Glad I found this website. Good luck with it Spencer and I really appreciate the fact that you've made this crucial information available for all to read.

Thanks,
Bob USA

Wahhabism will have to be defeated before a democratic country in the Islamic Middle East will survive. When are we going to face up to this reality instead of ignoring the Saudi source of this perfidy?

If we were to wage a war to the death against all of Islam and fight it until Islam is unable to mount any defense we would be looking at casualties (death/incapacitating injuries)on the order of 600,000,000, to 800,000,000 dead Islamics. Those figures are what is commonly quoted for a military unit to cease functioning as a viable unit (40-50%). We have the weapons available to do just that. The question isn't if we have the will to wage a war on that magnitude. The question is whether or not Islam is willing to turn away from their stated goals of world domination through either conversion or the sword and thereby prevent the largest extinction of human life this world has ever seen.

I've read arguments that nuking Mecca and all of the other 'holy' sites would result in an even more extreme version of Islam, because the current followers weren't Islamic enough to prevent the destruction of those sites. I've also heard, from a middle class Lebanese woman, that the only thing the Arabs respect is raw power, albeit in the form of military, financial, or political. The second argument makes it appear that a big enough force projected into the heart of Islam would force a capitulation (My G-D is bigger, badder, and stronger than your G-D).

I sure wouldn't want to be associated with either of the extremes.

"We consume 20 million barrels of oil per day. We produce 9, and import 4 from Canada and Mexico and receive an additional 2-4 from other friendly nations."
And that , in a nutshell, is the problem. You consume more than you produce and so you consider means other than trade to maintain your wealth.
This is exactly the "justification" that the wahabists use in their jihad.

Infidel#11, the ball is in Islam's court. We aren't about to turn 6X10^8 people into radioactive carbon 14 unless we're provoked.

SAC (Strategic Air Command) had a motto "peace is our profession." They followed that with "if we go to war then we've failed in our profession."

The Islamics already have WMD from our (gag, puke, choke) friends, the Pakistanis. Now they are working on a delivery system, courtesy of the N. Koreans. Do we do a preemptive strike and take out those weapons? What a lot of those countries don't realize is that they rely on the US for a very healthy chunk of their economy and when the US economy dips that their own wellbeing is in jeopardy. The Soviets realized the interdependence of the major world powers. I don't believe the Islamics either know or care about the world economic systems. That makes them very, very dangerous.

Infidel,

I'm afraid that I agree with your position. The only thing that the muslim world respects is a show of strength, and perhaps destroying the most sacred of all cities would be a proper start. To fight a war on OUR terms is all good and well, but the enemy will use ANY and ALL means to destroy the western world. Even if that means lying, torture, and killing of innocents. You fight a war to win, and to win a war you have to achieve total warfare, not nitpicking with 'politically correct' and 'humane' treatment of the enemy AND the populations that support him. Anyhow, I have a TON of examples I can pull out, but that'll be later. It's bedtime. Goodnight.

I like the idea of taking anybody from power that got there by being King. Unless you are in power by virtue of being elected by the people you govern, you got no claim to rule. How stupid is it to recognize someone as the person in charge, if they got there because their great grandaddy killed more people than anyone a hundred years or more ago? Figurehead Queens and Kings are bad enough, if the real power is held by an elected Congress of Paliament, but tyrants and despots really piss me off.

The house of Saud has no legitimate claim to the riches of SA. How many native arabs live in SA? How many of them are the megarich elite? How many are the unwashed poor? I am all for the immediate takeover of SA, and setting up a secular government that gives the oil riches to the people, in order of who contributes to getting it out of the ground and processes/distributes it. In other words, if you want to sit on your ass and live off the welfare state, fine, but the guys that go out and make it all possible get a bigger share. There are too few who have way too much power and influence, via their obscene control of vast resources. How many US movers and shakers have been bought by wahabi petrodollars?

The US State Department is the main problem in not addressig the fascist-Islamic problem. If Saudi Arabia is the "friend" State claims why get bent out of shape over their supposed agreement with Pakistan over nuclear technology? The constant reference to tyrants as "President" (the PA, Syria, etc) is asanine and a solid example of the need to dismantle State.

NUKES =
CANCER, SPINA BIFIDA, CLEFT PALATES,DISEASED ORGANS, GENETIC MUTATIONS, ETC.

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR CHILDREN!
- EVEN THEIR CHILDREN,OR FOR OUR EARTH
FOR IF THE EARTH GOES BY POISON, SO GO WE.

We must be creative, go beyond our normal dialectical mind constructs to find an answer. We must educate others and not in a hateful way. There is too much hate in the world today.

Sorry I didn't mean to sound so... like that...
on my soap-box,
but I do know that those of us who treasure freedom and the continuation of humanity and all that goes with its upkeep, we think very seriously about things of such power that can kill all of us, in a flash or over time, kills...

I love peace and joy and happiness but I understand that there is evil in the world that will kill until stopped by force. So, I am not a pacifist but I wonder sometimes if the blast of fire is not perceived an easy way out of a
hard situation...

I don't like war either Robert, but there are times when we don't have the option not to fight. I recommend Sung Tsu's THE ART OF WAR.

You people have got it all wrong. Let me tell you something until you have no knowledge of Islam don’t Judge. OK now get the message clearly.

You are not the first ones there has been many before you so you are not new. OK now the ones that have investigated Islam properly they have found the truth of this world and hereafter withier through Science, Fact, Worldly, Spiritually, Proof etc it has lead them to Guidance and strong belief.

·What about Neil Armstrong since announcing Islam, how comes the media is keeping quite about him.

·The Tree in Germany that cleary signed There is no god worthy worship Except Allah (God)And Muhammed is the Last and Final Messenger. obviously in arabic. how comes the goverment in german cut the tree down wen conversion to Islam grew fairly quick.

·1970's American Navy Ship Sgt Bloc Denounced Islam after finding a Qur’an being read by one of the navy and ripped it in half and chucked it in the river. Why wasnt it in the media.

Let me tell you something the ones are causing trouble (So called Islamic Terrorist) are a small sect that call them self’s as Wahabi. To find out more check out this site http://www.shianews.com and you will find out what kind of trouble they are causing and look in to their belief.

Any way enough said, Hope it teaches you people something and I pray you are all guided like the ones that was before you and not the ones that went Astray.

Brief history of the Wahabi’s (Muslim Sect)
Both Shia and Sunni Muslims have been killed by the Wahabi Sipah e Sahaba and Lashkar e Jhangavi in Pakistan. The Afghani Wahabis, Taliban, have killed thousands of Shias and Sunnis from the Hazara community in the province of Bamiyan. Saddam Hussain, the Iraqi version of King Fahad, has killed thousands of Shia and Sunni Muslims in Iraq.

But, the international media insists on believing the version of the murderers instead of the victims and continue using the term "Sunni" for Wahabis.

Muslim Sects In this World

89-95 % Sunni
6-8 % Shia
4-6 % Wahabi
2-4 % Sufi, Quadiani and many small sects

The Sect Sunni is basically from the belief root of Muhammed (PBUH) and all the other sects have another leader on the side they follow. The most violent one is Wahabi and the most peace loving sect is Sunni.

This needs to be clear, its not something made up so please help us Sunni Victims and let the world no what its really about.

Geographicaly Christains are more in this world but theoroticaly Islam is more, as more and more people taking up Islam. Islam is democratic, Qur'an is Political, and a complete way of life. Muhammed(PBUH) showed us how to be a father a husband a leader and many other things.

Sorry if i was being a bit harsh in the beggining.

Hope you would help us to spread the truth about the so called bush in terror, with his pet our blair.

I don't know why people have such a tough time with this. The problem is not Wahabism. The Hezbullah are not Wahabis. The Ayatollah in Iran is not Wahabi. Ghadafi is not Wahabi. Saddam is not Wahabi. Bashir Asad is not Wahabi. But all these guys have something in common--the same Quran. "O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who are near you and let them find harshness in you." 9:123--just one example many others are easy to find. And George, the reason the press doesn't report that Neil Armstrong became a Muslim is because he didn't. It is just a fabrication to suggest brilliant Westerners are converting to Islam. The sad truth is that the most famous Westerners Islam is winning over tend to be guys who have been hit in the head too many times. But you give a good example of how what Islam cannot accomplish by deception it will attempt to do by force.