Monsignor Raffaele Nogaro, bishop emeritus of Caserta, says he is ready to “turn all the churches into mosques if it were useful to the cause and if it allowed us to save the lives of men and women.”
And so the Catholic Church continues on its path of aiding and abetting Europe’s civilizational and cultural suicide — not unwittingly, but with its eyes open. As I show in my book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, the Catholic Church was once one of the foremost bulwarks of defense in the jihad against Europe. But those days are long gone, to the degree that those who call attention to the fact that Europe faces a resurgence today of the same threat that it faced for centuries are ruthlessly harassed and silenced by Catholic authorities.
History will judge today’s Catholic prelates quite harshly.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Migrants, priests challenge Salvini: fasting and protests against him,” translated from “Migranti, i preti sfidano Salvini: digiuno e presidio contro di lui,” by Sergio Rame, Il Giornale, July 10, 2018 (thanks to Ralph):
Street priests, nuns and missionaries in the square against Salvini: “Solidarity with migrants.” Ten days of fasting and protests between the Vatican and Montecitorio.
All against Matteo Salvini. Not just the left and the radical chic. Now the “red” priests, those commonly called “on the street,” the missionaries and the nuns, go down into the square.
To express their dissent, as had been announced by Giornale.it in the past few hours, they organized a sort of “relay fast.” For ten days they will take to the streets against the migrant policies of the Northern League minister, beginning today at noon on the dot, with “a day of fasting of justice in solidarity with the migrants” in front of St. Peter’s Basilica. Then, for another ten days, they will be in the same site in front of Montecitorio, where they will hold a permanent protest.
The supporters of the appeal are all men of the Church. We went to Father Alex Zanotelli, who signed on behalf of the Comboni Missionaries, to Monsignor Raffaele Nogaro, bishop emeritus of Caserta, to Fr Alessandro Santoro, who signed on behalf of the Community of the Piagge of Florence, to Sister Rita Giaretta of the Casa Ruth of Caserta. Recalling when Pope Francis challenged the restrictive policies of “Fortress Europe” during the Mass celebrated in Lampedusa for the 33 thousand immigrants who died in the Mediterranean Sea, the organizers asked: “Have you ever cried when you saw a boat of migrants sink?” Then, referring also to Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi who, during the arm-wrestling between Salvini and the Aquarius ship, quoted the Gospel on Twitter: “I was a foreigner and you did not welcome me.” “The choices of the government are incompatible with the Gospel and with the Constitution,” explained Fr Alessandro Santoro, of the community of the Piagge of Florence, to Fatto Quotidiano: “we defend the principle of humanity with the weapons we have: our bodies.”
To today’s protest in St. Peter’s Square (watch the video) very few people showed up. And the protest of the street priests has fallen on deaf ears. But the protesters will go on to protest against Salvini again in the coming days. “We will continue in Montecitorio to testify with fasting against the migration policies of this government,” said Father Zanotelli. “We will continue to fast for another 10 days with a protest in front of Montecitorio from 8AM to 2PM.” “Have you ever cried when you saw a boat of migrants sink?”, asks the priest, adding that “the shipwreck of migrants, the poor, the desperate is also the shipwreck of Europe, and its ideals of being the homeland of human rights.” Next to Father Zanotelli, in San Pietro, there was also the cartoonist Vauro Senesi. The two read the words spoken in an interview by Monsignor Raffaele Nogaro, bishop emeritus of Caserta, in which he said he was ready to “turn all the churches into mosques if it were useful to the cause and if it allowed us to save the lives of men and women.”
St. Manuel II Palailogos says
But of course, all religions are just different expressions of the Divine Essence. We know this from divine simplicity, taught by St. Thomas Aquinas.
Wellington says
False. Thomas Aquinas in his Summa contra gentiles condemned both Islam and Mohammed. It is crystal clear in his writings that Aquinas thought Islam a perversion of religion and that Mohammed was a horrible human being (much along the lines of what John Quincy Adams wrote of Mohammed).
I know you despise the West and Roman Catholicism but this is no reason for inaccuracy. Facts matter you know.
gravenimage says
True, Wellington. Thomas Aquinas never said any such thing.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
St. Manuel II Palailogos, for your misdemeanors of misquoting to mislead and engaging in moral relativism you here forthwith required to surrender your noble nom-de-plume.
Peggy says
If the Catholic church continues to go down this path the Catholics themselves will start to despise it. I can’t imagine how the Vatican can think that Catholics will stand for this much longer. Does the Pope want the church to survive?
If this sort of rubbish was only coming from the Pope I probably would dismiss it as old age problems but so many others in positions of power in the church are acting so irrational too.
Catholic being the largest Christian group simply cannot afford to fragment like this. All of Christian world has to be united because Muslims are.
What on earth do we do now?
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Imam Francis does not want the church to survive. He wants the “one world religion” which includes the death cult of islam. God has different plans.
John York says
Islam is not even a religion. True Religions do not preach hate and murdering non-followers. I’ll bet you cannot think of one real religion that preaches hate and murdering non-followers.
Sile Roberto says
Start to despise? He’s neglected RCs for a long time in favour of his globalist agenda. I have mo trust in this fool & have no problem ignoring his decrees
timar aryat says
many Catholics priests have converted to islam, so what is the problem if all churches converted to mosques.
Susan B says
Actually it would not matter one way or the other. Jesus is our church and there is no building required. We have his strength and love within us so we are always in his church.
JawsV says
“I’ll bet you cannot think of one real religion that preaches hate and murdering non-followers.”
Yes I can, John York — Islam. It’s a religion. It has a deity. But, it’s not a good religion. It’s a BAD religion. “Religion” doesn’t automatically mean good.
JawsV says
Sez the Muslim, timar. You’re a liar like all Muslims. No, Catholic priests are not converting to your barbaric Godless (Allah isn’t God) religion. We should be converting all mawsks (love the spelling) into churches. Mawsks should be razed and relegated to history. Islam too, a plague on the planet.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Peggy, have you ever heard of the book called “The Dictator Pope” by Henry Sire?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpMdawyly6c
gravenimage says
timar aryat wrote:
many Catholics priests have converted to islam, so what is the problem if all churches converted to mosques.
………………..
What claptrap, Citations, please.
Nick K says
The Vatican is nothing more than a placeholder for the Devil and Antichrist – this much is very clear
RichardL says
It is NOT the Church! It is individual Catholics, some of them very important members of the nomenclature. I know many priests who see islam as the gravest threat to humanity.
gravenimage says
Glad to hear it, Richard!
Nancy Hulbert says
I have already left the church and will not go back until this Pope is gone and the church turns back to it’s Christian roots again
Sean says
Francis fears islam. Francis, at best, is lukewarm to the Catholic faith.
When push comes to shove, and it will come, Francis will fold like a cheap camera.
He rarely, almost never in fact, says the words “Catholic” or “Catholic Church”. There is a reason for that which becomes more clear each and every day. He is building and staffing ‘FrancisChurch’.
Bet on it.
Josh F says
Go to a Traditionl Latin Mass.
John York says
You are right. St Thomas exposed Islam for what it is a bloodthirsty murdering cult full of pedophiles.
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
It does matter if the RC establishment stands aside in favour of Islam. The RC church known as the Vatican has diplomatic recognition and status in the United Nations where it can choose to defend Islam and ignore the crimes of self-styled followers of Islam.
In addition it controls substantial wealth around the world and can choose to actively, if secretly, support the Islamic Jihad.
Its diplomatic status should be revoked for a start.
gravenimage says
Clive, I don’t believe that the Catholic Church is secretly funding Jihad.
It is just that many–including the Pope–are in complete denial over the threat of Islam.
kangi_yotaka says
Aquinas isn’t exactly a paragon of virtue.
Aquinas said Jews have nothing except what they get from usury, therefore anything may be taken from them and given to “pious purposes” – basically jizya in christian clothing.
“…The Jews by reason of their fault are sentenced to perpetual servitude and thus the lords of the lands in which they dwell may take things from them as though they were their own — with, nonetheless, this restraint observed that the necessary subsidies of life in no way be taken from them, because it still is necessary that we “walk honestly even in the presence of those who are outsiders (I Thes. 4:11),” “lest the name of the Lord be blasphemed (I Tim. 6:1),” ”
In the same letter, Aquinas also wrote: “Finally you ask whether it is good that Jews throughout your province are compelled to wear a sign distinguishing them from Christians. The reply to this is plain: that, according to a statute of the general Council, Jews of each sex in all Christian provinces, and all the time, should be distinguished from other people by some clothing.”
https://thomistica.net/letter-to-margaret-of-flanders/?rq=letter%20jews
Frank Anderson says
K.Y., there is a teaching that says if you look at the “Old Testament”, what Jews call the Tanakh, there are no perfect people. No matter how great they were or what great things they did, they could still be real stinkers. We will be waiting and suffering a long time if we demand perfection of those who lead or inspire us. Every once in a while, even real stinkers get something right, no doubt in my mind because of Help from God. “Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.” Or, “Do unto others as you *wish* they would do unto you.”
gravenimage says
OT to Frank–I replied to you on an old thread that I had lost track of here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/07/canada-in-acquitting-muslim-accused-of-multiple-sexual-assaults-judge-cites-his-different-cultural-background#comment-1941062
gravenimage says
No one here was defending all of Aquinas’s views–just saying that he understood the threat of Islam.
Kevin H Larkin says
Gives rise/credence to theory of Catholicism helping to start Islam to combat Protestantism…
Robert Spencer says
Islam began in the 7th century. Protestantism began in the 16th century. So….
JawsV says
End of that theory, Mr. Larkin.
gravenimage says
This is a ludicrous assertion.
Kepha says
Who ever promulgated the idea that the Roman Church started Islam in order to counteract Protestantism? Apart from the dates given by others, the whole idea is preposterous (and I write as a God-bless-King-Billy Protestant who believes that the movements of men like Wycliffe, Hus, Waldo, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Knox, Cranmer and the like were well justified).
My wife and I actually visited Cadserta a couple of summers ago. The Bourbon kings of Naples/Two Sicilies build a palace there, hoping to rival Versailles. It appears that the RC church in the area, under the guidance of Bp Nogaro were probably receiving a religion other than that of Christ during his tenure. It appears that Nogaro’s the sort whose chief end is not to glorify God and enjoy him forever, but to prove to a bunch of snide SJW that he’s more tolerant than thou.
While I’m the first to call for seeking peace with all men as much as it is up to us, and to pray for the peace of this secualr city in which I live, I find there is way too much accommodation of Islam and secular Leftism going on in the major Christian denominations–and both Islam and secular Leftism laugh through their teeth at these accommodations. Christ did not teah us to learn from the purveyors of falsehood, but to preach his atoning sacrifice on the cross and his resurrection from the dead. To a Christian, Islam cannot be of God since the Qur’an itself denies the crucifixion and denies that Jesus is God incarnate (cf. Jn. 1:1-18). Its misrepresentation of the Holy Trinity as including Mary shows that Muhammad didn’t know what he was talking about.
Bible-literate and Christ-honoring Christian laity need to call these “blind guides” to account..
Sons of Liberty says
Kevin H Larkin,…. Your theory is about as fact based as the man made global warming theory ! Islam came from the deranged mind of Muhammad after he was possessed by Satan .
Baucent says
Probably the most stupid claim made on this thread.
tony said says
Completely true.But what he says is exactly what Francis believes, and his four predecessors believed. though they knew enough of St. Thomas not to misquote him, not to be too explicit in their radical heresy. These men long ago left the authentic magisterial Catholic doctrine on the Church and salvation, and embraced that of liberal mainline protestant sects. Their liberalism is so deeply ingrained that they can’t even believe the facts about Islam staring them in the face. They MUST have a liberal democratic “church”, no matter what the consequences for those entrusted to their care and the world in general. Indeed: “They are blind guides.”
Gene says
The Catholic Church left the Church in the period where the papacy was sold and sexual misconduct was rampant. When church councils condemn men to death for their beliefs as the Catholic Church did with John Hus, they have strayed from the teachings of Christ and the Catholic Church was no longer led by Christian teachings. It was Catholic Church leaders who were condemned and expelled for protesting the Catholic Church departure from Christ. The further departure from scripture declaring the infallibility of the Poepe and the continuing elevation of Mary to a co-equal of Christ not based on Christ teachings or traditions of the very early Church negated the Catholic claims of the 1st Church as it no longer represents the teachings of Christ and the apostles.
gravenimage says
Actually, Pope Benedict was quite savvy about the threat of Islam.
mortimer says
Agree with Wellington once more on all counts.
Furthermore, the BISHOPS have a DUTY to defend Christendom from all false IDEOLOGIES (who else will)?
Bishops SHOULD SAY 1) Mohammed is a false prophet 2) Islam is a DANGEROUS IDEOLOGY 3) The Church’s mission is to evangelize ALL Muslims.
Furthermore, governments can do more to help the migrants IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES where they are in their own culture. Helping those countries to increase their SCHOOLING OF GIRLS is one of the BEST things Western governments can do. It will bring wealth and destroy the influence of Islam and lower the Islamic birth rate.
Alexius Comnenus says
I agree with your statement: the Catholic Church lost its missionary aspect. The Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI mentioned this. If the Church loses its missionary prerogative, than, it means what had happened within the first 1000 years of existence, its not God’s will.
The Universal Church must to reaffirm its missionary call to evangelize the whole world, including the muslim world. Islam is not a religion! Our Lady of LaSalette said in 1946 that Rome will become the ‘seat of AntiChrist’.
It is tragic to hear and see Catholic prelates defending Islam and being open to allow the islamization of Europe. This Pope does not want to lead the Church on a good missionary path, but blindly lead it to spiritual perversion and self-destruction.
el Cid 2 says
Mortimer – you are right Sir. The Catholic Church, under pope Francis, has lost its way.
Christians, as well as all other faiths, besides Islam, and even those of no faith, must unite in opposition to Islam (A supremacist political ideology, one without a ‘Golden Rule’ to do unto others as you would have them do unto you).
Christian Bishops should say 1) Mohammed is a false prophet 2) Islam is a dangerous ideology 3) the church’s mission is to evangelize all Muslims.
And we should help them in their own countries, and not bring them here to destroy ours (with time and demographic growth).
fudge says
Well any priest who agrees with the muslims must be paedophile themselves
gravenimage says
Not necessarily. This is a ridiculous assertion. Many people are in denial about the threat of Islam.
Lydia Church says
100% false.
The only religion that is an expression of God is Biblical Christianity.
God is not the author of confusion and contradiction, but of truth, which is His truth, found in the Bible. It is not a relative or subjective matter, but one of absolute truth.
It also matters not what anyone else other than God says about the matter.
In the Bible, Acts 4; 12 says that there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved, in John 14; 6 Jesus says that He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE, and no man comes to the Father BUT BY HIM.
There is no room for acquiescent platitudes to other religions in any of that, nor anywhere else in the Bible.
Alexius Comnenus says
And where your Bible comes from??? The ‘One, Holy, Apostolic and Catholic Church’ through the work of the Holy Spirit, accepted the canonical books of the NT at Council of Hippo and Cartage 393-397. The Church gave you this Bible.
I am not judgmental but historical correct. The Divine Revelation is contained in the Holy Tradition and the Holy Scripture. These two cannot be separated as the Protestants did beginning 1520.
I agree with you that Christianity is the only true religion with respect to the people who did not see the divine enlightenment yet.
Kepha says
The “first Pope” Peter said that the prophecies of the Bible came from holy men moved by the Holy Spirit of God (II Pt. 1:20-21).
Kepha says
See II Pt. 1:20-21. The “first Pope” says that God the Holy Spirit moved certain men to speak in his name. The idea that the RC Church gave us the Bible is just another Roman boast.
Andrew says
So your saying the Vatican created both Islam, through Khadijah Muhammad’s first wife in the convent as well as creating Theosophy…
Hmm now why would the “ Little Horn “ do that I wonder ?
Jayell says
‘All religions are different expressions of the same divine essence’? And muslims would no doubt claim that their’s is the latest. Just like a barrel of distilled alcohol beverage – 99% of it might be superb, but steer of the first 1% you draw off because it will rot your brain. I notice that the hero of this story is a ‘Bishop Emeritus’ – clearly they’ve retired him because he was the first to get to the barrel too many times.
Michael T says
All religions are bunkum created to fool the naive, enslave them and separate them from their money.
R Russell says
Michael,
There is a difference between religion, whatever one is chosen, and a personal friendship in the spiritual realm with the Jesus of the Bible.
Some religions may be after your money but Jesus gave more than that. He left his royal throne to become a man so he could be charged with our imperfections and take the penalty laid out by the ‘court’ for them meaning we don’t have to take the punishment, he did. However he doesn’t force his friendship on to us, or force us to accept his gift as a result of him taking our punishment in our place. If you want to go your own way. That’s OK. You wont ever know what you missed till it is too late.
Susan B says
Michael, religion of the spirit does the opposite of what islam, atheist and or Nazis do or have done. Until you have experienced the peace and joy of the Holy Spirit you have no point of reference. You can however look at the results of Christianity in science, democracy, hospitals, schools charity and human rights.
And Buddhist and Hindus etc have a spiritual connection to God and therefore also have a moral compass.
And it does not take long to look at the results of Islam, 750 million slaughtered and probably twice as many raped. And of course islamic hell holes still stuck in the 7th century show what islam is.
Or the results of Atheist regimes who have an estimated body count of 250 million dead between 1900-1987 alone.
Or the results of Nazism which resulted in the death of approximately 60 million.
What islam and atheist and Nazism have in common is no God. They have no 10 commandments or golden rule. The pagan moon god, allah is a phony made up god with no connection to the real God. Why do you think that islam has no moral compass; they are commanded to rape and murder.
JawsV says
No, Christianity isn’t bunkum, Michael T. You’re bunkum.
dhans says
MIcheal T Your thoughtless comment shows a complete lack of understanding to what a true religion like Christianity brings to civilization and countries. Imagine if ;you lived in a Muslim country. Imagine living in a non Christian country, where there exists no Christian morality. If morality is self determined, then who am I to say that someone like Ted Bundy is not a “moral” person? Morality can never be self determined, you only wish it so in an attempt to justify your own failings.
Jim Hane says
This bishop should just convert to Islam! He is already behaving like a Muslim!
patriotliz says
Continuing to pretend ISLAM is just another “religion” on par with other major religions is the West’s Achilles heel…think wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225 – 1274):
“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this, The point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning, Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Muhammad forced others to become his followers by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on the part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be. seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place any faith in his words believe foolishly.”
patriotliz says
TO: St. Manuel II Palailogos–
You should know that Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaiologos was a critic of Islam, who said: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”
Pope Benedict quoted that at a lecture at Regensburg…and subsequently ‘stepped down’ as Pope and, lo and behold, we got that Jesuit Leftist commie dhimmi Pope Francis.
That was the beginning of the end of the Catholic Church as I knew it.
J D S says
St. Manuel has lost it and Wellington and many others here on JW have have well put his thoughts to rest so no need for another disagreement by myself.
Now to the suggestion from that Roman Catholic Bishop’s suggestion of turning Churches into mosques…Well if the imams and in fact all muslim clerics start teaching Converting to Christianity Then…. lead on. Otherwise this would be suicide of a sort.
As I have said many times…Stupidity breeds stupidity.
And now to Michael T’s stupid comment….I will simply say this….Its people like you and your way of thinking that has let Islam get a foothold in most nations today……Even if one does not believe in God or his Son Jesus IF they would follow the principals of the teachings in Christianity the world would be a safer and much better place to .live.
WESTPAC Spy says
Why do idiots like you attempt to preach your ignorance to people who know better than you do what you hallucinate you are talking about?.
Jay says
Obviously you have willingly bought the lies that the devil is selling these days about all religions being the same. Unfortunately you will find out on judgement day that God does not recognize anyone except Jesus Christ as payment for sin and the resulting eternity in hell that comes to those who reject Gods Son Jesus as their only salvation from sin.
Elizabeth says
Not true
Wellington says
The ancient Egyptian religion lasted some 3,000 years. If the Roman Catholic Church does not soon reverse its present suicidal policies it will be written that it lasted some 2,000 years.
Yes, it’s this dire for the Roman Catholic Church. Yes it is.
Peggy says
This problem seems too big for an average Catholic to solve.
Islam wants to fragment Christians but we can’t allow them to win. It doesn’t matter who is Catholic and who isn’t we have to stick together. All I can think of is telling our friends who are Catholic that this is happening in some of their churches and maybe they can pressure their priest.
I’m lost as to what we can do. Any ideas are welcome.
dhans says
The answer is simple. Read the Bible and stop listening to people that want to turn Christianity into something that just supports their own belief systems. This is what false Christianity is. Find a church that is Bible oriented.
Andrew says
It has not yet reached 1500 years ( sitting at 1480 ).
And the Charagma being but a Sunday away it’s not likely they’ll see past 1490…
Kepha says
Actually, the ancient Egyptian religion was largely replaced by Christianity in the centuries between roughly A.D. 70 and 500. The last known hieroglyphic (used by the old Egyptian religion) text dates from the late 4th century; it seems that that it had been yielding ground to Coptic–Egyptian written in a modified Greek alphabet–which was developed largely by Christians for Christian purposes, for a couple of centuries prior. Many in the West tend to forget that Egypt had a noteworthy “Christian era” between the time it became a Roman province and its conquest by Islam.
Wayne L says
This guy is either ignorant of history, foolish or apostate. Their ( islam ) grand purpose is to rid the earth of Christians and Christianity. ALLAH ABUAR means GOD is greater !!!! Greater than who??? Man NO NO NO greater than your GOD!!!!
GYST priest !!!
Dick says
What a muppet
Keys says
Yes, from the balcony like Statler and Waldorf; or from the bellfry, maybe.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/15/article-2218263-00C3FFBE00000578-865_634x384.jpg
Save Europe says
Yep. He should now fly to Saudi Arabia and ask them to convert some mosques into Churches. We all know the response…..
Rosie Barnes says
Perhaps they should be directing their Christian ways and compassion to the REAL poor and desperate of the world. According to the World Bank, more than 800 million people struggle to survive on a couple of dollars a day. They are trapped by poverty, corruption and war.
These “migrants” the Catholic church is so keen to welcome and install in our countries have paid THOUSANDS of dollars to people-smugglers. THEY ARE NOT THE WORLD’S POOR. They are the better off, even rich, of the Third World, economic migrants with an eye on an easy life in Europe. They have smartphones and access to the Internet, so they know very well not to seek asylum in Southern Europe, but to head for the welfare-generous, “multicultural” paradises of Britain, Sweden and Germany – Britain in particular. They are the class which should be staying to fight for their countries, rebuild them, and make them better places not only for themselves but for those less fortunate people they have abandoned.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MORE SELFISH MIGRATION IN HISTORY. These migrants should not even be allowed to set foot on European soil, let alone be “processed” and trigger a lengthy and costly asylum process, as the vast majority have no claim to asylum whatsoever. For any genuine refugees, there have always been proper immigration procedures in place. These thousands, millions, are attempting to enter Europe illegally. And illegally means criminal behaviour, which warrants immediate deportation. No questions, no argument.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, selfish and covetous are the words to describe most of these illegal immigrants. They covet and lust after the worldly possessions of the others. They are not among the poor and dispossessed. They just want a “better life.” However, in fact, they are breaking one of the Ten Commandments prohibiting coveting the things that are your neighbor’s. Furthermore, those who encourage these illegal migrants in doing this are also just as guilty of committing a transgression against God.
Asally says
You have to understand that their official teaching is that they are permitted to take what non-Muslims have. It is, they believe, their right – and duty – to do so. So if they are allowed to come they will proceed to do what their belief system tells them, what Mohammed tells them – that they are intended to live off of the “jizyah” – stolen goods – of non-Muslims. We should not be “rescuing” sinking boats of migrants but assuring them as a matter of humanity that they will be refused entry if they survive the trip. This would discourage the boats and hence the sinking and it would dry up the illicit trafficking. Italy is trying to curb this finally. It is, of course, much to late to avoid great damage, but better now than later. We are at war with Islam and its promoters, the Muslims. We should never allow them to be embedded in the West.
Ric says
The betraying utterance by this Italian Bishop should not shock or awe anyone. After all, Pope Francis is the quintessential traitor of his faith and his gullible flock. It echoes the historical treachery of Pious the X11 when he did and said naught to aid European Jewry in pre-war Germany but more so, his silence and inert while the Reich murdered en-masse 6, 000, 000 Jews. Francis and his church are culpable in the slaughter of Middle Eastern Christians with not a whiff of remorse.
There is a contagion infecting not solely the like of Francis but those Leftist Progressives worldview, there seemingly is no antidote. A pandemic of hatred, bigotry, a loathing of Western Judeo-Christian principles nurtured in the gut of the extreme left and Islam. Kipling wrote, “the east is east, and west is west the twain will never meet.” It was so until the birth of today’s Liberal Progressivism and its fusion with Islam.
Wellington says
Wrong, Ric, about Pius XII. Pius saved more Jews by working behind the scenes than any other person in history, whether Jewish or non-Jewish. Pius saved some 800,000 Jews (and many non-Jews as well) by his clever tactics. You have bought the nonsense about Pius, begun by Hochhuth with his deceptive and mendacious play, The Deputy (1963), which came five years after Pius’ death when he was lauded by the worldwide Jewish community, including a moving eulogy at the UN by Golda Meir, the Israeli Foreign Minister at the time, for all that he had done for European Jewry during the dark age which Nazi Germany temporarily imposed upon Europe. Do you know any of this?
For instance, Pius instructed the Papal Nuncio to France, Cardinal Angelo Roncalli, the future John XXIII, to issue fake baptismal certificates to thousands of French Jewish children to pass them off as Catholics and so avoid what the Nazis wanted to do with these children . He did far more than this but I think you are unaware of any of it. In short, you have, unfortunately, proved again what the Emperor Napoleon said about the past, i.e., that history is a pack of lies agreed upon. It wouldn’t surprise me if you had a high opinion of Mahatma Gandhi, who was a fool, a crank, someone whom Winston Churchill deservedly despised and who caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people, and whose very “career” first and foremost only proves the overall decency of the British Empire.
Reconsider matters. That is if you are able.
Keys says
Excellent reply to Ric, Wellington.
As you say, Pius XII “did far more than this”.
Ric, who accuses him of “historical treachery” saying he “did and said naught to aid European Jewry … “ is probably unaware that the Chief Rabbi of Rome at the time, Israel Zolli, converted to Catholicism and took for his baptismal name “Eugenio Maria” to honor Pope Pius XII, who was born Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli.
In Eugenio (formerly Israel) Zolli’s autobiography, “Before the Dawn: Autobiographical Reflections” one may read about what Pius XII from Zolli’s perspective.
This tiresome accusation seems to come up at least once a year at JW.
Ecosse1314 says
Well said Wellington. One day you will not have to tell people this but probably not any day soon.
gravenimage says
Excellent, Wellington.
Rarely says
Wellington.
Unfortunately Pius XII’s actions in WWII are still very unsettled. Although he was not as inactive as was previously argued (and he did do what he could to save Italian Jews and with some success). He also did his best to save Hungary’s Jews by pleading successfully for the stop to deportations in 1944 and promoted “fake” baptismal certificates.
However his actions fall far short of qualifying him for sainthood.
Wellington says
I never brought up the matter of sainthood. Being the agnostic that I am, sainthood candidacy is not high on my list of priorities or concerns although I would think saving hundreds of thousands of people would serve as a good start as long as other things like at least one confirmed miracle could be attributed to such a candidate (N.B., personally I don’t believe in miracles but I digress). In any case, I would aver that Pius saved a hell of a lot people, both Jewish and non-Jewish, and then was trashed by horrible historical revisionism from about five years after his death in 1958 until around 2000 when, thankfully, a revisionism of the revisionism of Pius’s pontificate started happening.
Also, for the record and all that, Pius was not always silent. This too is false. For instance, his Christmas message of 1942, which included a very thinly veiled attack on Nazism, infuriated Hitler. Pius was aware that Hitler might want to imprison him as Napoleon did Pius VII and this is why he kept a letter in his desk which only a few of his closest associates knew about which instructed the College of Cardinals to consider any imprisonment of him by Hitler to be as good as an abdication and that they should thereafter meet and elect a new Pope. Pius had no interest in being a Pope in name only, denuded of any influence or power.
As far as I have been able to discern, Pius handled the extraordinarily difficult position he was in during WWII with consummate skill and a profound sense of the worthiness of the individual human being. This does not mean he did not make mistakes, he himself admitted this, but I am inclined very much to the point of view that no one in Pius’s position could have performed more competently and humanely than he did.
Michael T says
The Church gave aid and rescue to the worst Nazi war criminals by means of the ratlines in which the Church gave Vatican passports to this filthallowing them to escape to South America via the Odessa Organization. The Church has much blood on its hands. Jesus would never be a Catholic considering the abysmal treatment handed out to the Jews by the Church over the centuries.
Paul says
What matters is the direction in which the history of a religion or civilization moves. You can’t judge a civilization merely by looking at the past. Christianity including Catholicism has moved in the direction of living up to its fundamental values, which are surely good, despite its history. Same with the US in the area of civil rights, women’s rights, etc. A big reason for moving in the right direction is that despite the evildoers there has been a core group of good people who have sought to live by the true values of their religion or constitution. But Islam–hasn’t seemed to change a bit, and its not clear even that its values are even all that good.
Wellington says
Michael T: While a distinct minority of Catholic clergy were involved with the ratlines there is zero evidence that Pius XII had anything to do with them. Pius despised both Nazism and Marxism and even before he was Pope indicated to many his disdain for Nazism. Indeed, he was chiefly responsible next to Pius XI (1922-1939) himself for the 1937 papal encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge, which was read from every Catholic pulpit on Palm Sunday of that year (March 21st). The encyclical is a denunciation of many of the principles of Nazism and greatly irritated Hitler and his highly placed cronies.
Pius XII also clearly favored the Allies in WWII but knew an official neutrality would best serve his interests in secretly aiding many to escape the horrors the Nazis inflicted on millions. Interestingly, Pius quietly but steadily transferred liquid Vatican assets to American financial institutions. The man had a lot on his plate to put it mildly and yet saved hundreds of thousands of people by working behind the scenes. Again, there is no evidence that Pius himself had anything to do with the ratlines. These were engaged in furtively by rogue clergy. Yet another indication of Pius’s disgust with Nazism is that after the war he elevated several clergy who had been staunchly anti-Nazi to the College of Cardinals.
WESTPAC Spy says
Analysis: True. Pope Francis is the quintessential traitor of his faith
Analysis: False. and his gullible flock.
His flock is not hoodwinked by this traitorous old fool.
Analysis: False. It echoes the historical treachery of Pious the X11 when he did and said naught to aid European Jewry in pre-war Germany but more so, his silence and inert while the Reich murdered en-masse 6, 000, 000 Jews
Pious XII in his capacity as Bishop of Rome hid the entire Jewish population of Rome in churches, seminaries, and other church-owned properties throughout the city. All throughout Italy the same was going on. Bishops were hiding Jews in their churches, seminaries, monasteries, convents, etc., often disguising them as priests, monks, and nuns. Individual Italians, actually whole towns, also took great risks to save both Italian Jews and Jewish refugees.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-holocaust-italian-jews-edit-1010-20141010-story.html
“How Italy protected Jews from the Holocaust
…In the Italian village of Anghiari, another Catholic feast day approached. It was 1943 and an anxious moment for 7-year-old Adina Sella and her family, German-Jewish refugees living under the remarkable protection of Italian locals. Numerous people had taken significant risks for the family, creating cover stories, watching out for them and avoiding opportunities to report them — either to German authorities or their Italian Fascist partners.
And so Sella, born Peggy Schaufeld in Hamburg, Germany, became Lucia Scapelli of Anghiari, and her family became, under duress, students of Italian culture.
‘The priest took it upon himself on the eve of every Italian holiday or day of remembrance to tell us how to behave,’ Sella, now a 78-year-old Chicago psychologist, told us. ‘They used to come in the evening, ‘Signore, signora, tomorrow is the Feast of St. Anthony, and on this feast you tie your kerchief this way, and give a donation there, hold your rosary like this … It was very, very important to blend in.'”
Your information is ahistorical, not historical. Pious had to resist quietly as he was afraid the Germans would occupy the Vatican and then he would have been powerless to aid the Jews and other victims of Nazi oppression. It was precisely because of his leadership that Italian Catholics wouldn’t abandon the Jews in their care. According to the U.S. Holocaust Museum approximately eighty percent of the Jews in Italy survived the war. I don’t believe that was the highest survival rate in Europe but it was at least among the top three.
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Would that we had a Pope Pious XII now.
gravenimage says
Quite so, WESTPAC Spy. Good post.
Barbara Marrs says
The movie SCARLET AND THE BLACK does a good job of showing how Pope Pius , the Vatican did what they could to save the Jews, downed pilots and other allied troops. They had a lot of civilians helping. It was dangerous.
The European says
To Palaiologos
When dealing with Islam, Thoams Aquinas was quite outspoken.
He wrote, for example: “Muhammad said he was sent in the power of his arms, which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”
If you like to learn more about his opinions on Islam, read Summa contra Gentiles, Book 1, chapter 16, Art.4!
eduardo odraude says
Thanks for that reference.
eduardo odraude says
But that reference number seems to be incorrect (?).
eduardo odraude says
Here’s an article on Aquinas’ views about Islam. Aquinas only addresses Islam explicitly in a couple of places, the article says.
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2012/01/28/aquinas-on-islam/
Aquinas himself exemplifies the huge difference between Islam and Christianity. Aquinas was sainted by the Church for seeking to unite Aristotle with Christianity. The Muslim philosopher Averroes, who tried to unite Aristotle with Islam, had his books burned by Muslim clerical authorities.
Even if for the sake of argument one assumes that Christianity is a pure tissue of fantasy, it remains true that it has very different social outcomes than does Islam. The teachings of the central figure portrayed in the New Testament lead to open societies. Islam, by contrast, leads to authoritarian and totalitarian societies the more Muhammad’s teachings are implemented.
Wellington says
Your last paragraph in your 6:57 P.M. post, eduardo, is simply superb. It contains a great deal of wisdom and insight and I salute you for it. I hope many here at JW read it.
gravenimage says
Wellington is right–fine post, Eduardo.
The European says
Go to TFP Student Action, punch in Thomas Aquinas, and you should find the Quote!
PRCS says
Really on point, eduardo. Thank you!
Even atheists should be able to acknowledge how completely different the world would be had Muslims achieved Islam’s goal of subjugating all humanity under the hegemony of Islamic law.
eduardo odraude says
Thanks very much, Wellington, gravenimage, and PRCS.
To the European:
thanks, I’ll check it.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Read some, not all of the comments and thank those who seek truth although, not Catholic and some are.
Wellington, gravenimage, PRCS, eduardo odraude, The European and others, who are in the same mould, who I have no mentioned.
There is a need to seek truth, question, look for evidence and facts, in all things.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Eduardo and Malcolm.
CogitoErgoSum says
Does this bishop acknowledge the existence of the soul? It is apparent that his only concern is with the physical body and not with the soul. Turning the churches into mosques would be a complete betrayal of Christ’s directive to his disciples to go and baptize all people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Islam denies the Trinity and the belief that Jesus is the Son of God who will be the final Judge of mankind on the last day. This bishop has chosen to bow down to Satan for the pleasures of this world and has forgotten Mark 8:36: “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” This bishop’s soul is in serious trouble.
Barbara Marrs says
Our Lady of Fatima warned that the Vatican would be infiltrated by enemies of her son. It used to be we were taught about the warnings and the meaning of the messages Our Lady gave us through the children at Fatima and Lourdes.
Keys says
Foolish statement by Nogaro, who is ready to “turn all the churches into mosques …”.
Is this virtue signaling, or just a manner of speaking ? All, not some of, the churches ? If there are, then, no churches only mosques is step two to turn all parishioners into muslims ? sarc/. Think this will make his congregations furious ?
The churches are not his to give. Even if it was decided to utilize the churches for shelters, why turn them in to mosques ? Do sheperds turn sheep shelters into wolf lairs ?
Micheal Proulx says
The Pope is anti-christ in my opinion, a wolve in sheep’s clothing.
Lydia Church says
That he is indeed.
Ecosse1314 says
We will get over a few bad Popes Lydia. We all know what you think of RCs. Not Chtistian was one of your funnier comments.
Lydia Church says
A few????
No, not Christian.
But it’s not funny.
It is a false belief system of which the people are the victims.
Anyone who reads the Bible all the way can see this.
Ecosse1314 says
If it wasn’t for the Church you Lydia wouldn’t have your tiny church. Even the Bible you read was decided by the Church.
Ecosse1314 says
In fact now I think about it Lydia you are hilarious. Billions upon billions of RCs are wrong tens of thousands of theologians over 2000 years are wrong. All because Lydia has read her bible and said so.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Ecosse1314
Well said agree with you 100%. It is amazing that a small little constitution of a country needs a host of learned Judges and Library of books to interpret what the originators of the constitution intended.
Yet any individual Christian is an interpreter of the Holy Bible, this makes them more infalible than any Pope.
Not defaming Christians in general as opposing Catholic Church interpretation of the bible, just pointing out. it is not that easy to have the language skills, the means or the intellectual skills to do this, for any one, individual.
Just think as the Bible one huge constitution,
Lydia Church,think of the Catholic Church as a Church of sinners and the Catholic teaching that sets the moral bar to the highest level that Jesus revealed, that some succeed in attaining others striving to attain, and others failing. Every Catholic knows their weakness so forgive us if we do not measure to your moral standards.
Wellington says
Pope Francis I is not the anti-Christ, Michael Proulx. This is nonsense-speak and discredits the speaker of such nonsense and does not aid in any way the attempt to thwart what Islam intends for us all.
Rather, Pope Francis I is “merely” a fool, just as many Protestant ministers, Orthodox priests and Jewish rabbis have been.
Keep your eye on the ball and don’t go off into hysterics. It makes you look ridiculous and hinders matters. Grow up and wake up.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, every where I turn, it looks like so many are “drinking” Jim Jones’ Kool-Aid. Denomination does not seem to matter.
eduardo odraude says
True, though some groups seem to be more awake than others about this issue (perhaps the evangelical Christians, for example).
Peggy says
I don’t agree that the people you mentioned are fools at all. There are traitors in every organisation, including a church and these people are traitors.
Priests, Bishops and Cardinals are educated very well in their field so I think they are aware of what religions are all about.
Whether they are Catholic, Orthodox or Jewish if they aid the enemy they are traitors and should be removed from their positions.
gravenimage says
Peggy, there are lots of well educated people who are fools, and who have subjects on which they are entirely ignorant. I live in an area with high rates of education, but where most people are completely clueless about the threat of Islam.
Frank Anderson says
Peggy, there is more than 1 way to remove one from a position of power over “me”. Either get him fired and replaced, or leave the organization. If the organization refuses to see the corruption then the organization can only be recognized as corrupt and no longer worthy of “my” support, participation and submission to its control. That may be the conclusion explained in Patrick McGoohan’s series from 1967, The Prisoner. An element of truth is present in the statement, “One is the loneliest number.” But in the final analysis, instead of our always being Number Six, the ordinary subservient member of society, there is a time when we need to declare to abusive and irresponsible Number Two’s that we are Number One. Please if reasonably possible view the 17 episode series to correct my deficiencies in explaining.
gravenimage says
Sorry–but not surprised–to hear this, Peter.
Barbara Marrs says
The protestants were true to the state beliefs of their chosen religion. Francis has spouted to much that is not Catholic.
tedh754 says
I was taught that suicide is a sin. That’s what these morons are committing.
Frank Anderson says
tedh754, suicide is probably a basic right for an individual. But that right to decide when “I” have had enough does not include the authority to say for you that “YOU” have had enough and should die to make room for someone else. The people who follow the example of the Pope are committing murder, not suicide. In 1400 years, more or less, 300 MILLION people have been killed by the Islamic conquest, and rising every day. “Anyone who aids, abets, counsels or acts in furtherance of a federal crime is equally guilty.” 18 United States Code Section 2. Until that is realized instead of being ignored, it will continue.
FYI says
Yet another one of the judas priests…another of these collared,Christless,Whited Sepulchres.
They are like a pack of wolves.
francis himself:the great heretic and promoter of apostasy,the destroyer of Catholicism and betrayer of Christians.Most catholics won’t see that but the remnant will.
It will be an absolute miracle of any of these “Christians” will be spared.
Given that allah is antichristian k9;30:turning a church into a mosque is in the service of antiChrist
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
The are already mosques, Imam Francis proclaimed it so.
gravenimage says
Pope Francis is not responsible for granting Mosques building permits in Europe.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
gravenimage, no, however, Imam Francis is defending the murderers of Christians and not the Christian victims. So as the leader of the RC church they may as well be mosques since Imam Francis has chosen islam over Christianity.
gravenimage says
I would not go that far, Susan–but I do take your point.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Should read they are already mosques.
Bob Carrillo says
Just stick to the Vatican, and leave the rest of Italy to the Italians..
Please allow me..
YOU’RE FIRED!
Lydia Church says
That guy has capitulated to the devil! He cares nothing for their soul! If it were a matter of shelter, there is no need to do anything of the sort, there is no reason to change them to mosques, for no cause! There is no good cause that could come from it or justify it, none! To the contrary, mosques should be converted into churches!!! He has denied the faith and Jesus, betrayed both souls lost and saved, and sold his soul to the devil! He goes on about their physical life but kills their soul by not only such a deed, but by even uttering such words! That is denying Jesus, something you can NEVER do, or He will deny you! This guy is just part of this whole conspiracy to hand it all over to islam!
All of them are involved in it, knowingly or not. There may be a connection to that Libya threat earlier, something else lurking beneath the surface. Time will tell. And more of this appeal to pity rhetoric, and Scripture twisting to top it off.
THEY ARE ANATHEMA!
Elizabeth L says
A pox on this demented bishop. I am assuming that with his declaration, he is comfortable with sharia law, death to apostates, gays, atheists, pedophelia, child marriage, murder, rape, and the utter torment and denigration of women. How dare he make such a declaration? NOT in MY name, nor in the names of devout Catholics everywhere,. This bland and leftist disregard and respect for the precepts and dogma left by our saviour, Jesus Christ, and the sacrifices of countless saints and martyrs to uphold the Christian faith are made a mockery by this dreadful man. Away with him. He should be defrocked and dismissed immediately.
eduardo odraude says
Can we send this criminally negligent bishop to Syria or Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan? If you are a Christian, isn’t there a better way to go? Evangelical Christianity, maybe?
To be fair though, there are hero Catholics, like Robert Spencer and William Kilpatrick, among others.
Why don’t Islam-critical bishops speak out? Because the Islamic world holds so many Christian hostages and does not just hold them, but kills them and rapes them. That hostage situation, where millions of Christians live at the mercy of the cruel Islamic ethos, puts the Church in a difficult position. But it doesn’t have to bend over backwards to submit to its own destruction. Could it at least keep silent if it cannot speak, even gently, the truth?
Barbara Marrs says
Does any one know if there are any attempts to free the hostages?
eduardo odraude says
Not sure you mean your question literally. Anyway, I did not mean literal kidnappers. I meant that Christian minorities in Muslims countries are in effect hostages, because if Catholics or other Christians in the West or elsewhere say anything that happens to excite the unholy wrath of those who imitate Muhammad, guess who gets hit by that wrath first? In easiest reach are the Christian minorities in the Islamic world.
Ewanda says
I am appalled that such a highly placed and visible prelate can still be so ignorant of Islam’s Ideology and ultimate goal over these several years ….. first comes Saturday, then comes Sunday …. meanwhile everyone else is being eliminated systematically. Is Pope Francis crying for any of those millions murdered by Islam or enslaved by them? Does he even know?
Reminds me of the Cone of Silence in Get Smart. Someone has shoved him under it and is keeping him there. It causes me to ask who is really pulling the strings at the Vatican? Remember how the White House was infiltrated and how much it changed the direction of America. This is very worrisome and frustrating. It only seems to get worse at every Jihad Watch posting. A delegation of knowledgeable experts compliments of Jihad Watch should insist on an audience and sooner than later. I can picture many barriers to this proposal, though.
Bacherbazistan says
He should be transferred to a muslim country since he likes them so much.
eduardo odraude says
He should see how many mosques Muslims are willing to turn over to Christians. But he seems to think Christian duty is suicide. Fine, let him do that to himself, but he has no right to submit his flock to that fate, does he?
HugoHackenbush says
“Migrants, priests challenge Salvini: fasting and protests against him,”
Would be a shame if they overfasted….say about 3 months. Of course, in the interest of efficiency, they could fully fast (including water) for 2 weeks. THAT’LL show ’em!
gravenimage says
Italian bishop says he’s ready to “turn all the churches into mosques” to aid the cause of mass Muslim migration
…………………..
What an utter tool.
Besides, if these were needy refugees–and not aggressive invaders–why would they be demanding that churches be turned into mosques in the first place?
Barbara Marrs says
Hague Sophia was once church, then a Mosque , now tourist stop. The Muslims want to return it back to a mosque.
Linda says
When the rubber meets the road, does this never ending capitulation by the Pope to Islam really mean that all religions are but fairy stories told to people to encourage them to behave themselves in one fashion or another? Also, if Christian leaders will not stand up to protect their flocks against Islam, is that not the finest example of sadomasochism ever?
Gene says
Where’s the Spanish Inquisition when you need it?
Barbara Marrs says
What is need is a crusade. Richard the Lion Heart is needed to lead the army.
Dapto says
Wonders if Crucifiction will become a thing once again for priests ?
gravenimage says
What does this mean? Certainly, Muslims have crucified their victims.
The European says
In an interview from 1966, Dietrich von Hildebrand, a German Catholic and philosopher who fought Hitler from the very beginning of his Career and ended up teaching in a Jesuit college in New York, said to G.M.Tracy, the biograhper of Pius XII:
“He was an open enemy of National Socialism as early as Hilter’s 1923 Putsch, and I spoke to him often in Munich about National Socialism. During my private audience in Rome with him, after he became Cardinal, His Eminence told me that National Socialism was opposed to Catholicism as ” fire and water,” and added, “they could never be reconciled.” I am overjoyed that you have undertaken a biography of this great Pope, especially because of the atrocious caricature that Hochhuth created, aided by the very dubious Bishop Hudal ( a German collaborator). Hudal wrote a book in which he tried to prove that National Socialism and Christianity could get along together. This book incurred the disdain of Pius XII and Hudal wanted to avenge himself on Pius by slandering him in a completely false way to Hochhuth. It would be impossible to create a more false depiction of Pius than the one created by Hochhuth.”
Another, more recent German historian- Michael Hesemann- has found out that about 200 000 German Jews got visas thanks to Pius XII and the Vatican, and were thus able to escape from Nazi-Germany.
gravenimage says
Fine post, The European.
somehistory says
moslims want to turn all “churches into ” their evil barracks for warfare, or burn them down.
This guy has just chosen his side in the war. Everyone on earth will have to make that choice sooner or later.
Bow to satan’s wild beast and its image, or reject it for the evil that it is.
PRCS says
“to save the lives of men and women”…and children.
Put out the word that “rescue ships” will only be allowed to enter and deliver economic migrants, refugees, and potential asylum seekers to the “first safe nation’s” ports.
I wasn’t aware of this before, but some human smugglers put just enough fuel in their boats to run out enroute: knowing those “rescue boats” will pick them up.
And start asking where these poor folks get the gobs of money the smugglers demand for their “services”.
Marco says
Does he not read the Bible? Is he ignorant of what Jesus said? My family has always been staunchly Protestant. I understand why now.
tim gallagher says
I find it impossible to understand idiots like this supposed Christian leader. He signed up for the job of being a Christian priest or minister and then he turns around and says that he’d be happy to turn all Christian churches into mosques. So he says destroy the churches as Christian churches and turn them into mosques. Gee, that’s doing his job as a Christian minister. Look, I get it, he thinks he’s being the most wonderful of possible Christians because he’s willing to do anything, to sell out anything (such as the Christian religion) to keep the invading Muslims (er, poor refugees) from dying. He probably feels wonderful about what a truly, unbelievably compassionate Christian he is. But, to my mind, Islam is Satanically evil and barbaric and it is the complete opposite of Christianity. Islam wants to destroy Christianity. So, this Christian minister should wake up and stop supporting evil Islam and its minions, the invading Muslim enemy, who are the enemy of Christianity.. People like this Church leader will be responsible for the deaths of the Christians these Muslims that he supports carry out. As some commenters have said above, this fool is suicidal, which is not seen as a Christian virtue. These Muslim “refugees” should be kept out of Europe and this Christian minister, if he wants to help them, can go to Muslim lands and help them there. That way European Christians will be safe.
Michael T says
These Moslems are not “refugees” they are migrants wanting to escape their Islamic hellholes.
Frank Anderson says
Michael T, are they trying to escape to a better way and life, or to bring their version of Hell on Earth with them?
tim gallagher says
Frank, I agree with your opinion of Islam as being Hell on Earth. It is so barbaric and backward, in all areas of human life, compared to western civilisation. It’s often struck me as weird that Muslims want to get the hell out of their MUslim societies but always seem to then get to work imposing their revolting Muslim way of life on all non-Muslims. As you put it, Michael T, they are wanting to escape their Muslim hellholes, but then they always want to turn the country they migrate to into a Muslim hellhole. Of course, I agree with you, Frank, that, with Muslims, it is always just a MUslim invasion. They are always just trying to spread their hellish way of life. They have to be kept out to avoid the trouble they always bring as they try to turn our societies into barbaric Muslim societies.
Frank Anderson says
T.G. I think it should be obvious that I lived in the 50’s and 60’s. At that time Communism was the global menace. A common description of Communist “negotiating” was, “What’s mine is mine; What’s yours is negotiable.” I cannot see any meaningful difference with islam teaching as one of its fundamental ideas that any promise made to a non-muslim is meaningless. No matter what delusional liars, collaborators and traitors say, islam exists to murder, conquer, enslave and destroy. There is no reason to believe it can be tamed or moderated, because under penalty of death, islam is perfect, final, complete and unchangeable. Estimates are frequently quoted here on JW, which I have no foundation to challenge, that more or less 300 MILLION people have been murdered by islam in its 1400 year rampage. We see more added to that death toll every day. Looking at the race for many countries to obtain nuclear weapons, we could easily see that death toll doubled in a few days of nuclear warfare. I think keeping them out is in the long term ineffective, as was demonstrated by the 9/11 attacks which started from a terrorist haven in Afghanistan. Any rathole will do, as long as you have rats. I am open to suggestions, even including Mortimer’s mysterious proposal of “absolute deprogramming”. As long as we win, they lose, and should.
gravenimage says
Yes, Frank–many Muslims are not fleeing Islam, but intend to turn our civilized lands into Islamic hell holes.
tim gallagher says
I agree with every word you say, Frank. Especially with your last sentence, that we have to win this war with Islam. Otherwise, life with turn into a hellish, barbaric (such as we see being lived by non-Muslims in all Muslim countries) existence. I also agree with your opinion that no deal or negotiation that we make with the Muslim enemy is worth anything. I’m sure it’s true that lying Muslims would see any deal they make with naïve non-Muslims as “meaningless”. If only Muslims would stay in their Muslim lands. They should hate being around non-Muslims so they should stay in their Muslim paradises. But, of course, they are seeking to conquer the whole world with their backward way of life. The prospect of all that progress that some of the human race has made being destroyed with Islam dragging us all back to the 7th century. It’s sickening. Of course, I agree with you, gravenimage, I can only see the Muslim way of life as a vision of hell in every area of human life. Islam is “perfect”. Yeah, perfect hell and perfectly evil.
bc3b says
I have been a Catholic all my life and my religion has never meant less to me than since Francis became pope Catholicism is becoming less like a religion and more like a political party.
Barbara Marrs says
To stop this stupidity the people will have stop all donations to the church. Those adhere to Catholic doctrine will have their donations; only if the money stays at the parish. Should just one dollar go anywhere else – then all donations stop.
The K of C can start by NOT making their yearly charity donation to the pope. He will not use the money the way it was intended.
Max says
Monsignor Raffaele Nogaro, bishop emeritus of Caserta, says he is ready to “turn all the churches into mosques
Is this idiot expecting Catholics to go to mosques? His IQ must be below 50.
R Russell says
The End Time Apostate Church continues to flourish
R Russell says
The End Times Apostate Church continues to flourish
FYI says
Yes.As predicted in Fatima 1917..
And La Salette 1846 “Rome will lose the faith and.. become the seat of the antichrist”
Remember that these are official and approved catholic prophecies.
I believe the man in Rome{ who is preaching heresy and apostasy,is creating a church in his own image} to be the False Prophet of Revs 13,preparing the way for the coming to power of the one in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 4:the False Christ(or antichrist)
What these Italian bishops are doing is NOT in the service of Christ but the antichrist.
keep a close eye on the Vatican!see who francis welcomes to Rome!
Tony Holland says
Correct,there is a self perpetuating ‘madness’ pervading western elitists whom people like to call the ‘new world order’,and who feel the need to expunge our wonderful history and culture and encourage its replacement by the brutal unGodly medieval sharia cultists whose ambition is the total destruction of all things non islamic but there is a SIMPLE answer,replace these mad dog lefties with politicians of the people by the people as IS being done throughout Europe.We all know the countries that have veered to the ‘right’,(stupid analysis) and have or are adopting a ‘patriotic’ stance regarding their history and culture of their lands,it is a trend that will gather momentum,the more the EU and leftists try to impose on us ‘their’ vision of OUR future,the greater the resitance and dissent by the populace,we will of course prevail.
brane pilot says
Today’s European migrants are the grandparents of the executioners of Europe’s grandchildren.
Such grandchildren as there will be.
Europe chose this. It was not forced upon them.
On their way to be shot in front of ditches, many future Europeans will spit on their ancestor’s graves.
Chand says
Now if one is REALLY a follower of Jesus the Christ how should one behave? Isn’t fearlessly abandoning the material world and embracing love, compassion, sacrifice, service to the poor and downtrodden the way? Isn’t the reward in good works?
So a follower of Jesus is actually unafraid of the consequences of one’s choices and actions. This Christian priest could be one such human being. He might be following Jesus in deed, looking upon all humans as God’s children and God as the One God of all. He might not fear the consequences.
Being a Christian takes a lot of courage or one can just pretend to be one.
Indiana Tom says
Well, why doesn’t he practice his faith in ISIS lands if he has such Christian Courage, versus being lodged in a comfortable Bishop’s cloistered parsonage.
gravenimage says
What Muslim apologist Chand is doing here is demanding that if Christians are to be good Christians, that they must roll over for the savagery of Islam, or even embrace it–sacrificing themselves and everyone else to evil.
He’s done this before.
What a load of tripe. Nice try, creep.
Indiana Tom says
Monsignor Raffaele Nogaro, bishop emeritus of Caserta, says he is ready to “turn all the churches into mosques if it were useful to the cause
This is the real problem. The Muslims are ancillary.
MFritz says
Too bad he won’t be around (anymore) when the muslims take him and his church by the word! And may (our) god have mercy upon our souls – and those of our children – if this actually happens! Just watch what is going on in Egypt or Nigeria to get a “glimpse” of how ANY christian minority will fare “under” islam.
Kasey says
What ever he’s recently heard or read or seen, it’s given him a real dose of Islamic insanity!
FYI says
In these treacherous times when Christians {and Catholics in particular}are being betrayed..
Stick with the Gospel message;you do not need to be part of a church.
To people who convert from islam,especially if they have strong faith:it is not necessary to join a church!
The church Christ established was (is) a SPIRITUAL kingdom:it was never about bricks and mortar and “holy” men preaching false teachings from the altar.That’s what the vatican turned it into.
The Gospel message:live that and live as good a life as you can in accordance with God’s official 10+2
Commandments.that’s what counts.The Gospel is your compass:it shows God’s Morality{which the koran disputes!}and also explains in prophetic terms what you need to know and do in these times{Matthew chapters 24 and 25}
Forget about this idea that you have to be part of an actual church…
That Rome would abandon the faith has been known for many years in many prophecies{la Salette..,st Francis of Assisi..Fatima 1917..}The catholic remnant know that but the majority of catholics choose to ignore it:they are the ones referred to as the “foolish bridesmaids”….in matthew chpt 25
No Muzzies Here says
So the bishop would gladly replace Italy’s churches with mosques. That is another way of saying that he would willingly replace all of Italy’s Catholics with Muslims. That is another way of saying that he would eliminate Christianity.
With the Pope’s assent, no doubt.
JawsV says
This bishop is a lunatic and should be committed.
introvert says
Nowadays, the Church is divided for Islam and not. Leon Zagami describes it
in you tube videos. He says he has insider information from the Vatican.
mortimer says
Charity begins at home. LOOK AFTER THE SECURITY AND WELL-BEING OF ITALIANS FIRST.
Send foreign aid to help those countries ESCAPE ISLAM.
Do not import Islam to Europe.
1)Mohammed is a false prophet.
2) Islam is a dangerous ideology.
le mouron rouge says
“Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”
1 Timothy 5:8
eduardo odraude says
Yes.
Seems to me these priests are probably misunderstanding Christ’s admonition to turn the other cheek. It means to have an endlessly forgiving and loving heart. Surely that does not mean inviting totalitarian hordes to roll into one’s town and enslave, rape, and oppress one’s flock. Christ surely did not say that between aggressor and victim, one should focus one’s compassion on the aggressor! But that’s what these foolish priests and this foolish pope are doing. I hope more Catholic bishops and officials will start listening to Catholic heroes like Robert Spencer and William Kilpatrick.
eduardo odraude says
And maybe these Catholic Islamophiles should brush up on Augustine’s and the Church’s just war doctrines.
Another mistake these Catholic Islamophiles make: they sometimes seem to think that evil is only really within, and that it is always projection of our own inner demons when we think we see evil outside. Well, projection and xenophobia do happen, of course, but just because someone is xenophobic doesn’t necessarily mean no one is out to get him.
Winston says
Ratzinger aka Pope Benedict. This raises the question of his ‘retirement’. We recall his controversial criticism of Mohd..
In view of current trends one must ask: Did the good Pope Benedict fall or was he pushed? Or was it simply an ill health issue as reported at the time of his sensational resignation? I remember a bolt lightning striking the dome on that fateful day, as a news reporter was standing in St Peters square. Dramatic video. God must be angry I remember thinking. Maybe the video is still out there.
AgentRose says
The Church has long been in the hands of the left. The left is for jihad.
God help us.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Prophet Muhammad did the same gesture to his Catholic Christian guests from Najran (in Yemen) where he allowed them to pray in his mosque .According to muslim scholars, it is permissible for Muslims tò pray in christian churches and jewish synagogues,provided the sects do not mix their religions with Idol worships like some Churches in Nigeria
eduardo odraude says
Many Islamic scholars consider Christians and Jews to be idol worshipers. The Qur’an claims, for example, that Jews worship “Ezra” as the son of God. Making partners with “Allah” — shirk — is the gravest sin in Islam. Not only are the Jews supposedly guilty of the sin of making Ezra a partner with God. The Christians are guilty of that gravest sin, in Muslim eyes, because Christians worship Jesus and, according to the Qur’an, also Mary, whom the Qur’an treats as one of the three persons of the Trinity.
Those are two gigantic, boneheaded errors in the Qur’an. The Jews do not worship Ezra. And Christians do not consider Mary one of the three persons of the Trinity.
And Muhammad was a false prophet, as anyone with an open mind really willing to look honestly can see.
eduardo odraude says
Ten More Reasons Muhammad is not a Prophet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=vEa3qdPcALE
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Prophet Muhammad did the same gesture to his Catholic Christian guests from Najran (in Yemen) where he allowed them to pray in his mosque .
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Muslims always cite this delegation and treaty–which may or may not have existed–as proof that Muslims treat Christians with respect. But they ignore it being *the very next year* that Muhammed vowed to wipe out all non-Muslim worship on the Arabian peninsula–making any such treaty with these trusting Christians moot.
More:
According to muslim scholars, it is permissible for Muslims tò pray in christian churches and jewish synagogues,provided the sects do not mix their religions with Idol worships like some Churches in Nigeria
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*Of course* Muslims can worship in Christian Churches and Jewish Synagogues–in fact, any place Muslims worship is henceforth considered to be a Mosque by Muslims, and hence fair game to be seized from the Infidels.
Why should we consider this a good thing?
Opinionated says
Jesus said that you must turn the other cheek so why are they protesting?
All these priests and nuns must do is embrace Islam and convert the churches to masjids what’s wrong with that? Don’t harden your hearts ? it’s the best way. ?????
Susan B says
Opinionated, why would Christians want to worship Satan, or allah as muslims call your female hating pagan moon god? You seem to have a problem with logic.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Susan B ,it means you don’t know that entity you call Holy Spirit who inspired mithraist christianity and idol worships is exactly the satan the cursed one. Allah is the creator of all, including your satan god in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods. you and your satan god will be casted into honest lake of hellfire burning forever
Susan B says
Ibraham you are too lost to save so I could care less if you choose to support your evil cult of rapist and murderers and turn your back on God. You have been given all the information needed to save your soul and still you choose evil. I am sure mohammad aka allah will be happy to greet you in the afterlife below.
gravenimage says
And here’s one of the other vicious Muslim apologists, Ibrahim itace muhammed:
Susan B ,it means you don’t know that entity you call Holy Spirit who inspired mithraist christianity and idol worships is exactly the satan the cursed one. Allah is the creator of all, including your satan god in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods. you and your satan god will be casted into honest lake of hellfire burning forever
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Ibrahim itace muhammed has said this sort of thing before–that opposing the bloody savagery of Islam is ‘the satan”. That is how he characterizes opposition to raping children and committing genocide. *Ugh*.
Andy says
To: IIbrahim itace muhammed
Please check out below link
https://www.exmna.org/
gravenimage says
Foul Muslim supremacist “Opinionated” wrote:
Jesus said that you must turn the other cheek so why are they protesting?
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Muslims love to pretend that if one is to be a Christian that they must not say anything critical of even the most hideous aspects of Islam, like raping children and mass slaughtering unbelievers.
Of course, this is absolute claptrap–Christians have the right to expose the evil of Islam.
More:
All these priests and nuns must do is embrace Islam and convert the churches to masjids what’s wrong with that? Don’t harden your hearts ? it’s the best way. ?
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In other words, roll over for Muslim conquest, filthy Infidels.
Also, how perverse is it for Muslims to characterize opposing the bloody brutality of Islam as being “hard hearted”?
Stelter Tapper Zucker says
How many Muslim immigrants will Monsignor Raffaele Nogaro be hosting in his own home? Perhaps he could share footage of this benevolence with the world on a livestream. I suspect it will turn out much the same way as in Max Frisch’s play The Firebugs.
The European says
Yes, a good commment. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, and in the end you give the matches to the Intruders who are going to set your house on fire. Biedermann und die Brandstifter by Max Frisch is indeed quite fitting here.
Michael G says
This apostate minion of Satan talks about “saving lives”, while he advocates for damning their souls via Islam. God will NOT be merciful to this evil man who perverts the truth of the Catholic faith.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Jay Boo, you are just an ignorant liar. prophet never sought refuge from evil Jews in Medina because Medina did not belong to them, they were strangers there. Again, it was some muslims that Prophet Muhammad sent to Ethiopia to seek refuge from christian king Nagus and the king converted to Islam voluntarily, his tomb is being visited by Muslimsp today because when he died Prophet Muhammad led funeral prayer for him from far away Medina.muslims never invaded Ethiopia, check history. A fool!!
WESTPAC Spy says
You forgot to add, Ibrahim, that the story of Nagus is the prime example of the justification for one of the lesser well known Islamic types of lying. Tauriya.
Take a bow, Ibrahim. I’m sure you are so proud.
eduardo odraude says
Top Ten Quran Verses for Understanding ISIS (the Islamic State)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBgqa-xQwY
gravenimage says
The witless Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Jay Boo, you are just an ignorant liar. prophet never sought refuge from evil Jews in Medina because Medina did not belong to them, they were strangers there.
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Of course they did–that is what the Hijira is all about–that Muslims would be given sanctuary in Medina. Of course, they soon turned on those who gave them sanctuary, enslaving and mass murdering them.
It is just the same with Muslims in the West today. They always turn on their benefactors.
More:
Again, it was some muslims that Prophet Muhammad sent to Ethiopia to seek refuge from christian king Nagus and the king converted to Islam voluntarily, his tomb is being visited by Muslimsp today because when he died Prophet Muhammad led funeral prayer for him from far away Medina.
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Muslims sought sanctuary with Ethiopian Christians before the Hijira.
And no–there is *no* indication that Negus Armah ever converted to Islam. In fact, he had crosses on his coinage.
More:
muslims never invaded Ethiopia, check history. A fool!!
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What absolute claptrap. In the 16th century, Muslims from the Adal Sultanate embarked on a Conquest of Abyssinia under the command of Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi. That they were not entirely successful does not mean they never tried.
Janice Dougherty says
When the RC and other Christian clergy see the masses of praying muslims blocking street traffic, acting in unity and submission, being led in their entire lives by their political religious cult doctrine, they are so JEALOUS of the volume of power that they always coveted for themselves, that’s why they convert, give up their houses of worship, deny all the hatred and destruction in the name of islam. After milking the governments’ programs for phony integration into western society, they are owned by their desperation. Plain as the nose on your face.
Charlie Martel says
The Vatican has ‘form’- They genocided the Cathars. They aided and abetted escaping Nazis after WW2. They raped thousands of young children. They burned millions accused of witchcraft. Don’t expect to find any ethics in this quarter.
WESTPAC Spy says
Yeah, do you have any verifiable original sources for your nuthouse theories?
gravenimage says
+1
Keys says
They burned millions accused of witchcraft ?
You mean like the Nazis did in the crematoria ?
Incredible !
eduardo odraude says
Charles Martel,
Your comment is too one-sided. The Catholic Church during its 2000 years has not done only bad things. In fact it has done more good than bad. I don’t think you have to be Catholic to believe that. You just have to be a bit of an objective historian.
Chris Malan says
It is true, the Catholics have done many bad things. They are also the official church of the biggest organised crime organisation on Earth – the Mafia. Read Vicars of Christ. At one stage they had a department turning out fraudulent documents for use by the Church. The book was actually written by a Catholic.
But with millions of Catholics, there will be at least a few good ones.
gravenimage says
No, the Catholic Church did not create the Mafia. What claptrap.
UNCLE VLADDI says
“Tolerance becomes a crime, when applied to evil.”
– Thomas Mann –
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“We’ll Submit to any crime if it spares our lives!”
– The contemporary Catholic Hierarchy –
Donald Canaday says
Jesus say to peter the apostle.the cornerstone that builders have rejected and will be cornerstone of my church and gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Kepha says
The cornerstone the builders rejected (Ps. 118:22) is Jesus Christ himself. Peter, whom they say was the first Pope, says as much (I Pt. 2:6-8).
Chris Malan says
These hypocrites will sing another song when they get replaced with Muslim officials – the Pope with the Khalif. As long as their positions are secure they will talk any politically-correct nonsense.
MCW says
If this priest were a chicken he’d be praising Colonel Sanders as his master.
Joe Camelteau says
People are dropping out of the church in droves. Churches can’t afford the salary or building upkeep. If the church becomes a mosque, at least they can afford to continue as an organization. Mosques get 10% automatically.
Susan B says
So you think making churches mosques is a good thing? You do know that they would be used to fight and plan the destruction of western civilization. Or are you a mohammedan and that is exactly what you want. Sorry will not happen and for the record, Christians do no need a building to follow Christ. That is the beauty of Christianity.
Susan B says
I have a better idea destroy all mosques and ban islam.
gravenimage says
I see that the vile Muslim apologist “Joe Camelteau” is back, preaching more Islamic supremacism. *Ugh*.
Louisia says
REMEMBER THAT THE POPE HAS READ THE THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA AND LOTS OF OTHER ‘SECRETS’. if he knows or at least believes certain things will happen, he might be confident enough to believe that islam is not a threat.
Susan B says
So all the Christians being murdered and raped in islamic countries is okay with the Pope because islam is not a threat. The millions of young girls raped and sexually enslaved by muslim rape gangs in the west is okay with the Pope because islam is not a threat. All the people that are murdered by jihadist is okay with the Pope because islam is not a threat. All the attack on Jews and Christians in western countries is okay with the Pope because islam is not a threat. Good to know.
Joe Camelteau says
The Greek Orthodox church is the only church with the true interpretation and practice. That’s why St. Paul spent so much time in Greece. Protestants are even more off base than the Latin church. They are all heretics and should be put to death. The Russian Orthodox church has recently strayed from the path of truthfulness by supporting the evil dictator Putin.
Michael says
I have had my confirmation. So theres that. When people want to elevate themselfes over the current teaching of Catholic church. Then I think they often want to stay Catholic christian but yet not to help muslims. We got our faith with many parts that are actually hard to live by 100%. I think that the gathering of muslims by the pope in europe is maybe in the way of John the Baptist. I hope it is so because that is the logical path I as a playing-man (from Swedish) who is catholic can understand. However in one case pope Francis did not teach the exact teachings of John the Baptist which means God wants something different in these times. Times with Internet and all pornography. I have a feeling this sexual revolution may have something to do with Islam coming to the west.
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
If the bishop really does want to surrender Christian religious property to Muslim use, he’s in the wrong Church.
Tess Van Ommen says
How many of that list of clergy – and the nun – have filled their comfortable rooms with migrants, given up their beds to them, given them their meals, worked at converting them to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and so save their souls for eternity? They might not then wreck and commit sacrilege in the House of God…. or have they so neglected their own flock that they have driven them from the churches? And do those clerics realise the churches are not their property but that of the people who built and paid for them? They have truly lost their direction.