I wasn't at this "rally", but likely only a handful of these nutters showed.

That said, Muslims in Ontario got all excited a few weeks ago, as some sort of "shariah" commercial arbitration tribunal was established. Extra-governmental, but still worrisome. The tribunal was established by a Muslim Ontario lawyer (yes, called to the Ontario Bar) who has been trying to establish such a tribunal since before his call to the Bar- in 1967!!

These people are just sleeping agents, waiting patiently for the opportunity to advance the ummah. The self-imposed ghettoization continues...

I am, however, seeing signs that the media is awakening to the threat of Islamism in Canada (see Margaret Wente's recent piece in the Toronto Globe and Mail). I suspect that the Canadian Jewish Congress and B'nai B'rith are also going to get far more involved, once a rash of recent Jew-hating incidents are cleaned up here in Ontario (of interest, but to no thinking person's surprise, an arab has been arrested in connection with some of these incidents).

It's getting very tiresome seeing these people demonstrate. What's even worse is the fact that these people think we should care about what they want.

I know that their wants and needs are nowhere on my priority list.

Its no suprise, the state in Canada has encouraged these groups to be as radical as they like (at taxpayers expense), under the guise of "multiculturalism".

Truly, a tragic illusion, was watching the news the other night, got a good look at a thousand years of tribal "diversity" in western pakistan: total lawlessness, total breakdown in civil society, total absence of any useful public institutions, a total failure in human interaction. This is the ultimate consequence of identity politics. It also struck me what a paralyzing, soul destroying ideology Islam is in process and substance.

Fourteen hundren years into it and the adherents have stripped the literal landscape and their identity to it rawest, a barren nihilistic void of the soul and terrain. Like cancer it is metastasizing into everthing till only the dust on the ground remains. How long before its seen as not merely different, just plain wrong remains to be seen?

How many lives need to be sacrificed, elites are running out of places to turn their embarrassed heads as the jihad slowly encircles their precious assumptions.

All I can say is beware of those among us who are left wing liberal secularists who run rampant among us and display no proud historical heritage or foundation for the country they live in. If you can`t define what your country stands for and hold dear to to laws and traditions of it, then you open yourself up to others who may want to define it for themselves. Beware of the politically correct crowd, for they operate from no foundation of traditional values.

so not being politically correct means being racist and hindering the rights of others.....

Earl:

Do you or anyone else know where this photo came from. I would guess the Toronto Star - the last paper I would subscribe to. I haven't seen any reference to it in any other Toronto media.

Thanks.

Joseph: I don`t believe I said anything about being a racist if you are opposed to political correctness! If I did, please be so kind as to point it out to me in my previous comment. ---Thanks.

Joey,

Please give us your definition of raciest…..Thanks

Well, it's plain as day what the radical Islamists want. Their idea of a United Nations is a global caliphate under Shariah Law. Check out: http://www.muhajiroun.com/
It's high time to deprt these maniacs!

The Islamists want to bring the whole world under Islam. So true!!!

Hope the non muslims in this world will see it before it's too late!

There is a very small percentage of muslims who believe in the separation of church and state and in the human rights charter. And amongst them, a very small number yet who are brave enough to voice their opinion, since any opinion against the mullahs' are always condemned as blasphemy, apostacy, etc.

There is such an organization in Indonesia with a very brave leader, Ulil Abshar-Abdalla. Following is a link of his interview with an arab phd, which explains the origin of Jemaah Islamiyah and it's connection with al Qaeda's no. 2, Zawahiri.

http://www.islamlib.com/en/page.php?page=article&id=456

This is good background information about these terrorists' ambition (islamize the whole world) and the hatred they harbor towards anything west/American.

This is exactly how it started in India,and a new islamic state emerged,Pakistan.
Are the canadians going to allow them to have their Pakistan within the canadian borders?!

And they call us the great Satan?!

adela... you know that only 2% of the canadian population is muslims and totals about 600,000

so stop your fear mongering...

Joseph. Is Adela fear mongering? or is she looking at a bigger picture?

2% of a population that wants the exact same thing can become a threat to any society, especially if that society has spineless joeyfish running legislature, that are willing to pander to these extremists. Is any of this making any sense to you?

I know you enjoy being the fly in the soup, but even flies have some cerebral matter. Please make an attempt to initiate yours before your fingers touch the keyboard.

Joey, I'm getting tired of beating you with the "smarten up" stick.

Last census numbers show a shade over 900,000 muslims in Canada- of a population of ~31 million. That ain't no 2%, boy.

Now, shut up and go back to your room, you wanker...

Joseph, with the attitude many of them show that's about 599,998 too many. I know a couple of good ones.
Malcolm

Earl,

If your census figures are correct, 900,000 out of a total population of 31 million is 2.903%. Ultimately, it's not the number, it's what they are thinking that is the problem.

A reader at LGF found the link, http://www.makingthelinks.tyo.ca
You can find a whole bunch of pictures from the so-called "anti-war" demo on Saturday in Toronto.

whats with the qouted use of the word "people"

its almost like you dont view muslims or people of middle eastern heritage as people?

whats with the painting the picture that democrats are just as bad as those evil muslims....

you have seriously been reading to much sean hannity.....

then again you could say ive been reading way to much chomsky...

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/05/13/census_religion030513

census figures for canada

they are from the 2001 census so it is possible that there is been a jump in population sense then

Kenneth:

I could not agree more with you- a fifth column of any size is a problem for the polity.

Thx. for the Islamist rally link.

Kenneth:

Took a closer look at the photos (wondering if I knew anyone ;) )

Just the usual bunch of communists, Paleos and paleo-supporters, ugly girls, bearded guys, anarchists, indian thugs and Jew haters. Looks like the entire lot of them would have fit in the streetcar to go home!

And, no, this is not a representative cross-section of the Canadian public- we were too busy sitting at home watching the hockey game!

I find it interesting that although there is such a minority of Muslims in Canada, 2 to 3%, they are already stating what their future ambitions are for that country. And, surprise of surprise, it is the same as any Muslim group around the world.

The problem with Westerners is that we never believe they mean what they say. We tend to think, "Aw, it's not that bad... After all, they are just like us. We want to raise our families and have friends over - they want the same." But history has shown it is not like that. How long will it take for us to realize they mean what they say?

Joseph, I know you believe in your heart of hearts that these people are benign, but you are kidding yourself. Some of them are, I grant you that; but the majority are not and if you don't wake up soon you will be praying toward Mecca one day.

So Muslims are only 3% of Canada's population? What Joseph conveniently fails to mention is that Muslims are only 2-6% of the population in many European countries, but the Muslim's aggressive attitudes and actions against the natives already has those governments peeing their pants.

Demographic trends being what they are, we can expect Muslim minorities to become increasingly aggressive every place they are hosted.

Wait a sec gang, i think this is a good idea. Put them all in one place, (like Palestine). Or round them all up and put them in interment camps like we did the Japanese in WWII. However, unlike the Japanese who proved their loyalty to this country, don't let the Muslims out.

Joseph,

The problem is that it only takes about 10% of a population to start a "movement." The entire American Revolution was accomplished with the support of only 30% of the population.

This is why the lax immigration policy of Canada, the the failure of the United States to protect all its borders (thus constituting a lax immigration policy of sorts), and the high birth rate of immigrants who do not wish to assimilate is a problem for us. This is why the "fifth column" is a problem.

Either we all--Canada and United States--wake up to this threat, or we resign ourselves to the fate of Camelot, where we are here for a brief, shining moment, and then vanish.

By the way, Mackie, please cut out the nasty references to secularism. When it comes to government, to have a secular government means to have a government which protects your right to have any belief system you wish, provided you function within the limits established by the Constitution. It most assuredly does NOT mean a government which imposes some belief (or unbelief) system on its citizens.

Joseph, getting back to your first post: How do you figure that muslims have a "right" to a muslim caliphate in Canada? They have the right to worship--or not--how they will. But what will it take for you to understand that if they actually realize the "right" to a caliphate, that would mean that your rights would simply be gone, unless of course you are a muslim or a dhimmi. No one has the right to demand that a government/religion of his/her choosing be imposed upon the rest. You are a mental lightweight and not to be taken seriously.

Cube: Sorry Cube but I made no reference to government when I commented on secularism. What I am objecting to is a movement to try and remove any influences of religion by the left. This country was founded on Christain Judaio ethics, and I was referring to the secular humanism movement that has a belief in rational man as a source of his own salvation and a rejection of God. if we continue to allow groups like the ACLU whose objective is to create a secular nation, than we risk opening a door for a pervasive religion that wants to dominate Goverment and all other religions. Separation of church and state yes, but not separation from its founding values that must always be preserved and protected.

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bob its nice to see your blog growing i can still remember when at most i'd see 5 posts for a given story keep up the good work
oh and i'd comment on the story but the above posts minus joseph cover just about anything i would have posted

Joseph is a muslim not an atheist.
And that`s the reason he is monitoring this site.
All western countries should deport all muslims to their place of origin,or to a musli country of their choice.
No muslims should be permitterd to enter any western country ,under any circumstances.
All mosques should be demolished immediately.
The quran should be declared to be hate literature and banned in all western countries.
Islam should be declared a death cult and banned in all western countries.
Any attack against any western country ,by muslim terrorists should be answered immediatelly with total destruction of the country of origin of the perpetrators.
We are still far from such radical measures,but time will come when the civilized countries of the world will have to unite and to do just that,or be destroyed themselves.

adela,

man the hate and fear is really strong with you..

the dark side of the force is very powerful with you...

and for the fool who advocated puting muslims in CONCENTRATION CAMPS because that is what internment camps are. and who supported the idea of putting japanese in these camps during WWII which was one of most dispicable things done by the american forces during WWII. I ask you then what is different about you and a nazi? you both have hatred for a ethnic and religous group and you both have a desire to put that group in concentration camps. which i have no doubt would lead to the killing of those inprisoned people

It saddens me that my fellow countrymen (assuming you are from america) can say such low life hateful things towards a people.

jospeh (as opposed to Joseph that also posts on this site) Yes, I am an American. I state that anyone that proposes to undermine and overthrow this government and culture of the United States, from without and from withing, should be swiftly and surely dealt with. You are already aware of my views on this subject.
As for the Canadian Muslims agitating for the Caliphate, that is the decision of Canadians. They would be foolish to allow it.
I state, as have others on this site, that they, nor would any group of American Muslims, have the right to establish a mini-Caliphate. America is not a potential Muslim land, nor are we interested in conversion, dhimmitude, or death, the only alternatives Islam seems to offer us, not equal co-existence, which is what we offered you.
If you, or any other, wish to life in a Caliphate, return (or go for the first time) to Saudi Arabia or Iran, where the Caliphate is up and running. You will feel more comfortable there, I'm sure. If you want to live in peaceful coexistence with us, feel free to stay, …without the Caliphate.

Joey, if you think that's bad, maybe you should open your other ear, and your other eye, to see and hear what they say about us.

Now that we know what country you're from, why don't you show some love for it. You should remember this: If you were to make some of the statements you make in the nations that the people you are defending are from, they'd cut your tongue out.

For that reason alone, you should respect the right you've been given to speak your mind here. This is the problem with many, they forget about all of the soldiers that gave their lives to defend our freedoms. Freedoms that the people that you concern yourself with defending, would like to see eliminated.

Sincerely,

D.C. Watson Ohio USA

I do love my country and I love everyone in it
including muslims,christians,jews,etc.. and I REFUSE
to show a predjudice agaisnt anyone or encurage persacution of any group in it.

You shouldn't, it appears you already persecuted your ability to spell. If you refuse to encourage the persecution of any group, does this mean that you wouldn't want the terrorists living in America done away with?

That's what it looks like to many. Fly in the soup.

I think Joey can say that because he has a detached reality. When terrorism punctures the bubble he lives in, IE his mother, father, brothers or sisters get blown to bits in the mall while shopping for Xmas then his tune will change. I know Joe your thinking, that hasn’t happened. True but it will. It's only a matter of time.

I imagine Joey is one of those people that really believe in talking and diplomacy. That we can just reason with violent elements in our lives and they will change the way they are.

The issue we are talking about here is not a different of opinion. We are not all going to sit down over a cup of coffee and in the end agree to disagree. Islam as a whole does not work that way. If they cant’ take what they want outright then they chip away at it slowly until they achieve their goal.

If you understood the history of violence and violent conflict as well as the history of Islam you just might start to grasp the magnitude of what the others on this site understand.

The west and Islam is indeed very much the same animal in the respect jihadist and informed Americans both have an eye on the big prize while moderate Muslims and lazy westerners sit by and watch it all happen.

My challenge to you is this, Instead of blasting everyone on this site about their views. Give us concrete solutions for us to chew on. We are not all going to agree with you. But give us something to make us think in another direction. Also I would like you to really study Islam. I had to learn about while in the service. I was in charge of terrorist threat information for the fleet, for when they would port over seas. They had to know the threat level in any given country before they ported. I spent my time learning about the history of the religion as well current fundamentalist ideas. I ask that you do the same thing.

Do some homework. Really learn what you are talking about. Then if you views and solutions that differ from ours I would love to hear them.

I have a few friends who are from iran,india,and pakistan and it angers me when I hear things on this site saying we should deport all muslims and effectively ban there religion now its not everyone who posts saying this but its a large percentange. these people are good people, they have there family's here and work hard in self owned buisness, working in corporate american, or in college . they are living the so called american dream. and when someone posts some hatefilled crap saying lets destroy all mosque's it is so blatently un-american. I sometimes get the feeling that certain posters dont even consider them people. I can understand wanting to destroy al qaeda and the jihadist movement but dont hurt the good people too in doing it...

it showed much restraint for the american public to not start attacking directly muslims living in this country but Im afraid that things are changing and the next time its going to be ugly
and i really do not wish this on anyone

Joey, those self-owned businesses you mentioned, would those happen to have been generated from small business loans that most AMERICANS can't obtain?

Do they change the name of their business and transfer ownership to a family member, then re-open the business under a different name every five years to avoid paying taxes? Yes Joey boy, this is going on...

You said: "it showed much restraint for the american public to not start attacking directly muslims living in this country but Im afraid that things are changing and the next time its going to be ugly and i really do not wish this on anyone"

Maybe it'd be a good idea to let these good people in on your thoughts, because one more attack on this country, and the word "ugly" will be a great understatement. Open your eyes....I suppose everyone thought Muhammad Atta was a nice, friendly neighbor too....you are truly a piece of craftsmanship....let your friends in on this.....

By the way Joey, ask all your friends why they don't stand up and protest the terrorist acts perpetrated by their Muslim brothers.

Have you bothered? Hasn't their silence over this matter made you wonder where these "good people" stand? You said you had friends from Iran, India, and Pakistan.....The Indian friend, if a Hindu, certainly doesn't have to answer this question. However your Muslim pals do...

I'll ask it again, maybe you can show it to them, or give me their names and I'll ask them myself....Why have they not taken a stand against terrorism when their asses are parked in America's backyard? Simple question, requiring a simple answer...Is it that their weak of heart, like their pal Joey? Or is it because they, like their radical counterparts, wouldn't mind an Islamic theocracy in the U.S.

I await their answer, if, unlike their radical Muslim brothers, who hide among the innocent in order to avoid an ass kicking by Americans, they're man enough to give one.

Joseph,the diference between me and a nazi is tha fact that i`m not a nazi.
The nazis have attacked people for no reason at all ,other that being in the way of their dream of world domination/
As opposed to that,all i`m saying is,we should defend ourselves against an enemy who is attacking us and trying to destroy us.
There`s nothing wrong with a nation or country under attack,to defend itself and that is exactly what we should do.
A muslim leader declared that they don1t fight us because they want us to offer them something,but they fight us because they simply want to eliminate us...
The only thing left for us,is to eliminate them first.
By deportation,by immediate closing of their nests(mosques),by banning their venomous doctrine which is Islam,by banning the quran and by not alowing muslims to enter our country under any circumstances.
And if they strike us,we should strike them back ten thousand folds.
It a basic rule of survival:kill or be killed.
If it was in my powers i would implement all above measures and a few more,starting immediately.
Joseph,i know you are a muslim and that`s the reason why you try to downplay these threats and you play the tolerance card...you are neither an atheist nor a tolerant liberal,you are a muslim that is monitorizing this site and i despise you.
Adela.

Getting back to the issue, this is plain old fashioned treason, the government of canada looks the other way at its own peril. Next stop Bramptonistan (canadians will get it). The pattern is clear, we're being colonized, one electoral district at time. Look how they've settled en mass at key border points. Its their historic pattern, control the trade routes, control everything.

adela so you are saying that because you have a reason it is okay to then advocate the criminal acts of the nazi's... you are insane

i am not a muslim

I am a white american male with german/english heritage

i have never practiced a religion in my life nor have i attended any church or mosque..

Joey, you said you loved Christians, Jews and Muslims, yet you're an athiest......how on earth can you love believers in God if you don't believe in God yourself......????????

Are you insane?

why would i hate someone because of the religion they practice?

most of my relatives are practicing christians and i care for them just like I care for my friends who are muslim,hari krishna,etc..

Joseph,as is said before,you are not an atheist,but a devout muslim.
I know it,and let`s leave it at that.
You don`t even have the courage to admit it,and that`s the reason i despise you.
All muslims have the same common lack of courage when it comes to assume responsibility,they just say they were missunderstood,missquoted,taken out of context,etc.
But i really don`t care one way or the other,because you are doomed no matter what,and let me tell you why:if you are indeed an atheist(which you are not),then a muslim caliphate wuld mean your death,for they hate atheists.
If you are a muslim,we are going to eliminate you just like the rest of you,so no matter what ,in the end you`ll lose.

Enough with Islamic nutbars. We really need to close the border to these people *NOW*. Further, I can't understand the "secularist" bunch much either. ISLAM CALLS FOR THE MURDER OF ATHEISTS.
Wake up people. Everywhere where you get a significant number of muslims, you have a problem.

This is NOT racism. Islam is not a race, for those of you too dense to see this. It's like saying being anti-Nazi is being racist.

Islam is a disease. How many more murders must we tolerate? How many more attacks on our institutions must we tolerate?

Wake up.

I live in the area where the Arab man sprayed
antisemitic signs on a wall,this poor excuse for a man should be a wake-up call to the dangers of
filling children with hate for a false enemy.
As for the percentage numbers of Muslims in Canada they are usually skewed up or down depending on what Government funding they want.
Self appointed leaders like to throw out numbers
but never back them up,CAIR-Canada is the worst
for this,the website encourages Muslims to file a complaint of Muslim-bashing or hate-crime. these are undocumented and Mosques have reported Muslim women saying that people stare at them as if they
are terrorists because of the Hijab.
There is a local Mosque supporting the Khadr family even though they admit on TV to support
Al-Qaeda,one son needed medical help and returned to Canada for the free care,when citizens complained the leader of the Mosque said non-Muslims are more of a burden to social programs than
Muslims. Remember in the 1930's a Bohemian corporal from Austria came to power in Germany and said the same thing about certain groups which lead to extermination camps to lessen the financial burden on German's.
There are Muslim websites in Canada that make it clear the goal in the future is an Islamic Governed Canada and a Muslim majority to dictate the morals and ethics. Sadly these people actually
beleive their plans are good for Canada and quite
normal,some of their funds comes from the Saudi's
and now the CAIR USA group has ties to terrorist
funding like Hamas and Hezbollah. Don't get fooled
by the peaceful front being put on western Islam,the Quran states the Jews and Christians are the enemy of Islam and Allah sees Muslims that
befriend them as sinners to be punished.
Islam doesn't mena Peace,it means Submissiom and
that means no free will,you just follow whatever the bearded guy says,even if it's to kill in the name of Allah.
Shortly after the 911 attack I did laugh for a brief moment,I tried to imagine the look on the faces of the hi-jackers when their 72 virgins
in paradise stood before them with cloven hoof's,a vipercated tail,horns on the head and holding a trident spear amongst the billowing
flames.
I would have given my pension money to see those losers wake up to the reality of worshiping a false god and following a Phrophet that murdered people and had sex with a child.