It isn’t just Omar. It is taken for granted by mainstream counterterror analysts across the political spectrum that Islam is a religion of peace, and that the Islamic State and al-Qaeda aren’t Islamic, and that jihad terrorism is just a reaction to American or Israeli foreign policy. The ignoramus Max Abrahms of Northeastern University is an example of this kind of thinking. So are the “hearts and minds” initiative on which we have spent billions, if not trillions, in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere. The idea is that jihad terror is a reaction to our evils, so if we’re good and build schools and roads and hospitals for the people, they will love us. Maybe some will, but by and large the ideological hold of the common idea among Islamic hardliners that the infidels are only nice to Muslims in order to turn them away from Islam will not be shaken. “And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion.” (Qur’an 2:120)
This explanation founders on the fact that jihad terrorism occurs in areas of the world where we are not involved in “other people’s affairs,” such as Nigeria, Thailand, and the Philippines, but no one seems to notice.
“Ilhan Omar once blamed ‘our involvement in other people’s affairs’ after al-Shabab attack on Kenyan mall,” by Lukas Mikelionis, Fox News, February 4, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer weighs in on Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s decision to place Minnesota Democrat Rep. Ilhan Omar on the House Foreign Affairs committee.
Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar once described acts of terrorism as a reaction to “our involvement in other people’s affairs,” in the wake of the brutal al-Shabab attack on a Kenyan shopping mall in 2013.
Omar made the comments during an obscure local television appearance just weeks after four armed al-Shabab jihadists stormed the Westgate mall in Nairobi in 2013, killing nearly 70 people and wounding 200.
“When are we gonna decide or realize that terrorism is a reaction? It’s an ideology, it’s a means of things, it’s not an entity, it’s not a place, people. It’s a reaction to a situation,” host Ahmed Tharwat asked then-activist Omar, on the show “Belahdan” on Twin Cities PBS during a discussion about the experience of the Somali community in the U.S. following the attack in Kenya.
“Yes,” she agreed. “What you’re insinuating is what nobody wants to face. Nobody wants to face how the actions of the other people that are involved in the world have contributed to the rise of the radicalization and the rise of terrorist acts.”
She continued: “Usually most people want to not look internal and see what their actions that makes another react. For us, it’s always ‘I must have not done anything. Why is it happening to me?’ Nobody wants to take accountability of how these are byproducts of the actions of our involvement in other people’s affairs.”
Tharwat, who has given a platform before to radical activists — including a political cartoonist who won second place in the 2006 Iranian International Holocaust Cartoon Competition, an anti-Semitic contest featuring Holocaust denial — went on to compare the violence perpetrated by terror groups around the world to the actions of western governments.
“Most of the people who commit these kind of heinous violence are done by people unelected that are just fringe of the societies … but the violence done [by] the West is done by the people that are elected,” he said, prompting Omar to agree that violence committed by the West is “legitimized.”
Omar is now a freshman member of the House, holding a seat on the influential Foreign Affairs Committee overseeing legislation and investigations related to American foreign policy.
She recently came under fire for a 2016 letter asking a judge to show leniency toward a group of Minnesota men accused of trying to join the Islamic State terror group. In the letter, she urged compassion and blamed the men’s “desire to commit violence” on “systematic alienation.”…
Mac-101 says
This battle is DEAD serious. Once these degenerate Donkey and RINO Scumbags gain total Power THEY will murder millions of Americans. They always do! It’s goin to hit the van by 2022!
christianblood says
Mac-101
You are exactly right! Obviously islamic jihadists massacring non-muslims in Kenya or anywhere in the world is okay with her! The question is, who elected her to be in the US congress?
gravenimage says
But christianblood has said many times that he looks forward to Muslims conquering the West.
Mac-101 says
I would hope that Christian Blood would be smart enough to know when the West goes down Russia and Eastern Europe will not have a chance either. Especially Russia with their large Muslim population.
christianblood says
Mac-101
This is spiritual war and Russia is spiritually alive whereas the West is spiritually DEAD! Big difference!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFLv4zAeXaE
gravenimage says
True, Mac–but christianblood has said that he does not care if Russia is threatened by Jihad.
gravenimage says
christianblood has claimed before that Russia–despite being just 50% Christian–is so spiritual that they have no problem with Jihad terrorism. This is a *very* odd claim.
But then, he often allies with Jihadists against the free West. So long as the West is destroyed, he does not appear to care what happens to anyone else–including Christians.
christianblood says
Mac-101
(…Absence of Christianity in the West root problem in the West that emboldened islamists…) Iben Thranholm, Danish investigative journalist. More on the video clip below:
http://katehon.com/video/main-problem-west-spiritual
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(…christianblood has claimed before that Russia–despite being just 50% Christian–is so spiritual that they have no problem with Jihad terrorism.,,)
Graven, for God’s sake, you are a secular, liberal person and you understand neither Christianity nor spiritual warfare nor Russian issue so please stop commenting things you know nothing about!
Graven, As a Western secular person the story below will resonate with you deeply and you would understand it and can explain well as your social filed of expertise but NOT about spirituality, Christianity and how they relate to jihad etc. (2 Corinth 2:14).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbiAHnjHlHg
christianblood says
Graven
As a secular liberal YOU CANNOT understand how weak, bankrupt and dying Christianity in the West can fuel islamic jihadism and Islamic shareea supremacism in the West. Heck, even Western political and religious leaders cannot understand this!
(…The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit…)
(1 Corinth 2:14).
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage posted
(…christianblood has claimed before that Russia–despite being just 50% Christian–is so spiritual that they have no problem with Jihad terrorism.,,)
Graven, for God’s sake, you are a secular, liberal person and you understand neither Christianity nor spiritual warfare nor Russian issue so please stop commenting things you know nothing about!
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christianblood has said before that I am “secular” because I am not Russian Orthodox. He does not consider anyone of any other Christian denomination to be a real Christian.
And I am “Iiberal” because I do not think that gay people should be hanged or thrown off rooftops, nor do I agree that women should not be allowed to report wife beating to the police or the courts.
And the idea that only someone who is Orthodox should be allowed to cite how many people identify as Christian in Russia is just grotesque.
As of the 2010 Census, 47.1% of the total population identified as Christians. This is much lower than the 83% of Americans who are Christian, and lower, even, than rates in Western Europe.
More:
Graven, As a Western secular person the story below will resonate with you deeply and you would understand it and can explain well as your social filed of expertise but NOT about spirituality, Christianity and how they relate to jihad etc. (2 Corinth 2:14).
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christianblood has now posted this ridiculous video scores of times.
He has to keep posting the same absurd video because, despite what he pretends, there is no epidemic of cross-dressing “adult children” in the West.
I have noted dozens of times that I consider this person preposterous. I just don’t think that he or his family should be killed–ridiculed and mocked, yes, but not murdered.
But no–I don’t consider murdering idiotic people to be “spiritual”. But christianblood has never condemned the slaughter of gay people, even when directly asked to. He even lauds this taking place on Russian soil, in Chechnya.
More:
Graven
As a secular liberal YOU CANNOT understand how weak, bankrupt and dying Christianity in the West can fuel islamic jihadism and Islamic shareea supremacism in the West. Heck, even Western political and religious leaders cannot understand this!
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Unlike christianblood, I think that Jihad terror and Shari’ah *anywhere* are bad things. He, however, has lauded Jihad when practiced by Jihadists like Hezb’allah, and the horrors of Shari’ah in Iran and Chechnya.
More:
(…The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit…)
(1 Corinth 2:14).
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The main examples of the “spiritual” chirstianblood has evinced are demanding that God allow Muslims to destroy the West, and screaming “God bless Hezb’allah!”.
As for christianblood’s reply to Mac, Iben Thranholm makes some good points.
But there is some *very* disturbing stuff at that site–katehon–which christianblood links to regularly.
One of their major contributors is Sheikh Imran Nazar Hosein, who constantly writes about how Russians should ally with Muslims to destroy the West.
Then he lies to them, telling them that Muslims respect Russian Orthodox as ‘real’ monastic Christians–never telling them that they would be next for oppression and murder if Muslims ever are able to conquer the West.
But christianblood swallows this tripe. Very disturbing.
gravenimage says
Here are some examples from that site:
“ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS MUST BECOME ALLIES”
http://katehon.com/article/orthodox-christians-and-muslims-must-become-allies
and
“THE SOCIO-POLITICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COVENANTS OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD”
http://katehon.com/article/socio-political-significance-covenants-prophet-muhammad
“As the author makes clear: “the continued conflict between Christians and Muslims across the world has been artificially ignited by the forces of imperialism.” If the conflict between the two religions, as Morrow points out, reached its peak during the so-called “Crusades,” there remained, under the ashes of this devastating blaze, the spirit of a mutually beneficial relationship which dates to the very onset of the Prophet Muhammad’s mission…”
Just appalling whitewash of Islam and denial of the threat of Jihad.
Much more disturbing stuff there.
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..christianblood has said before that I am “secular” because I am not Russian Orthodox. He does not consider anyone of any other Christian denomination to be a real Christian…)
Graven, Western Christianity (Both R. Catholics & Protestants) are mostly materialized and secularized Christianities but my point even goes beyond that. For instance, in Matthew 13:11 Jesus says:
“..Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them..”
Do you know what that means? Could you go to your closest Western pastor/priest and see what they say about that statement?
One other thing is that No Christian or Jew suffered under Islam than Orthodox Christians and this happened over the past 500 years that Ottomans were colonizing much of the Orthodox East. Fifty million Orthodox Christians were either murdered, deported or forcibly converted to Islam during those many years. More of that below:
http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage posted
(..christianblood has said before that I am “secular” because I am not Russian Orthodox. He does not consider anyone of any other Christian denomination to be a real Christian…)
Graven, Western Christianity (Both R. Catholics & Protestants) are mostly materialized and secularized Christianities but my point even goes beyond that. For instance, in Matthew 13:11 Jesus says:
“..Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them..”
Do you know what that means? Could you go to your closest Western pastor/priest and see what they say about that statement?
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The idea that no Catholic or Protestant is capable of understanding the Parable of the Sower is absurd.
The seed is the Word, the Sower the preacher of the Word, and the soil–the hearer of the Word–is described as variously rocky, or not cleared of thorns and weeds, or rich, well prepared soil. The rocky soil describes land were seeds–the Word–cannot become firmly rooted, and so Faith is shallow and does not withstand external trial; the thorny soil describes land where the seeds–the Word–is mixed among worthless things, worldly distractions from the Word; and rich soil gives fertile ground for the seeds–the Word–and yields a great spiritual harvest.
Though the Sower may seem wasteful, “casting pearls before swine”–he may be acknowledging that when you preach the word of God, you many not know at the time whether your words are falling on fertile soil or not, so scattering the message widely is the best approach.
As for Matthew 13:11, the following Verse, Matthew 13:12 reads, “Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.” means that those who listen honestly and accept the Word flourish, and can build on that flourishing; and that those who do not are apt to lose even more than they already have.
The idea that no Catholic or Protestant is capable of grasping this is much mistaken:
“The Sower. The Seed. The Field. Understanding the Christian Mission”
https://www.catholic.org/homily/yearoffaith/story.php?id=51837
“The Parable of the Sower”
https://www.episcopalchurch.org/library/sermon/parable-sower-proper-10-1999
There are, of course, many more examples.
More:
One other thing is that No Christian or Jew suffered under Islam than Orthodox Christians and this happened over the past 500 years that Ottomans were colonizing much of the Orthodox East. Fifty million Orthodox Christians were either murdered, deported or forcibly converted to Islam during those many years. More of that below:
http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm
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Well, this is interesting, for a number of reasons.
Firstly, this article comes from an Orthodox Christian in the US, who also cites several other Orthodox Churches here. Yet. christianblood has several times scoffed at the idea that there are Orthodox Christians in the US and the rest of the West. Now, an article that he links to acknowledges that this is so.
Then, besides the horrifying Armenian Genocide, the Reverend Archimandrite Nektarios Serfes also cites the suffering of Orthodox Christians in Ukraine during the Holodomor–despite christianblood having denied several times that Christians suffered under the Soviets–even though this has being widely documented.
The Reverend Serfes is certainly correct about the terrible suffering of Christians–especially but not limited to Orthodox Christians–during the Armenian Genocide.
I have written about that here many times myself, as christianblood well knows–so the idea that he has to educate me about this terrible history is odd.
The only issue where I disagree with Serfes is his essentially blaming the West for not invading Turkey–rather than blaming the Muslims who actually carried out the genocide themselves.
It was–as I have noted several times–an American charity worker who arranged for the rescue of most of those Christians who survived the terrible destruction of Smyrna.
But let’s parse the above, shall we, since it does not directly address anything I covered above.
Presumably christianblood means that everyone in the West is “fallow soil” of one sort or another, as the half of the largely secular (or Muslim) Russians somehow are not.
Even if this were true–questionable at best–note the Jesus did *not* go on to say that people who did not accept–or who did not fully accept–the Word should therefore be conquered and destroyed so that an evil creed could spread around much of the world.
But that is *exactly* what christianblood wants to see, in his desire to see the West destroyed by Islam.
And he is certainly correct that Orthodox Christians have suffered terribly at the hands of Muslims–but what lesson does he draw from this?
That Orthodox Christians should now ally with Jihadists to destroy those who he deems “insufficiently Christian”?
That a West conquered by Islam would–somehow, he has never said how this would work–prove to be no threat to Russian and other Orthodox Christians around the world?
That the most powerful nations in the world falling into the hands of Islam would not threaten Russia and whatever else remained of Dar-al-Harb after such conquests is obviously absurd. But, as I have said before, christianblood does not appear to care.
Ugly, ugly stuff, in any case.
Jay says
This Omar woman is not fit to be in our government! Nor is Tlaib of Michigan. They both broke the law running for office and no one seems to care! I hope the recall petition in Michigan is the end for Tlaib.
Nancy Pelosi encourages all this progressive anti-American rhetoric— she is and has been a traitor to American values for years. And lives in a house surrounded by a huge wall and yet does not want
to secure American borders and protect our sovereignty! Pelosi is the traitor poster child for term limits
as is Schumer! These women, Omar, Tlaib, and Pelosi are all traitors and should be removed from office.
The damage they are doing may be hard to undo! The Republicans better get their act together soon!!
God bless and save America from the traitors within.
Trump 2020 ??????????
Jayme says
I will give our PM abit of credit last summer one of his mp’s said much the same as Omar and she was moved to the back and had her power more or less taken away from her.
christianblood says
Jay
+1
Jay says
And if Omar brings an illegal to the SOTU, they should both be arrested by ICE and deported immediately!
How disrespectful can Omar be and remain in office with her questionable background.??
It’s the definition of insanity.
Or Else! says
This argument also crashes and burns when one studies the rise and rapid spread of Muhammad’s Medinan Islam. No provocation for the raids, looting, mass murders, political assassinations, jihad.
More like: “Allah’s followers are supreme! He has given us carte blanche to do whatever we want to take whatever you have–and to deem you either subservient, slave-worthy, or expendable. Live or die, a jihadi’s barbaric depravity will be rewarded in this life and the next! Win-win!”
It was the same message Jefferson and Adams heard from the Tripolitan ambassador just before the Barbary Wars. No provocation needed. i.e. You are our enemy because you do not believe as we do, therefore we can murder, raid, imprison, enslave, hold for ransom, etc. No holds barred. So it is written in our Qur’an.
gravenimage says
+1
Anjuli Pandavar says
Robert,
“This explanation founders on the fact that jihad terrorism occurs in areas of the world where we are not involved in “other people’s affairs,” such as Nigeria, Thailand, and the Philippines, but no one seems to notice.”
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If you’re going to deny US involvement in other people’s affairs just because the United States is not in those places, you’ll probably deny US involvement in other people’s affairs that led to jihad prior to 1776 on the ludicrous grounds that the US didn’t yet exist. This is trying to sneak in facts by the back door. You JW people are so transparent.
gravenimage says
🙂
somehistory says
The old joke about the Lone Ranger and Tonto come to mind. Surrounded by Indians, on the South, on the North, East and West, the Lone Ranger looks at Tonto and says, “It looks like the end of us,’ whereupon Tonto remarks, “What do you mean US, White man?”
This is a part of what the creature omar said, “the actions of our involvement in other people’s affairs.” and “For us, it’s always ‘I must have not done anything. Why is it happening to me?’ Nobody wants to take accountability”
moslims get “involved in other people’s affairs” every day of every week, month and year. moslims’ intent is to make everyone live they way they choose for them. The “involvement” is to the point that no one is safe from terrorism…and yet,…none of them, including this moslim creature who has lied to Congress, is a full-on demonstration…of moslims not taking “accountability for their actions,” but instead, blame the victims.
She should be called on it. Of course, no one will who has authority to do anything about her. But, she will reap what she has sown and continues to sow. Lies never really profit and islam is going down soon.
CTTV15@Hotmail.com says
….Well, WELCOME TO OUR NIGHTMARE AMERICA..
This unmitigated race/’religion” bating political trash raises money for anti-Semitic organizations, and preaches anti-Judeo-Christian hatred all the time….while smiling for the cameras like some sort of rock-star Cheshire cat..
When she was a MN state legislator, she actually supported “life insurance death benefits for terrorists”…while she chastised a St Paul MN “sentencing Judge”, Davis (a black American), relating to CONVICTED ISIS terrorists from Minnesota, found GUILTY of providing aid and support for ISIS terrorists.
She also has committed in Minnesota – perjury – bigamy – polygamy – immigration fraud – welfare fraud – illegal use of campaign finance fund to pay for her 12/2017 divorce from HER BROTHER, when she had already married another fella 2.5 years ago as well..
You should see her 2013 arrest mug shot for “criminal trespass”..
Perhaps if the so-called Palestinians, would stop lobbing rockets – sending burning kites – digging tunnels for attackers, stabbers, and bomb setting maniacs, attacking Israel, there might just be a chance for peace in that region.. Like Omar, and her pal, Linda Sarsour, and Rashida Tlaib, these people are determined to wipe Israel off the map and out of existence entirely..
THIS IS all about the endless and long standing Islamic hatred of all things reflective of the Judeo-Christian existence on earth – and EVERYTHING that entails.. Let’s face the TRUTH here..
There is more..
Omar? …WELCOME TO OUR MINNESOTA NIGHTMARE AMERICA..
…And, this is just a piece of it.. There is much more..
..And she has only been there in DC for slightly more than a month..
Older Canadian says
Obviously screening of political candidates are not a top priority. Something or someone is or has profited from this in someway or another. Dig deep, could be quite interesting.
CTTV15@Hotmail.com says
WELCOME TO OUR MINNESOTA NIGHTMARE..
Older Canadian says
Of course! Could not be any other reason, like perhaps religion, ideology, or political stripes.
gravenimage says
Muslim Rep. Ilhan Omar blamed “our involvement in other people’s affairs” for bloody jihad massacre in Kenya in 2013
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That was Operation Restore Hope. The United States was involved in a UN peacekeeping action in the mid-1990s, hoping to make things safe enough in Somalia for humanitarian groups to aid the country, to help Somalians suffering from the Jihad-induced famine there.
The UN had troops from 40 nations–including 14 Muslim countries. The United States was hardly the only nation involved in the ultimately failed effort.
After the “Black Hawk Down” attack, Jihadists there succeeded in driving US troops out.
That means that 18 years after driving peace-keeping Americans out of Somalia, that Somali Jihadists slaughtered civilians at a mall in neighboring Kenya. Yet this is all the fault of the “great satan”, according to this Muslimah.
Why is this Jihad apologist in Congress?
abad says
Precisely why Somali Moslems really do not belong in the United States at all.
They love their Jihad so much, they should all move back to Somalia. I am NOT buying into their “refugee” status.
gravenimage says
True, abad.
KJW says
They dragged our soldiers dead bodies through the streets the Black Hawk Down.
Whose decision is this for her to be on this committee? What can she possibly have to offer as a brand new Congress member and her background which shows her true colors?
Terrorist attacks are nothing new in the Islamic world. Think about the wahhabists in 1801 when they deciddd to fight Shia Islam. When Shi’ites were traveling from Karbala to Negev to pay tribute to Ali, they were attacked-men, women and children-they were ransacked, looted the shrine of Husain, then Abbas, burned buildings, took artifacts, swords, emeralds that had been stored for hundreds of years. 5,000 inhabitants of Karbala died. It was an unprovoked terrorist attacked unless you call being a Shi’ite is provoking.
Somalia has always been a sh*thole long before we had anything to do with it. People like Omar are dangerously stupid and those who put her in office apparently don’t care about her shady and anti-American attitudes.
gravenimage says
+1
sidney penny says
“This explanation founders on the fact that jihad terrorism occurs in areas of the world where we are not involved in “other people’s affairs,” such as Nigeria, Thailand, and the Philippines, but no one seems to notice.”
The United States is not involved in other people’s affairs in Bangladesh or India for that matter and both those countries have jihad terrorism.
Robert Spencer also missed out Burma.
Robert Spencer says
I was not intending to write a comprehensive list.
gravenimage says
+1