The Catholic Church in Italy, like the Catholic Church in the U.S., appears not feel any obligation to support measures that would protect their people from jihad attacks. The message that Famiglia Cristiana is sending to Catholics and other citizens of Italy is simple: drop dead. They are apparently unconcerned about the jihad attacks and spiraling crime rates that have come to Italy with the mass Muslim migrant influx.
Some reminders: all of the jihadis who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees. In February 2015, the Islamic State boasted it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 refugees. The Lebanese Education Minister said in September 2015 that there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country. On May 10, 2016, Patrick Calvar, the head of France’s DGSI internal intelligence agency, said that the Islamic State was using migrant routes through the Balkans to get jihadis into Europe.
The Catholic Church in Italy has never expressed any concern about any of this. It is completely in line with Pope Francis, who has claimed risibly that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.” This has become a superdogma in the Catholic Church: if you don’t believe that Islam is a Religion of Peace, you will be ruthlessly harassed and silenced by the hierarchy. The bishops of the Catholic Church are much more concerned that you believe that Islam is a religion of peace than that you believe in, say, the Nicene Creed. And so what possible reason could there be to be concerned about these “refugees”? It’s a religion of peace!
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
It was not always thus. For centuries, in fact, as I detail in my forthcoming book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, the Catholic Church was at the forefront of efforts to resist jihad aggression in Europe. In it, you’ll discover:
- The Pope who was a true precursor of Pope Francis: he was harshly criticized by the Romans for failing to keep them safe from jihad attacks;
- The Pope who answered a Byzantine Emperor’s call for help against the jihadis not by scolding him about how Islam was peaceful, but by calling on the rulers of Europe to send troops;
- The Medieval Pope who called Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, a “son of perdition,” and called for Christians to unite against the advancing jihad;
- What happened when a Mongol ruler sent an emissary across Central Asia and into Europe to meet the Pope and seek an alliance with the Christians against the forces of jihad;
- The Pope who haughtily refused to come to the aid of the Christian Byzantine Empire when it was mortally threatened by jihadis, because of doctrinal differences;
- The Pope who took a solemn oath at his consecration to “extirpate the diabolical sect of the reprobate and faithless Mahomet”;
- The Pope who touched off worldwide Muslim riots by noting that “God is not pleased by blood”;
- Much more.
Click here to preorder The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS.
“Italy’s Largest Catholic Magazine Compares Salvini to Satan for Immigration Policy,” by Thomas D. Williams, Breitbart, July 27, 2018:
Famiglia Cristiana, Italy’s top selling Catholic publication, has splashed a photo of Interior Minister Matteo Salvini on its cover this week, with the provocative caption “Get behind me, Salvini” — in Latin.
Assailing Mr. Salvini for his efforts to curb illegal immigration in the country, the cover caption of Thursday’s issue makes reference to the words of Jesus, “Get behind me, Satan!”, reported in Saint Matthew’s gospel account.
The publication accuses Salvini, the 45-year-old leader of the League party and a Catholic, of having abandoned the biblical injunction to “welcome the stranger” and of using “aggressive tones” in describing Italy’s migrant crisis….
Susan B says
Italians need to stop going to Church until the church stops trying to destroy Christianity with the Church’s love of murderers and rapist who worship the devil. Who is paying these enablers of this evil and why are they lying and going against God? If you sell your soul to the devil can that act ever be undone?
Andy says
Bye, Bye EU.
President Trump, Italian PM hold joint press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1C1JAu7H8k
Andy says
God Bless President Trump! Judeo-Christian Civilization Countries NEED LEADERS like this now!!!
Baruch HaShem Amen
Ernie says
Amen
Andy says
Meanwhile, Spain Welcomes Excrement Throwing Migrants While Other European Countries Move In Right Direction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLkDYkJbTDo
Migrants storm Spanish beach in boat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FXSm7rJ7CA
Andy says
How Matteo Salvini’s ‘Italy First’ is Dominating Italian Politics!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABSTi-LVD0
IQ al Rassooli says
Considering the FACT that under pope Francis’ watch, the greatest number of Christians have been slaughtered, plundered, raped or exiled by MUSLIMS without a single whimper from him, it is Francis and his prelates who are the followers of SATAN not Salvini the patriot
It is about time that the Catholic ‘sheep’ turn into lions defending Christianity instead of being silent while their world is being destroyed by Muslims with the pope’s and cardinals’ blessings
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
mortimer says
Well expressed, dear IQ. Bergoglio has no idea about Islam.
He has not read the primary texts, Sharia law, the canonical commentaries nor Islamic history.
Bergoglio is a naïve, sheltered Pollyanna who shields himself from factual information on Islam for his own DELUSIONAL GUESSES AND SPECULATIONS about Islam. What can RCs do about Bergoglio?
To begin with, Italians should write in immediately to CANCEL THEIR SUBSCRIPTIONS to the magazine FAMIGLIA CRISTIANA and tell the editor why.
Roman Catholics should send their offerings to the many priests, other clergy and thinkers in their church who truly ‘GET IT’ about Islam… Robert Spencer is such a person. Then after diverting their offerings to sensible church leaders, they should tell their bishops what they are doing and why.
A massive diversion of cash from the papacy will soon be seen by the cash-poor Vatican it will alarm them into action to WISE UP THE POPE.
HEY, FRANK! WISE UP!! READ ‘THE HISTORY OF JIHAD’ by Robert Spencer.
The laity should send dozens of copies of Spencer’s new ‘History’ to the Vatican so the entire Curia can have their own copies.
Mac-101 says
I have to differ wit you. The Black Pope, head of the Jesuits, KNOWS exactly what he is doing. Evil Incarnated!
Ernie says
Mac-101 , you beat me to it , well done !
Ernie says
Mortimer , I don’t think mr. Bergoglio is beïng naïve concerning islam . I think mr.Bergoglio is doing his part for establishing the New World Order Agenda . Creating a New World Order by first destroying the world as we know it . He helps creating CHAOS (= destruction) . Mr. Bergoglio is a wrecker/destroyer . He is evil , not naïve .
Carolyne says
I never considered myself a “Sheep.” One of the reasons I became an atheist. If there were a God he made humans as thinking beings not as sheep. A priest or a minister or a pope would never be a being superior to any other person and certainly not directing the behavior of others. I am not a mindless animal. flock, indeed. Nonsense.
Susan B says
Carolyne, Christians are directed by Jesus not the Pope or a minister. It is through the love and peace of Jesus we get our strength when faced with adversity. We have a living relationship with Jesus and are guided by him everyday.
Mac-101 says
Well said Sista. Western Civilization exists in it’s modern from only because people suppressed their natural tendencies and attempted to life a life like Jesus. As you see we have as a civilization rejected morality and the resulting rapid decline and soon destruction is occurring.
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Mac-101 says
It is way past evident that the Catholic Church along with many other churches are controlled by the Global Elites and are working diligently to replace Western Civilization with some form of totalitarian Satanic NWO. It ALL fits the prophecies on the Last Days!
Susan B says
MAC-101 it is even more sinister than that.
“Kalergi proclaims the need to abolish the right of nations to self-determination and outlines the break-up of nation states through the use of ethnic separatist movements and the destruction of the nations themselves through mass migration. In order for Europe to be easily controlled by the future elite, Kalergi proposes the creation of a homogeneous mixed breed population, and as to who should be the new elite? Kalergi is particularly illuminating on this point:
The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the current diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It’s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews [due to the actions taken by the French Revolution]”
source: http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/
Mac-101 says
Whatever it be , it be of it’s father, Satan!
Chris Malan says
That will never happen. American blacks are a minority living in a country where many praises mixed marriages. Yet, even today most blacks still marry blacks and most whites marry whites. Work out how long it will take before all blacks in the USA are thoroughly genetically mixed into the population. A thousand years?
Kalergi lived from 1894 to 1972. The book the quotes come from is from 1925. Kalergi was a philosopher. Even among this group of bullshitters, he stood head and shoulders among his fellow bullshitters when it comes to bullshit. His ideas were not in touch with reality.
Your link points to Western Spring – a rabble-rousing rag. They target the same group targeted by the booze barons, the gambling bosses and the loan sharks – the hoi-polloi, the mindless masses, the great unwashed or as Casca in Julius Ceasar had it, the rabblement.
The whole idea is so far-fetched one should not pay any attention to it.
Susan B says
CHRIS MALAN – I do believe the globalist will lose in the end. However, currently, they have pulled off a huge part of their evil plan by flooding Europe with millions of muslim migrants who are more than willing to rape anything with a heart beat and murder when ever they feel like it and have it covered up as mental illness.
The Globalist control the media, the politicians and the education systems so they have free reign to destroy the west at what ever rate they choose. The globalist have used their puppets, like Obama to create racial division and hatred among their own citizens and have spoon feed the left indoctrinated lies and evil the likes of which the world has never seen. As a result the left have become the unhinged brown shirts, similar to the Nazi era doing their bit to terrorize and shut down free speech.
In Canada our Trudeau, also a puppet of the globalist, is doing the same as Obama did by putting Muslim Brotherhood operatives in high places and calling Canadian racist, when we have been and are one of the least racist people on the planet. May and Merkel as well as Macron are doing their part to keep the plan moving forward. Then there is Sweden, Australia, New Zealand and even India suffering under islamization. This is huge and nothing to be sneezed at. It a far greater threat than any the world has ever encountered.
“The whole idea is so far-fetched one should not pay any attention to it”
Do you still think that the Kalergi plan is far-fetched when you look at the evidence all around you.?
Fortunately, what the globalist and islamic oil money had not counted on was divine intervention. Thank you Trump, he has the globalist scrambling and tripping over themselves to try and take him down. I do believe that Trump is protected by God and will save the civilized world. Not alone, because of Trump’s incredible courage he has inspired many to step up to the plate. As stated in the beginning the globalist will lose.
StellaSaidSo says
The idea is not ‘far-fetched’, Chris Malan, and we dismiss it at our peril. The Kalergi Plan is central to the globalist agenda.
Mac-101 says
Isn’t there a some kind of Kalergi award that is given in Europe? It is undeniable that Population Replacement is their goal. I would assume it is to create Kaos and in the end provide ORDER with a much more controllable slave/serf base to draw from.
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Susan, unfortunately I believe it points to G-ds plan is to use these Satanic Globalist Scum to start WWIII and wipe out Israel and the entire ME and who knows what else and then rebuild Jerusalem and make it the center for government, finance and rebuild the Temple for Satan’s Beast’s 42 month rule of the NWO.
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The Beast will rule until Jesus Christ returns with ALL those who were beheaded for refusing to renounce Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and take the Mark of the Beast! Islam will be the forced religion of the Beast!
StellaSaidSo says
Mac-101, the award is officially known as the Charlemagne Prize. Coudenhove-kalergi was the first winner. Recent winners include Angela Merkel, Emmanuel Macron, and Pope Francis.
Mac-101 says
Stella, Thanks, so much Evil to try to keep straight!
StellaSaidSo says
You’re welcome, Mac. Wiki has a list of winners. The usual suspects, including Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, and Henry Kissinger. Funny how the same names turn up everywhere, isn’t it? Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove…’So much Evil’ indeed!
Roland Tours says
It is a hugely interesting question why the Church has betrayed it’s flock this way. I suspect that the election of Pope Francis was partly an effort by western Europe’s political elite and Church leftists to shut down resistance to Islam after Pope Benedict’s mildly controversial speech at Regensburg. This is a good subject for another book.
Benedict says
The government needs to find something and shut this magazine down. Publications like these only bring a bad name to the faith. Pope
gravenimage says
No, I don’t think that Italy should shut this publication down. That is what totalitarian Muslim countries do. The best way to counter lies is with the truth.
Rufolino says
But no one is listening to the truth, it’s politically incorrect.
gravenimage says
All we can do is continue to tell the truth. It took years during the rise of Fascism for the public to listen to the fact that the Nazis were a threat. I do believe we can win through in the end.
Susan B says
+1 Agreed Gravenimage. A question, you have said you are an artist, can you share what type of art it is that you create. If you prefer to keep that private, I am fine with that.
Westman says
It appears the the Catholic Church is in a crisis of relevance and control within its home nation as the majority of citizens back Salvini – with cause based on experience. Maybe it’s time to stop digging. Non-Catholics already see the Vatican as a historic tourist stop and little else.
There seems to be a trend here: World-wide ruling religion becomes a vassal of the state as education, free exchange of information, and global trade proliferate. Would the church consider relocating to a friendlier location, say, Central or South, America?
Carolyne says
The Catholic Church has become mostly irreverent except to elderly Italian women dressed in black.
Rarely says
There’s nothing like an imaginative conspiracy theory to complicate a simple issue. I’m trying to formulate one myself to keep this discussion screwy if it bogs down.
andra says
Some reminders: all of the jihadis who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees. In February 2015
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This is not quite true. The Brothers Abdeslam were both Born in Brussels in the 80ies and had a French passport. Similar is true for most of the terrorists. You can find a complete list of their nationalities on wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroranschläge_am_13._November_2015_in_Paris#Informationen_über_die_Täter
Nonetheless it is important to stop the Influx of Muslim invadors as we are hardly able to fight back those jihadis who are born in Europe.
Ren says
The Satan Salvini is missing horns.
jewdog says
I guess that make me a devil worshiper. No wonder I like the diavalo dishes in the Italian restaurants.
FYI says
Surely Mr Salvini is more like SANTA:bringing the gift of immigration control to the Italians.
Stand ahead of us Mr Salvini.Get your country and your Christian culture back.
It is the morally right thing to do,Isn’t it?Otherwise the Globalists,the UN,George Soros et al will be enslaving your country.
I’m sure it is what Jesus would want:but of course that’s certainly not what the vatican wants…but then they don’t follow Jesus any more do they?
“Is the pope catholic?”This one isn’t.He doesn’t even appear to be Christian.
Let’s put it this way:Donald Trump is probably a much better Christian than francis haha.
fradulent frankie is a very good…… Marxist.
Vade Retro famiglia “cristiana” per favore!
I wouldn’t worry about “catholic” magazines like famiglia cristiana:they are not very Catholic anyway despite putting on a show of being Christian.The man in Rome has PROVEN himself, to many catholics, to be a HERETIC and a promoter of apostasy within the church:he’s too busy,quietly destroying the Church.frankie and his henchmen are undermining Christianity and Catholicism;changes are currently being introduced …..
Frankie is like the captain of a ship who has decided to scuttle the boat without bothering to inform anyone.But thank goodness God sees what he is up to..There are Catholic Remnant groups who can give you more information:I believe Fatima 1917 might be of interest…it seems to be taking place now with the apostate-heretic jesuit freakshow that is fradulent francis.What is happening in Rome should be no surprise to catholics{you might read 2 Thessalonians 2 as well}
Smiley “pope” francis ,we must remember,is on record as saying..
“We must embrace the NWO”.Now,only a politician,not a spiritual leader ,would say that: a luciferian organisation like the NWO?is that not a worldly kingdom,a great Globalist project to enslave humanity?frankie is a big fan of it.
keep a close eye on the vatican:it is a key POLITICAL player in world events and smiley frankie is at the very heart of it.
He also famously stated that muslims and christians worship the same God.
let’s see..
allah,who…
1.CURSES Christians [koran 9:30] for believing in Jesus Christ.
2.DENIES Jesus Christ was even crucified even claiming it a fake {“they slew him not nor crucified him but it appeared so unto them” [koran 4:157]Isn’t that the denial of the whole basis for Christianity?
3. DOES NOT understand where God’s wisdom comes from since he clearly cannot understand the theology of the Trinity koran 4:171{“say not “three”.Cease!It is better for you” says allah the theologically-challenged god of islam}
..[and one of those aspects of the 3 that allah denies?That would be God’s Holy Spirit..i.e His Wisdom:and allah doesn’t even know what it is!Think about that..]
4.DISAGREES with the 2nd chief Commandment.
“Oh ye who believe!take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
koran 5 v 51
You see?There is none of that “love thy neighbor” in islam.No love.No peace.
Do you see why allowing mass islamic immigration into the west is a threat to both our Judeo-Christian AND Secular heritage?
So, allah is OBVIOUSLY a total denial of Jesus Christ and the Christian God.
islam’s warped teachings are at odds with our society{both the secular and Judeo-Christian religious heritage}Of course,the UN and the Globalists couldn’t care less about that.
Mr Bergolio,as a Jesuit “pope”{the Black pope..black for Jesuit garb…HINT}must know perfectly well that
allah the deceiver{k3:54}is NOT God.He has surely studied theology.He must know.allah is NOT the Jewish/Christian/Judeo-Christian God.This should be obvious given that allah CURSES Jews and Christians koran9:30
So he is clearly preaching LIES then;Note how he is a friend of islam and a promoter of the NWO.He spends a lot of time attacking…catholics and christians.He puts on a nice smiley show for us*:but if you have “eyes to see and ears to hear” you might be able to discern that the man in Rome may look like and appear to be a lamb yet curiously he “speaks like dragon” .
*but..but..come on now…he’s such a lovely,smiley,endearing,cheerful old sweetheart of a man…he has such humility and an incredible love for the poor..with his thumbs up ..and his great public displays of loving poor ppeople{will the vatican billions be going to the poor anytime soon?Oh DO tell us francis…}
Exactly: the perfect deception,even adopting the name francis so people will think he’s…like st francis[he isn’t].Most Catholics won’t see it but a remnant will.
Remember it is not the public stunts,the panglossian thumbs up,the endearing old man performance:That ‘s just for show.LISTEN to the falsehoods he is preaching!
Arasu says
Matthew Ch7:15-16
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Susan B says
+1
Carolyne says
He doesn’t look !like an endearing old man to me. He looks like Homer Pyle in a dress.
Carolyne says
Gomer Pyle.
James Lincoln says
The Catholic Church is somewhat parallel to the recent history of the US intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI.
Severe rot at the top (current Pope, former FBI Head) with a lot of excellent people doing the good work of the organizations (local parish priests, FBI field agents).
By the way, is there any way to get Pope Benedict reinstated until a new Pope can be vetted???
Rufolino says
You want Pope Benedict ???
The man who insulted 10% of the world’s population by calling gay relationships “an intrinsic moral evil” (which is what the Nazis said about the Jews before they set about killing them.)
The Vatican is a sick institution.
Arasu says
Pope Benedict was only being true to Biblical teaching. Does it matter whether 10% of the world’s population feels insulted?
This is what the Bible says:
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. (1 Timothy. 1:9-10)
gravenimage says
Arasu, are you good with Muslims throwing gay people off tall buildings and stoning them to death?
Lydia Church says
If Salvini were to ‘get behind’ the pope’s plan, he would be getting behind satan!
This is not ‘welcoming the stranger,’ or foreigner, refugee, migrant, etc., this is inviting in a trojan horse that will burn your house down! No where in the Bible are we told to do that.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Lydia.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Many of the Catholic hierarchy have lost their faith and are Globalists. I just ignore them and practice the Catholic faith of history.
Rufolino says
Good for you but may I point out that “Catholicism” is very far from being “Christianity” (though some people actually believe they are the same thing !)
Mockingjay says
– Maybe the Church is hoping that by speaking such threatening words in Italy, it can manipulate the catholics of Spain to be more accepting of the continuing mass muslim/african immigration that´s now coming to THEIR shores…
The Catholic church has truly become the enemy of the
European people.
Marilyn Harma says
Companies want Muslims in their countries because they will accept lower wages. Government wants them in the country because they vote for liberals. Catholic Charities and other supposedly charitable organizations want them in the country because taxpayer dollars pay the supposedly charities to relocate the Muslims. They are supposedly all winners. What about our grandchildren, great-grandchildren who have to put up with this selfishness of companies, government and organizations who benefit.
Susan B says
Marilyn, BS first of all most muslims do not work are uneducated and have no real skills. What this is about is the destruction of Western civilization.
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/
gravenimage says
Marilyn, Susan is right–few Muslims work. Huge Muslim immigration is costing us a fortune–they are not cheap labor.
CogitoErgoSum says
Look at Mark 8:33 and read the full passage. Jesus had begun speaking of His suffering and death that was yet to come and this worried Peter so much that he tells Jesus, no, nothing bad should ever happen to Jesus. Jesus rebukes Peter for thinking this way because it involves thinking only in physical terms and not in spiritual terms. Jesus is saying that putting the needs of the body before the needs of the spirit is not why Christ came into the world and to think that way is just plain wrong. This prioritizing of the physical needs over their spiritual needs is what is going on with this Pope’s attitude toward these migrant “strangers.”
Therefore, the admonition to be kind to the stranger needs to be tempered with some thought as to what is going to be the spiritual outcome of that help. Is it going to lead the stranger being helped to know Christ and lead him into following Christ’s words or is just going to enable the stranger to contradict or wipe away the teachings of Christ? Unless most of these migrant “strangers” being helped are also converting to Christianity I see no reason for a Christian to feel guilty about not helping them beyond giving these “strangers” the ability to return to the place from which they came.
Even as far as times when only physical matters are involved, would a good parent tell his child that if a stranger stops and asks for directions just to get into the stranger’s car to show him the way? No. Pointing the stranger in the right direction from a safe distance and then staying away from his grasp is the wise course of action In the case of most of these migrants getting them pointed in the right direction is what should be the greatest concern of the Church and unless most of these migrant “strangers” are looking for a way out of Islam, getting them back to the land from which they came should be the top priority … otherwise, we are helping Islam and actually harming what is sometimes called “the body of Christ” (the Church) which is now the way the spirit of Christ is made manifest to us.
That’s my way of thinking about it. I don’t know what some of these Catholic leaders are thinking … if they are thinking at all.
SAE says
Well said, Cogito
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Yes, brigand evil United States is the center of all evils inspired by the satan mithraist christians Call Holy Spirit .If you want see the depiction of the satan have a look at savage mad devil Trump, he looks like the Dujjal (leader of world oppressors). He doesn’t look like a human being, he looks wild.
SAE says
Ibrahim Yabba Daba Do,
Your comment is incoherent. Please revert to logic and reason rather than babble.
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim, for some reason your false prophet, Muhammad, seems not to have had the slightest clue as to the existence of the Holy Spirit. He obviously thought that by the Holy Trinity Christians meant the Father, Son and Virgin Mary. Somewhere he had received faulty information about Christianity. He also apparently thought Christians believed that for Jesus to have been conceived by Mary, God would have had to have actual sexual intercourse with her. This is absolutely not true and I don’t know of any Christians who EVER believed this. Yet, Muhammad spread this lie that Christians believed such a thing. How could you put your faith in the words of a man who spoke such slander against others? Muhammad was no prophet and I think you know I am telling you the truth, Ibrahim, and yet you persist in remaining in you ignorance. Is your fear of being killed as an apostate the reason you refuse to accept the truth?
SAE says
Cogito, volumes of books could be written regarding “things Mohammed didn’t have the slightest clue on”. As followers of Mohammad, rather than being called muslims…the title Clueless would be much more descriptive and appropriate.
gravenimage says
By “looking wild”, Ibrahim itace muhammed means that Trump is taking measures to protect his people from Jihad terror.
And he is too witless to realize that this story is not about American president Trump, in any case, but about Italy’s Prime Minister Salvini.
gravenimage says
Italy’s largest Catholic magazine likens Salvini to Satan over his immigration policy
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*Utterly appalling*. Being likened to Satan for daring to protect his people from Jihad terror. How far has much of the leadership of the Catholic Church lost its way?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cogitoergosum, we are saying that entity you call Holy Spirit representing the breath of God as essence of God never exists because God is not like created beings who need spirit of life to function. In the Quran Arch-angel Gabriel is nicknamed as “Ruhul Quddus (Holy Spirit) “because he is being sent by God to deliver spirits of life to created beings and words of God to mankind, not that he is an essence of God himself as mithraist christians believe their Holy Spirit to be. It is the satan who appointed himself as Holy Spirit to be God himself, which is a lie.
gravenimage says
Of course this idiot understands nothing about Christianity–but that won’t stop him from murdering Christians over his ridiculous claims.
Indiana Tom says
Have fun blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Several passages in the Bible are frequently interpreted as referring to the unforgivable sin:
Matthew 12:30-32: “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
Mark 3:28-30: “Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’.”
Luke 12:8-10: “I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, Ibrahim, I will have to disagree with you once again in your assertion that God is not like us because I believe we are created in God’s image. I believe that God always was and always will be and that God is the prime mover for all things that were set in motion in the universe. I don’t understand why you would think such an entity as that should be limited in scope and can not manifest itself in whatever manner it would choose …. as a spirit, as a man, as a burning bush or as a wee quiet voice whispering on the wind. I don’t believe that nothing can come from nothing; therefore, there must have always been something. I don’t believe our consciousness sprang from nothing either. We, our spirits, came from the spirit of God and that Holy Spirit can manifests itself in many ways. You and your prophet put too many limitations on God even unto saying that God can not exist in more forms than one at the same time.
Also, if you believe in Satan, what makes you think your prophet, Muhammad, was not deceived by him into thinking he was your Allah, speaking through the angel Gabriel? If someone calls himself the greatest of deceivers. I would tend to believe at least the part about being a deceiver and not trust a word he spoke …. whether he was the greatest at it or not.
CogitoErgoSum says
Sorry, I meant to say above that I don’t believe something can come from nothing.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cogitoergosum, if God could manifest Himself as an image and as Light eyes could see when He spoke to Moses, then He is no more than an idol. God is above that. your belief is like that of Hindus that all living things are Gods because they are the image of God.
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim, you are saying that God can’t do that? Then you have no belief that God can do anything.
gravenimage says
True, CogitoErgoSum–Ibrahim itace muhammed is saying that Allah is “fettered”–there is no greater blasphemy in Islam than that:
“The Jews say: Allah’s hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are accursed for saying so…”
–Qur’an 5:64
He has said that all blasphemers must be killed–so he’ll have to take himself out…
Indiana Tom says
Christian resistance to Islam is not coming from the Cathoholic Church and Lamestream Prostratant Churches are equally as worthless.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cogitoergosum, I’m not saying there are things God cannot do, but He is above appearing as an image in human form or as physical light an eye can see. He created spirits like angels, jinns or demons and the satan you call Holy Spirit, and endowed them with power to appear as images like in human or physical light an eye can see, but He is above descending too low to be like created beings,which even your mithraist Bible in Old Testament agrees.
Chris Malan says
God cannot draw a square circle or a triangle with angles adding up to anything but 180 degrees. God cannot violate his own laws.
Susan B says
Chris Malan – you do not know God or you would know that God’s power is without limit without parameters. Perhaps it is time you asked God to reveal himself to you and open your heart not only to his unlimited love but the peace and power he gives all who are connected to him.
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim, God did not create demons, jinns and Satan or anything evil in the world. God created Lucifer and the other angels and gave them the ability to make choices between what is good and what is bad, same as God did with the human beings. God gives some things in His creation the ability to think independently and to make choices. Some choices are good for the independent entity created by God and some are bad. God wants what is best for everything He creates but some things are given the ability to think and the freedom to decide on their own what they think is best for them. That’s called free will.
I see that you say there are some things God can do but He doesn’t want to do. Okay, I can understand that. By my definition of God I’m saying that God can do anything … which would mean that God could create another God who is even more powerful than He is … or could He? Since under my definition, God is already the most powerful thing in the universe (that ever was and ever will be) that would be impossible, wouldn’t it? The best that God could do would be to create something almost equal in power to Him but just the slightest bit less because nothing can be more powerful than what is already or ever will be the most powerful, ….. I think it’s similar to my contention that something can not come from nothing. It’s and idea that our minds just don’t seem to have the ability to understand completely … since we are not God …. tut it’s okay to wonder about what we can’t fully comprehend.
Furthermore, I don’t see how God manifesting Himself in a form which the human eye can see would be something God could not do or would not want to do since that would NOT lead to worshiping an idol because the visible entity being worshiped WOULD BE God. Do you understand that? It would be God and not another god. So worshiping another God would not be the result. No idol worship would be involved.
Think about it, Ibrahim. Thinking is what God wants you to do. Muhammad was wrong to say that some things should just be accepted and not questioned. I say it’s wrong not to ask questions …. and it’s wrong to project our own limitations onto God.
Chris Malan says
The Catholic Church is a fine one calling anyone or anything ‘from the devil.’ They themselves have often been called that and are still called that. The position of Pope is often called the anti-Christ. One will not have to search far to find much on this.
The Catholic Church at a time behaved much the same as the Muslims – they were the only game in town and if you wouldn’t join it was to the stake with you. The parallels are remarkable. Like the Muslims, they killed great numbers. Maybe that’s why they like the Muslims so much. They are hypocrites.
Susan B says
Chris Malan – Where does it say anywhere in Christian doctrine to murder anyone, or to force conversion on anyone???? Exactly, it doesn’t, the fact that some chose to not follow the laws of God is on them, not on Christianity. Christianity teaches only love, peace and forgiveness. Christianity is Jesus.
However, islam does teach to murder and rape kafirs and has the body count to prove it and those commands are followed by loyal muslims. islam grew by convert or die and rape jihad and stays afloat by lies and apostasy laws. If there were no apostasy laws, islam would fold like the deck of cards that it is. islam is mohammad a rapist and mass murdering warlord.
Christianity is the opposite of islam.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2017/10/14/history-735-million-non-muslim-deaths-under-islam/
Tony46 says
Pope Leo I in the year 460 AD, stopped Attila the hun from invading Italy…
Oh,….good days are long gone…
Today he will be demoted like Benedict XVI…
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el Cid 2 says
This pope, and his support for the Islamic invasion of Europe, is the reason I no longer attend the Catholic Church. I remain a Catholic, but attend a Presbyterian service on Sundays.
We all, as followers of Christ, try to serve God, and our fellow man.
The present existential threat to Western Civilization is Islam resurgent. The Left believes that they can control the ‘tiger’ of Islamic Jihad, but if Islam takes over it will, like the tiger, destroy it’s leftist allies without hesitation.
Janice Dougherty says
Said it before: the Catholic church, as well as many Christian churches, is sick with jealousy over the masses of muslims blocking traffic while they pray, of the volume of subservient, unified religious people all controlled by clergy in all manner of normal life. of their “cut” of the sales when asked to put their approval on some item. Many have already converted, or wear the crescent moon and star pins on their cassocks. It’s all about power and ego and vanity, and they don’t care which demon they need to call out as long as they get their satisfaction. They’ll sell their “flock of sheep” to any one with a ready knife in the slaughter house for a buck.
Nicholas A.Sayles says
Men have patterns they cant hide. Voice ,finger prints, eye retnia, hand writing,the govetment thatwill kill 25 percent of the plant outlined in the book of revelations is an Islamic- Nazi government.You can reverse engineer the how and why based on history.It has all played before.Have you learned from history? Getting the jews on the trains was a special job. The idea came from Margret Sanger. It worked so well that Planned Parenthood has used it in the USA for 60 years.Get the religious leader in the church to convince the sheep to trust them, and get on the train. In the USA the black ministers lead the sheep to the abortion clinc. and the polls for the democrats. The democrats supplied Hitler with the technology to run all the trains,military , banks,labor camps,death camps,and industry for the entire war. Then gave thekillers on the ground in t5he camps somewhere to run….oper. paper clip. Check out the picture of Obama after visiting the current pope. Can you handle the truth?