Mr Kamran Ishtiaq does not know his history when he said “I know that [Hitler was a racist] and to be honest he would have killed Muslims too if he got a chance”, Hitler never had any issue with Muslims for being Muslim. This genocidal feelings among Muslims in the UK is not uncommon, According to British Muslim journalist Mehdi Hasan, “anti-Semitism isn’t just tolerated in some sections of the British Muslim community; it’s routine and commonplace“. While this anti-Semitism is commonplace and accepted amongst British Muslims, it was until fairly recently exposed, an English speaking Muslim in the UK would know that the Infidels didn’t like it when you spoke badly of their Jews, that veil has been slipping for a while now, with a growth of their numbers in influential roles, emboldened by an increasingly sympathetic Labor Party. It appears Mr Ishtiaq still holds his current position.
More from Mr Kamran Ishtiaq can be found here at the BirminghamMail
Nicu says
It’s no secret that Muslims fought for Hitler in Germany ! Both ideologies are almost the same !
gravenimage says
Grimly true–both Islam and Fascism are violent and totalitarian.
J D.S says
It’s no secret that the grand muffin or Muppet muffin or whatever one one wants to call him, was a Hitler fan so we’re the Muslims who fought with the German army and the German people of today seem to be giving their country away to Muslims.
Ole Pederson says
Sorry, no, this is non-sense. Muslims did not fight for Hitler in Germany, they fought in the Balkans and the Middle East. At the time there were not many muslims in Germany …
gravenimage says
A small point, but true.
CRUSADER says
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One day following official Thanksgiving in the USA, after FDR declared it so —
November 28th 1941 was a Friday, portentous perhaps for a Muslim.
The following is an official German record of the meeting between Adolf Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, on November 28, 1941, at the Reich Chancellory in Berlin.
(Source: Documents on German Foreign Policy 1918-1945, Series D, Vol XIII, London, 1964.)
The Grand Mufti began by thanking the Fuhrer for the great honor he had bestowed by receiving him. He wished to seize the opportunity to convey to the Fuhrer of the Greater German Reich, admired by the entire Arab world, his thanks of the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially the “Palestinian” cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches.
The Arab countries were firmly convinced that Germany would win the war and that the Arab cause would then prosper. The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely the English, the Jews and the Communists. Therefore they were prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in the war, not only negatively by the commission of acts of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion.
The Arabs could be more useful to Germany as allies than might be apparent at first glance, both for geographical reasons and because of the suffering inflicted upon them by the English and the Jews. Furthermore, they had had close relations with all Muslim nations, of which they could make use in behalf of the common cause. The Arab Legion would be quite easy to raise. An appeal by the Mufti to the Arab countries and the prisoners of Arab, Algerian, Tunisian and Moroccan nationality in Germany would produce a great number of volunteers eager to fight. Of Germany’s victory the Arab world was firmly convinced, not only because the Reich possessed a large army, brave soldiers and military leaders of genius, but also because the Almighty could never award the victory to an unjust cause.
‘The Arabs could be more useful to Germany as allies than might be apparent at first glance, both for geographical reasons and because of the suffering inflicted upon them by the English and the Jews’
In this struggle, the Arabs were striving for the independence and unity of Palestine, Syria and Iraq. They had the fullest confidence in the Fuhrer and looked to his hand for the balm on their wounds, which had been inflicted upon them by the enemies of Germany.
The Mufti then mentioned the letter he had received from Germany, which stated that Germany was holding no Arab territories and understood and recognized the aspirations to independence and freedom of the Arabs, just as she supported the elimination of the Jewish national home.
A public declaration in this sense would be very useful for its propagandistic effect on the Arab peoples at this moment. It would rouse the Arabs from their momentary lethargy and give them new courage. It would also ease the Mufti’s work of secretly organizing the Arabs against the moment when they could strike. At the same time, he could give the assurance that the Arabs would in strict discipline patiently wait for the right moment and only strike upon an order from Berlin.
With regard to the events in Iraq, the Mufti observed that the Arabs in that country certainly had by no means been incited by Germany to attack England, but solely had acted in reaction to a direct English assault upon their honor.
The Turks, he believed, would welcome the establishment of an Arab government in the neighboring territories because they would prefer weaker Arab to strong European governments in the neighboring countries and, being themselves a nations of 7 million, they had moreover nothing to fear from the 1,700,000 Arabs inhabiting Syria, Transjordan, Iraq and Palestine.
France likewise would have no objections to the unification plan because it had conceded independence to Syria as early as 1936 and had given her approval to the unification of Iraq and Syria under King Faisal as early as 1933.
In these circumstances he was renewing his request that the Fuhrer make a public declaration so that the Arabs would not lose hope, which is so powerful a force in the life of nations. With such hope in their hearts the Arabs, as he had said, were willing to wait. They were not pressing for immediate realization for their aspirations; they could easily wait half a year or a whole year. But if they were not inspired with such a hope by a declaration of this sort, it could be expected that the English would be the gainers from it.
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The Fuhrer replied that Germany’s fundamental attitude on these questions, as the Mufti himself had already stated, was clear. Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews.
That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine, which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests. Germany was also aware that the assertion that the Jews were carrying out the functions of economic pioneers in Palestine was a lie. The work there was done only by the Arabs, not by the Jews. Germany was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time to direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well.
Germany was at the present time engaged in a life and death struggle with two citadels of Jewish power: Great Britain and Soviet Russia. Theoretically there was a difference between England’s capitalism and Soviet Russia’s communism; actually, however, the Jews in both countries were pursuing a common goal. This was the decisive struggle; on the political plane, it presented itself in the main as a conflict between Germany and England, but ideologically it was a battle between National Socialism and the Jews.
It went without saying that Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle, because platonic promises were useless in a war for survival or destruction in which the Jews were able to mobilize all of England’s power for their ends.
‘Germany was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time to direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well’
The aid to the Arabs would have to be material aid. Of how little help sympathies alone were in such a battle had been demonstrated plainly by the operation in Iraq, where circumstances had not permitted the rendering of really effective, practical aid. In spite of all the sympathies, German aid had not been sufficient and Iraq was overcome by the power of Britain, that is, the guardian of the Jews.
The Mufti could not but be aware, however, that the outcome of the struggle going on at present would also decide the fate of the Arab world. The Fuhrer therefore had to think and speak coolly and deliberately, as a rational man and primarily as a soldier, as the leader of the German and allied armies. Everything of a nature to help in this titanic battle for the common cause, and thus also for the Arabs, would have to be done. Anything however, that might contribute to weakening the military situation must be put aside, no matter how unpopular this move might be.
Germany was now engaged in very severe battles to force the gateway to the northern Caucasus region. The difficulties were mainly with regard to maintaining the supply, which was most difficult as a result of the destruction of railroads and highways as well as the oncoming winter. If at such a moment, the Fuhrer were to raise the problem of Syria in a declaration, those elements in France which were under de Gaulle’s influence would receive new strength. They would interpret the Fuhrer’s declaration as an intention to break up France’s colonial empire and appeal to their fellow countrymen that they should rather make common cause with the English to try to save what still could be saved. A German declaration regarding Syria would in France be understood to refer to the French colonies in general, and that would at the present time create new troubles in western Europe, which means that a portion of the German armed forces would be immobilized in the west and no longer be available for the campaign in the east.
The Fuhrer then made the following statement to the Mufti, enjoining him to lock it in the uttermost depths of his heart:
1. He (the Fuhrer) would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe.
2. At some moment which was impossible to set exactly today but which in any event was not distant, the German armies would in the course of this struggle reach the southern exit from Caucasia.
3. As soon as this had happened, the Fuhrer would on his own give the Arab world the assurance that its hour of liberation had arrived. Germany’s objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. It would then be his task to set off the Arab operations, which he had secretly prepared. When that time had come, Germany could also be indifferent to French reaction to such a declaration.
Once Germany had forced open the road to Iran and Iraq through Rostov; it would be also the beginning of the end of the British World Empire. He (the Fuhrer) hoped that the coming year would make it possible for Germany to thrust open the Caucasian gate to the Middle East.
For the good of their common cause, it would be better if the Arab proclamation were put off for a few more months than if Germany were to create difficulties for itself without being able thereby to help the Arabs.
He (the Fuhrer) fully appreciated the eagerness of the Arabs for a public declaration of the sort requested by the Grand Mufti. But he would beg him to consider that he (the Fuhrer) himself was the Chief of State of the German Reich for five long years during which he was unable to make to his own homeland the announcement of its liberation. He had to wait with that until the announcement could be made on the basis of a situation brought about by the force of arms that the Anschluss had been carried out.
The moment that Germany’s tank divisions and air squadrons had made their appearance south of the Caucasus, the public appeal requested by the Grand Mufti could go out to the Arab world.
The Grand Mufti replied that it was his view that everything would come to pass just as the Fuhrer had indicated. He was fully reassured and satisfied by the words which he had heard form the Chief of the German State. He asked, however, whether it would not be possible, secretly at least, to enter into an agreement with Germany of the kind he had just outlined for the Fuhrer.
The Fuhrer replied that he had just now given the Grand Mufti precisely that confidential declaration.
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CRUSADER says
Full official record: What the mufti said to Hitler
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The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends, Haj Amin al-Husseini told the Nazi leader in 1941, because they had the same enemies — namely the English, the Jews and the Communists
http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/
mortimer says
What’s that ??? Pakistanis living in UK encourage one another to ‘hate Jews’??? Surely you jest … (sarc/off)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCQEmeGfFmY
James Lincoln says
Mortimer,
Thanks for the video link, I’ve watched it before – but I watched it again today.
I have included a link for the excellent book by Alan Dershowitz entitled “The Case For Israel.”
https://www.amazon.com/Case-Israel-Dershowitz-Alan-Hardcover/dp/B01181XRXG/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3MEP9JA71Y49I&keywords=the+case+for+israel+by+alan+dershowitz&qid=1556993045&s=books&sprefix=the+case+for+israel%2Cstripbooks%2C136&sr=1-3
CRUSADER says
Excellent book by Dershowitz, indeed.
Really makes the Case FOR Israel!
I’m of mind that the Twin State “Solution” is a foolish errand.
Much more realistic to allow Israel’s its buffered territory where it can remain in peace and bring about widening economic prosperity to the region surrounding it.
Jordan is the best choice for the “palestinian” Moslem Arabs — they are already there, anyway.
Israel has demonstrated how to make an oasis out of a stoney desert.
mortimer says
If you ever attend an AL QUDS DAY event (a hate-fest of genocidal ideation directed by Muslims against all Jews) then you will know for a fact that it is WELL-ATTENDED BY BROWN MUSLIMS FROM PAKISTAN and a VERY MERRY event it is! They attend with their entire extended families and bring lunches to consume during their ENTERTAINING HATE FEST directed against the evil Israelis.
If you doubt that a majority of Muslims hate Jews, then just attend AL QUDS DAY and you will have that delusion shattered forever.
Jayell says
“It appears Mr Ishtiaq still holds his current position (as Head of the British Pakistani Youth Council).” Well, he would, wouldn’t he? He would have done nothing wrong in the eyes of his community, which is why he felt at liberty to say what he did; and he’s reinforcing and clarifying their true identity for all the world to see. He is to be congratulated because no one now can have any doubts whatever about the compatibility of the Pakistani community with indigenous British citizens and traditional British values. I hate to think what would have happened in the UK if Ishtiaq and his community had been around the place back in 1939.
gravenimage says
All too true.
gravenimage says
President of the British Pakistani Youth Council praised Adolf Hitler for killing Jews
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How many times have we heard this from Muslims now? And from all over the world–this is no isolated phenomenon. Among a polity that does not read much beyond Islamic texts, Mein Kampf is a perennial bestseller. Shops and products are named after Hitler–as a selling point.
More:
Mr Kamran Ishtiaq does not know his history when he said “I know that [Hitler was a racist] and to be honest he would have killed Muslims too if he got a chance”, Hitler never had any issue with Muslims for being Muslim.
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Of course as Marc points out, Ishtiaq is wrong here. While Hitler did harbor some racism towards Arabs–no surprise there–he had no problem with Islam at all–in fact, he admired Islam. The Nazis had Muslim SS units.
The amazing thing here is that even assuming incorrectly that Hitler hated Muslims and would have killed them, he *still* praises Hitler–because of his genocide of the Jews. Murdering Jews trumps all for this pious Muslim.
Barbara says
Hitler and the leading Imam meeting during WWII. They were discussing how to eliminate a mutual enemy. They both hated the Jews.
gravenimage says
Yes–and Hitler modeled the Holocaust on the Muslim genocide of the Armenians.
elee says
Yep. Right before the Wannsee Conference, wasn’t it? You tell me whether “Allah in heaven, Hitler on earth” is old news.
gravenimage says
Ugly, ugly stuff, elee.
CRUSADER says
Did this happen?:
The “Muppet” / Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who, Netanyahu claimed, suggested killing the Jews (rather than merely expelling them) to Hitler during a 1941 visit to Berlin.
The full German record of the meeting between al-Husseini and Hitler, on Nov. 28, 1941, was published half a century ago, and is readily available online.
It is a fascinating and important document as it sheds light on the true origins of the Holocaust, and why Hitler undertook it when he did.
The timing of the meeting is critical to understanding it and placing it in context.
In late November 1941, as World War II continued, German troops had besieged Leningrad and had reached the outskirts of Moscow. A great many observers all over the world had expected the USSR to have collapsed under the weight of the attack Hitler had unleashed that June, and it was not yet clear that Germany was not about to defeat the Soviet Union. Equally importantly, although the negotiations between the United States and Japan that were designed to preserve peace in the Pacific seemed about to fail, the United States was not yet in the war.
When Hitler and al-Husseini met, both leaders clearly believed that Germany was going to win, and the bulk of their conversation dealt with what the Arabs should or should not do help bring that outcome about.
KEY:
Al-Husseini began the conversation by declaring that the Germans and the Arabs had the same enemies: “the English, the Jews, and the Communists.”
He proposed an Arab revolt all across the Middle East to fight the Jews; the English, who still ruled Palestine and controlled Iraq and Egypt; and even the French, who controlled Syria and Lebanon. (The British had secured a mandate for Palestine at the Paris peace conference in 1919, and made halting attempts to create a “Jewish national home” there without prejudicing the rights of the Arab population.)
He also wanted to form an Arab legion, using Arab prisoners from the French Empire who were then POWs inside Germany. He also asked Hitler to declare publicly, as the German government had privately, that it favored “the elimination of the Jewish national home” in Palestine.
Regarding Herr Hitler’s supposed desire to expel, rather than murder, the Jews — that had indeed been the policy of the German government at least until 1938. Hitler’s reply to Al-Husseini on November 28, however, confirmed that this policy was already a thing of the past before that meeting.
A great deal of evidence indicates that the decision to murder all the Jews of Europe had been taken sometime during the prior six months. The implementation of the policy, indeed, had begun immediately after the invasion of the USSR on June 22, when Einsatzgruppen squads began rounding up and shooting Jews by the thousands as troops advanced into the USSR.
On July 31, Reinhard Heydrich of the SS had received a directive to prepare “the total solution of the Jewish question,” The construction of death camps in Poland had already begun, and Heydrich had already sent out invitations for the Wansee Conference, the meeting of high German officials from all involved ministries, that discussed the implementation of the “Final Solution” when it convened in January. Hitler’s reply to Husseini reflects all these decisions and measures.
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Although al-Husseini asked for it, Hitler did not want an Arab revolt, at least not yet, as he did not expect one to succeed. He promised that it could be undertaken after further advances into the USSR, and through the Caucasus.
But Germany’s “fundamental attitude,” he said, “was clear:
Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews,” including, obviously, the “national home” in Palestine.
“Germany,” Hitler continued, “was at the present time engaged in a life and death struggle with two citadels of Jewish power: Great Britain and Soviet Russia.” Ideologically the war was “a battle between National Socialism and the Jews,” and Germany would of course help others involved in this “war of survival or destruction.”
And Germany, Hitler said — in an unusually frank statement of what was about to happen — “was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time to direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well.”
Al-Husseini had obviously come to Berlin in the middle of the play, and could not possibly have had any influence on decisions that had already been taken. Nor did he say anything about the fate of the millions of Jews—most of them Polish and Soviet nationals—who had already come under Hitler’s control. What he wanted, and did not get, was the authorization to proceed immediately to a revolt against the colonial powers in the Middle East and a war against the British and the Jews in Palestine.
— Time magazine / source
Hansel says
Hitler was planning to wipe out the Jews long before he met that POS
gravenimage says
True–but the two were definitely simpatico.
CRUSADER says
What I have come to understand, via Mark Durie and Bat Ye’or, is that ideas for treating Jews in Europe’s many pogroms were taken from Muslim treatments of Dhimmis, as pitiable lower class people (often thought of as filthy pigs and monkeys and dogs and vermin) deserving horrid conditions if at all tolerated in society amongst Muslims. Nazis picked up on all of that, and systemized it with accordance to their control programs.
FYI says
Are ishtiaq and David cameron an item?
They look like a couple..a couple of……wa…..
An islamic bromance:especially given cameron’s role in creating the multicult catastrophe{along with Tony Blair
..which goes to show that either with Labour or the Conservatives,the UK is in serious trouble…}
The one thing hitler and islam’s false,pederast “prophet” had in common ,is that they were both Mass murderers of Jews.
Abu Dawud 4390
alex reid says
And they call people who criticise Muslims/Islam Far Right Extremists!! The world has definitely gone insane!!!
CRUSADER says
This conduct by the young PAKI simply isn’t “proper cricket” !!!