Why am I not surprised?

Islam and hence Muslims simply are not equipped, and are antagonistic to, living in a pluralistic society. It always seems that when some critical mass is reached in a Western society, the calls begin for a Muslim country within a country and Muslim law within law.

The personally non-violent (that is, they might promote violence, but do not do it themselves) 'radicals' like Bakri and the actual jihadists are telling the truth about Islam. The so-called silent majority of 'moderate' Muslims always have the potential to become the mobs of Fallujah, in my opinion.

THE TIME HAS COME.DEPORT THESE PEOPLE TO THE COUNTRY THEY OR THEIR PARENTS HAVE COME FROM.
DO U KNOW THAT ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES DO NOT HAVE CITIZENSHIP.STRIP THEM OF THEIR CITIZENSHIP & SEND THEM BACK.
DOES THE GOVT KNOW THE THREAT OF GIVING ALL CHILDREN BORN IN THE US CITIZENSHIP? MANY ARE BORN OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS & GO BACK WITH THEIR PARENTS WHEN THEY ARE DEPORTED.THESE BRAIN WASHED US CITIZENS WILL RETURN & BLOW UP PEOPLE & PLACES.

MW: stop yelling. All block print is impolite and is difficult to read.

Having said that, why should any society allow Muslims in their midst? Bakri's statement means that, from the Muslim perspective, the laws of a country have no power, and he will not comply with them. More practically, it means that, for Muslims, the rights and protections secured by the U.S. Constitution are as nothing.

THus, there can be no national loyalty, no fidelity to any good greater than that of the ummah, however small it may be in a country. That is unconsionable. That also ought to be sufficient grounds for the wholesale expulsion of these people from any Western, Jewish, or Christian lands.

I agree Helen. If they won't swear an oath of allegiance to their host country and renounce terrorism, deport them. We don't need any fifth columnists among us,a nd I'm sure most other countries feel the same. For France it may already be too late. If their preachers are preaching death and destruction, in the mosques, arrest them, try them, and let them rot in jail or be deported. Let them go back to whatever oil soaked piece of sand they come from and kill each other. Not us, not any more. My patience is gone with these cultists who pray to a black rock in Mecca. IMHO if we destroy Mecca and Medina we eliminate the problem. Or at least it would be a good start.

Things are getting mighty hot hal, wow nelly, itching for a nuke fight are we??? Meteor worshipers, go figure.

Wonder what people think of Enoch Powell these days. Are people really that mad at muslims, or themselves for being so stupid? My father spent three years in egypt at the conclusion of WWII, always wondered why he screamed at the TV whenever this stuff was being reported on. Oh, but I forgot, he's officially classified as a bad racist, unlike the good racists who seem to possess the special ability characterise people natures according to leftist sensibilities.

We should raise an army of 100 million little piggies and drive them accross the region. Just cover everything in pigskin. It the ultimate in jihad repellent.

Helen, block print is not difficult to read and it isn't rude. You are clearly a member of the font police. As for moderate Muslims, there are plenty in my neck of the woods [London, England. East End] who have well-watched videos of 9/11 there between The English Patient and Scooby Doo...

" a "cycle of violence" has been created by both terrorists and the British and American response"

So, therefore, in their thinking, we Brits and Americans should just bend-over and take it.

Mark, you are one of those bigots who think that just because you have a computer, there are no rules binding how you present your ideas. So go ahead and yell in caps and post block text. People will tune you out.

It's amazing that this point even has to be made, but I suppose computers have comforting the rude in their adolescent eye-poking activities (and here, I thought I was on the fringe. Geez. At least my rants are formatted.)

Moderate Muslims exist in vast quantity in your neck of the woods? Well why don't you ask them where their voices are? The rest of the world has been watching and waiting for their appearance. Aside from a handful of intellectuals, and now the Muslim Council, I've seen precious few speaking up for the supposed mainstream of the religion of peace.

I agree.... Block print sucks.

From what the imam said,it is obvious that muslims should disregard the laws of the country who accepted them.
Therefore,they should not benefit from the laws that are giving them shelter.
He should have been deported immediatelly after he made the statement,together with everybody at the mosque.
If the brave and overly polite britons are not geting the message this time,they never will.

The "Koran" speaks of using words of "peace" as a strategy of warfare...to soothe the enemy into placidity, and negotiations, as a way of gaining the enemies trust. Moslems have not changed their strategies in 1400 years. All Moslems read the same Koran, and Westerners operate falsey on senseless "hope," which is defeating them daily.

Judy Weismonger

Name a single Moslem "cleric" who has made a statement that their organization or splinter group wishes to "moderate" Islam and live in the "secular" world? Name one.

To do that would state that the Koran and Allah are "comic book" figures of their imagination. It is sheer folly for any Westerner to believe that a single Moslem, or any groups of Moslems are going to change or moderate, or adapt to democracy. There is not a single paragraph in the Koran that can be adapted to Western democracy. Read the Koran and point out where Islam can be adapted to Western logic or Western democracy and I will send that person $1 million US Dollars.

Judy Weismonger

To state that Islam can live side-by-side with Westerners without Moslems having the desire to eventually dominate that country's body politic...is to equivocate that a cancerous tumor in the body won't kill its host. That is ludicrous!

I apologise for using block prints.If even one of u find it rude or difficult to read I will not do so.Lets not fight within ouselves for their are greater issues.

I meant there are

This kind of incoherence is an intractable component of modern and ancient islam. Its a cacophony of arbitrary and contradictory beliefs and practices.

Each mosque represents a microcosm of the whole, it functions as self contained entity, linked by the substantive notions of inevitable islamic supremacy, yet procedurally independent in putting such programs into action. What ordinary people have to be concerned with is how many of us are elites willing to sacrifice, before reaching their embarrassment thresholds and take action.

Look at Kosovo, another state recently hijacked by muslims, ironically with NATO's help.

There can be no doubt such attacks are being plotted in america, should they succeed, I doubt ordinary Americans won't sit around waiting for their federal government like eurabians.

If anyone from the US would care to comment on that perspective, please do so. Somehow, a foreboding sense tells me there's going to be a nationwide fury unleashed against muslims when the next attacks occur, otherwise I could be running the risk of being imflammatory.

No Bob.....I think you're right about American fury being dispensed on Muslims the next time we're attacked.....I have no doubt.

DC, could you describe in more detail? When you talk to Americans on this issue, is it explicit plans of action or, more ominously, just the nod. Are communities organizing into informal militias at this point in time? Or would you say its more rhetoric right now?

Most of my relatives are in California and have served in the Armed Services, so it always a skewed discussion; drop the big one, etc. I'm trying to gauge the spectrum of opinion in States.

I don't see Americans running around indiscriminately killing people, but that anyone identified as a muslim will have his well armed neighbours knocking at the door, asking him to explain who's in the residence and why. At least thats how it will start.

I don't personally know of any militias forming, but I've been told that there are going to be retaliatory actions taken against any and all Muslims if another attack happens. I don't know that that's the right approach, but I'm not taking part in it.

I feel that Islamists have invaded America, with an arrogant approach, and with a chip on their shoulder. I'm sure that they had it imbedded in their brains that our laws can be used against us, and that they are to work at dominating America.

I invite any of these cocky bastards to set foot in a biker bar, country bar, Mosnter truck competition, rodeo, drag or nascar race, NFL game, or anything of the sort, and start up with their arrogance, and see what happens to them.

Do these silly pricks actually think that American women, after the decades they've spent fighting for equal rights, are simply going to bow to them? If this is what they think, they're dumber than I thought.

I have just heard that Muslims will be targeted in the U.S. and this will be taken into our streets if another attack occurs. 6 million Muslims is a small amount to have to fend off millions of pissed off Americans.

I think that most Muslims, in perticular the Somalian population, have worn out their welcome here. They don't have proper social skills, and it shouldn't be up to us to teach them. They should either learn to co-exist here, ro go back home. I don't remember inviting them to our country, and in most cases, it's a shame that they're here.

I guess if any Muslim is reading this, they could consider it a caution, because many that I speak with are not going to sit still for another sucker punch like 9-11-01. I personally don't care what the rest of the world thinks about America, I love it. Anyone living here that wants to do American harm, should be severely beaten, and sent home on a leaky boat.

Bobnoxious,

I live in California, which is probably the most ethnically mixed place on the planet. Another terror attack will put muslims on everyone's shit list, except of course for the hate-America hate-the-West ship of fools.

It will take a clear, candid, complete and convincing stand by moderate muslims to completely dissassociate themselves from fundamentalist islamism and to publicly demonstarte this.

Otherwise, .......Not a good scene,

Mike H

Wow. I don't know if I'm late or if the party's getting bigger. I hope the party's getting bigger!

mw, I couldn't agree more that we must support each other and ditch the in-fighting; Helen is right, the caps are a problem, so thanks for the apology.

It seems as if everyone but Joey and Hoodie find the Fallujah incident problematic. Here are some plans:

1) We load up bombs with pig poop mixed with the same adhesives that are used in chemical weapons, and explode the bombs over Fallujah and other trouble spots until a six-inch thick mess coats absolutely everything.

2) If that's too offensive to the PC crowd, what you do is you take the pig poop, and pour it into a 6-foot deep, 20-foot wide moat dug around the place. Stir well, and keep it coming. Oh, and don't forget to point the big fans in the right direction.

MW: thank you for your fair words. (It's an old internet communication protocol that all caps is yelling.)

If everyone posting on this board is reading carefuly all the articles here,and i`m sure all do,it is impossible to miss the increasingly allarming and disturbing signs of capitulation,that is taking place in countries of western Europe.
They are almost at the point of no return.
Their governments are more concerned with not offending the muslim community,than it is to protect their nations.
If an ancient statue of an wild boar is offensive to the local muslim community(most of them illegal immigrants),the monument has been relocated to an old forgotten storage room,far from any muslim sensitivity.
If an official happened to make any comments that may have offended the muslim sensibilities,that official has to publicly appoligize or resign.
Fortunately,we americans are far from such dhimitudes eventhough the poison of the political corectness is still very much alive in our media and government.
If i would have to sacrifice my life today,this very moment,in order to rid our country of the islamic cancer,i would do it without hesitation.
I`m sure many feel the same way, and if another attack takes place here in the US,all hell will break loose.
If another attack takes place here,no mosque should be spared,the quran should be banned and all muslims should either renounce their evil religion ,or leave our country with no possibility of ever returning,under any circumstances.
God save the fools that dare to disturb the peaceful sleep of the giant,for they will all be crushed like ants.

I have seen Sept 11th being celebrated with my own eyes so I felt like yelling.I did so for sometime .I think most of u would have done the same thing.
Today I fear we will be worse than those barbarians if we ever hurt even a single Muslim.If ever a Muslim in this country is going to be hurt we should unite & protect their lives for then only can we be called Christians.We should also see that no more of them enter this country.
Mark thank u for the support for I truly didnt mean to be rude .
cubed I liked the joke .U gave the best solution & this would really be offensive to them.

Are the muslims not afraid that we would drown them in their own blood? The individual nutball might say ¨I love death more than life¨ but what about others in their communites??? They are oppressors and settlers against the Cornish within their own paradigm they have condemned themselves to death.

I for one would not rest until every stinking jihadi in the UK was liquidated ( i include all muslims as all muslims are required to make jihad - therefore they all would be liquidated)....if someone I care about was killed due to islam.......

MW is right, we cannot become barbarians who would just rush out and hurt Muslims, even if another attack happens in the US.
I would want the authorities to take appropriate steps, under rule of law -- otherwise we are descending to the level of barbarians.
Now when I consider my local authorities -- police, judges, lawmakers, etc -- I know they are not educated enough about the threat to have the will to take appropriate action. They need to be presented with the evidence we see on this site and sites like it, in such a way that they understand our concerns. Otherwise we will have no way to respond in a civilized way to another attack.

CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) is one of the worst enemies to freedom. They claim that they are a civil rights organization but they are really only a front to terrorist organizations. Some of their directors have already been arrested on terrorism charges. Their website has alerts for members to take action like write letters and send e-mails to those who they disagree with and even attack politically and or try to get them fired. Islam is not really a true religion, it is a perversion and militant Islam is really a hard core political party. Our governments try to be politically correct and they let the fanatics have a free ride at the expense of every one els's freedom. They demand rights but scream bloody murder when we take a hard look at them. They demand rights to put up their mosques in
Candada and America but they do not allow church's to be built in their countries. Are their belif's really so fragile that they have to kill a believer who wants to convert from Islam to a different religion? We give them freedom and rights only at our own expense and peril. If they hate us and our governments and our coutries so much then why dont they just go back to one of the backward countries where they came from? The reason is because they are a cancer within our societies and they can do more damage to us by being here and preaching hate. I look forward to the day when most of us freedom loving people wake up and take hard and strong action against them.