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From AP, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm and DC Watson:
Jubilant residents dragged the charred corpses of four foreign contractors, one a woman, at least one an American through the streets Wednesday and hanged them from the bridge spanning the Euphrates River. Five American soldiers died in a roadside bombing nearby.The four contract workers for the U.S.-led coalition were killed in a rebel ambush of their SUVs in Fallujah, a Sunni Triangle city about 35 miles west of Baghdad and scene of some of the worst violence on both sides of the conflict since the beginning of the American occupation a year ago.
It was reminiscent of the 1993 scene in Somalia, when a mob dragged the corpse of a U.S. soldier through the streets of Mogadishu, eventually leading to the American withdrawal from the African nation.
In one of the bloodiest days for the U.S. military this year, five 1st Infantry Division soldiers died when their M-113 armored personnel carrier ran over a bomb in a separate incident 12 miles to the northwest, among the reed-lined roads running through some of Iraq's richest farmland.
Residents said the bomb attack occurred in Malahma, 12 miles northwest of Fallujah, where anti-U.S. insurgents are active. U.S. Marines operate in the area, but it was unclear whether the slain troops were Marines.
In the deadliest previous incident this year, nine soldiers were killed when their Black Hawk medevac helicopter crashed near Fallujah, apparently after being shot down.
In Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the four killed in Fallujah were contractors working with the coalition. He did not say what they were doing in the city.
Chanting ''Fallujah is the graveyard of Americans,'' residents cheered after the grisly assault on two four-wheel-drive civilian vehicles, which left both in flames. Others chanted, ''We sacrifice our blood and souls for Islam.''
Associated Press Television News pictures showed one man beating a charred corpse with a metal pole. Others tied a yellow rope to a body, hooked it to a car and dragged it down the main street of town. Two blackened and mangled corpses were hung from a green iron bridge across the Euphrates.''The people of Fallujah hanged some of the bodies on the old bridge like slaughtered sheep,'' resident Abdul Aziz Mohammed said. Some of the corpses were dismembered, he said.
Beneath the bodies, a man held a printed sign with a skull and crossbones and the phrase ''Fallujah is the cemetery for Americans.''
APTN showed the charred remains of three slain men. Some were wearing flak jackets, said resident Safa Mohammedi.
One resident displayed what appeared to be dog tags taken from one body. Residents also said there were weapons in the targeted cars. APTN showed one American passport near a body and a U.S. Department of Defense identification card belonging to another man.
U.S. military officials in Washington said the situation was still confused but they did not think the victims were American soldiers and believed the SUVs were not American military vehicles.
Witnesses said the two vehicles were attacked with small arms fire and rocket propelled grenades.
Hours after the attack, the city was quiet. No U.S. troops or Iraqi police were seen in the area.
Fallujah is in the so-called Sunni Triangle, where support for Saddam Hussein was strong and rebels often carry out attacks against American forces.
In nearby Ramadi, insurgents threw a grenade at a government building and Iraqi security forces returned fire Wednesday, witnesses said. It was not clear if there were casualties.
Also in Ramadi, a roadside bomb exploded near a U.S. convoy, witnesses said. U.S. officials in Baghdad could not confirm the attack.
On Tuesday in Ramadi, one U.S. soldier was killed and another wounded in a roadside bombing, said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt.
Northeast of Baghdad, in the city of Baqouba on Wednesday, a suicide bomber blew up explosives in his car when he was near a convoy of government vehicles, wounding 14 Iraqis and killing himself, officials said.
The attacked convoy is normally used to transport the Diala provincial governor, Abdullah al-Joubori, but he was elsewhere at the time, said police Col. Ali Hossein.
On Tuesday, a suicide bombing outside the house of a police chief in Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad, killed the attacker and wounded seven others.
A bomb exploded late Tuesday in a movie theater that had closed for the night. Two bystanders were wounded by flying glass, said its owner, Ghani Mohammed.
The latest violence came two days after Carina Perelli, the head of a U.N. electoral team, said better security is vital if Iraq wants to hold elections by a Jan. 31 deadline. The polls are scheduled to follow a June 30 transfer of sovereignty to an Iraqi government.
Top U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer said Tuesday he had appointed 21 anti-corruption inspectors general to government departments to try to prevent fraud. More will be named in coming days, he said.
The inspectors will work with two other newly formed, independent agencies. Together, they will ''form an integrated approach intended to combat corruption at every level of government across the country,'' Bremer said.
What will they say to those who are ready to sacrifice their blood and souls for Islam?
Posted by Robert at March 31, 2004 10:27 AM
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I'm pissed: from my post:Hoping to disrupt the Iraqi transition and weaken US resolve to rescue the next generation of terrorists, our beloved children, fathers, neighbors, now dead Americans flaunted on al-Jazeera, were Dragged through the streets of Fallujah, Burned and Hung from a bridge.
Response option 1, the Somalia model: run away and block it from your mind. Response option 2, find the bastards and KILL THEM.
We have to stop playing nice with these animals. You wouldn't try to cuddle a rabid dog. We should stop doing the same with these creatures.
I propose a simple plan:
1. Block the area off.
2. Stop all food
3. Stop all water
4. Stop all power
5. Demand the handover of insurgents
6. Demand the handover of weapons
7. Move the peaceful civilians to safe camps
8. Kill everyone left behind
9. Move the civilians back
Rinse
Lather
Repeat
Chris and Jane are right.
At least we do have video of the perpetrators, so hunting them down and finding them should be little problem for our Special Forces.
However, I wonder why we simply haven't used any of those fancy MOAB bombs on Fallujah? That city is not worth trying to save.
Well said, Auzerais, Chris, and Jane. We have given Fallujah the benefit of the doubt long enough. It's time for us to "get real."
Fallujah should be turned into a prison. I know we have prisons over there for suspect individuals, and that they are heavily occupied, but we need something larger, much along the line of that old movie "Escape from New York," where the whole island of Manhattan is turned into a prison.
By the way, has anyone heard the story I heard on a local talk show this morning that the French press is given information prior to these incidents so that they can be there to take the videos we are seeing? According to the host, his information is that the French get the scoop, provided they don't tell us in advance of what the plans are.
Chris is right.
We have to stop our crazy way of behavior and thinking. We think humanistic and try to act so too. But those people are so primitive that they don`t think in the same way as more civilized people does.
It is a matter of education , general and university. And at matter of habitus.
In Denmark the Islamist don`t kill us - yet.
But they give birth to 5-6 times more children than the Old Danes. And they have promised that Denmark is going to be a khalifat. So about 2035-40 we are in great trouble. And so are Norway and Sweden. Thanks to all the so called humanists incl. the Danish Jews, who have made it able for the muslims, especially from the ME, to immigrate to Danmark.They are about 700.000 - 800.000,
TO DAY !
I agree with everything you've all posted. We are being too nice with these animals. Kill them.....
This area of Iraq is a hell hole. It is the epicenter of this fight in Iraq. Until we and the coalition secure the are by wiping out the enemy there it is going to be a problem. NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!!!!!
Vivi Andersen, they don't kill y'all *yet*, but aren't they doing most of the rapes? Can't remember if it was Denmark or Sweden where, in response to an epidemic of rapes against native women by Muslim men, the government instructed women to stop dressing "provocatively," (bare arms and heads?)and to be more sensitive to different cultures. Makes me sick.
Send 'em all home Vivi, and if you need inexpensive labor get it from Eastern Europe.
Chris--basically a sound idea, and one who's time is overdue. As Victor Davis Hanson has pointed out, the resistance won't stop until the enemy is made to feel utterly defeated.
Posted by: Dave at March 31, 2004 12:40 PMThis will probably make all of you sick, as it did me. But I wanted to send this link to all of you so that you can see what type of entity we're confronted with over there.
These pics are graphic, but as sad as it is, Anti-Jihadists need to see them, and pass them along. Tom is right, all of you are right. We have been too nice.
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Fallujah&ei=UTF-8&=&c=news_photos
Thanks to all.
D.C.
Posted by: D C Watson at March 31, 2004 12:44 PMi wouldnt just blame aljazeera for showing the footage of the bodys
its all over reuters,cnn,foxnews,yahoo photos, etc.
Posted by: joseph at March 31, 2004 1:02 PMjoseph FOAD and i agree with chris's post
Posted by: jimmytheclaw at March 31, 2004 1:17 PMWhy are we not kicking some serious ass right now in that God-forsaken pit of Hell? It seems so obvious what the responce needs to be. A MOAB is a great idea....I really think it's going to come to wiping out a few generations of these ass holes to affect some change. Which means we will have to nuke Iran ....because for every 1 jihadist we kill or capture, theres' 10 more ready to take his/her/it's place. Ayn Rand would agree with me.
Posted by: Tom at March 31, 2004 1:28 PMthe point jimmy is that its been shown on the media around the world not just aljazeera and i do not think aljazeera is gloating about it
i think what happened today was very awful and i suspect there will be a big change in policy in dealing with falujah. im just not sure if there is a method that will work short of killing a couple generations of citizens which is not a solution
if, indeed, french journalists have made such a deal with the enemy, then our military should consider these journalists as agents of the enemy and treat them accordingly.
Posted by: ted at March 31, 2004 1:45 PMFallujah is now the most popular underdog in the minds of anti-American Arabs and Muslims. It's time for a get tough policy with this particular town.
1. Cordon it off and limit all access and egress.
2. If attacks continue, move all civilians out after frisking them. Then level the place completely so that there is no evidence of a town ever having been there.
3. Finally, use the site as a dump for radio active materials so that it will never be inhabited again. No more Fallujah.
4. Build schools, roads etc in all towns that actively support us.
This is the carrot and stick approach.
Mike H
Posted by: Michael Hartrich at March 31, 2004 1:46 PMChris, I like the way you think. I guess I'm getting too impatient and short tempered in my old age. I want to drop a small tactical nuke on the bastards.
Posted by: Hal at March 31, 2004 3:14 PMI always wondered why the Bible prophesy spoke of the destruction of Babylonia even saying destroy & kill even children.
Today I understand.These are not humans with minds but evil spirits trapped in bodies the vehicles of all unclean spirits.
We should not have been there in the first place . We should have let the master devil(Saddam) take care of the little devils(the Iraqi people).
BUT IT IS NOT OUR WILL FOR IT HAS BEEN PROPHESISED. GOD IS CALLING OUT TO HIS CREATION TO ABANDON EVIL BUT THEY WILL NOT . FINALLY GOD WILL PERMIT THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE COUNTRY.
I PRAY TO GOD THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO DESIST FROM EVIL WILL BE SPARED BEFORE HE DESROYS THE REST.
These barbaric acts are a repeat of what had been done before by muslims. Sometimes even on their fellow muslims accused of being traitors.
somali - US soldiers dragged through streets
palestine - 'traitors' dragged through streets and hanged.
- 2 israeli soldiers killed, bodies mutilated, when they took the wrong turn.
pakistan - daniel pearl
indonesia - beheadings in areas where they have sectarian violence. Mass rape in May 1998 against chinese who are mostly christians.
and the list goes on ........
But what do you expect from a religion that teaches an eye for an eye and urges it's flock to islamize the whole world and in doing that everything allows everything as long as it's for the glory of their allah.
Posted by: jasmine at March 31, 2004 4:14 PMI seem to remember the military testing a MOAV Bomb which = 1/10 of a nuclear bomb. I think Fallujah would be a good first target for this weapon. "For those who drag burned Americans through the streets shall no longer have those streets, and all who are in them may burn themselves".
Posted by: Stan at March 31, 2004 4:21 PMI Pray for the families of those killed today in the barbaric attacks in Iraq.Imagine if that was your brother/sister/or mom or dad that was hanging from the bridge burned beyond recognition/ Or being beaten and attacked in the street . MAkes me sick to my stomach...and mad as Hell. Makes me want to sign up and go over there and kill as many terrorist animals as I could.
Posted by: Tom at March 31, 2004 4:25 PMAmerican
that whate u ask 4
u w'll see more
Hmmmmmmm. Do we have a TERRORIST IN HERE?
Posted by: Tom at March 31, 2004 4:30 PMIf you go to Fallujah and kill yourself you'll finally a woman (72)
Posted by: Sam at March 31, 2004 4:34 PMthe camera's caught most of the violence to the dead body's so arresting those involved should not be to difficult if they live in the general area of the ambush. the actually people who did the initial ambush who knows if they even stuck around for what happened after.. i strongly doubt it.
Posted by: joseph at March 31, 2004 4:51 PMEven in cyberspace the Islamists are cowards! (I hate American -- no real email addy.)
If these guys think that what happened today will cause an exodus like Somalia, they are quite wrong. Fallujah will become a graveyard, all right, but not for the Coalition forces. Needless to say the Nazis and Imperial Japanses forces were not treated half as kindly as we've treated the Fallajuh folks. It's time to nuke them.
The next time US forces find dancing barbarians celebrating the death of coalition forces we ought to have Apache helicopters fire a half dozen Hellfire missiles into the crowd.
Fallujah is full of barbarians and Coalition forces are too kind. The damn place and it's barbarian population should be utterly destroyed.
Target rich environment for MOAB testing.
Dear Tom
Unfortunately they are everywhere and sadly mostly due our own failure about the matter of Islam fundamwentalists (terrorists). We gave them freedom and accomodated them into our own rooms and beds. We freed the devils.
Now itīs just a matter of returning them to Hell.
Carlos Torres
Lisbon/Portugal
with US and Israel
"Thanks to all the so called humanists including the Danish Jews, who have made it able for the muslims, especially from the ME, to immigrate to Danmark".
Here we go again. In the face of Islamic barbarianism there is a Vivi Andersen who cannot think anything else than blame the Jews. Hey Vivi, you are barking at the wrong tree. Your stupid people of Denmark can only blame themselves if your country is full of the antisemitic bastards who are trying (and will succed) to change your cosy way of life. Your big Scandinavian heart has, since a lot of years, closed its eyes and payed lip service to the Arab lies and Palestinian propaganda. You can blame only the stupidity of your own idiotic blind people, so don't blame the Jews, you moron.
Posted by: genna at March 31, 2004 6:08 PMWords don't do something like this justice. I read also,yesterday in newsweek that Saddam Hussein is not really talking very much during his interrogations and even is toying with the interrogators. On top of that, among many other things, the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are complaining that they are being constantly mistreated but their complaints are just based on trivial things. There are probably a large number of possible ways to deal with this stuff and I hope the
American planners come up with something. That person hanging from girders of bridge isn't doing much complaining about treatment received but somehow "body" seems to be saying something. I have been told that overseas, when ever there is an episode of violence directed towards U.S. personnel that great part of news revolves around how many "innocent" Iraqis were injured and killed while U.S. people defend themselves. That is what the world hears about. It would probably amaze us to know how many people are glad something like this is happening to Americans. I have not heard of Baath Party members sufferring this fate, even though Saddam's regime was responsible for untold thousands of episodes of brutal murders. I like to imagine that something is being done about Iraq(is) that our government is too smart to let get into news. I believe Rule .303 wisely and quietly applied over there would help.
Posted by: JoeIreland at March 31, 2004 6:20 PM
Fox news said it all; why not go into fallujah and clean it out. Those muslims in fallujah are and were supporters of saddam, there fate should be nothing more then death. It is time to pull the rats out one by one from the sinking ship of the old iraq.
Posted by: christian at March 31, 2004 8:55 PMAmerican
that whate u ask 4
u w'll see more
Posted by I Hate American
Now, do you hate America? or do you hate Amerians? or are you just so used to butchering the Engish language that it doesn't mater when you say "I hate American" ?????? You sound awfully dumb.....
Posted by: D.C. Watson at March 31, 2004 9:42 PMAmericans......matter.....corrections....
Posted by: D.C. Watson at March 31, 2004 9:45 PMFor every american soldier killed in iraq,we should execute one thousand iraqis,immediately.
For the five american soldiers killed today,we should execute five thousand fallujahs.
In less then a week,our casualties would drop down to ZERO.
The problem, from what I can see, is that the American government does not always finish what it starts. If we were going to go to war with Iraq, we needed to finish the job first and then work at nation building. Instead, we get the people at the top out of power and then turn an unfinished military action into a police action. We did the same thing in Viet Nam. Is it any wonder why we didn't win that war? The problem with civilized people is that - even with us - we find war to be a very distasteful job. But, if you want to win it, you have to decimate the opposition - otherwise you end up with what we see today; you end up with a Fallujah.
Posted by: paula at April 1, 2004 6:28 AMi am quite sure that the military will now solve this problem -- this will become an example of why iraq is not like vietnam
Posted by: ted at April 1, 2004 11:48 AMYou don't get it: There are no peaceful civilians....they all read the same Koran....The Koran is an instruction book for broad-based psychological and confrontational warfare...when are you going to learn?
Judy Weismonger
Posted by: Judy at April 1, 2004 5:14 PMYou had better hope and pray...that President George Bush wins the election...If John Kerry wins, and with draws out of the Middle East...in 4 years, the United States will be a third world country.
Why? Because, between the bifurcated assault of the Moslems' and the International Nation of Islam intentions of taking world control...and the EU dominance of Europe, and the Sino-Asian bloc carving up the rest of the world...and the American "Left" having no "guts" and wanting to hide their heads and looking for "warm fuzzies" and wanting everyone to like them...the US will be done for....
Judy Weismonger
Posted by: Judy at April 1, 2004 5:23 PMFalluja:
Mangle the Triangle by:
1. close and isolate all access to Falluja
2. Round up all men and boys over the age of 10 years
3. Separate girls and women and put them in camps. Begin to teach all women and girls English...and schooling...no more Arabic, teach them their rights. No more Islamic traditions, or humiliating Moslem women's traditions. Give them American names. Give them good food and wonderful treatment like Girl Scout camps, put them in American dresses, give them cosmetics and CD players.
4. Put the men in camps of 100 and subject them 24 hour rap music, spray them with noxious chemicals that make them vomit, and inhalents that make them hallucinate, and sleepless...until they confess who murdered the soldiers and contractors. Keep them naked.
5. Fingerprint everyone and give them ID cards
6. Blow up all mosques and city halls, especially Moslem men's sport clubs.
7. Shut down all water, power, and electricity
8. No prayers or religious articles for the next three years. Anyone praying gets a rifle butt to the head
9. Begin re-indoctrination of US Bill of Rights daily, no Moslem male gets any food until he can recite US Bill of rights by heart.
Did I leave anything out?
Judy Weismonger
Posted by: Judy at April 1, 2004 5:36 PMThe Koran especially hates women...read it, especially Chapter Four. Therefore, if the so-called "Nation of Islam" is going to change, it will through outside forces protecting and educating its women and girls.
By the way, where is the vaunted National Organization of Women (NOW).....that beloved, left-wing group, that has said nothing about how Moslems treat and torture women? Where is NOW, who should be at the forefront in the fight for the freedom of Moslem women.
Where is NOW in congratulating President George Bush for fighting for the freedom and education, and health care of Moslem women? NOW should be ashamed of itself....what a bunch of slimey hypocrites.
Judy Weismonger
Posted by: Judy at April 1, 2004 5:44 PMThese barbarians are too stupid to let us help them.
Posted by: greg at April 2, 2004 12:15 AMMaybe the US citizens should view the photos of the bodies of the 500 innocent civilians Americans soldiers massacred in My Lai in Vietnam. Or the little girls the American barbarians raped at My Lai before murdering them. Then you might realise the Americans are just as capable of committing atrocities as anyone else.
Posted by: Dave Derros at April 2, 2004 4:03 AMWhat does this have to do with anything? No one is saying that all Americans are incapable of barbarism. What's being said is that if these people were smart, they would let us help them rebuild their country, and within one generation, make it the most advanced muslim country in the world.
Posted by: greg at April 2, 2004 8:02 AMThe images on the website are very graphic...
In The pictures you will see Albanian islamic terrorists holding heads of Serbian Soldiers.
Their heads were cut off in 1999 when US striked against yugoslavia.
Do you people know that thousands of those islamic Albanian Terrorists are now fighting american and coalition forces in iraq.
Do you know that Al Qaeda is now a widely spread organization that operates from kosovo and Bosnia (countries that your supported)
Did u know that Serbs where fighting the Turks for more then 500 years trying to keep balkan and europe free from islam.
Did u ever hear of the kosovo Battle?
Did u know that albanian hate christians?
Do You know how fast the islamic population is spreading?
How would u like it if the muslim population in
New York declares Brooklyn a Muslim Country.
If You americans know all that stuff and u still support Albanians in kosovo. Then i must say that i would love to see more of you guys hanging
on that bridge.
Keep on supporting terrorists. They're now killing you with your weapons in Iraq
thanx
Posted by: Anti terrorist at April 2, 2004 9:44 AMThis was a coordinated, planned act, with the intention of drawing the US into Fallujah in a military response.
The goal of this attack is to get the US to respond violently, which will help the insurgents and terrorists to garner more support against the US.
What is needed in this fight is wisdom. The people carrying out these attacks are meticulous planners. I applaud the military taking it's time on the response, for they are undoubtedly carefully evaluating the correct approach.
The bastards that carried out this brutality do need to be punished and made examples of.
Israel has been experiencing the same problem for years, where brutality met with brutaility only serves the terrorists interests. But brutality met with passiveness also encourages terrorists.
I am of the opinion that the best response is one that protects the innocent people, yet kills the perpetrators. Once located, those who participated must be executed.
Shoot the chicken to scare the monkey.
The comments on this post were so funny, I linked them. The Decadent West is the website.
Posted by: RT at April 4, 2004 3:23 AMWhat has happened to the sense of history? Even here in the USA, there are well documented cases of atrocities like this. For almost 100 years after the Civil War, there were horrific acts of violence against citizens and soldiers. We called them "lynchings". One can find numerous photographs of church going, God fearing, "terrorists" smiling and milling about, expounding brute savagery as though it were noble virtue to be aspired to! Just like those animals in Iraq!
Virtually no nation in history wants to be dominated by persons different than themselves. Japan's occupation of Asia, the Nazi butchers set loose in Europe, the Communists in Hungary are examples of what happens as a direct result of occupation. We call them terrorist thugs, but they really are resistance movements and partisans. OK, we can exert brutal reprisals and kill as many as we like, yet this rarely is effective in the long run. Reprisals only give strength and credence to the resistance, creating more "terrorists" who are even more willing to carry out more attacks.
Just think: If a nation like say Cuba, were to overthrow and occupy the USA, and gave us better health care systems, fixed our roads, and improved the level of education in our schools, would we still violently oppose such a change?
Doubtlessly...
Posted by: Funkenstein at April 4, 2004 7:40 PMI just want to say that my heart goes out to those families of the four men who lost there lives on that trajic day. Its so unfortuanate that while helping another country they left in such a horrific manor by the anger of the people of fallujah.
Posted by: courtney perry at April 10, 2004 1:18 PMall the repurcussions of occupying and killing tens of thousands of innocent families, are now coming to US troops and civilians, what did you expect? did you expect them to lay down like bitches and thank you for taking their families lives and blowing peoples limbs off? are you NUTS? THEY feel justified, if i were there and had suffered under US occupation, the pictures shown of the charred us builders, would have been eye candy compared to what i would have done. How dare you complain that revenge has been taken, you dont have the right, you took lives, they now will take them back, its the law of the jungle DEAL WITH IT
Posted by: Emma at April 19, 2004 1:47 PMEmma,
It is by no means clear that the things you claim to have happened in Iraq really happened.
Meanwhile, surely you aren't condoning murder and mutilation ... are you?
Also, why do you post 9 days after everyone else? To get the last word? Well, sorry.
Posted by: Human Rights at April 19, 2004 1:50 PMthe last word? good grief don't be so damn paranoid and petty, i only discovered this site this evening, that clears that up. Do I condone mutilation? Shouldnt the question really be (if one is intellectualy honest) 'do I condone the mutilation of white american christians ' as opposed to Iraqi citizens, well I will tell you this, as Human beings, revenge is an instinct, i do not either value the lives of white christian americans, more than that of anyone else from any race or religion, 'innocent people are innocent people' I see very little by the way of 'expressions of disgust' aboutthe 50 dead iraqi civilians. This kind of scares me.
I wont be posting here again, this board isn't really my scene, and i cannot dumb myself down repeatedly in order to answer some reactionary person with inane paranoia about 'last words'
Aurevoir (and may the wind of balance and fairness blow up your collective beaks)
Posted by: emma at April 19, 2004 4:51 PMRe the "last word," Emma, you may not be aware that it is a common practice among your fellow Moslems - to come to an old dead thread and "set the record straight" unchallenged.
"Shouldnt the question really be (if one is intellectualy honest) 'do I condone the mutilation of white american christians ' as opposed to Iraqi citizens?"
No, it shouldn't, unless you give me some evidence of Americans brutally and intentionally mutilating Iraqi civilians a la Falluja.
"well I will tell you this, as Human beings, revenge is an instinct, i do not either value the lives of white christian americans, more than that of anyone else from any race or religion, 'innocent people are innocent people' I see very little by the way of 'expressions of disgust' aboutthe 50 dead iraqi civilians. This kind of scares me."
Which 50 dead Iraqi civilians? Anyway, Iraqi civilians aren't being targeted. The Iraqis in Falluja are the only ones doing that. If you can't see that, your appeals for "fairness" and implicit charges of racism ring hollow.
"I wont be posting here again, this board isn't really my scene, and i cannot dumb myself down repeatedly in order to answer some reactionary person with inane paranoia about 'last words'"
You're breaking my heart.
"Aurevoir (and may the wind of balance and fairness blow up your collective beaks)"
Likewise.
Posted by: Human Rights at April 19, 2004 4:59 PMa moslem? oh dear...have you never come across someone non muslim who cares for innocent people regardless of faith, colour or creed? how sad, but terribly common, especially amongst cerebrally challenged americans, I was born in netherlands (scheviningen), I came to Wales UK when i was five years old, I am atheist, but hold no objection nor critisicm for those who have a faith, my skin colour is white, and I am European, this is my yahoo ID lepixlet if you would care to come to a regular political chat room that i frequent you will see that I am not muslim,and if i were, I would have no reason to hide this fact...I dont care to interact this way, put your money with your mouth is and come and join a group of people where you can debate live, and basically be taught some basic facts about humanity and how forward thinking westerners should view the situation in Iraq,
salut
Posted by: emma at April 19, 2004 6:40 PMEmma,
I notice you focused on my assuming you were a Moslem, rather than just a dhimmi, but didn't bring forward a single bit of evidence for the supposed human rights abuses by Americans in Iraq.
Anyway it is precisely my concern for innocent people, regardless of faith etc., that leads me to oppose the global jihad. If you really cared for the innocent, you would oppose it too.
Posted by: Human Rights at April 19, 2004 6:45 PMRe the "last word," Emma, you may not be aware that it is a common practice among your fellow Moslems - to come to an old dead thread and "set the record straight" unchallenged.
its is precisely that assumption that makes me question your integrity, I believe you are racist, if you re read your own posts and especially the one I have just pasted above. There are an abundance of so called 'humanists' such as yourself, you see (to make a relevant analogy) stalin claimed to be a communist, we all know he didnt represent the true ideal, he just used it as a justification and a guise, what he actually was, was a total cunt. is there such a thing as a racist humanist?, no there isnt, i feel its time to change your identity to something a little more realistic, may I suggest flag toting member of the sheeple society which makes up three quarters of USA , incidentally, USA doesnt 'do body counts' you have nothing but my word and the organisations who clear up the blood bath after the US troops have opened fire on innocents, until the day you 'do, do body counts' and have some proof to the contrary, I feel you dont have a (pardon the pun) leg to stand on. capeto? night night, its late here in wales. http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1016732,00.html
I rest my case.
Emma, I'm not a racist, but your exalted view of your own intelligence is unjustified: my thinking you were a Moslem has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Islam is not a race.
Re the Guardian article: it doesn't make your case. But even if you grant that these people were killed on purpose by evil American troops, rather than in an accident by troops that are strictly trained and ordered to avoid civilian casualties at all costs, compare this to the Iraqis and Palestinians who celebrate and glory in the murder of civilians. If these troops were proven to have targeted these civilians, would anyone in America dance in the streets? No. The troops would be courtmartialed and jailed.
If you can't see the difference there, your moral myopia is terminal.
Posted by: Human Rights at April 19, 2004 8:26 PMhow many links would you like> I have 4 thousand, from the iraqbodycount.or, through to amnesty International, through to the Iraqi red crescent, like I said....you dont have a leg to stand on, and until the day your govt OBJECTS these figures of the death toll of iraqi civilians, you really dont have anything to come back at me with...http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=4103.. let me know if you want the other 4000
Posted by: emma at April 20, 2004 5:11 AMEmma, not only can you not distinguish a race from a religion; you also seem unable to tell an objective source from one that has an axe to grind. Of course your leftist antiwar sources will document all sorts of American evils. What else would they do?
I'm sorry, but I'll remain skeptical until I see something from a source that hasn't been dedicated since long before the war to opposing America in every way possible.
Posted by: Human Rights at April 20, 2004 6:53 AMIf a Bison controlled your nation, and said 'god bless America' once a week you would follow it...I have provided you with links , and i will for the third time tell you that 'America does not DO body counts' and again I wil tell you, based on that, that you have nothing to come back to me with. I have only one thing i can add to this, which i feel is relevant to you personally and that of many other sheeple in the USA, these arent my words, but representative of them...'He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despiceable an ignoreable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.
'
(and that my friend goes for anyone with any skin colour from any religion from any country)
Emma you racist tool,
I offered a critique of the biases of your sources, and all you come back with is ad hominem attacks.
What's an ad hominem? Look it up.
You should be aware of the American policy to avoid targeting civilians at all costs. Of course the opposition makes this difficult by hiding its military operations among civilians--for example, shooting from mosques.
You persist in ignoring this point and your only response is to blather self-righteously about "sheeple"?
Shame on you and your double standard, which you are so blind you don't even see. "This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once."
What are you going to do? Kill me?
"and that my friend goes for anyone with any skin colour from any religion from any country"
Except Americans, and presumably Christians and white people, eh Emma, you racist fool? Your persistence in bring race into a conflict in which it plays no part is emblematic of your utter intellectual poverty and moral blindness.
Posted by: Human Rights at April 20, 2004 8:40 AMfirstly 'ad hominem' isnt a new word for me, it seems it is for you, as you are terribly excited and somewhat neurotic about showing your 'new found buzz word' of the month.
I believe i have made my point, anything over and above this, coming from you, will be merely you liking the sound of your own voice, as Im done here.
the real threat to world peace (and this goes to anyone who reads this) is the USA.
Im going to allow you, the (pseudo humanist), the last word, as I know it means so much to you, as you pointed out previously when you thought i was a 'typical muslim' (what a bizarre comment) not to mention generalistic.
so, my thoughts and my hopes go to all the Iraqi civilians, under occupation, i hope they know that most of the 'civilised' world are on their side.
Ill leave you with a rather vile quote from a high ranking former member of the US military which still applies today 'we dont do bodycounts' General Tommy Franks
Emma, sweetheart, you've said "Im done here" before. But you keep coming back. Why? Your bankrupt morality and inhuman double standard isn't going to get a free pass here.
"the real threat to world peace (and this goes to anyone who reads this) is the USA."
If you really believe this, you are even farther gone than your confusion of race and religion would suggest.
"when you thought i was a 'typical muslim' (what a bizarre comment) not to mention generalistic."
There you go again. I never said that you were a "typical muslim." You and anyone else can go back and read what I really said, but this is another example of your careless and sloppy thinking.
"so, my thoughts and my hopes go to all the Iraqi civilians, under occupation, i hope they know that most of the 'civilised' world are on their side."
So, back to the point: you support the mutilations in Falluja? If you had been there, you would have kicked a corpse too?
"Ill leave you with a rather vile quote from a high ranking former member of the US military which still applies today 'we dont do bodycounts' General Tommy Franks"
Context, please? (What's "context"? Look it up.)
Posted by: Human Rights at April 20, 2004 9:04 AMhahahah
What a american way of thinking
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