Now and again Leftists and Islamic supremacists try a tactic that was common back in 2003 or 2004: to hold this site or me personally responsible for nasty comments written here by people unknown to me. In reality, of course, no one is responsible for what anyone else does, unless he asked that it be done, called for it to be done, or forced it to be done, but when have the haters of Western civilization and enablers of jihad ever cared for reality?
Anyway, I was reminded of this recently when a comment appeared on the Jihad Watch post “Canada to fight ‘far-right’ groups after ‘terrorist attack’ that killed four Muslims“:
GOOD THOSE MUZZIES DESERVED IT I WISH THERE R MORE ATTACKS
We don’t approve of, call for, or condone any violence or illegal activity here, so as soon as I saw that, I went into the site to take it down. While I was at it, I deleted all the comments written from the email address used by the writer of that comment. And as it turned out, the writer was a Muslim who had been commenting frequently at Jihad Watch. Here are a few of his comments:
Do u think I should be killed for believing in God(Allah)??
And:
Hey infidel(which is Christian word used during christendom and has no basis in islam) Read my entire refutation of Robert Spencers claim…..I have quoted top muslims scholars from Saudi Arabia,egypt,Iraq etc
And
ROBERT DISPENCER BUSTED AGAIN
USING THE SAME OLD CHERRY PICKED ARGUMENTS….its unfortunate that Robert uses tragedies to further his own deceptive agenda.Robert claims ISIS r muslims and muslims support ISIS. Reality: Top Muslim clerics, scholars and activists have condemned the establishment of a caliphate by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, now known simply as the Islamic State.
You get the idea. Here is a persistent, if derivative, Islamic apologist, suddenly approving of the murder of Muslims. Could he have been trying to make this site look bad and ultimately get it shut down? Why, of course. “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.’” (Bukhari 4.52.269) And it’s a lot easier jihad than some of the alternatives.
Henry Mansfield says
Websites dealing with American politics have ‘trolls’ that impersonate the opposing viewpoint, starting with fairly cogent responses and devolving into insults and threats before administrators cut them off. And then there are the bored attention-seekers looking to make everyone commenting and the website look bad with cursing, personal attacks and sarcasm.
American Thinker has often ran short pieces on lesser reported aspects of Islam, it recently moved it’s comments off-site altogether.
I try to stay respectful when I comment here. The one time I’ve been moderated was for a probably too vivid description of my first action after hearing a female relative had fallen victim to Muslims such as with the UK grooming gangs.
That was more like a promise than a threat but I learned the boundary and there’s been no more problems.
Myron J. Poltroonian says
Sorry to hear about your female relative. Your reaction, in civilized society, is perfectly understandable. As to the “Intent” aspect, the way I put it is: ” … and that’s not a ‘Threat’, it’s a ‘Promise’!”, as any first Dick worth his salt would say. One of those being a First Sargent in this man’s army.
[Ex-GI 06/’59-06/’62]
notnolib says
I suspect he (?) was being paid by the terror organization CAIR.
Andrew Blackadder says
Glad to see you are on top of this Robert, as i seen those comments also and wondered what kind of person it was… Now I know… well done.
Ecosse1314 says
That would be Cultural Muslim inter alia. I believe GI has the full list
Glad to hear he is gone for a while
St. Croix says
Online “undercover agents” have a many tactics. This is one of them, whether they are loners or part of a group. Thankfully this fool was taken down. I forget who said it, but the saying “the devil eventually shows his hand” applies in all these situations.
The pride that accompanies and motivates evil actions will let something slip eventually. Like the tail of the wolf dragging under the petticoat of the fake “grandma”–but you have to look for it. And if you look to see if it’s there, you are called “Islamophobic.”
This is why I’m not in favour of censorship. Let the devils show their mangy tails, so the truth about the posers will be revealed.
Unfortunately, until that is made clear, they do collateral damage on websites such as Jihad Watch.
Some readers here are very good at seeing the true motives of some of the commenters. I marvel at that, but those are the “old hands” and I won’t name them, but they’ve been following this trend for a long time. My eyes (to what Islam really is) were opened by ISIS. Then, I searched and found Jihad Watch.
Not like now, where many browsers are screening out this valuable site because of “Islamophobia.” And the comments of specimens like the one now blocked and mentioned in this article certainly don’t help with the ratings and labels. They exist to help get Jihad Watch blocked. Anything about the truth of Islam must be blocked. But how about all those scholars mentioned? The ones who actually don’t decry ISIS and their ilk. Rather, they confirm what Robert Spencer says, that the Qu’ran and hadiths are very much pro-jihad, anti-semitic, pro-caliphate, pro-apocalypse Islamo-style.
To the media I would say STOP trying to shield us from the truth. Stop believing the lies about “Islamophobia” and stop telling lies yourselves. But few journalists care about truth. They are “crusaders” in their own demented scheme of “world peace” and de-population via neo-Marxism and postmodernism.
Linde Barrera says
To St. Croix- Excellent post, I loved what you wrote. I found Jihad Watch in the fall of 2015 after asking questions online about why the Islamic State was murdering Christians in Iraq and Afghanistan despite US troops being there, trying to bring “democracy to the Middle East”. (That slogan was from VP Dick Cheney, one of the Military Industrial Complex supporters
in the US government.) I learned from Jihad Watch that Islam
does not want democracy, they want Sharia Law. I also learned from Jihad Watch the various verses in the Quran that are the doctrinal basis for why ISIS,
Boko Haram and other Islamic terrorist groups do what they
do. I am very thankful and very
grateful for Jihad Watch, Robert Spencer, all the article writers
here, and all the people who
post comments here, even the ones who think Islam is great.?
FREE SPEECH FOREVER.?
In my opinion Islam is evil and
most Muslims are brainwashed. Yet the vast majority of Muslims show kind and civil behavior.
They want to show their god
Allah (whom I think is Satan) as
well as “Unbelievers” that they
are good examples of “the
religion of peace.” I remember
in Far Rockaway HS (NY) in
1967 my world history teacher said “Islam is known as the religion of peace” when we did
a comparative study of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism.
So please keep up the good
research and writing work. We must never take our freedoms
for granted or get lazy in
speaking up for what is right.
God bless you all. (For those
here who are atheists, you
should always have the right to believe what you want, even if I
or others believe in God and do
not understand your viewpoint.)
And THANK YOU AGAIN to my
hero, the great Robert Spencer.
gravenimage says
Mostly Jihadists are allowed to post here–they reveal their ugly creed and show how pious Muslims think.
But when they are dishonest and try to falsely smear jihad watch, that is another matter.
fadeye@yahoo.com says
Just like the majority of ‘hate crimes’ against mozlems are HOAXES! They do it to themselves to get sympathy!
PRCS says
I signed up on Parler on the morning it was banned.
The first thing I saw was overt, graphic pornography. No doubt in my mind why that had been posted.
Infidel says
Ah, so Cultural muslim was the same guy as Bullet, and I forget the third name. It’s funny how under one pseudonym, he decided to be anti-muslim AND anti-Hindu, while in his main persona, he was a muslim. Going back to those threads, see that he’s all gone
Also, this practice of impugning a site owner w/ the comments of the readership is what has fed into the excessive online censorship, since too many publishers accept that premise and happily crack down on readers who they think might be defaming them. Like Breitbart has Disqus, which has really bizarre hold rules on posts for certain key words that might trigger people, and by the time someone looks at it and okays it, it’s history as most people have gone past that thread
somehistory says
Was he also “Daniel Ally”?
“Sam and Rod” seemed to employ the same tactics and skewed ‘reasoning.’ It’s impossible for commenters to know for sure if they are different people or just using different names to stir up trouble.
gravenimage says
Yep.
Infidel says
Yeah, thanks for the reminder! I thought that he might also be the other 9/11 and Kennedy conspiracy theorist, but apparently not
Rarely says
‘Freedom of Speech” takes on an entirely new dimension with the internet. The ease with which crack ideas, outright lies and all sorts of weird theories (often of the conspiracy variety) are spread is unprecedented. The World has become a much more dangerous place as a result.
Who sensors what? Who is responsible for what? and like questions become very troublesome but they must be answered and dealt with.
Personally, I find that RS has done a pretty good job of exposing jihadist activity without even remotely calling for violence. However, the same cannot be said for all of the comments.
Whether the commenter in question was trying to discredit the website, simply wanted to see what sort of reactions his comments would bring and/or was acting as a “mole” for a third party is unknown.
gravenimage says
Rarely, this same poster was a Muslim supremacist *and* pretending to be an Anti-Jihadist calling for violence against Muslims.
Rarely says
Understood GI.
However, we cannot discount the possibility that he is just a disruptive idiot without any sophisticated agenda.
gravenimage says
He actually seemed *very* knowledgeable about Shari’ah law and the canonical texts of Islam, Rarely–including about amputations and the history of the murder of apostates. So I doubt in this case that this was just some disruptive troll–although we have also had a few of those from time to time.
Raja says
The guy who went by the name cultural Muslim or Bullet had in all probability had Islamic motives to destroy the website or Mr. Spencer.
This “cultural Muslim” was wish-washy from the time he appeared on the site. He could not defend his title of “cultural Muslim” as he was vague and self contradictory. I could not figure out where his loyalty laid.
He probably decided to have maximum impact of his presence on the site through taqiyya jihad and suicide “bombing”.
There are plenty of evil people and we need to be watchful all the time.
gravenimage says
+1
Raja says
Thank you Gravenimage
gregbeetham says
I suppose I should try to temper my outbursts a bit but it’s hard because this detestable toxic satanic cult is responsible for so much carnage in the world; I can’t see any redeemable qualities in it at all and the sooner it is expunged one way or another from the face of the earth the better.
Currently Muslims have a two faced presentation where publicly one distances itself from the other but out of the public glare still finds a way to support the maligned one by one subterfuge or another.
Don’t be deceived we are at war with ALL Muslims, and not because we declared war on them it is because the secretly approved of (but publicly disowned) aggressive side of Islam declared war on us, so ignore the deceptions that the ‘peaceful’ Muslims peddle because it is a load of horseradish.
The reason why it is horseradish is that the ‘nice’ Muslims send their children to Islamic schools and they know exactly what is going to happen there, their children are going to be brainwashed with Islam and obviously must approve of their subsequent total submission to the will of Allah, and for that reason they are duplicitous two faced liars.
somehistory says
It’s good that Mr. Spencer can go “behind the scenes” and rid his site of comments meant to do damage, as opposed to those that wish to ask logical questions and/or inform others of tactics of those who wish to destroy humanity by means of islam.
The regular “news sites” may report on the most violent actions of jihadists, but even then, they don’t expose the motives and intentions of those committing the foul deeds.
The adherents of islam don’t want their motives and intentions exposed for all of the world to see and condemn. Some of them use the internet, even this site and others that expose them, to lie and sling arrows of deceit and if they can, to create enough anger, to cause some anti-jihadists to over-react. It’s easy to become angry, as islam is straight from satan and its sole reason for existing is to do his “desire,” which is to create mayhem, havoc, murder, rape, and the big lie, that satan is “god” and should be obeyed.
The Bible says, “Be angry, but do not sin.” That is one very difficult command to obey at times. It’s good to have a reminder now and then.
john smith says
Thank God for people like Robert Spencer and this site, as muslims will deploy any tactic to try to get it closed. They want it shut down, off air, for the simple reason it is exposing the truth of the vile evil ideology islam truly is.
So cultural muslim, or any other muslim who may read this, I have one thing to say to you. People here know your evil dirty secrets and you’ll never pull the wool over our eyes, we will fight your satanic cult.
We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight in the hills, we shall fight in the fields, we shall never surrender
gravenimage says
+1
john smith says
Thank you Gravenimage
Myron J. Poltroonian says
We are now living in a time described by George Orwell; a time wherein the truth and those who express it will be vilified, scorned and worse. The entirety of Western Civilization, which is only some three and a half or so thousand years old did not truly achieve its concept of freedom and liberty for all of its citizens until the “American Experiment” came into being and then underwent an adjustment period of some seventy five/eighty five or more years longer to begin to truly bring that concept into fruition. Show me the Great Civilizations of the world who have achieved that goal. Egypt? Talk to the Hebrews and their descendants about that and they’ll beg to differ. The Chinese? Talk to the Muslims in southwestern Chinese “Reeducation Camps” – if you can. Great Sub-Saharan African civilizations – like … ? The “Sub-Continent”? Ask those not at the top of their Caste System. The “New World Indigenous Peoples” societies that didn’t practice slavery and/or human sacrifice were … ? Anywhere else in the world? Anywhere … ? The idea of inclusive equality for all people arose where it arose – period. The idea that “Power devolves from and only with the consent of the governed”, was not the way societies were constituted for countless millennia. I cannot, nor will I, deny the facts or the truth. It has not been an easy nor a brief struggle for humanity, but it has been fought for and won and I shall not feel guilt for how it came about, or by whom it was that made it happen.
[Addendum: I am not a “Color”, I am a Caucasian. To me, colors are for crayons – and “Progressives”.]
I was once asked by a fellow (female) community action group member, “What” I was. When I responded “American”, she went into apoplexy, admonishing me sternly that I couldn’t make that claim, as that wasn’t a “recognized, legitimate” category or group. I replied that when I was stationed near Munich, West Germany [12/’60-06/’62], I was asked, in German, the same question. I then told her I responded thus: “Armenischer, Englander, Franklander, Hollander und Scotlander”, to which my German questioner, bursting into a big smile said, “Ach! Amerikaner!”. I told her it was a lesson I’ve never forgotten. As long as we Balkanize, segregate, separate, categorize, fold, spindle and mutilate the American polity, we diminish this grand experiment. We must embrace our uniquely American commonality, especially those precepts as espoused in our Constitution and its Preamble thereto that bind us together. We must disavow those who would divide to conquer, control and diminish us, both as a people and as a nation. So I ask you, am I wrong to insist on my “Americanism”, especially since my grandparents sacrificed so much just to get here to raise a family in freedom? If you agree with my inquisitor, please, follow her petty, “Progressive” ways. Just do it somewhere else. Otherwise, welcome to my country.
Infidel says
The usage of colors or continents as a substitute for race is one of the stupidest trends that I’ve seen in a while. Anglo-Saxons and Celts have little in common w/ Slavs who again are very different from Germanic peoples. Among ‘Blacks’, Dravidian is very different from Negroid: if you tell someone from Chennai that she’s the same race as someone from Chingola, both will look at you like you need to get your head examined. Similarly, among ‘Browns’, telling someone from Brasilia that he’s the same race as someone from Bhopal would get the same reaction.
Same thing for the usage of Continents. I know that we now say ‘Asian’, but within Asia, there are plenty of races. Han Chinese are different from Mongoloids – Tibetans, Mongols, and nothing like the others, such as Koreans and Japanese. Indians have little in common w/ IndoChina in terms of race, but both are called Asians. Similarly, in Africa, there is a world of difference b/w Arabs and Berbers in North Africa vs the various peoples in sub Saharan Africa
In short, the way race is classified is complicated and broken, which is arguably the best reason to jettison it
Poor says
oof I’ve written hot stuff in my comments.
No intention to make the site look bad and all my comments are authored solely by myself. I’ve never been, I’m not and I’ll never be muslim.
This seems to be the only free speech website out there.
I was kicked out of a fb group and my private fb profile was disabled because I mentioned Germans are in denial about with muslims.
Recently I was locked out of my twitter account for stating the same.
Germany is a jail and the slightest movement out of line, gets you cancelled.
So this site is a rare precious free speech tiny island. I love it and grateful to Robert for his work.
gravenimage says
Reminder: Things are not always as they seem, even in website comments
…………….
That same poster–“Daniel Ally” and “Daniel” was clearly a Jihad apologist–but he also posted as “Bullet”, who was against Jihad violence, and “Cultural Muslim”, who had supposedly left Islam (even though as “Daniel Ally” he lauded the murder of apostates.
He apparently showed up later as the implausibly named “SergioX”, a Hindu suopremacist, and as “TedKenny”, an “Islamophobe”. I never saw the appalling call for violence, though.
Clearly, all of this dishonesty was intended as “Jihad of the pen”–crowing about the horrors of Islam while falsely smearing those who stand against these horrors. Ugly, ugly stuff.
He seemed especially bad, and especially prolific in a short amount of time–but there have been many like him over the years here.
Infidel says
Bullet, while putting on an anti-jihad appearance, also decided to use tu quoque arguments against Hindus, hoping that a western, particularly Christian, readership might buy into that equivalence. And then Cultural Muslim started posing questions like how do we peacefully get rid of jihadists, w/o expelling them
Real specimens
gravenimage says
Yes.
Raja says
Infidel,
There was also a SAFI who sounded very much like Bullet, Cultural Islam and so on.
The language and the tone revealed much similarities of all these elements.
gravenimage says
Raja, SAFI is an Anti-Jihadist who has been posting here for years–unless it was someone else using his name.
gravenimage says
Now it looks as though we have another troll posting under more than one username–“gullible sheep” and “David M”, on this thread:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/06/yemen-houthi-leader-claims-us-fabricated-9-11-in-order-to-target-the-islamic-world
It never ends…