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February 24, 2004

Bin Laden Lieutenant Taunts Bush on Tape

Al-Qaeda is still full of threats and murder — oh, and they're not too happy about France and that headscarf thing, either. From AP, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:

Audiotapes purported to be from Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant aired on Arabic TV stations Tuesday, one taunting President Bush and threatening more attacks on the United States, the second criticizing France's decision to ban Islamic headscarves in schools.

Portions of separate audiotapes attributed to Ayman al-Zawahri were broadcast a few hours apart on Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera, competing pan-Arab satellite channels based in the Persian Gulf. Officials at both stations said they had aired only excerpts judged newsworthy. The two stations said they had received different tapes.

In Al-Jazeera's tape, the voice believed to be that of al-Zawahri challenged Bush's claim to have liberated Iraq and indicated al-Qaida is still running operations from Afghanistan.

"We remind Bush that situation is not stable in Afghanistan, or else how do we wage, with God's support and might, our attacks on your troops and agents. ... How do we send our messages that challenge you and reveal your lies," the tape said.

"We remind Bush that he didn't destroy two-thirds of Al-Qaida. On the contrary, thanks be to God, al-Qaida is still in the holy war battleground raising the banner of Islam in the face of the Zionist-Crusader campaign against the Islamic community," it added.

In his State of the Union address in January, Bush said "nearly two-thirds" of al-Qaida's known leaders had been captured or killed.

"Bush, fortify your targets, tighten your defense, intensify your security measures," the voice warned, "because the fighting Islamic community — which sent you New York and Washington battalions — has decided to send you one battalion after the other, carrying death and seeking heaven."

The audiotape aired by Dubai-based al-Arabiya also criticized France's decision to ban religious symbols in public buildings, including headscarves worn by Muslim women. The law is expected to go before the French Senate early next month, where little opposition exists.

"The decision of the French president to issue a law to prevent Muslim girls from covering their heads in schools is another example of the Crusader's envy, which Westerners have against Muslims," the voice said in Al-Arabiya's tape. "This envy boils in their hearts and overflows in their chests and they pass it on to the generations."

Both stations identified the voice on their tapes as that of al-Zawahri, and both said they had received the material on Tuesday. Officials at both stations spoke on condition of anonymity.

The Al-Arabiya official said his station's analysts believed the voice to be al-Zawahri's and that the station believed it was authentic primarily because of the source from which it received the tape, which he would not disclose. The Al-Jazeera official said only that his station had received the material over telephone lines and that al-Zawahri's voice was familiar to his staff.

The voice on both tapes sounded identical. The tone and rhetoric were familiar from previous videotapes and audiotapes also believed to be from al-Zawahri, though it was not possible to independently confirm the speaker's identity.

Al-Zawahri, an Egyptian-born physician, is thought to be in hiding along with bin Laden in the mountains somewhere along the rugged border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The tapes come at a time when Pakistani forces backed by helicopters were searching villages in a remote border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan where bin Laden and Taliban suspects are believed to be hiding. The fugitives were believed to have taken refuge among tribes.

The voice on Al-Arabiya's tape singled out Egypt's foremost religious leader, Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, the grand sheik of Al-Azhar, calling his support of the French decision "a scandal."

Tantawi issued an edict early this year asking Muslim women living in France to comply with French laws on religious symbols. His first remarks defending the ban were made Dec. 30, so the tape would have been made sometime after that.

The French decision has sparked protests across the Islamic world.

A French Foreign Ministry official, responding to the tape, reiterated Tuesday his country's position that the law is meant to protect the country's secular foundations and is not directed at Muslims or any particular religion.

Al-Qaida is blamed for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States. Tapes by the group have focused on the wars with the Americans and their allies in Afghanistan and Iraq. France has strongly opposed the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

The last time a videotape of al-Zawahri was released on Arab television was in September. It showed the bearded, turbaned cleric climbing down a craggy mountainside with bin Laden.

Posted by Robert at February 24, 2004 9:10 AM
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Bitch Laden's people can only taunt, like the underdeveloped intellectuals they are from the caves they reside in. Caves or mud huts.

Some live they lead. We'll see how much taunting these lowlifes do once the sit in a 6x6 cell.

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 24, 2004 9:32 AM

Oh....about the headscarves......Hello all Muslims......God said to live and abide by man's law....get over it......abide by the laws of the nations you insist on infesting, or get your asses back to the sand dunes....

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 24, 2004 9:36 AM

First things first, we need to Blow Dubai off the face of the Earth. This is the Voice of all Muslims wanting to get their tapes played on the Air. These stations say they can not disclose there sources, Bull Shit! Disclose them or you are now cooperating with the Terorist and should be eliminated. There is no way they should be allowed to broadcast one more day. All this guy kept saying was they were doing it for God. I say if these Muslims all want to see Gor or Allah or whoever they are serving this week, LET'S SEND THEM ALL!!!!!

Posted by: Scott at February 24, 2004 10:31 AM

scott why are you so angry all the time you and DC post's are filled with so much negative language.
its called journalistic freedom.... you know one of those liberties that this country values....

i guess protecting your sources is only valid if your robert novak and its part of the conservative agenda....

the dark side is strong with you....

Posted by: joseph at February 24, 2004 11:13 AM

First-Joseph, shut the hell up. Second...This post goes out to the following: Cathy, MG, EPG, Colt, Missy, Lou, Susan, Proud Infedel, Jihan, Earl, Flan, Nathan, Zork, Hugh, Wild Hare, Scott, TS, Bobnoxious, Jewwith a 44, AM, and I'm sorry if I forgot any of you.

I am planning to send an E-mail to our friends at CAIR, asking them to explain to the United States why, since they are the self appointed spokespeople for all Muslims, they are not making any moves to stop terrorism, and why the continue to badger our constitution. I had a run in with this group a few months ago, and I would like to ask all of you for any backup if I need it.

They have a nasty habit of calling anyone that questions them an Islamaphobe, or jingoistic. I just wanted to let you know. Please let me know. I may not get any answer at all from them, but I'm going to call them out.......again.

Thanks,

D.C.

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 24, 2004 11:26 AM

Joseph you’re an idiot.....


As for this "late breaking new" it all sounds the same... This is really how it should be read.

You are all infidels .. blah blah blah...

You are jealous of Islam.... blah..

something something Zionist blah blah...

You’re all going to die blah blah blah...

You will never rest blah we are coming for you again blah blah and BLAH!

Throw in a cool Charlie Brown teacher voice and there you have it.

These tapes are getting old. If they could give a bloody nose they would. They can't so it's like the bully on playground going. I’m going to kick your a$$, I'm going to kick your a$$. Eventually you just say bring it or shut the F*ck up!

I don't worry much about the big bad Islamoboogieman. No need to fear. I have faith that if and when the smack needs to be laid down on someone we will step up. I have a sneaky suspicion these Islamonazi's know that too. That’s why they only send tapes and not bodies.

Posted by: Wild Hare at February 24, 2004 12:23 PM

Joseph - Journalistic freedom is fine, but…; and here's the what you don't understand. We are at war. Seditious and treasonous talk during war is, to say the least, unacceptable and deserving of "angry words."

We will be at war until the world-wide Jihad has been surpressed, and the creeping Islamization of the West, especially North America, has been turned back.

Muslims, and any others who have designs on our government and our way of life will be "shown" that they are welcome only if they joint us, rather than than requiring us to join them. As Islam means submission, rather than peace, it is unlikely that the jihadists agenda will not continue to be put forward. I hope that there are dissenting voices among "Moderate" Muslims that can put them down. If fear though, that it's too late for moderation as their plots have been discovered and now we know who and what to look for. We will not be be fooled again.

I will repeat my previous request: if you prefer to live in a state-religious sytem, such as the one they have in Saudi Arabia, or Iran, feel free to go there, and ------ don't slam the door on the way out. Good riddance!

Posted by: epg at February 24, 2004 12:41 PM

DC - you have my support!

jihan

Posted by: jihan at February 24, 2004 12:47 PM

dc your are a islamaphobe....

getting a little angry there are yeah

our "freedom" cannot be put on hold because we are
at war.. do you actually think that those freedom's would return after this "war" is over

and how long is this war gonna take again?

Posted by: joseph at February 24, 2004 1:02 PM

The war will take as long as necessary. Freedom goes with responsibility. Those that aren't or can't be responsible must have their freedoms involuntarily curtailed. Those that are responsible will understand the limitations. "Loose links sink ships." was a way to remind the responsible that they needed to be careful with their speech during war with the implied warning that those that did not would be severely punished.

There are no freedoms being taken from us because of the war. If you are irresponsible enough to put this nation in danger because you want to say and do anything you like because of "freedom," you will find yourself subjected to involuntary restriction. Are you that irresponsible?

Perhaps you don't have enough experience with freedom to know its true nature, or perhaps your definiton of freedom isn't freedom to (do or be something), but rather freedom from (from an influence). It's hard to explain unless we use same definition of the word freedom.

Posted by: epg at February 24, 2004 1:25 PM

During every war there are rights that we citizens need to give up for some time. Take WWI for example. We were not even allowed to speak against the US. If you did you would have been thrown in jail. Read the history books. And who's to say that the few freedoms that have been taken will not be returned. They have been in the past.

Posted by: bartb at February 24, 2004 2:28 PM

Joey, your comments once again succeed in falling under the "clueless" category..

You said I am Islamaphobe, because I want to ask the great pillars of society at CAIR why they haven't done anything to fight terrorism?

Like Wild Hare said, you are an idiot. You're here to irritate, and annoy....Guess what.....we answer you because you've become a cheap form of entertainment to the majority here.

Your comments are laughable at best. A liberal athiest is in our midst.....Hey Joseph, ever watch All in the family? Mike, Archie's son-in-law was an anthiest too.....What was it Archie called him?......oh ya......Meathead...

Keep it coming though, you are the best joke on Jihad Watch.....by the way-Phobe, as in Islamaphobe would mean that I fear Muslims......Now dumbshit, after all I've posted, don't you know that I'd like to throw them a beatdown? No fear here, and no tolerance for their overbearing rhetorical verbal trash..

Like I've told you, rub your little Genie lamp, summon your flying carpet, and go to the land of camels, sand, and dictatorships....

D.C.

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 24, 2004 3:01 PM

my name is not joey

you are getting very hostile?

I am a athiest and I enjoy living in a country that
does not endorse religious persecution but when I see this hostility that comes from the posts on this forum towards the people of the middle east and muslims as a whole its very disturbing. I do not support terrorism nor do I support racial or religious bias from either side. It just happens this forums bias is anti muslim and anti middle east.

Posted by: joseph at February 24, 2004 3:32 PM

First of all, let me go on record as stating I'm nOT an islamophobe, for that would indicate and unreasonable fear of islam, and I'm not afraid. However, joseph, I am most decidedly anti-islam, and I make no bones about it. I'm anti-islam because for years now I've been hearing all this talk about how "islam means peace" etc., ad nauseum. But call me kooky, I simply can't seem to find much in the way of "moderate islam" anywhere, nor do I see the "moderate muslims" in the US rising up to denounce morons like CAIR, et al.

As to Zawahiri's tapes, I'm wondering what he thinks we "envy" about islam? The unbelievable squalor that most islamic countries devolve into? Having to use donkey turds for energy and heat? The thought of being beheaded if I happen to disagree with the fundamentalist hypocrites that run those countries? Not seeing my wife until I marry her, and finding out that she looks better in that burqa? I could go on and on, but you get the idea.

To return to my first paragraph, I'm anti-islam because, GWB's statements notwithstanding, I believe that there can never be an islamic democracy in the truest sense of the word. There can only be different shades of autocratic theocracy, and living under that sort of rule would make me wanna blow myself up to.

Posted by: Doug at February 24, 2004 3:53 PM

"too" even!

Posted by: Doug at February 24, 2004 3:54 PM

Very well put, Doug

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 24, 2004 4:01 PM

Hostile.....no......like I said Joeyseph....you are laughable.....Didn't 9-11-01 affect you in any way? Are you a heartless bastard? Don't be a jerk. You want us to kiss the sand ridden ass cracks of the pigs that murdered our American brothers and sisters?

You sit there and type your assinine remarks, and expect all of us to accept them? not happening. Like I said, you've become a joke here......you can't change our opinions, you're not intelligent enough.....Therefore, if you don't like what we're saying, then go ahead and seek your entertainment elsewhere....piss ant....

Honestly, your remarks and constant badgering don't appear to be anything a good old fashioned ass whipping wouldn't cure.....on the other hand, I don't think I could stop laughing long enough....You must be shackin' up with a Muslim or something?

Don't hate the player, hate the game......boy

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 24, 2004 4:13 PM

I agree 100 percent 100 percent that CAIR is a group that only makes excuses for radical islamist. And I believe they speak out of both sides of their mouths. When speaking to Americans in english they talk of persecution of muslims and the and people being Islamaphobe's but in Arabic they talk of the Evil Jews or their brethren in Palestine. Look Muslim's can not even get along with any other religon unless they are forced like they are here. The threat is real, and here and people should wake up.

Posted by: Tony Moye at February 24, 2004 4:14 PM

hahah.. Joey is taking a beating today... man, that cracks me up. He's a troll... gaze on my friends..

Posted by: Wild Hare at February 24, 2004 6:27 PM

Joseph is apparently a European. He lives in a western nation, certainly not the middle east, where athiesm is not only discouraged, but often a punishable offense. He enjoys rights and protections only a western nation would provide. He is smugly self-satisfied. Of course, he is fibbing a bit, about his tolerant homeland. Europe is in the grips of one of the most fervent bouts of anti-semitism since Hitler was running the continent. And Joseph probably has many opportunities to study Islam, thanks to his rapidly growing, soon-to-be-the-majority North African Muslim population. Of course, they take a dim view of athiests... Please Joseph, do continue to lecture us Americans about your enlightened tolerance. It is quite illuminating. And good luck in Europe in 20 years, my friend.

Posted by: basil at February 24, 2004 6:33 PM

maybe joseph has a point, ppl. its not the religion, its extremists that warp the religion and perpetrate acts of violence against our great country. also, CAIR is a f*ucking dumb organization that has lots of problems, dont pay attention to them. they do not represent muslims in america. its unforetuante, that the rest of society should be exposed to them and thier useless blabber.

Posted by: bedoe at February 24, 2004 7:31 PM

their, srry for the misspelled word there

Posted by: bedoe at February 24, 2004 8:44 PM

Bedoe,

Unfortunately, the "moderate" US Muslims DO let CAIR represent them.

As far as the extremists are concerned, they are following the Qur'an. THey follow the Qur'an even when it does not make any kind of common sense. An example: Islam permits marriage between first cousins. Saudi Arabia publically announced that they have a 25 - 30% rate of birth defects. In some areas, 30% of the population is carrying genetic blood diseases, primarily sickle cell anemia and thallasemia. But even the Western educated Saudis are permitting their children to marry cousins. Inshallah.

jay

Posted by: Jay Stevens at February 24, 2004 9:17 PM

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Al-Queda threat that preceded this one...It was late December, I believe, when Al-Queda vowed it would "destroy New York" by February 2nd, 2004. Never happened. The more they bluster and threaten, and the more they fail to deliver, the more discredited they become. It was Bin Laden himself who said, "People will go with the winning horse..." He's starting to look like the losing jackass...

Posted by: John LeBlanc at February 24, 2004 9:48 PM

If you racist haters would simply embrace Islam, the world could live in peace.

Saalam

Posted by: Abdul at February 24, 2004 11:22 PM

"Embrace me, my sweet embraceable you! Embrace me, you irreplaceable you!" Embrace means love not hate. Embrace Islam and find peace? I find a contradiction when one compares Islam and peace when I have seen nothing in Islam that demonstrates even the slightest modicom of peace.

Islam means submission, not peace. Submission brings to mind the boot on one's neck because in order to demonstrate submission, even to God, one must submit to man. Thus we see the spectacle of the thought and purity police burning books and school girls, whipping women through the streets because they aren't in seclusion or want to be educated, prisons bursting with men, women and children whose only "crime" is that they can't conform to the ideals of Islam.

There is nothing in the earthly expression that I see that would make me even consider embracing Islam. The thought is thoroughy chilling.

Posted by: epg at February 25, 2004 12:23 AM

I do not intend to assume the arbitrator role on this board,but i couldn`t stop noticing a disturbing pattern that is developing here. 1."bedoe" is telling us not to pay attention to CAER,he is intentionally minimalizing the role of this criminal organization...I say,PAY A VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO CAER AND TO EVERYTHING ELSE RELATED TO ISLAM IN AMERICA.
DO NOT LET YOUR GUARD DOWN,by listening to people like "bedoe",they are just trying to distract your attention away from important issues.(please excuse the caps).
2.Joseph may sound like an idiot,but an idiot he is not.He seems to be a very dangerous individual,may be part of a 5-th islamic column in a western country ,or here in the US.
What he is doing here,is also called a tactic of distraction...he is trying to focus your attention on him as a person,and away from the real issues,which is the danger of ISLAM and ways to eradicate it.
After he posts,almost all the following posts are adressing him,personally,rather than stay focused on the main issue which is ISLAMIC JIHAD.
3."Wild hare" and a few others are wrong when they tend to minimalize the muslim rethorics and the fact that lately,these rethorics have only been empty threats...America should not let its guard down,these threats should be taken very seriously,the fact that we have not been attacked lately it doesn1t mean we won`t be attacked in the future...unfortunately it is almost sure they will attack again.
We should look at this just as the calm before the storm.
4.Most of the posters here,say that they are not islamophobes,for phobia means fear,and they are not afraid of ISLAM....big mistake!!!
I have to admit I AM VERY MUCH AFRAID OF ISLAM,AND SO SHOULD WE ALL BE,otherwise we will again be inclined to disregard,ignore or minimalize the deadly threat that ISLAM is to our civilized society.
5.The most significant post here,was the one posted by "abdul".Acording to him ,peace on earth depends on one thing and one thing only,which is universal conversion to ISLAM.
This is want they want and this is what they are trying to achieve allover the world,by deception,super proliferative demographics,intimidation,and murder.
I suggest to the posters on this board the followings:
Ignore "Joseph",do not direct your posts to him personally,stay focused on the matter at hand.
Remember one thing,which is very important and will eventually be the deciding factor in this war:our only power as individuals,is our VOTE.
We cannot act as vigilantes,for nobody wants to end up in jail...but we can make our voices heard by our politicians.
And the dearest thing to any politician ,is called VOTES.
Write to your elected official and let your opinion be known.
Send e-mails.
Start with your local offices and go up to the top,let our president know that our support and our votes will go to the candidate which has the courage to fight and eradicate ISLAM.
God bless America.

Posted by: adela at February 25, 2004 12:35 AM

well, after that very long comment, i feel it is my duty to respond in a peaceful manner. i question you on one issue here. what about the christian groups that exhibit the same actions?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A1196-2003Jun1?language=printer

are they tolerated in christianity? just because they are a minority in the vast population of christians, does that automatically make them the default representatives of the religion? no. same thing here. just becuase a mislead group of radicals feel neccessary to take violent actions against westerners does not mean that they represent the vast majority of muslims elsewhere in the world. my point in this case is that you cannot take radical groups to be the belief of everyone in the group. as ive said before, its a shame there are radical groups, allbeit more abundant than other religions, that distort the teachings of many prophets and Muhammed, pbuh. please, i am not trying to attack anyones beliefs in my comments, i and trying to enlighten those who do not understand, becuase there are always two sides to every story.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 3:18 AM

Bedoe, I don't know, and maybe you do. Why are moderate Muslims standing by and letting the radicals do their deeds? I know that Muslims are extremely proud people. So why on earth, if they want to have a good name, and good reputation worldwide, are they allowing the radical portion of the religion continue with their actions?

I would think that Muslims would be wiping terrorism out themselves. Unless of course, they don't seem to be bothered by it. That's why the comments are made on this site, because we see what's in front of us. When we read about Islam, we don't read about peace. We read about death. No matter that any Muslim trys to say or smooth over, we see what we see, and it is what it is.

We see a religion of over a billion people sitting on their asses while the extremists are wanting world domination, and are killing innocents in a feeble attempt to achieve their goals.

You and I do agree on one thing, and that's the remark you made about CAIR. They need to be shut down, and in a hurry. Why is it that a "Muslim Civil Rights Organization" in our country, is printing articles about "Hidden Israeli Terrorism" on their website? Perhaps they should worry more about correct math calculations and the correct spelling of words on their site, instead of spreading bullshit to the under-educated portion of Muslims that listen to them.

They are a band of racist, American hating puckered up assholes, supported by people like Prince Joeyseph. They are being watched by not only people like ACAIR, but also our Government, and us as well. Their constantly running mouths and racist actions will be their downfall. And, since some of their affiliates/associates have been convicted of terrorist support, they need to be discarded from the United States, or shot. I can only speak for myself, but I am American born, and I refuse to let any god damned Muslim organization or faction get over on my country.

I'm not politically correct, because I'd rather be honest. If Muslims want to live here and be a part of our society, they need to drop their arrogant, stiff necked horseshit attitudes, stop slapping their women around, and start acting like they have some sense. Especially the Somalian population, not all, but most of whom have the social graces of a baboon.

This "we can do no wrong" attitude of many Muslims needs to cease. Many in Ohio have already taken ass whippings for it, so before it escalates, Muslim leaders need to sit them down and educate them on how to conduct themselves. Somalians have not only pissed off the white populatuion, but they've made the mistake of pissing off the African-American population as well. Dumb move.

Nobody steps on our feet. If Islam wants to find out what happens when the White and African-American populations hook up to battle a common enemy, let the Somalis keep doing what they're doing. It's coming, sadly, it's coming.

D.C. Watson Ohio USA

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 8:32 AM

Bedoe,

The "Christian" terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph cannot use the Bible to support his views or his terrorist activities.

I have examined parts of the Koran and it seems to me that if you interpret the Koran in a straightforward way without any dissembling or shifting, it emphatically supports Islamic terrorism against the West. Therefore I believe Osama Bin Laden is a mainstream Muslim, whereas moderate Muslims are deviants/renegades.

Posted by: Phil at February 25, 2004 9:15 AM

Bedoe,

Several differences between the Islamic terrorism going on worldwide and a single, disavowed representative of a rabid Christian group:

First, the scale of operations. Islamic terrorism is transnational with many operating groups. The scale of operations is large enough that it must be treated as a political problem.

Second: the Islamic terrorism has been state supported: one example, consider all the terrorist camps in the Bekaa Valley. That region of Lebanon is nominally under Syrian control. The FBI and local law enforcement agencies are actively hunting down (admittedly with sometimes laughable or tragic results) our religiously and racially inspired terror groups.

Third: the Qur'an codifies death and violence. The New Testament changes the Bible into a "kinder and more gentle" book.

Fourth: the Qur'an, unlike the Bible preaches world domination.

I'll let someone else do Fifth onward. The above is enough for the general idea.

jay

Posted by: Jay Stevens at February 25, 2004 9:24 AM

If you racist haters would simply embrace Islam, the world could live in peace.

Saalam


Go to hell, Abdul

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 9:36 AM

First of all, Mr Watson I support you 100%. If and when the time comes you can call on me and I will be there. By the way I am also from the great state of Ohio.
Then I was reading the posts and came to Abdul, about embracing Islam, I had to stop and go Throw up it was that repulsive of a thought. We Americans have been silent too long and Sept 11th was the awakening of the sleeping giant once again. Islam, beware until you have come across a pissed off big ole boy from Alabama you might want to get the Hell out of America and go back to the Desert. We will not stand by while our brave men and woman are being killed and talk a bout embracing Islam. REMEMBER WE ARE AT WAR!!!! I have two sons serving in the U.S Military and I am anti Muslim and will continue to be anti Muslim because it is the right thing to be. As everybody else has said, why are the Moderate Musliims not crushing there so called brothers and sisters that are committing these horrible acts? Is it that they may actually be supportive of this? We will never know BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING!!!!!!

Posted by: Scott at February 25, 2004 10:24 AM

Scott.....you're a good man, and agood American. Thank you.

D.C.

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 10:36 AM

You blowhards are whistling in the graveyard. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in this world, all of whom love death more than you love life. The greatest thing that can be granted a Muslim is that he be permitted to become a shaheed, giving his life while destroying Zionists, Crusaders, and Polytheists. Allah is indeed merciful and compassionate; you may live if you embrace Islam and live as Allah has ordained. If you choose to fight against Allah and his believers, you will spend eternity in Hell. The jihad will not cease until all the peoples of the world embrace Islam.

Posted by: Reza at February 25, 2004 11:00 AM

okay, that last comment was scary, and thats what im afraid of, seriously. the US may have the strongest military by far the world has ever seen, but how does a force stop 1 billion + people bent on death? it cant, in my opinion. i say this because if the US make the fatal move on Saudi Arabia, and decides to attack the holy cities of Mecca and Madina, it is then that we will have a justified jihad in which all members of the religion can heed to the call to arms, but not a moment before. i keep hearing this thing that why dont moderate muslims stop terrorists. we cant. its that simple. does anyone realize that in order to kill people, your beliefs must be steadfast and your emotions and thought ice cold? it is impossible to change the mind of someone devoted to an idea, especially when it is religion. they have to be willing to embrace the true Islam, not this "death" Islam before we can do anything. im sorry, but that is the truth. and by then way, in many places in Africa, religions tend to become warped because the local people integrate the religion into the pre-existing customs, in which case the final result is not islam. by any stretch of the imagination. and one other thing, customs and the religion should be considered separate. women are actually supposed to be treated fairly and respected. they are not considered equals, yes, but they have many of the same rights as men. however, when u mixed the religion with a culture that was their first, there are some interesting results, one of which is this image of a husband controlling his wife. not so. only in saudi arabia and, will you see this, which is not true. it is not even mandatory for muslim women to cover! that is a choice made by the women. almost nothing is compulsory in Islam. peace be upon you all, no pun intended.

one other thing, Abdul is a moron, and its ppl like that that give Islam a bad name.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 12:07 PM

srry, i didnt mean compulsory. i meant it is not an obligation for women to cover, srry bout that.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 12:10 PM

The comments give a good example of the truth about Islam. Bedoe is the apologist, denying the truth that Islam is an aggressive abberation. Reza is the jihadi, ready to kill and die for his totalitarian ideals. Reza would be just as glad to kill Bedoe as he would Americans. For this reason I believe Islam is doomed. It is essentially nihilistic, and the extremists will turn on the Bedoe/apologist faction as soon as possible.

Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 12:17 PM

Reza, blow this......Islam wants to duke it out.....bring it......all we hear is talk.......time to walk the walk....Allah/ and the drunken prophet Mohammed........shut up and let's throw.....

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 12:19 PM

You aren't warriors.....you are chicken shit bushwhackers.....

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 12:21 PM

Reza.....one more thing....education is the most powerful tool we will use. Since you aren't here in person for me to bash your brains in with a ball bat......I'll use my connections with the media and simply educate my American brothers and sisters on Islam's true agenda.....

Educated with facts, not fiction. Are you by chance related to some punk ass named Joseph?

Bring your Jihad.....we fear you not....


D.C. Watson

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 12:25 PM

Reza is a typical jihadi, long on talk and short on brains. What countries have the jihad won? Iran, which is a hellhole. Which counties have they lost? Afghanistan, leaving aside the question of Iraq. They can't even knock off Israel. Someone should also tell Reza that 1.5 billion is a global minority, and bomb belts lose to tanks and missiles every time. The world isn't interested in joining the jihad, it is too busy being successful while Reza and his ilk rot in Saudi, Morocco, and Algeria. Hardly superpowers. So take your best shot Reza. You aren't afraid to die, and we are not afraid to help you.

Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 12:38 PM

Actually it's about 1.1 or 1.2 billion.....with just a small minority of bloody baloon knots running around in their nightgowns with their little bombs attached....

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 12:40 PM

Hey Reza, since you're such a brave Jihadi knight, where do you live.....I'm sure our G-men would love to have a chat with you. Toss us your address...tough guy

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 12:43 PM

Methinks reza is, first of all, not a muslim. Second of all, if reza is a muslim, and believes islam has a snowball's chance in hell of actually becoming the sociopolitical ideology of the world, I'd ask reza to call his doctor and schedule a CAT scan.

Do I believe there will be more bloodletting, both here and the rest of the world? Yep. Will it do anything other than finally convince the multiculturist morons that "hey, maybe this islam thing ain't so peaceful after all"? Nope.

With every atrocity, islam is actually weakened. Think about that reza, and know that I, along with billions of people around the world, have no intention of ever bowing my knee to an islamic god.

Posted by: Doug at February 25, 2004 1:05 PM

I know how we destroy 1 billion +islamists bent on death. One at a time.
Hey, to start a knew topic. I am pleased to see how concerned Bush is with the Haiti problem. A country like Haiti looks like the perfect place for radical islamists to take hold and thrive. The location would also be significant to them because it is so close to the US. The US should settle things down there and help them figure out a government that works.

Posted by: bartb at February 25, 2004 1:06 PM

just to comment on basil's comment, even if it is only 1.2 billion, how will one country's, possible two if the brittish join in, attack 1.2 billion ppl? nucs and bio weapons arent allowed, so it good old fashioned bombs and guns. so the american have the technological advantage, but let me remind you the last time this happen, the muslims were outnumbered and were not as advanced, and we still won. starting a war with islam will aslo do more than piss off 1.2 billion ppl, and im sure most of the old world europe wouldnt hesitate to join the other side. then it becomes uneven and the sh*t hits the fan for both sides.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 1:08 PM

doug, you wont ever have to, unless america atacks first. right-wing extremists will never be able to conquer the world, and it is true that with ever attack they do, the credibility of Islam weakens in the public eye, but that is all. islam is a peaceful religion, like all others, but apparently Al-Queda and Osama didnt get that part of the revelation. sucks to be them.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 1:13 PM

Since Islam has waged war with the Hindus, and Buddhists, along with Christians and Jews, I like our chances....Too bad it can't be settled in the octagon......Very few Muslims can survive in hand to hand.

IE-they can't throw down. And by the way......If nukes are necessary, and this is a fight.....no rules.....fight to win.....at any cost......but again, the chatter we hear is just that.......chatter....

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 1:16 PM

aight DC, u can have ure fun. dream about the upcoming war if you like, but if it ever happens, god forbid, then i can assure you that ure mind will change very quickly about the situation.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 1:24 PM

this is so much fun. hehe. im sorry ppl, i dont want to avoid the gravity of this conversation, but i just love to debate. i am curious tho, and be honest here people, does anyone actually hate me for my comments here? im curious. am i hated, even though no one has actually met me or seen me?

on a side note, DCwatson, are u living in Washington, DC? cause if you are, you may have seen me....

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 1:32 PM

I WALK WITH JESUS.....OR WHAT IS HE TO U? ESA? ANYWAY....I FEAR NOTHING ON 2 OR 4 FEET.....SO BEDOE, OUR RESPONSES STARTED OFF PEACEFULLY ENOUGH, AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND.....THE FUCKING SHIT THAT HAPPENED TO US ON 9-11-01 STAYS FRESH ON OUR MINDS.....AIGHT....HOMES?

ISLAM BETTER FIND ANOTHER ROPE TO TAKE A PISS ON....TELL US NOW BEDOE.......ARE YOU FRIEND? OR FOE?

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 1:32 PM

I bet ten bucks to a doughnut that the big war that will come before the end of time will be a the war between islam and the rest of us. But what I want to know is where in the Bible the role of the US is talked about?? I am assuming that we will be on Isreal's side. What is it I think it says that 3/4 of the world's population will die. If the world's population will be about 7 billion at that time then the islamist side will be wiped out and we will sustain a loss of about 4.05 billion. Big loss of life but well worth the effort if you ask me.

Posted by: bartb at February 25, 2004 1:34 PM

DCwatson, are u living in Washington, DC? cause if you are, you may have seen me....

Where? post office wall?

Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 1:36 PM

bedoe,

I don't hate you, but I think you are intellectually dishonest. And who told you nukes are not allowed? There are no referees in war, and we have already nuked one country that we thought was a serious threat. If it ever looked like we were in serious danger, the publicity war would stop and the real war would start. I assure you, nukes are on the table.

Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 1:53 PM

haha, dc ure a funny man. actually, jesus, isa, wutever u want to call him, was a prophet as well. we believe in him also. and please, keep in mind i am in no way trying to do a disservice to those who gave thier live in the attaks on 9-11. we should all honor the brave men who died trying to save others. and i agree that those who attacked should be dealt with, maybe not with the severity that other would suggest, but dealt with nontheless. i am not a friend, and i am not a foe. when the time comes, i will make my decision based on what i feel are the pressing issues and what has done what. i know most of you will hate this, but im in the middle right now, i dont agree with american policies to an extend, and i dont agree with the radicals policies as well.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 1:55 PM

well im off, gotta take a break for classes. see you all later.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 2:09 PM

Alright Bedoe, I'm in a bad mood......so I'll just finish with this....Middle Easterners who migrate here, or people of Middle Eastern descent that were born here need to understand one thing.

If you don't like how America is run, or our policies, you are free to leave if you like. Running the middle of the fence is the weakest position to take......wishy washy. America will not bow to Islam, or to any other religion or cult. We fought for independence, and have fought to maintain it.

No crazies are going to overrun this land. America has its share of insane residents in their own right. Radical Islam is not frightening, it's a chatterbox pain in the ass. However, if they want to bring the gee-hawd to us....stop singin' and start bringin'

Like you said....God forbid a war ever breaks out....but radical Islam's standard M.O. of intimidation isn't working on us.....Nobody wants a war......Except radical Islam......they will either be brought under control, or taken off the planet. I don't believe all Muslims want to join a Jihad either....I know a few.....and they have enough intelligence to know that one, they live damn well here.....and two, Jihad = a loss, and the end of their life.


Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 2:22 PM

bedoe, you seem to have an inflated sense of your own importance. We don't care whose side you are on, and we don't need you to protect us. We can do that ourselves. Rather, you should worry about what action America will take if you end up on the wrong side. Have fun in class.

Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 2:26 PM

okay DC, thank you. i know that middle of the fence is a crappy position, but thats where i am. i support america like 95%, but i am not complaining about the things i dont like, as i know there is no such thing as a perfect system in practice. we have never asked america to bow to Islam, and i never will, only some brainwashed cult groups. i cant really help the fact that i am middle of the fence, but maybe someday i can make my position firm by the actions of either side. by my nature, i am the guy who trys to midigate things, not inflame them, so i have no real position.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 2:29 PM

and to basil, i believe that DC was directing that question to me, if he wasnt, well then i misinterpreted it. and as it is now, im late for class, so its my last msg for a while.

Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 2:30 PM

Some are saying that if we destroyed Mecca,the whole muslim world would be very pissed.
I say,they are out there to destroy us,no matter what.
So,why even care what they think?!
The real problem though, is the fact that ,just as reza said,there are millions of muslims in all western countries...cannot use any kind of bombs against the ones amongst us.
God bless America.

Posted by: adela at February 25, 2004 7:39 PM

Death to Islamic Fascists and Tyrants everywhere! After all, it's the most natural thing in the world that Democracies will eventually clash with (and crush) tyrannies, WMD's be damned!

Posted by: Johnny Rotten at February 25, 2004 10:27 PM

I was wondering when Nuclear weapons would be mentioned. I say They got the Sand so let's apply the heat and make glass!!! About 80 megatons would do nicely in about what maybe a dozen different locations at once. Bring it on Allah and we will show you the Light!!! And do not think the U.S will not use it's Nuclear arsenal. The 2nd most powerful country in the World is a U.S Nuclear Ballistic submarine! Aint it Great!!!!! It's good to be the king!!!

Posted by: Scott at February 26, 2004 8:03 AM

I wonder why Robert Spencer is so quick to accept the idea that Sadaam ran training camps for jihadists and that there were(unnamed) "numerous links between his regime and the 9/11 highjackers." He cites two Muslim sources for this information but doesn't question their credibility. Isn't it likely that they only said what they wanted their listeners to hear, and were probably paid to say it? Did any Westerner see the "jihadist training camps"? Instead of (perhaps unwittingly) acting as a partisan defender of Bush Administration aggression, Spencer should set aside his vendetta against Islamists long enough to apply professional journalistic standards to his "reporting."

Posted by: John Herling at February 29, 2004 11:33 PM

Dear Mr. Herling,

Here is the sum total of my comments on this AP article: "Al-Qaeda is still full of threats and murder — oh, and they're not too happy about France and that headscarf thing, either."

Pardon me if I fail to see where you are getting from that sentence all the conclusions you drew. Perhaps you are the one who needs to set aside a vendetta.

Cordially,
RS

Posted by: Robert Spencer at March 1, 2004 9:28 AM

Robert gets the "duke" on that short tiff.....Was that John Kerry's campaign manager?

Posted by: D.C. Watson at March 3, 2004 10:20 PM

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