoter of incompatible immigration, is experimenting with social manipulation for the sake of economics; which, if failing, cannot be undone.
Cicero says
It is not just France that is at risk of civil war.
The non- Muslim British citizens are also boiling with anxiety, consternation and even outrage at the saggressive settling by muslims all over the UK. They especially plonk them selves in mainly white births areas and begin expanding the Muslim population.
The citizens are perplexed but their elected politicians are bending forwards to be shafted.
M says
Maybe he’s floating the idea to bring attention to the real fact which is that Islam is totally incompatible with normal society?
JAT 349 says
When we bend our laws to accommodate islam soon the muslims will bend us to their law.
Kessler says
Society bends for them. A little threat and intimidation is all it takes – they know our principles of tolerance is easily abused and that’s exactly what they do.
To combat the rise of islamofascism, we need to alter our perception of tolerance. But it’s too late. When the next generation of brainwashed snowflakes reach voting age, it will be the final nail in the coffin for our free society. I will keep fighting and spreading the truth, but I do this for my own satisfaction. I know it’s a lost battle
carol says
This guy is a certified creep with a ghost writer. New tricks to tire, desensitize, and confuse the real victims are always being put out there. “Muslims”, as we all know, have bad baggage these days – so this contrary, twisted mutt delights in LICKING THEM UP with flattering expressions like:
“wants to settle their lives on RELIGIOUS” values”
“the FAITHFUL of the PROPHET are already REGROUPING”
“Muslims with QUR’ANIC STATURE…will have the right to vote”
“conflicts between Christians and BELIEVERS” (!!!)
“SCHOOLS or hospitals RESERVED for BELIEVERS…a council of ULEMAS”
You’d almost think de Moliner was writing about something nice, but we must ask:
– How “RELIGIOUS” is the value of being a “believer” in a hateful concept of “god”.
– How virtuous is it to be “FAITHFUL” to a murdering, psychopathic “prophet”.
– How excellent to make sure you’re a “VOTER” – so you can take down your kind host;
– How excellent for the “BELIEVERS” to have their very own schools to be sure the Koran’s hatreds are adhered to in perpetuity. And hospitals run by the Ulema will ensure Sharia sanctified butchery like FGM will continue on helpless girls.
Oh yes, let’s do GIVE AWAY HALF OUR COUNTRIES WITHOUT A FIGHT. We certainly wouldn’t want to be GUILTY of “UNIMAGINABLE measures in a DEMOCRACY like remigration and forced eviction of the most radical.”
Yes, do let’s roll over and play dead so Islam gets its Sharia and our land and de Moliner gets his biscuit.
tired vet says
Unfortunately we reap the whirlwind from 6 decades of liberal takeover of the education system, the media and entertainment. It has turned out generations of brainwashed snowflakes who have no capability for objective critical thought. I do fear that civil war is coming…all across the West…it’s only a matter of time, because I believe there is no turning back from the course our society has taken at the hand of the left.
Budvarakbar says
Paraphrasing a famous quote:
There are no ideas so imbecilic as to not be believe and promoted by an ‘intellectual’!”
t. says
Who said the above quote?
Ronen says
George Orwell
t says
Thanks, Ronen.
Delphi says
Anyone who believes it will stay that way and everyone will be happy and live in peace is totally and utterly stupid.
Advice. Build prisons. Lots of them.
David A says
Yes, incredibly inane. “We can never convert the 30% of Muslims who demand the introduction of sharia law”
What does this fellow think the other 70 percent of Muslims will demand once a Shariah legal system is accepted?
Joe says
If the other 70% don’t demand it, they will be murdered.
Savvy Kafir says
Prisons aren’t the answer. Mass deportation is the answer, if Europe is going to survive.
Delphi says
Oh, I can think of one. Bulld a wall. Cut off the money. Cut off the power, the food, the water, the inflow of people in and out…
BC says
This would be an astounding victory for Islam in France, all the Islamists would gravitate to the new state and by excess breeding over the infidel population would in time become the most powerful political part of France, The tail wagging the dog in fact. Also how would the infidel inhabitants of the new state feel about having to migrate to other areas or live as dhimmis under Muslim control. Does he think extending the power of Islam by creating for it a new state will make them behave any differently? No it would just encourage them in their mission to take over more territory
roger woodhouse says
This is just another symptom of the West’s refusal to first acknowledge the mistake it made in allowing such a wicked and incompatible’culture’into Europe and then doing nother to enforce its integration and protection to those wishing to.Of course its all too late now and the people of Europe must now suffer the consequences of these cowardly lefty politicians.Civil war is becoming inevitable.These see no evil hear no evil leftwing virtue signallers are criminally responsible.
roger woodhouse says
As there is no oil to be found in France just wbich part of that country would be viable for muslims to occupy and what could they produce in sufficient quantity to sell to the rest of Europe.?I ask because nowhere on the planet have muslims been able to survive without huge financial backing.The only thing they are good at exporting and have huge quantities of are young men who are useless at anything other than sexually molesting white women
J D S says
For Sure….. radical Islamism can be eradicated….but…one must have the will to do it… Oh well, maybe not in France, or maybe not even in Europe. Those countries have probably waited too long and have become like rabbits facing a crippled coyote…still unable to run fast enough. iN the U.S. there is still a chance….IF ONE HAS THE WILL.
Salomon says
Two states for two people!
Gerry Burnie says
Anyone who thinks that the Islamists will be satisfied with just sharia law is dreaming in technicolour. Islam will not be satisfied until it has taken over the west like creeping leprosy. Moreover, western politicians seem to be aiding and abetting them every step of the way.
mike9a says
Conquest of EU almost finished.
I wonder about leftists says
Sir, you consider this an academic solution? I had hoped you would be wiser by now. You think if you created a state in your State of France, that muslims will nicely stay within their own country?
When their money is finished or they are in need of anything, they will simply over run you. And when you don’t want to give it to them, you got a war [civil or not] on your hands.
All you had to do from the beginning is to keep them by the laws of your own country, you don’t want that,
out, you go !!! You are our guest here and you have to behave as one. You should not have given them a branch passport right away and you should not have brought them right away in your governments.
It will come to a point…….. you blew it, we are the islamophobes, the politically incorrect, etc. No sir,
your governments were cowards and sold us out. Too late now, and your academic plan will not solve anything. and the more you try to take away our freedom of speech, the more the snowball is going to roll. The truth will come out anyway. Pls think for yourself. I am amazed every day more of what you people still believe in. Incredible !
Jan says
BRAVO !!!!
katherine says
This is your typical cloistered ‘armchair academic’ who has never done any real-world research. He certainly has no idea about the history of secular nations that have fallen to Islam – or perhaps he actually understands the machinations of Islamic takeovers but has been paid to facilitate the process.
Has he ever lived in the front-line countries for a reasonable time (years) to appreciate the undercurrents of political manoeuvres to install Sharia ? The whole process is subtle in the right hands with the Muslim leaders actually persecuting violent terrorists while supporting hate-preachers and financing a burgeoning Islamic administration . Unusually the EU situation is catastrophic – less than 10% of the population forcing Islamic practice on the ignorant populace who keep voting in political cowards to appease the violators with increasingly beneficial rights – even to the detriment of their own citizens.
Anyway he looks far too young to have spent any time at all in Lebanon, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Israel, Nigeria, Kenya etc. : neither is he receptive to the more open albeit enmity-filled discussions in Australia and the US .
He is blind to the fact that the Muslims want the whole of France and not just the right to peaceful coexistence in an enclave. The same pattern of covetous militancy is apparent in Rakhine-Myanmar, Acheh-Indonesia, Mindanao-Philippines, Zamfara-Nigeria and of course Gaza-Israel .
Whichever enclave they control inevitably becomes a convenient military and ideological base to influence and infiltrate the remainder. This cult of Islam has an obligation to Satan to take over.
eduardo odraude says
The professor suggests a two-state solution for peace. But that would seem to have about as much chance in France as it’s had in Israel. The ‘Palestinians’ want Israel to disappear entirely. Likewise, a sharia state within France would presumably be populated by people who would start demanding the whole of France as soon as the sharia territory was established. The professor is likely mistaken in thinking that some secure cultural, political, and legal boundary could be set up between the two domains he proposes. In practice, all his proposal would do is legalize the use of Islamic law within a part of France, without preventing the slow Islamization of the rest of France and other parts of Europe. On the other hand, if civil war is in fact inevitable, I suppose there might possibly be some strategic benefit to the true France if prior to the war, the sharia-compliant part were to withdraw to a territory given to it as its own.
eduardo odraude says
This professor’s proposal should make clear to everyone that the warnings people like Robert Spencer have been making for years about the Islamization of Europe were not alarmist or far-fetched, but prescient and on target.
dumbledoresarmy says
The professor is proposing a Partition of France… exactly like the Partition of *India*, which took place at the same time, and for exactly the same reasons, as the Partition of *’Palestine’. Because of the greed and zero-sum mentality of Muslims.
t. says
It’s not only this supposedly academic but many of his peers, all over the west, seem to be doing their research in a vacuum, not in the real world!
This goes a long way to show that today’s higher education and raw intelligence don’t necessarily translate into real wisdom and clear vision!
Fred says
“It’s not only this supposedly academic but many of his peers, all over the west, seem to be doing their research in a vacuum, not in the real world!”
The vacuum is in their heads.
roger woodhouse says
They already have a ‘homeland’.Its called Saudi Arabia.Ship those who wish to retain their ‘roots’there immediately.
WPM says
Saudi Arabia exports hate Imans , builds Mosques , bank rolls terror groups all over the world but will not take any of the “refugees” in .Saudi Arabia leaders I am sure have many western leaders on speed dial to ask for favors after the suitcases of money are drop off .Saudi Arabia if it did not have oil they would be a third world shithole with many tribes fighting among themselves using machetes and rusty AK 47 .The question how do you know your in a Moslem major country
1- Everyone is angry
2-Everyone blames the Jews for their own short comings
3-They have to bring in non believers to get anything to work right or get thinks done
4-There is no nationalism only Tribe rule of law
5-The tribes all believe they are the best of people the people in the other tribe next {village} country are not really Moslem.
6-They all profess a great hate for the Western countries ,but all want to immigrate there
7-All the women live in fear of violence committed against them especial from close family members.
8-Rape is a major hobby of adult males if women cannot be found animals are acceptable as long as the are killed properly and meat sold in the next village over.
9-Christains are a good source of income by extortion or by gaming their welfare system, after you bankrupt the Christians you can kill them. It is great Islamic sport their {Western leaders} are easily bought, and their college professors easily fooled.
10-After you deflower ,pillage , destroy a country and a people you move to the next country to start the same plan of action.
11-Repeat process over 1400 years
Savvy Kafir says
Yes. Any Muslim who is not happy living in a secular society where human rights are enforced should be deported.
Carolyne says
Could the French tolerate a state within a state where women are persecuted and forced to wear garbage bags, children are raped in accordance to their holy book? Where hands and feet are lopped off and where innocents are stoned to death? If so, you have lost your humanity.
Petrouchka rising says
It’s right out in the open now. Show this to everyone who scoffed at the idea that no-go zones and self-isolated immigrant communities even existed in the first place. Very scary.
eduardo odraude says
Yes, I make a similar point in my 9:59 pm comment above.
Perhaps the time will come when the friends and family I have now and then tried to alert about Islam will be surprised to find that I was not crazy but ahead of the pack.
Infidel says
Hear hear
Darryl Kerney says
why not separate nazi and communist States while they’re at it too ?
after all that would be just as “fair” wouldn’t it ?
and don’t the cannibal head hunters deserve their own State too ?
dhans says
Excellent point. We could move the author and leftists to the Islamic region so they can gain a more personal insight to the true nature of islam.
Darryl Kerney says
What the academic is suggesting equals partial Submission, which of course can only lead to full Submission.
mortimer says
Professor Christian de Moliner is rather well informed about the workings of a discriminatory Sharia society, but what not just pay all these people to leave France. It would be much cheaper to send them to a former French colony without the chance of return. Let all the Islamists enjoy their Sharia paradise somewhere in Saharan Africa.
mortimer says
correction: why not just pay all these people to leave France?
eduardo odraude says
Assuming the political hurdles could be overcome (a big assumption), it would be incredibly expensive. What would a Muslim person with citizenship in France accept as compensation for giving up that citizenship and going to live elsewhere? It would depend on where they had to go. If for most of them the only option were some Second World or Third World country, and one wanted to get, say, ten million to leave France voluntarily, one would probably have to offer each one, on average, the equivalent of perhaps a half a million dollars. 10,000,000 x $500,000 = $5,000,000,000,000, or 5 trillion dollars. That’s about double the whole GDP of France. Yet if it were politically possible, it would probably be worth it. But even if it were far far less costly, it would be politically impossible, at least as things are now.
eduardo odraude says
Leaving aside the political impossibility — a massive, paid, voluntary exit program might be logistically (and financially?) possible if spread out over a decade.
roger woodhouse says
Not neccesary to pay any muslim to leave if they willingly sign a document pleading allegiance to the state and denouncing of their evil anti democratic religion.The banning of mosques would also encourage emigration of those who cannot live without one.Its quite simple.Al that is required is the will and of course the right people to carry it out.
J D S says
OH NO mortimer!!!They would just load up and move to America.
katherine says
That will probably be French Guyana where they can have a fine base from which to destroy South America. There’s even a ready-built launch pad to lob nukes at US and France.
Obscura says
Australia is one of the most progressive and developed countries in the world. Before the British Empire sent colonists and convicts to Australia, it was one of the least developed areas of the planet where humans actually lived.
I think the French should follow this model. Find a place where chaos is rife, there’s opportunity for development and needs an influx of people to go in and build a country worth living in. Send the hundreds of thousands of petty criminals, those capable of reform, there to rebuild the country. Imprison for life those incapable of reform or have committed heinous crimes such as rape, murder, assault, robbery, drug trafficing, mutilation, arms traffiking, extremist financing and sharia enforcement.
Now where in the world today is chaos ride and needs people to go in and rebuild? – How about Syria?
gravenimage says
I would not wish being sent to Syria on any petty criminals. They don’t deserve this.
It would be unlikely that they could reform these violent Muslims.
tedh754@gmail.com says
Who cares if they “reform” as long as they are gone.
Michael Copeland says
“Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit…?”
“Battle, animosity, and hatred — directed from the Muslim to the infidel — is the foundation of our religion.”
Osama bin Laden:
ChristianBosnia says
Instead of creating its own Kosovo,how about the French follow the example of Russia and China which have to use extreme methods to quell the muslim uprisings Chechnya and Xinjiang.But France was one of the first countries to recognize the illegal Republic of Kosovo which almost a decade after its illegal independence is one of the worst run countries in Europe with a mafia government and a hub for Islamic terrorism,not to mention that the percetage of Serbs has become so low that they are only a majority in only four municipalities in Northern Kosovo.The French don’t learn what happens when the muslim population increases,from a tiny minority they grow in a population ready to conduct an intifada on a soil of a non-muslim country.But the professor shouldn’t say such stupid things,because France very soon will join the likes of India,Serbia,Thailand,Israel,Phillippines,Russia,China and others who experienced a muslim separatist insugercy,in short France will get its own Kosovo and it will rue the day when they recognized the illegal state of Kosovo which is one of the examples what muslim separatism can do to a non-muslim country
gravenimage says
ChristianBosnia, I’m afraid that Russia and China are doing a great deal to appease Islam, themselves. China exempted Muslims from the One Child Policy and allows them to carry knives, which they often use against non-Muslim Chinese. And Russia has allowed the building of a meg-Mosque right in Moscow, which Putin opened alongside Erdogan and Abbas. Even worse, it has enabled a nuclear Iran and allowed Chechnya to become a Shari’ah state.
I’m afraid the idea that Russia and China are consistently tough on Islam is mistaken.
Wellington says
Fully seconded, gravenimage.
Indeed, authoritarian regimes like Russia and China are tough on Islam only to the extent that Islam threatens their authoritarianism and NEVER in the cause of freedom, something all those relentlessly critical of America and the West over generations and centuries, to this very day, remain utterly clueless of.
Kepha says
When I was vice consul in Guangzhou, the Uighur colony behind the train station was a no-go one for a totalitarian regime’s police. Go figure. Then again, with Han people, some of those people out in the countryside would murder public health officials who got too zealous about the one-child policy–and those folks are not Muslim at all. County magistrates would explain multiple-child families on the street to abnormal rates of multiple births; the kids lined up like stairs to uneven development in the womb. They probably figured that the local cops were kin to peasants having second and third and fourth children, and would probably know perfectly well whodunit when a health official disappeared , but for the sake of kin, would obfuscate and claim no evidence.
The fact of the matter is that sooner or later, a totalitarian system or dictatorship breaks down somewhere somehow. Your choices are thus find some way to institutionalize limited government, or face chaos when the inevitable “falling apart” happens.
Chand says
Russia and China uses both the carrot and the stick. They appease at times and are also tough. China banned the Ramadan fasting two years ago, in Xinjiang.
What else can they do? They cannot completely ban Islam as it will immediately feed into the Jihadi narrative that all Muslims are being targeted. Stalin and Mao thus had to ban all religions but those days are gone.
eduardo odraude says
There was a story in the news recently about China banning the Qur’an, was there not? Wilders apparently wants to ban it. I can see banning the parts of it that call for violence and for war on unbelievers, since it is not just a historical book but a very live incitement to illegal violence today. The First Amendment does not protect direct incitement to violence.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
LIFE comes FIRST. Then FREEDOM.
dhans says
“LIFE comes FIRST. Then FREEDOM”
You have that backwards. Without freedom, you have no life. That’s why we hate islam.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Keep an eye on this news site, it has a lot of stories coming out of Xinjiang:
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur
Sam says
India went through this kind of partition. The Islamists got their Pakistan. It did not bring peace to Hindus, Budhists and Sikhs. There’s been non stop attack by Pakistan (sometimes overtly via military, sometimes tribal attack, sometimes through terrorists) and a non stop demand for more and more land to be given to Pakistan. Meanwhile, the non muslims in Pakistan have almost been annihilated.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1340051
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/suhag-a-shukla-esq/growing-up-hindu-in-pakistan_b_1449374.html
France will have the same fate if this idea is carried through.
WPM says
+1
I was thinking the same thing right now in the Philippines you have Islamic rebels fighting for over 100 years for their own state. The Philippines to there credit will not grant it because they know it will not bring peace.
In other places in Asia, Africa, Islam is looking to push ,steal , bully the local natives out of their culture religion , laws ,and in the end their lives. Places like Western Europe and North America are easier targets I am ashamed to say are some what easier targets because of left wing useful idiots holding places of power in colleges and government . We have only to look to the middle East the longest strong hold of Islamic power to see the failure it is ,its main export is not real oil it is racist hate of the non -moslem .
ChristianBosnia says
Chechens are battling the Russians since the late 19th Century when Russians conquered the Northern Caucasus and even the period of the USSR couldn’t pacify the Chechens.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Sam. This surrender to Islam and ceding of territory just further emboldens supremacist Muslims.
Hugo Hackenbush says
Will the new “state-within-a-state” be called “Vichystan”?
ChristianBosnia says
It will be Kosovo 2,but they have to give a name for Kosovo 2.Northern Algeria maybe?
Hugo Hackenbush says
Or will it be called Zoophilastan? (see the JihadWatch pony article) Or perhaps Psychopathistan? How about Pedophilistan? Certainly at least Ephebophilistan!
mortimer says
I like ‘Psychopath-istan’ … similar in meaning to ‘Berzerkistan’.
Slogan: ‘Come to Psychopathistan, home of Kafirophobia.’
Wellington says
This man is a fool of fools and I will invoke Abraham Lincoln here to sustain my point. Lincoln in the late 1850’s, shortly before he became President (and saved his nation and at the cost of his life), said that America could not go on living half free and half slave, that one or the other would eventually rule everywhere (following the Supreme Court Dred Scott decision of 1857, this made perfect sense for Lincoln to maintain, the details of which I will not enter into here).
Yes, Lincoln, exceedingly sapient and shrewd man that he was (frankly, while I have come across a few wise and clever men and women in history as wise and clever as Lincoln, I have never come across anyone more wise and clever in all of history than America’s 16th President), grasped that a duality between freedom and non-freedom cannot co-exist indefinitely. And so is it the same with the Western world (which pioneered freedom as no other civilization remotely has) and the Islamic world (which has stultified freedom as few other civilizations remotely have). Thus, one Christian (and how bitterly ironic is his first name, no?) de Moliner, would do well to study Lincoln’s life and words. But what are the chances, eh?
Freedom or not freedom. Forget the duality nonsense. It’s one or the other. Lincoln knew this. De Moliner is nothing more than a foolish appeaser of that force, Islam, which is a mortal enemy of freedom, contra Lincoln who had nothing but contempt for Northerners who made excuse after excuse for a duality that was rooted in nonsense and profoundly inimical to liberty. My God, this is so clear that only fools or worse will not see this. Unfortunately, fools abound. So do the “worse.” And thus, as usual, the best of what man can produce is held hostage to the worst which man has wrought. Has always been this way. Sadly, it probably always will be.
commonsense says
Eloquent, poignant, and penetrating comment, certainly one of your best posts.
mortimer says
At least Professor Christian de Moliner is ADMITTING THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM, something other academics are afraid to do.
He has correctly identified the problem (imho), but his proposed solution would lead to a terrorist hub for all of Europe.
The French army would have to invade it and clean it out eventually at a great cost. Professor de Moliner is thinking out loud and needs to think further.
France should aggressively begin to deprogram Muslims using the school system, internet, films, TV, radio, journals, etc. A HUGE PROPAGANDA EFFORT to eliminate Islam as an ideology.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, you are correct that at least Professor de Moliner is admitting the size of the problem–but his solution is to surrender to Islam.
You are right that such a Muslim state would be nothing but a base for waging violent Jihad against all of Western Europe.
As for the rest, I would *love* to see France and other Western nations openly defend Western freedoms and expose the threat of Islam–but this would do more to wake up Infidels–an important aim, and Jihad Watch’s main raison d’être–but would do little to “deprogram Muslims” Why would they care what the “filthy Infidels” have to say?
Chand says
mortimer says: “France should aggressively begin to deprogram Muslims using the school system, internet, films, TV, radio, journals, etc. A HUGE PROPAGANDA EFFORT to eliminate Islam as an ideology.”
Not possible anymore. Too late. As soon as one mentions ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslims’ with regard to problems with the Koran or the Prophet the flag of ‘Islamophobia’ will automatically spring up, turning most Muslims against any such govt. programs.
Unless a far right govt. comes to power.
gravenimage says
Fine post, Wellington.
t. says
+1.
eduardo odraude says
Wellington,
I love Lincoln and put him about at the same level as you do, and I agree with your post, though were it my post I’d change a part, where you say “he had nothing but contempt for Northerners who made excuse after excuse for a duality that was rooted in nonsense and profoundly inimical to liberty…” My impression is that there was hardly anyone for whom Lincoln “had nothing but contempt.” Despite whatever imperfections he had, I would say the evidence goes to show that he was too kind-hearted and generous for that. As I imagine you’ll agree, Lincoln’s unusually kind disposition has been well and thoroughly documented from his life, including from the period long before he became president. And of course admiration for Lincoln’s unusual kindness, brilliance, and practicality is not remotely like the hero worship that sycophants motivated by terror and greed render to dictators. This last point perhaps needs to be made (though not to you, since you know it already) because there are one or two terrible, popular books about Lincoln that grotesquely distort evidence in order to do a superficially plausible hatchet job on the man. To see the distortions, it is only necessary to look with some thoroughness at the primary sources, which I’ve done. As for secondary sources, virtually all the serious and reasonably honest scholarship — I’ve seen a great deal of it — paints a picture of Lincoln as a truly remarkable man — someone who discovered how to free the slaves without capsizing the Constitution. He loved the Declaration of Independence statement that “all mean are created equal,” because it meant self-government, which he loved so much he was prepared to die for it. He understood that slavery, while not against the letter of the Constitution of that time, was against the spirit of the Constitution, since that spirit is one of free contract. And he is endlessly fascinating, because of how he put an almost Machiavellian political genius at the service of the highest ideals, which grew from a quality of lovable moral simplicity within him. Right before he gave the two-minute Gettysburg Address (which in some respects is reminiscent of Pericles’ funeral oration, yet entirely new), a famous speaker of the time had given the crowd at Gettysburg a two-hour speech. Then Lincoln spoke the Gettysburg Address. Later tge preceding speaker would say that his own two-hour speech had said less than Lincoln had managed to say in two minutes. Though Lincoln did not write much, he is one of America’s greatest writers.
Wellington says
I think you are right, eduardo. I should have said something to the effect that Lincoln had contempt for the idea that excuses for slavery had merit but not necessarily for the person putting forth such an idea. As America’s greatest President himself observed, one can hate the sin without hating the sinner.
Goutam says
If you start giving an inch to the Islamic savages, then remember their will be no end to it. France is preparing a civilisational disaster if it walks the path of Islamic ghetto state. From a ghetto state, it will not take long for the Jihadi cannibals to start a holocaust of the white French.
Frank Anderson says
Goutam, It looks to me like the French have already given more than an inch, but several miles. With dozens, or more, no-go zones, there is already a ghetto state,
Benedict says
“A French academic has suggested creating a Muslim state within France in order to prevent a civil war.” –
A Muslim state within France would just be the next step towards a civil war.
Stop Kafirophobia says
Eggsactly, Benedict.
gravenimage says
+1
Santa Voorhees says
“The academic’s ‘solution’ is to create a “state inspired by colonial Algeria and Mayotte of the twentieth century: one territory, one government, but two peoples: the French with the usual laws and Muslims with Qur’anic status (but only for those who choose it).”
The French with the usual laws and the Muslims with Qur’anic laws….. hmmm….. so, does it mean that the French will go on as usual while muslims will kill each other in France like they’ve done in the ME for 14 centuries?
Thinking about it it wouldn’t be so bad….
Anyway, here’s a better idea: kick them out and send them where Sharia is the law of the land.
The fact that he recognized that a civil war is coming in the first place means that muslims are the problem, not the so-called far right islamophobes which the Left pretends to see as the real threat.
Jim says
Sounds like he was to permanently establish those non-existent No-Go zones.
mortimer says
The proposal of Professor Christian de Moliner would simply create a French equivalent of the Gaza Strip, a region where terrorists can go and hide and fire rockets into France.
It would be better to put de Moliner’s alleged 30% of Muslims into an already-existing Muslim country or into several of them. Just offer them a free one-way trip to Islamic paradise OUTSIDE of French territory!
Jack Diamond says
and if they won’t go?
They are in Europe for a reason.
Danforth says
30%??? Really?
Start the civil war now before it is too late!
Any country with less than 10% Muslims will back you up with their military. Knowing what is in store for them if they don’t support France.
Do it NOW!
mortimer says
Danforth, imho, France already has a civil war, but is keeping the lid tightly over it.
It may explode this summer or next summer. Meanwhile, no one is trying to deprogram Muslim terrorists or create counter-propaganda or psychological warfare to defeat the Islamists.
Mindlessly, repeating ‘Islam is peace’ just makes the Islamic terrorists howl with laughter. They know the 164 jihad verses in the Koran that say otherwise.
Darryl Kerney says
mortimer or gi,
can you answer a question for me ?
i know i have read it in the quran but can’t remember where,
that merely rejecting or opposing islam actually constitutes an act of war and justifies “defensive” jihad,
what sura says that ?
gravenimage says
Hi, Darryl. I’m not sure which specific Sura you mean, but I hope one of these is helpful:
Qur’an (8:38-39) – “Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven… And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”
Qur’an (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Qur’an (9:5) “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)…”
Qur’an (9:56-57) – “And they swear by Allah that they are most surely of you, and they are not of you, but they are a people who are afraid (of you). If they could find a refuge or cave or a place to enter into, they would certainly have turned thereto, running away in all haste.”
This last refers to people living with the Muslim tribe who may not be true believers, but must pretend to be in order to survive.
All of these make clear that merely failing to submit to Islam is grounds for violence and warfare.
Darryl Kerney says
thanks gi, i looked through those ones as well, still not what i’m looking for, what i read a while ago made it clear that simply not accepting islam was grounds for waging “defensive” war, really wish i could find it again.
gravenimage says
Muslims are already waging war against Infidels in France. This professor is just concerned that they might start fighting back.
Terry Gain says
Sorry France is on its own, as it should be.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid a Shari’ah state in the heart of Europe would endanger us all, even if you care nothing for the French.
Delphi says
Yes. They have decent nukes. We need to bail france out, the nation of story of O and surrender monkies. Doesn’t it suck? But, we need to.
eduardo odraude says
They’ve also had some f’ing magnificent painters. Plus I like the French. Anyway I’m one-quarter French, so I’ll stick up for my fellow frogs!
John Hawk says
Yes of course. Surrender is the answer. When did French cows start producing soy milk?
Monty says
Islam won’t settle for a part of Europe. They are intent on taking all of it. And why not? Western Europe has already shown that it is bent on committing cultural suicide. All Muslims have to do is wait. They will gain Europe by the simple method of outbreeding the locals.
tim gallagher says
I agree with your comment, Monty. Supremacist Islam is out to take over the whole non-Muslim world. It always has been for 1400 years. Great comment also by John Hawk. “Yes of course. Surrender is the answer.” Yep, that’s the answer alright. Just cave in to the MUslim invaders. It’s insane. The answer was, of course, to have woken up to Islam’s evil intentions years ago, had the guts to stop all Muslim migration into non-Muslim nations and kick out the Muslims that are already fouling up the non-Muslim nations. We are facing very bleak futures. In many nations, only very tough action against the MUslim enemy can save the non-Muslim populations. What a pathetic, gutless weasel this academic is. So abject in his surrender, although, as someone mentioned above, at least he’s admitting there’s a problem with Muslims. Some others refuse to admit even that. I look at Australia, where I live, and I think that our rotten politicians must have somehow decided it was too peaceful, too boring a place, so they decided to let in Muslim migrants. Now, it’s a far worse and more dangerous country than it used to be 30 or so years back. It’s been a disaster. Such idiots our politicians have been and most still are. As you say, Monty, it looks like the Muslims will win over time in Western Europe.
Chand says
tim gallagher says: “……..stop all Muslim migration into non-Muslim nations and kick out the Muslims that are already fouling up the non-Muslim nations”
No liberal democratic country is capable of doing that just by the very fact of being liberal and democratic. Muslims cannot be singled out for discriminatory laws. Islam cannot be singled out as a religion to be banned. Nor the Koran and other Islamic texts.
Unless the country ceases to be liberal and democratic. Become a fascist or communist dictatorship, in other words. Or a Caliphate……………………..
Liberal democracies have to keep admitting refugees and immigrants, irrespective of race, color or religion. The very basis of their laws will prevent attempts to prevent it, as was seen in the difficulties in the States to implement Trump’s Muslim visa bans.
One cannot claim to be liberal-democratic and then legally discriminate.
The only other solution is to officially brand Islam as a dangerous political movement/cult/fascist ideology etc. and no longer as a religion. How will that happen? The UN might need to do this?
Pipe dreams…………………………………………………..
eduardo odraude says
I agree with all you say, Chand, but have hope that, because Islam is an aggressive, expansionist, totalitarian political ideology, common sense will somehow find ways for liberal democracy to resist, though it will take time. Perhaps some liberal democratic states will not survive. But as the true cliche says, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. So there is hope.
Against pessimism, we should also keep in mind what David Wood has pointed out: We are the first generation in the world that has had complete access to the core Islamic texts and that has been able to disseminate detailed knowledge of those texts globally. At no time in the whole of its history has Islam had so much light exposing it for what it is. Ali Sina, Mosab Hassan Yousef, and others suggest that Islam will disappear much faster than most people suspect, because of the light blasting it. How many secret apostates are there in the Islamic world? Is it possible that the Islamic world is becoming looser, freer, less Islamic, and secretly more Christian or atheistic?
tim gallagher says
Unfortunately, you’re probably right, Chand. However, I believe all the liberal, democratic nations are fighting for their survival against Islam, a vicious, totalitarian ideology, which naturally exploits the gentler, more civilised non-Muslim countries. If enough of the populace of the western nations wake up, get angry and vote in tough, conservative politicians, our western way of life may survive. I like the tough attitude towards Islam of Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic and I know many other commenters here on Jihad Watch also are impressed by those nations” leaders. If the more liberal nations don’t toughen up, they won’t survive. I feel fairly pessimistic about the western countries waking up in time. Eduardo, I hope, like you, that David Wood is right about how this generation is the first to be able to take a hard, clear-eyed look at the evil basic texts of Islam. I hope Ali Sina and the others are right and Islam collapses. That would be great for the human race.
Linnte says
We here know that Islam is both a religion and a Governmental System. Because of this duality, our own government CAN make a determination of Islam on which parts are Government and REMOVE any First Amendment rights for that part of Islam. The Governmental System of Islam is subversive to our Constitution, no different than Communism.
If our Political Leaders truly learned about the ideology of Islam, MOST of it could be banned, including their Qur’an, as this book is what calls for the subjugation of all non Muslims. But there in lies the PROBLEM for our Government! It’s my belief that they know this full well, but they are terrified to take a stand because so many Americans are clueless about the goal of Islam and that proclaimation banning Islam would cause Civil War and world wide ramifications.
So, the answer is inevitably, Civil War.
Chand says
Well, eduardo odruade and tim gallagher, I too hope that the light of reason erodes away the dangers of Islam and the Koran and as an atheist I definitely want Muslims to renounce and convert to scientific materialism — humanism.
LeftisruiningCanada says
:No liberal democratic country is capable of doing that just by the very fact of being liberal and democratic. Muslims cannot be singled out for discriminatory laws.”
I’m not sure i can completely agree with that statement. While it is true that a certain strands of ‘liberal’ thought (the one most influenced by socialist ideals) finds little basis for protecting itself from harmful immigration, indeed it rushes headlong towards such actions, there are other ways in which truly liberal democracies can act with self preservation in mind.
Australia up until recently was quite selective in who was allowed entry. Today those policies would be called racist. They still operate a sound policy of not allowing asylum seekers onto the mainland until their application is complete.
If Europe had taken even those simple measures, things would be very different now.
But, that would have required a different political philosophy at a foundational level, rather than the open borders international socialism that seems to be their main guiding principle.
gravenimage says
French academic: Create an Islamic state within France to avoid civil war
“We can never convert the 30% of Muslims who demand the introduction of sharia law to the merits of our democracy and secularism. We are now allowing segregation to take place that does not say its name. Rather than veil the face or adopt unimaginable measures in democracy (remigration, forced evictions of the most radical), why not establish a dual system of law in France?”
………………………………….
So Professor Christian de Moliner is horrified by the prospect of deporting Jihadists, but is fine with ceding part of civilized France to these barbarians, and seeing them flogging those who criticize Islam and stoning rape victims to death? *Ugh*.
More:
“We will never be able to eradicate the radical Islamism,” he says, adding: “While we are not yet at open war, the faithful of the Prophet are already regrouping in areas sometimes governed by special rules.”
………………………………….
In other words, “No Go Zones”, and those “special rules” are brutal Shari’ah.
And he characterizes *30%* of Muslims to want the imposition of Shari’ah law.
Many Anti-Jihadists assume that when it is no longer possible for Westerners to ignore the savagery of Islam that they will all fight back.
Many will–most, I hope. But there will be ones like this appalling dhimmi tool who will just appease Islam the more. *Ugh*.
Terry Gain says
The fact that France (and all western nations) cannot convince Muslims to embrace democracy is as obvious as 2+2 =4. The only way to deal with Islamic imperialism is to ban all Muslim immigration – something I have been advocating for 5 years.
gravenimage says
Yes–barbaric Muslims do not belong in the civilized West.
eduardo odraude says
In a strange way, this scholar might deserve credit. He might not be the dhimmi he seems. Could it be that there is a kind of Socratic irony hidden in his proposal? Socrates often adopted a pose of naive acceptance of the claims of people with whom he was conversing, and then Socrates would in an apparently ‘naive’ way draw out the consequences of those claims, which consequences would then appear obviously absurd. Thus Socrates would in an apparently innocent way expose the falsehood of the claim. Perhaps this French academic’s “proposal” is in fact a way of appearing to accept where France is in fact already headed. He pretends he is offering a proposal, but he is perhaps actually trying to wake people up to the direction things are going on their own, what with all the no-go zones. And so he doubles down on the already existing trend and turns it into an active proposal where the end result can be very clearly envisaged. Surely he knows that his proposal, to the extent it becomes known in France, could wake people up to where current trends are headed in France? Surely he knows that such a disturbing and shocking vision might provoke strong resistance to the actualization of the vision?
But I realize this interpretation of the scholar is almost certainly wrong. No doubt he thinks there is nothing that can be done about the Islamization trend in France and his proposal is sincerely intended as just that: a proposal he thinks should be realized.
eduardo odraude says
corrections to my 3:19 am comment:
“wake people up to the direction things are going on their own”
should read
“wake people up to the absurd direction things are going”
Also:
“this interpretation of the scholar”
should read
“what I am suggesting”
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
This dhimmi academic doesn’t even realize it would be worse if there was an Islamic State within France.
MFritz says
Even better – turn the whole of France into an islamic state! Or does this idiot really think they will stop after you give them HALF of the kingdom?
Jack Diamond says
Shouldn’t this be an argument for deporting the 30% {sic} who absolutely do not belong in France?
Instead it’s an admission of defeat, that the surrender of France to barbarians is something inevitable. C’est la vie, er, inshallah.
The Professor cannot be such a fool as to believe the Muslims would ever just stop there, or would take such a craven, cowardly act as anything but a sign to go for the throat. The proposal itself implies he understands the complete and uncompromising hostility of the Muslim, embodied in jihad and Islamic supremacism (the very same total all-encompassing shari’a law he seems to think stops at “every day life” issues). Fool or knave, he is no better than the Vichy collaborators of another ignominious time, or his earlier ancestors and role models, those who abetted the fall of once powerful, independent peoples and states to the forces of jihad and dhimmitude in the 7th century and again in the 15th century.
MFritz says
Vichy France 2.0
gravenimage says
Spot on. It would just embolden Muslims more.
eduardo odraude says
Fair enough. But lets also remember Charles Martel at Tours!
Voytek Gagalka says
Why academicians are always notoriously so stupid? No, they (France) will not avoid civil war in such abject surrender! Why Frenchmen did not have such “genial academicians” before the WWI? Why they just did not surrender Paris (and half of Northern France) to approaching German troops to avoid mass slaughter they incurred in trying to defend it? Why, just surrender to bullies and everything will be all right? No. It never does! But it is so difficult to grasp if you limited and contained under the lid of Sorbonne.
Frank Anderson says
VG, I suggest because they must learn to please other academics in the process of becoming an academic. To disagree, or challenge, the accepted position is to stop the process of earning the degrees required for recognition. I’ve been there!
eduardo odraude says
Also, being an academic does not mean one has greater integrity or balance than the average person. It means only that one may be somewhat more clever and have more facts with which to promote one’s own form of imbalance.
Joah says
France is dead, many other parts of Europe will follow.
I ask myself why, as I don’t see what the endgame in this is other than complete Muslim domination that was facilitated by the leaders of the countries in question.
Why did they do this to their own people?
eduardo odraude says
A great book on this question is The Strange Death of Europe, by Douglas Murray.
skeptic says
Raheel Raza commenting on the end of the secular West: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrXGJF7t5BU
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Va chercher la corde!
George says
Since the segregated community would soon grow far beyond its set boundaries, France would shrink while Mohammedstan’ would expand. Are the French so ridden with guilt over their past that they would accept colonialism within their own boundaries? It is time for France to evict these colonists and make France for the French, just as France’s African and Asian colonials rid themselves of the French. Will it take a Franco- Muslim War to evict the Muslim occupiers from Mohammedstan?
George says
Substitute colonies for colonials.
tgusa says
A French academic has suggested creating a Muslim state within France in order to assure a civil war.
roger woodhouse says
Would it be forced to join the EU I wonder?
Ewanda says
You probably will never get the French to rise up to fight for their country. The men say they are “lovers” not “fighters”. Easy to understand why. It is all due to the genderization of their language which divides all of its nouns into only masculine and feminine. The men are imprinted from birth and subliminally seduced to be passive. The word for “love” – “amour” is masculine. The word for “hate” is feminine and there were a lot of women in the resistance during the Second World War. On the other hand in German “hate” and “obedience” are masculine and what did they say about the Germans obeying orders during the Second World War? Let’s be grateful for our non-genderized North American language which allows us to be fully rounded individuals in all aspects. No language imprinting although we are still vulnerable to labeling by other means.
I am afraid France will have to be rescued if Europe is to have any chance at all of surviving … just like in the last Wars. It is in all of our interests to discredit what this educated but not knowledgeable guy proposes.
Also I really like the creativity of everyone. Psychopathistan is a winner.
George says
A Muslim Mohammedsitan would sue for independence, become a base for terrorism, and a place where France would have no control over. No infidel would be safe there. Ceding sovereignty would open the possibility of Mohammedistan. a seat in the UN, with possible alliances with Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Make sure it is land-locked and France builds a great big honking wall around it. And France shoots anything that tries to enter or leave. No services; no nothing. Wait a few years and rinse.
eduardo odraude says
I hope you are kidding. That is mass murder, rejected at Nuremberg. Wrong to go there. Discredits and weakens our influence, does not strengthen us.
One could suggest slowing immigration to a trickle, and the government paying Sharia supporters to voluntarily surrender their citizenship and leave the nation. Perhaps the government could also give non-Muslims financial incentives to have more children.
Frank Anderson says
I wonder where the money would come for to pay those who exit: but the savings in welfare (Germany paying 1 male, 4 wives and 20 children $379,000 per year) could be at least a partial offset. What is the total welfare cost in France to compare with an exit payment?
eduardo odraude says
Frank, the main obstacle is probably political. Yet the financial price would be huge for a voluntary exit, but perhaps could be spread out over a decade.
Frank Anderson says
Eduardo, please consider the US national debt, which is being spread over multiple generations. One generation is loading future generations for its waste, greed and laziness. As a lawyer who has handled quite a few bankruptcies, I am very familiar with the conduct that led to them. “We’ve got to keep the 2 new Mercedes to get to jobs that will go away in 2 years!” One way or another the impact of the treacherous and traitorous conduct of promoting cultural demise through Islamic invasion will devastate economies for similar multiple generations, whether they are expelled or not. I’d rather go down fighting than to live under the gross oppression, injustice and barbarity that is part and parcel of what is being imported.
To sample just how horrible life can be, read Viktor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning describing life in Nazi death camps. The prospect of turning Europe into a giant death camp for infidels cannot be ignored.
eduardo odraude says
Cortez, I see your point, and you are probably right about a significant part of the Muslim population. But I think that with the right financial incentives, many Muslims could rationalize that the money offered would allow them to continue Islamic dawa even better in another land. A policy of paying people to leave might have a chance of effectiveness on two conditions. First, welfare policy in France would have to become much less generous and would have to be prone to cut off after a shorter term. Otherwise a payment to leave would have to be truly huge to be a real incentive. Second, a policy of paying people to leave could not mention Muslims or Islam. To have even a tiny chance of political adoption, It would have to be directed to “immigrants” who came within a certain timeframe.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
They are not no-go zones. They are ‘ribats.’ They are front guard fortresses meant to take the land from the locals. War is war.
Consider that the Gaza strip is a watered down version of my over-the-top proposal. The Israels, at every turn, show us what we will have to deal with in the future, if we wish to remain free. They are the vanguard of this battle.
Linnte says
Agreed. This IS WAR. Just because it’s not all out killing doesn’t mean it’s not war. Islam knows they are at war, and commands war against the unblievers. So actually, this Hijrah is an ESCALATION of war on the part of Islam. Maranatha!
eduardo odraude says
Frank, I have read Man’s Search for Meaning. A good book.
S Kevin Wojtaszek says
Meanwhile, at the Institut du Monde Arabe in Paris:
“What Christian Artifacts of the Middle East Can Show Us About Tolerance”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/arts/eastern-christians-institut-du-monde-arabe.html?hpw&rref=arts&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well
WPM says
New York Slimes read the article it white washes the times from 1400 to the 1900 saying Christians and Islam were getting alone just great .Makes the time from 700 to 1300 seem like a minor bump in the road of history. This from a paper that in the 1930s said Stalin was a great good leader.
utis says
I agree with those who note that he stated the problem well enough, but his solution is unreasonable. My question is, what is this academic’s area of expertise: history, politics, islamic studies? Just because someone has an academic appointment doesn’t give him authority over all topics. Someone who is an expert on the Mongolian gerbil brain has no superior clout in politics than a ditch digger. The influence of political “scientists” and social “scientists” is probably questionable too, but who would try to question it without getting lynched?
Adam says
France already has a place they can put them, on the other side of the Maginot Line. It worked so great the first time. It won’t cost any extra, already there.
France, like the rest of the west have nothing to defend. They believe in nothing, they can’t defend themselves because they are nothing but the “state”. Their people are not citizens, but subjects.
Blind guides, all.
Terry Gain says
Well at least he acknowledges that there are Muslim No Go Zones in France -. and the fact that Muslims will not integrate and adopt western democratic values. Indeed to do so would be to abandon Islam. But his solution is clueless. Ceding territory to Muslims will only wet their appetite and give them a base from which to launch terrorist attacks – as they did from Gaza after Israel listened to leftists.
Are you reading this thread Nana. Are you getting a clue?
rich says
Why not give it a try? It worked so well in India, with the creation of Pakistan./s
Sarah says
Don’t forget the hot steaming pile of mess that is Bangladesh as well.
Jack Holan says
It’s so French. They’ve got it down to an Art. Moving from the bedroom to the balconey with their White Sheet and draping it to hang there in shameful SURRENDER. They’d rather surrender part of their Country than fight for it. COWARDS
G179 says
Of course, divide france in half. One part for muslims, the other part for non-muslims and muslims. What could possibly go wrong?
Lydia says
Oh sure, they don’t have a ‘sharia zone’ now, but just give them that small ‘square inch.’ Surely that will be enough for them and shut them up then! That will solve the whole problem and all the upheaval will all disappear! I mean, it’s not like they will continue terrorizing the whole region because that area was not enough for them, and now they want more! As if it will never be enough until they have all of Paris, or all of France, or even all of Europe! They wouldn’t dream of it! They will be happy and content with whatever parcel of land they are given. Whatever is handed over to them for free from what belongs to France, surely will satisfy them. And even if all the uproar was what got them this parcel of land, it’s not like they will be thinking; “Well, we terrorized the neighborhood and they finally gave us a few acres of land, so let’s keep doing what works and maybe they will keep rewarding us with more!” Heaven forbid they would ever think anything so ungrateful, so uncivilized, so freeloading as that! Far be it from them, right?!?! What harm could there be in it? They will be glad and thankful and will show their gratitude by beginning to behave like civilized creatures for a change! Right?!?!
Wrong.
videowilliams says
Before I even read this, here’s a hint from an Australian: offshore islands. A much better place to put them if they refuse to f**k off home (or disingenuously claim “France is our home”)… And now having read it, he should look at how well the granting of a province to the Muslims by the Philippines worked for them (it simply became a launching pad for more attacks) and consider that a Civil War you win (admittedly not a feeling the modern French are familiar with) would win you back your entire country from barbarians who should never have been imported in the first place.
Chand says
I have a feeling this professor Moliner was speaking tongue-in-cheek and was making harmless suggestions to solve France’s problems with her Muslims.To debate the issues, highlight the topics and admit the problems.
There is no solution, as such, IMHO. France, and all nations, will have to live with Muslims in their midst, get used to men with their beards and skull caps and women in their hijabs, Mosques blaring out Arabic five times a day, people praying on the streets on Fridays when the Mosques are houseful, Muslim evangelists handing out leaflets on the streets spreading Islam and ghettos with Muslim immigrants, etc.
And all security forces of all lands will have to constantly watch out for and eliminate Jihadis, of course.
roger woodhouse says
It need’nt be that way.Enforcing civil laws is all that is required but we have weak appeasers in our governments who lack the knowledge of this evil religion.What a fool for suggesting such a thing.Why not go the whole hog and introduce an apartheid system.It worked well in South Africa and the muslims there were very happy under that system.No doubt this idiot was amongst those calling for its removal.Such hypocrits these so called a accademics truely are
Angemon says
What do you mean, “unimaginable”? Do you mean “immoral” or something like that? Listen you f***ing moron, you live in a republic. You have this thing called “rule of law”. And most, if not all, Western Republics have laws concerning admittance and expulsion of foreign citizens as well as how to handle sedition and treason. There’s nothing “unimaginable” or “immoral” about that.
And how is it that what you propose – the creation of an islamic state in French territory – doesn’t involve involve “remigration” or “forced eviction” (bit of a redundancy there)?
Pet Charles says
I notice that the learned professor did not tell us who will resolve disputes between believers and unbelievers. In his two state solution, which state will produce the goods and services to finance the states? Who will pay taxes? The unbelievers will pay jizya and the head of state so to speak will sen it to finance the believer state? Who should take this seriously.
Sarah says
Ugh. ‘Academics’. What this guy’s profession actually means, in quite literal terms is this:
‘Never actually worked a day in his life, but has spent his entire life studying pre-discovered and already created information provided by others – and discussed and studied by others – within a very narrow, politically charged environment – who goes on to inform others with less practice than he, at studying this preexisting information, on how to read it themselves and write essays, create dioramas, write speeches and answer test questions – all surrounding that preexisting information that he has instructed them to read, as he has read it.’
When you look at it like that – his role as an Academic suddenly becomes pretty damn worthless in the grand scheme of things.
Run a parallel state within the state? Especially in a nation like France with its own specific history regarding the Revolution?
The inmates are running the asylum. Sure, sure France. Give this harebrained idea a shot. I mean, let’s face it, this dipshit has said; ‘you’ll never get rid of the Islamic radicalism within France’. So, case closed, right?
Because, kicking out the Muslims en masse is just too scary for you cowards, it seems. You’d rather literally destroy your own nation, your own government, your own rule of law, your own culture – rather than stand up and boot out the Muslims – and face the outcome of being criticized for doing so, by a select few others.
Cowards. You are nothing but steaming cowards if you do this.
Infidel says
The EU is SURE headed for a bloody partition (just like how India did in 1947) … IT IS INEVITABLE given the cultural suicide initiated by its dhimmi leftists…What a shame it has to go down this way. And the same fate is in store for India. As of now, both India and the Eu are in a deadheat race.. as to who will get conquered first..
Kasey says
This professor is a bit late with his two state idea.
It already exists within France’s borders…ie Free France and the Islamic welfare dependent sharia governed State.
The only salvation to this situation is to deport all Muslims who won’t sign a primary declaration of Loyalty to France.
And any who break that oath later get deported. Citizenship of Islamic children to go to historic their heritage nation.
John Forbes says
ACTUALLY, THIS MAY WELL BE NOT THAT CRAZY AN IDEA FRO FRANCE! IN LOOKING AT THE CURRENT POPULATION TRENDS THE FRENCH BIRTH RATE IS BELOW REPLACEMENT ANYWAY & IN TWO GENERATIONS OR LESS THE CURRENT FRENCH WILL BE A VERY SMALL MINORITY!
LOOK AT THE YOUTUBE POST DEMOGRAPHIC WINTER TO EXAMINE THE TRENDS!
THIS, BY THE WAY, DOES NOT ONLY APPLY TO FRANCE AS THE INFERENCE IS THAT THIS IS JUST A FRANCE ISSUE! IT IS A WESTERN & WORLD ISSUE!
Cthulhu says
I would agree if he said that Clipperton Island is a good place.
Barbara Ethel says
This guy lowers the bar for ‘cheese-eating surrender monkey’ even further. Shameful.
Mark says
It could work!
They would have to find some cesspit of an island, and let them practice sharia there and never come to the mainland again.
ScottM says
Avoid civil war?…So its being admitted now? “multiculturalism” is just ANOTHER failed social experiment promoted and propelled by arrogant, pompous FOOLS who have been telling us “bigots” to shut up. Well done! Bravo! Let’s hope the crocodiles eat you first! You rotten bastards.
Anne Smith says
Unfortunately for us, Sharia May is already putting the professor’s ideas into practice.
Under her useless six years as Home Secretary the Border Control force was halved, checking of asylum seekers and immigrants became almost non-existent and Sharia Courts through UK were quadrupled.
The Imams and their ilk have free range to implement their own Sharia law on all Muslims in the country. Cameron instituted Sharia compliant banking and the present member of the British Parliament actually have their offices in a Sharia compliant building, financed by a Muslim fund.
Most British people have no idea of the extent to which Islam has wormed its way into the governing thread of Britain and those that are aware are too frightened to comment, thanks to Cameron and May’s ridiculous “hate speech” laws.
Ron says
Rape is only rape when you resist. So politely drop your pants, grab your ankles and enjoy the shariah.
Delta mike says
This academic does not understand Islamic Doctrine. Civil War would only be delayed briefly before Jihad against unbelievers continued. Jihad MUST go on until the Kuffar have been exterminated and the dar al-Harb no longer exists.
For France to survive, the only answer is to deport ALL MUSLIMS NOW!
staffsgt7 says
academics make me sick. It shows he doesn’t know one lick of history, hudna and all the ‘land for peace’ deals the moslems break as soon as possible. They give no safety to others in their areas and demand complete safety in ours while they take more and more – kill more and more and go on as if they are the superior beings.
Linde Barrera says
No sarcasm from me, just plain street talk: this French professor is stupidly idiotic and is clueless about the ramifications to which he refers and advocates. VIVE LA FRANCE. May true democracy prevail. Never a dual legal system.
abad says
It was coming – France made a huge mistake in allowing Moslems into its borders and for what?
Moslems have contributed nothing worthwhile to French culture.
It would do for France to deport its Moslem population all the way back to Syria.
BlueRaven says
Not sure if any real French person will entertain this kind of opinion. Of course he is entitled to his own opinion. Whats wrong with another solution – stop Muslim immigration and lock up the home growns for good. That way the Muslims will learn not to mess with Europe.
His solution is no solution – the Sharia will try to interefer in normal French laws more than he is able to imagine.
ahem says
Now that’s a brilliant idea;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OVdoTDuKT0
quidproquocoins says
Like Algeria?
Linnte says
Jesus help us! This is EXACTLY what Islam wants- what Muslims want.
Say good bye to France everyone. Gone is the place where Vincent Van Gogh dreamt about making his fortune. Gone forever Surat’s world and Picasso’s magic. Every artists dream is France. How truly surreal. How DARE the French be so apethetic about their culture!
Damnit!
Valkyrie Ziege says
; Um, yeah, that worked for India.
Enrtique says
False religions have no rights, inasmuch as error has no rights. Furthermore, given Islam’s history of violently trying to impose itself on Christians and others why would anyone expect them to behave different as a state within a state in France? If civil war were the only way to prevent this, it is to be preferred over an Islamic state. That should be obvious.
If Muslims in France were to want an Islamic state the French government should redirect them to Saudi Arabia. The Muslim Saudis would be morally obligated to welcome them, no? If not, why not?
But Muslim immigrants iwould be better off taking the opportunity of being allowed in France to learn more about pre-Vatican II Catholicsm. If through God’ss grace they chose to convert, they could. But if they didn’t wish to convert, they would not be forced to. As is well known, they wouldn’t”t be able to do that in Saudi Arabia or in countries with Sharia law. I didn’t read anything to make me think that the French academic recommending the Islamic state for Muslims in France cared about that. Why not?
Rob Crawford says
We can call them “Bantustans”!
Savvy Kafir says
You can’t convert those hardcore Allah junkies; but you can deport them.
If you want France to remain a free & civilized society, you MUST deport them.
Scott65clark@gmail.com says
Mans a genius perfect set up an area where they can organize and mobilize to take the rest of the country.
Mike savage is correct europe from the wars of the 1800s till ww2 and french vietnam have killed off all the man genes left in their genes now they are just well.
Hows this outlaw islam and remove them all from the country.then shoot the boats out of the water they are the enemy ya dumb?s.
Heres a bigger problem since the euro shemale has capitulated should we take there nukes from them before their fall
kishke says
It takes a special kind of stupid to be an academic.
Older Canadian says
In reverse this will bring on a civil war which was the original objective and has been quite successful.
Ewanda says
There’s a lot to be lost if any area in France would be turned over to Islam because of Islam’s beliefs. What area would you give to them? Islam forbids alcohol so why would they need the vineyards? They would burn them and then cultivars that date back tens of hundreds of years would be extinct …. forever irretrievable. The vines that produce Champagne, which dates back to before 1000 AD, would no longer exist. They are oblivious to the value of anything that is not of the Koran. They destroyed the libraries and all the knowledge that was contained therein of Alexandria and India plus the Buddhas in Afghanistan. The world has lost so much because of Islamic “self-determination” that the earth can’t bear another 1400 years of Islam. When one man is not embarrassed to have fathered 40 children is complete irresponsibility environmentally and it should be pointed out …. putting Islam under Kafir Dhimmitude is the only way to stop their relentless march, as Dr. Warner and others have suggested.
Khushi says
See what has happened in India in the recent past.
India gave away territory to muslims (West pakistan and East pakistan, now known as bangladesh) thinking they will be contained because muslims in India wanted their separate state.
But what happened? All the muslims didn’t go to the 2 newly converted islamic regions………….most stayed back, and kept having more and more babies.
At some point in the future, they will demand still more land for being ruled by sharia and do the same thing again until finally the whole of India will be under islamic rule.
The non-muslim population in pakistan and Bangladesh kept shrinking and the muslim population in India kept burgeoning.
Karen says
What is so unthinkable about deporting any Islamists who have not yet been given the *privilege* of French citizenship? Be rid of them, if they cannot embrace French culture.
(BTW, once you allow yourself to think the unthinkable, you broaden your perspective. I recommend it. )
The learned academic says, “A council of ulemas will fix the religious law, but the autonomy will stop there.”…
Oh dear, how amusing. Laughable really. This will just be the beginning of autonomy demands.
dumbledoresarmy says
“What is so unthinkable about deporting any Islamists who have not yet been given the *privilege* of French citizenship? Be rid of them, if they cannot embrace French culture.”
EXACTLY.
And the same thought – deportation – needs to be thought by free non-Muslim citizens of *all* majority-non-Muslim countries that are currently afflicted with aggressive, deceitful, and very expensive colonies of mohammedans.
Jacinte Lamothe says
This scholar idea is like giving the muslims permission to kill all Christians legally. Insane! Get the army to through the extremists.
Deplorable Basketweller says
Even a casual reading of the koran illuminates islam as the evil and totalitarian system it is! Taking study further to the ahadith and sira confirms and strengthens that truth! If islam is a brutal, destructive, treacherous and totalitarian political system hiding behind and disguised as a religion, and it most certainly is, why do so many wish to embrace it and its followers? Islam is evil, shouldn’t that indicate at least a little something about those who follow it? Sadie Mae Glutz, Squeaky Fromme and Charlie Manson probably did some very nice and kind things in their lives but you wouldn’t have them to dinner and a sleep over! Islam’s sole purpose is to advance islam! The muslim can do no wrong if they act to advance islam! The practitioner of islam is commanded and obligated to convert, subjugate or kill the kafir, PERIOD! Islam’s goal is a world governed by the sharia! No Free thought, no free will, no joy, no pleasure, islam dictates every action of the follower from haw to rape a goat and dispose of the carcass and how to fart in church and blame it on your neighbor, how to dress, speak and eat…… individual thought is absent in islam! Islam cannot remain islam unless it is at war with the kafir and when islam eradicates the kafir it will turn its war against the imperfect followers, as long as islam exists this war will exist! None of what’s written above is new, in fact, islam has been demonstrating it for 1400+ years! How dense do you have to be to not see 1400 years of quantifiable proof? Anyone wishing to integrate islam into their society is a fool with a death wish!
Steven says
Professor Christian de Moliner is a BONKER!
Steven says
Like Malaysia?…. like Egypt?
Richard says
Since the French academic believes that France should be divided to give part of the nation to those who believe in the religion of Islam, whereas the French government is anticlerical, if not anti-religious, why not create yet a third state for French Catholics who want to be government by the rules of the Church – and perhaps yet another state for French Jews. Maybe one for the Huguenots, too When there are enough independent French states , Belgium can declare war, invade and conquer them. But why would it want them?