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So said British Home Secretary David Blunkett, who also had some choice words for opponents of anti-terror measures. From the Australian, with thanks to Nicolei:
A TERRORIST attack in Britain was inevitable, British Home Secretary David Blunkett said.Security measures alone were not sufficient to stop the threat, he said. Asked if such an attack was a question of "when, not if", Blunkett told BBC television: "Yes, it's the view that's been expressed by the head of the (home) security service", Eliza Manningham-Buller.
Blunkett said that a suicide attack was "the most likely" scenario in Britain, which has been a staunch supporter of the US in its so-called war on terror.
Blunkett told the BBC that Prime Minister Tony Blair "and I have confirmed that whatever we do - and we are doing everything we can - we can't guarantee and nor should we pretend to that we can protect ourselves forever by security alone.
"But we can do a damn good job if we enable the security services to be able to apprehend people before rather than after they have committed the act," Blunkett said, adding: "In this country the threat is extremely real."
His comments came the day before he was due to publish a controversial paper setting out possible options for introducing tough new counter-terrorism laws in Britain.
The proposed measures were expected to feature radical proposals such as lowering the standard of proof in terrorist-linked court cases and introducing secret trials heard by security-vetted judges.
The plans have been fiercely criticised by human rights campaigners.
But Blunkett argued that Britain now faced a threat different from that of attacks carried out by Northern Ireland paramilitary groups during decades of violence in the British-ruled province.
"Whatever they (such groups) did, and it was horrendous, they actually always tried to save their own lives."
But they were not "as terrorism is from Al-Qaeda and the network around it, geared up to suicide bombers who can take our lives at any time in ways that we never perceived before.
"So prevention rather than simply prosecution and punishment have to be the way forward. Because prosecution and punishment to a terrorist who is prepared to take his or her own life as well as everyone else's is a meaningless concept."
Blunkett said that the document he was to unveil today "explains more of how al-Qaeda cells organise and operate".
"Without this information, we cannot have an informed debate about how to balance our security with our rights," he said in an interview with Britain's domestic Press Association.
Blunkett called for a debate to produce solutions to the international terrorist threat, a step he admitted risked attracting the derision of his political opponents.
"I am fed up with what little debate we have in this country being dictated by the campaigners and lawyers who only say how rights are being damaged rather than come up with some solutions. In short, I want answers and ideas, not just brickbats."
Blunkett added: "I live with constant, never-ending worry day and night about the threat we face and whether we are doing everything we can to make this country as safe as possible."
The Home Secretary was also expected to unveil details of a 50-per-cent expansion of Britain's home security service, known as MI5, which is to hire 1000 new staff to counter the threat of terrorism.
Posted by Robert at February 25, 2004 9:04 AM
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This headline is the best response to the Josephs who bury their head in the sand. "We are not Americans" they say. "We respect Muslims." It does not enter their minds that the respect is not mutual, and that the respect they offer will be used to attack their "tolerant" European societies, which to the Islamists look ripe to fall.
And not only England, you can count on attacks in virtually all the European nations. One wonders if even this will be enough to wake Europeans to the threat, or whether they will sip wine on the banks of the Seine, until wine and tolerance are outlawed. Its called sharia, you see, Joseph. No drinking, and no atheism allowed any more. Oh, and don't forget to veil your daughters.
like i said in my other comment section, one is not obligated to wear a veil, it is ones choice.
Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 12:09 PMThe comments in the article from yesterday give a good example of the truth about Islam. Bedoe is the apologist, denying the truth that Islam is an aggressive abberation. Reza is the jihadi, ready to kill and die for his totalitarian ideals. Reza would be just as glad to kill Bedoe as he would Americans. For this reason I believe Islam is doomed. It is essentially nihilistic, and the extremists will turn on the Bedoe/apologist faction as soon as possible.
Islam itself creates nothing, it stifles dissent, innovation, and free thought. It treats women and minorities inequally. It is one of the root reasons that Islamic countries fall behind non-Islamic countries economically. A system which keeps its adherents in the bronze age cannot compete. The only reason these systems have not collapsed entirely is due to the immense wealth oil has provided them. Oil, however, is a non-renewable resource and the writing is on the wall for Islamic states.
Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 12:22 PMOne is not obligated to wear the veil? Tell it to a woman in Saudi Arabia, bedoe. You do make the most ridiculous statements.
Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 12:40 PMi would love to tell them that, cept they all already know that basil. in case you were wondering, saudi arabia is a theocracy, run by religion. the kings have decided to make it law that all women should at least wear an abaya (this law is for the foreigners there). the locals take it one step further, for fear of the religious police, they wear a scarf. if u ever bothered to go and meet people inside their homes, you would notice that the majority remove their headscarfs and abayas and wear normal western clothing. yes, some do choose to continue to wear the scarf, as they have CHOSEN to do so, and for no other reason. i have been there, however, i have no clue about yourself, but it seems like you never want to set foot there and would have no reason to enter a saudi's house. which, by the way,you probably would see the scarfs out of respect and being polite around a foreigner.
Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 12:56 PMVery good bedoe. Saudi Arabia is a theocracy (Islamic). Women are required to wear the veil, enforced by religious police. The law is not for foreigners. We don't require our women to wear the veil, you see. Or perhaps the Taliban enforced the rule because of their respect for foreigners? And the fatwa against women driving was because it is "unislamic", not because foreigners don't like women drivers. We actually let our women drive you see. So don't tell me its freedom of choice, when the religious (thought) police enforce it. Even you won't pretend that a woman can walk around uncovered (free) in Saudi. That's the true (veiled) face of Islam.
Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 1:17 PMactually, i have seen uncovered women in saudi arabia. nothing has happened to them. and like i said before, personal choice is different from governmnet enfored laws.
Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 1:20 PMTo put it simply bedoe, choices are not enforced by religious police. Islamic law is.
Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 1:24 PMfine, which brings me to the other point made, the culture and the government are different from the religion. i have said that before.
Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 1:25 PMSee, here's my problem: I'm a busy man, with lots to do, and I'm a family man with small kids also. Because of that, I just don't have the time to try to sort out which muslim is peaceful and which is an islamist. Bedoe, you can try as hard as you may to convince me that islam in general is peaceful, but that dog will not hunt with me. Are individual muslims peaceful? Certainly. But other than the Sufis--who are, by the way, hated by the major strains of islam--the other main branches of islam seem to me to be expansionist, totalitarian, and unable/unwilling to abide other religions being given equal stature. Saudi Arabia is a hellhole for anyone who wants to practice anything other than Salafism; everyone knows that. The only thing keeping Turkey moderately moderate is the secular-minded military.
Because I live in a free--semi-free in any case--country, I am allowed to hold unpopular opinions. Well, here's one of 'em, which causes "we are the world" types no end of hyperventilation: I think 100% of muslims in the US are composed of two groups:
1) Islamists, who are here to undermine our way of life and seek to eventually impose barbaric sharia law.
2) "Bad" muslims, who have decided to ignore those parts of the Koran/Hadiths that tell them not to dwell for long in non-muslim lands and not to take infidels as friends.
In any case, while I'm quite sure those in the second group pose no danger to the rest of us, unless/until islamism is eradicated, I will view all muslims with suspicion, and yes, I'm okay with that. If that perturbs the more enlightened cultural relativists among us, that's a bonus.
Posted by: Doug at February 25, 2004 1:35 PMIn the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate
Every day we are getting stronger and the Kufr is geating weaker. Islam is by far the fastest growing religion in the West, including America. Resistance to the truth is simply stupidity.
Embrace Islam, submit to the will of almighty Allah, and the world will live in peace.
Allah (puke be upon him), is not my God, and we 'kufrs' are becoming anything but weak.
You are losing reza; deal with it.
Posted by: Doug at February 25, 2004 1:49 PMokay, plz ignore that person doug, reza is trying to provoke you and others.
fine, ure entitled to your opinion. feel free to believe it, however off-target it may be, it's ure perogative. but just to be clear, sufi's follow the teachings of Ali, whom they felt should have been a Caliph, and some say the last prophet, which is a no-can-do. same goes for the shiites. that actual branch of islam that is the largest and, in my opinion, correct, is the sunni "branch". altho, please doug, be respectful, as we do not bash the holy trinity or god in these comments.
Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 2:03 PM Reza you sound like the snake in the garden of eden. Are you trying to seduce us into converting to islam? The fact is reza islam may be the fastest growing religion worldwide but that is only comparing it to its numbers already.
This jihad stuff is not helping your case either. I am predicting a drop off in conversion.
fastest growing religion in the west? got any links to back that up? go back to memorizing the koran, reza. The facts are not on your side.
Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 2:14 PMYou do not understand.
1. There is only one Islam. There are apostate sects, but they are kufr.
2. It is not possible for Islam to "lose". Even you must see that Western "civilization" is weak, decadent, and crumbling before your eyes. The Jihad will never end until the entire world is Dar al Islam and the Kalifa rules. If necessary, millions of the faithful would swim the oceans and attack with sharp sticks to fight the unbelievers. There can be only one outcome to the struggle that has been entrusted to us by Allah.
Embrace Islam, submit to the will of Allah, and let peace reign in the world.
Bedoe, you may not "bash" the Holy Trinity overtly, but by being an apologist for autocractic theocracies that will not allow Christians to practice their religion freely, your comments are just as offensive.
Let me ask you this: Is it acceptable for a Christian to proselytize Muslims? If not, why not? And if a Christian successfully convinces the muslim to accept Christ as Savior and renounce islam, is that alright with you? What I mean to say is, while you may think the ex-muslim misled, you also believe that it is up to each person to decide what he/she believes about God, even if it means muslims leave islam?
If it is offensive to you for Christians to preach to muslims, why shouldn't it be offensive to me for muslims to preach to Christians?
Posted by: Doug at February 25, 2004 2:15 PMCareful with that sharp stick. You will poke your eye out, nitwit.
Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 2:16 PMOkay, I'll embrace islam....tightly enough to squeeze it's throat until it breathes no more.
Posted by: Doug at February 25, 2004 2:17 PMtell me how you plan to swim the ocean. by the time you got across your sharp stick would be rotten. In fact it would be as rotten as your religion. As i said before what do dogs do when their scared?? they bite. That is what the muslims are they are dogs that are afraid of being overrun. So what are they going to do?? bite, and we will put a muzzle on them.
Posted by: bartb at February 25, 2004 2:20 PMIt won't be necessary to really swim the ocean. There are millions of Muslims in your country already. And every time you marry another pair of Sodomites, or show your filthy, degenerate pornography to the world on television, thousands more people embrace Islam. Your "civilization" is finished, doing nothing now but spinning about and snapping like a mad dog in its death throes.
hmm. to doung, it is perfectly alright with me and many others. the person is trying to find their faith, and if they feel comfortable with another religion besides Islam, that is fine. a bit dissapointing to the religion, but fine. the same way it is with christians converting as well. i just ask you please do not insult our God in a direct manner. i apologize if i have offended anyone and thier gods in creating this discussion, i have tried to leave other gods out in order to keep the discussion focused on your view of Islam, not of how it compares to other religions. i do no preaching here, just clarification and defense. i am not compelling anyone to join Islam, like Reza is.
Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 2:36 PMIn muslim countries it is against the law the preach christianity,in fact it is illegal to carrie a bible.
Bedoe, you are either a liar or you are not a Muslim. If you are a Muslim, you know full well what the Holy Quran prescribes in cases of apostasy. If a Muslim rejects Islam, he must be given the opportunity to repent. If he does not sincerly repent, his punishment is death. There is not a Muslim in the world who does not know this.
okay then reza, i never talked about what happens after they convert. i talked about if they do convert. but i have no intentions of doing that.
Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 3:40 PMIt's not your choice Bedoe, and you know it. It is clear that you are no longer a Muslim, if indeed you ever were. Do not presume further to speak for the Ummah.
Reza, do not presume further to speak for bedoe, you nattering gasbag. If your words are anything, they are a wonderful example of why islam will lose. Who would want to join a joyless, robotic group of non-thinking droids, who spout nothing more than what has been drilled into them by rote, and who demand that everyone else believe as they do or die?
Here's why you are losing: There are many problems in our culture, and I freely admit that. However, the one thing evangelical Christians, atheists, secular humanists, agnostics, Jews, Hindus, gangbangers, etc., all have in common in the west is the idea of freedom. The idea that we can choose to believe and act--within the law--exactly as we see fit. That idea is about a million more times as powerful as the curdled milk you're trying to sell. You are losing and will continue to do so. Sorry if this hurts your feelings. Threaten all you want; I am not afriad.
Posted by: Doug at February 25, 2004 3:55 PMTo Bedoe and Reza:
Would it be okay for me to be an outspoken atheist or hindu, if your beliefs were dominant in the state I live in?
About the veil
(from http://www.
therevival.co.uk/islam/why_follow_only_islam.htm ):
"Hijab for women Hijab for women is mentioned in the following verse: "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons...." [Al-Qur’an 24:31] The extent of hijab for a woman is that her complete body should be covered. The only part that can be seen, are the face and the hands up to the wrists. If they wish to cover, they can even cover these parts of the body. However some Islamic scholars insist that even the face should be covered. "
Bedoe:
Teaching you the basic tenets of islam is becoming tiresome. Please, do everyone posting here a favor by doing some reading on islam- better to have everyone here assume you are an idiot, than to post here and prove it.
Fyi, the covering of women is NOT "by choice", as you have erroneously sugested. The basic islamic requirement for hijab is found in Koran 24:30. Referencing this to the shariah, Umdat al-Salik states at m2.3 both that "it is unlawful for a man to look at a woman who is not his wife" and that "a majority of scholars have been recorded as holding that it is unlawful for women to leave the house with faces unveiled...".
OK, that's today's lesson in islam.
Posted by: Earl at February 25, 2004 4:03 PMHello, Reza. You are wrong: ISLAM will soon be finshed. What you are watching now are only the death throes of a barbaric, outdated bedouin creed that will soon bite the dust. People are leaving Islam behing in droves, and this trend will accelerate:
http://www.secularislam.org/testimonies/index.htm
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
Posted by: Ali Dashti at February 25, 2004 4:23 PMIt is good fun watching reza the jihadi call bedoe the apologist to task for trying to cover up the truth about islam. Reza, psychopath that he is, doesn't sugarcoat the truth. Beaten by your own teammate, eh bedoe?
Posted by: basil at February 25, 2004 4:27 PMHey Reza.....big, tough, insane jihadi princess....howcome your return e-mail is anonymous?
Is it because you're nothing but a wannabee punk, so hell bent on hate and threats that you can't give us a way to locate you? Are you e-mailing from a cave? Are you and Usama k-i-s-s-i-n-g?
Reza-you said this:
"Bedoe, you are either a liar or you are not a Muslim."
Now, are you saying that you have to be a liar to be a Muslim? Some aren't, but many Muslims are liars, but maybe you can clear that up for us......anonymously of course. And by the way, with your comments, a Louisville Slugger is in your future, I'm sure of it.
You come on here and threaten my back yard, boy.......stupid move. With your cut, copied and pasted commentary, I think you may be paid a friendly visit from some very important people very soon.
Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 25, 2004 4:49 PMallrighty then, im gonna retire from this website conversation. no point in taking a beating from people who have no wish to understand the true islam, regardless of what you think is the truth. so, i leave you all with this:
that is because they believed, and then disbelieved; therefore their hearts are sealed, so they understand not. (Qu'ran 28:3)
peace be upon you all.
Posted by: bedoe at February 25, 2004 5:06 PMMy heart jumped! Bedoe had apparently quoted from one of the surahs. Quick as a wink, I pulled my copy of Shakir's translation out of the bookstand. And....
Bedoe blew it. He cites an incorrect reference. Surah 28:3 states: "We recite to you from the account of Musa and Firon with truth for people who believe". The UMich Koran available online also cites a substantially similar interpretation of surah 28:3.
If I were to be bothered to troll through the Koran yet again, I suspect that the "peace" his "surah" refers to is the peace extracted through dhimmitude.
Ah, that Bedoe. "A" for effort, "F" for result. At least, he has had the decency to excuse himself from further "participation" here...
Posted by: Earl at February 25, 2004 6:56 PMISLAM is a snake with one thousand heads.
A very,very venomous snake.
All of its heads must be severed.
It must be destroyed so that not even its memory will ever survive.
God bless America.
Reza, you can't even conquer the Gaza Strip. How are you going to conquer the world?
You people are going to destroy yourselves. Your hateful ideology is putting the lives of tens of millions of muslims at risk.
Posted by: John Gish at February 25, 2004 9:11 PMIt's not your choice Bedoe, and you know it. It is clear that you are no longer a Muslim, if indeed you ever were. Do not presume further to speak for the Ummah.
Posted by Reza at February 25, 2004 03:47 PM
So.....is this a bad thing? Bedoe, the 5% of you that leans in favor of Islam should now be reconsidered. Reza, although his importance is zero, has just booted you....Join the normal world....denounce Islam, and princess Reza....you'll be much happier.
wow.. I missed all the fireworks. I was to busy working yesterday to chime in and I missed all the fun.
Some very good points were made. DC gets so fired up. You get'em boy.. woof!
Bedoe's lack of understanding his own religion is not unique. I believe there are many Muslims who do not truly understand what the Quran says. We here in the United States are very blessed that we can go to the local bookstore and buy an English translated form of the Quran. Although I always feel I have too much to learn about my own religion to spend a lot of time reading the Quran. I still own a copy for reference. As far as Reza I’m not even going to respond to him. I can tell by his quick retreat that he has had enough, it's hard to stand in the face of the truth.
I love this site. It's nice to have a place were like minded people can gather and share their feelings and thoughts. I know someone called me out the other day. I think it was Adela, she was upset at the fact that I do not fear Islam or the rhetoric of it followers. I did not respond because I respect her and feel she is entitled to her ideas and I'm glad she expresses them.
I just want to thank you all for coming everyday. Keep up the good fight and God bless you all.
Nice comment wild hare. Why don't we start our conversations on the more recent articles. It would be much easier to get to the real conversations instead of searching for everybody.
Posted by: bartb at February 26, 2004 11:48 AMadela
"It must be destroyed so that not even its memory will ever survive."
wow you sound like a nazi propagandist
they said the same thing about the jews...
are you a christian fundimentalist?
Posted by: joseph at February 26, 2004 12:53 PMHey, Joseph is back. Wow, Joseph you sound like a terrorist propagandist. How is the lynch mob in Europe doing, not bad? Are you an athiest fundamentalist?
Posted by: basil at February 26, 2004 1:49 PMSounds kind of idiotic for an athiest to be talking so much crap about religion. Sort of counter productive and contradictory. But, that's our whipping boy Joeyseph.....Back for another smack are you?
Adela my dear......just ignore this ignoramus. He is a racist against reality, honesty, integrity, and patriotism. I'm sure if we look hard enough, we could find him spraying off the asses of overworked camels over in the desert with dirty water, standing in his nightgown.
His points are pointless. His reality is unrealistic. The basis for his comments is baseless. Lastly, imagine a little prick in your side, you try to ignore that little prick, but it just won't subside. Finally you look down, grab that little prick by the neck, and remove it.
That little prick.....Well, we can just call him Joey.
D.C. Watson
Posted by: DCWatson37 at February 26, 2004 1:50 PMEver think that if the Islamic fantasy comes true that they won't even be able to turn on the lights? Imagine, 7th century Islam ruling over the world and no dhimmis to pay jizya or develop anything for the benefit of mankind. Nothing but breeding and memorizing the Koran. Oh what a "perfect" society that will be.
Praise allah—the promoter of Islamic ignorance. ;-)
Lili
Bedoe,
"And if they feel uncomfortable with another religion besides Islam, that is fine..abit dissapointing,but fine"
"Like I said in my other comment section, one is not obligated to wear a veil it is ones choice"
yeah right!! :-
The qur'an, sura 33:59:
"O prophet! tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completly except the eyes or one eye to see the way"
The Qur'an sura 4:89:
"..but if they turn back (from islam)take (hold of ) them and kill them wherever you find them."
Your response please??
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