Bremer has yet to understand that Islam is not a religion. Moreover, Islam does not reject this kind of brutality against non-Islamics. It advocates humiliation. That's what this is intended to be.

Let Fallujah be razed as a lesson to Iraqis everywhere not to support terrorists.

please explain to me how raising he city will stop the violence? and dont use the they only respect violence argument because i think if you raised there city it would create a fury of violence that would spread around that country like a whirlwind and thus would be impossible to ever sustain and future support for the united states in iraq

In a world so quick to outrage and condemnation, the silence today is deafening.

Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

The world doesn't see it as an outrage when it is Imperialist Americans getting killed. Americans, Christians and Jews can be removed from the face of the earth and that will make the world better. Islam will stand alone as the dominant force of the world. When the call to prayer rings across the earth and all bow before Allah. When woman, your mothers, sister and aunts and wives are put in their proper place.

Violence against the American occupation forces is understandable and killing them by any means necessary is acceptable.

In fact putting it on the world news only insights our brothers to get more involved. The bloodthirsty news hounds play right into our hands. They advance our cause Allah be praised.

Joseph you are obviously on our side. You understand our way and make a fine tool for our work. Joseph understands he can never beat us back. We are like a great wave that destroys everything in its path and all becomes the sea. He accepts our violence in fact he embraces it because he knows he helpless to stop it. Like a child accepting his punishment from an angry father. Joseph is like so many from the west lazy and cowardly. Would rather run in the face of force then stand and fight.

So you keep your post coming Joseph. I am watching. Disregard what is posted here and continue to do our great work. For it is legions of you that will make our work so much easier.

Regards,
Satan

har har...
but really please tell me how the destruction of the city will fix the solution?

Fallujah, it has been said, is a town that "just doesn't get it."

If it's evacuated, it's residents dispersed to non-radical areas, and the city itself eliminated, that will leave one less rathole from which to continue the dream of a Ba'athist return to power.

It will also send an unmistakable message to Tikrit and other such cities. These people are the enemy, and their will must be broken. Otherwise, this scenario will be repeated indefinitely. Then, the greatest victims will be those Iraqis who would like to move forward with rebuiling their nation.

I'm not sure razing Fallujah is the answer, but it certainly should be under consideration.

No really Joseph. I am watching you.

pablo that is the same policy that stalin(allegedly saddams hero) did to the chechens he moved them all to siberia... that didnt seem to work to well. so to fix the problem we must act like a evil dictator to keep the people in line...

Praise Satan, congratulations on aquiring such a talent as our beloved JoJo.....You da man!

Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

No, Islam is a religion of pieces and intolerance.

what should be done

a. move everyone out of the city and destroy the homes and cause trigger hatred towards the american troops.

b. attempt to arrest those involved in the initial ambush and those who took part in the butchery

c. send the marines in and do massive house by house searches knowing that there is a good possibility for another big shootout similar to the one that happened last week.

d. do nothing

i personally think b. is the best option

it was 6 hours after the initial ambush before the iraqi police retrieved the remains they and the marines did nothing to try and stop what happened i guess because they where afraid to be involved in another street battle?

Satan, please allow me to rephrase myself. JoJo is truly a tool that will be a great warrior for you. He is truly, a tool.

You can't raze Fallujah, or institute other Nazi policies. Visions of Russian partisans hanging from telephone poles come to mind.

And afterall, the mob scene was not too differet than the mob scene on Florence and Normandie during the Los Angeles riots. Except the mob were dealing with already dead bodies and not live truck drivers named Reginald Denny.

What is unbelievably stupid were the Iraqis who were allowing themselves to be photographed. Hopefully, they will be apprehended and punished accordingly.

Policy should be changed. A curfew should be set. A twenty yard no entry barrier on either side of the highway. A shoot to kill policy for anyone caught breaking any rule. Restrict all media access. Basically, severe martial law.

It is what it is. Iraq was an enemy combatant state. And now, they are occupied. United States forces should treat them accordingly. They don't like us. We did kill close to 200,000 of their countrymen in two Gulf Wars. That's a lot of dead Iraqis.

These people only understand brute force.
Give them some of it,level the city with everyone on it.Period.

They must have liked life under Hussien and his fiendish son's better. This should be the last time we do this. We nned to worry about the Jihadists inside our own borders.

Yesterday proved to me that these people are ungrateful, and brainwashed. No matter what we do, it won't make them favor us. That being said, an all out self defense and retaliatory strike should be performed on this crap hole city, leveling it to the ground.

They hate us, so why are we even bothering, we have Hussein, now we should look inside the borders, weeding out the 12 million or so illegal aliens that have infested us. That which includes Islamic nut cases that want to do us harm.

Satan - Are you acknowledging that Islam is the religion of Satan? Praise be, the truth is finally told, right out the horse's mouth!

Joseph,

The evil dictator plan isn't going to work unless we plan on spending forever doing the jackboot bit. Not to mention that we're supposed to be moving Iraq away from evil dictatorship.
I wouldn't send them all to one place, as Stalin did with the Chechens. I'd scatter them among Shia and Kurds, so that they can't conspire with each other, and so that their new neighbors could set them straight if they don't change their ways. While they might all like to sneak back to Fallujah, they can't do it if it's not there anymore.

this further proves d.c. that you never really cared about the situation of the iraqi people you like alot of americans are more interested in bagging the latest arch nemesis and then use the terrible situation that those people where subjected to as a excuse to get the badguy. how can you actually care for iraqi's d.c. there majority muslim and are from the middle east two things you seem to hate more then anything...

its almost like a KKK member wanting to remove the regime of robert mugabe in africa because of the brutality he has put on his people..

and no im not saying your a KKK member i am saying that its ironic for someone who seems to have so much hate for middle eastern muslims to actually care about "liberating" them

Yes Joseph... Yes... Tell them how it is not. Lie enough and even these fools will believe you. Twist our truth and make it something new. My way is your way. We are the same.

americans care for many people, joseph. that is why we give so much money, food, and medicine to poor nations. you are confusing the conceptual discussion of warfare tactics against the enemy with societal identity. and another thing, joe: be careful, you have a demon stalking you.

JoJo......No I, really don't care for anyone that wants to kill, mutilate and string up the bodies of Americans, or anyone else. KKK? JoJo, you're not an asshole, you're the whole ass....

I'd like you to look through any thread I've posted on and show all of us where I said I hated Middle Easterners. Look away, Athiest, and send it over. It's not the fault of anyone that the people trying to kill us are from that part of the world.

Just so you know, I'm really starting to look at you as an Islamic apologist. You remind me of that attention deprived little kid that will say or do anything to get any form of attention possible......I think it's called A.D.D. or A.D.H.D........perhaps you should go see the doctor, and most likely, the dentist.

well if its just against the enemey
then why are things said like "lets just nuke the entire country" or "ALL muslims cannot be trusted"
or "these people only understand bruteforce" there generalized statements that blanket the entire population of millions of people. if by these statements you are saying "lets just nuke this entire country" and you ment to say lets end terrorism and the jihadist movement then why do you say it in a way that makes it sound like you want to
destroy islam as a whole and murder millions of its followers just because they live in mecca or fallujah and practice a religion counter to christians

Ding Dong JoJo....These aren't my words.....These are the words of others.....And they certainly have the right to feel the way they do......We don't answer to you.....circus boy.....but I'm still waiting for you to find where I said I hated all Middle Easterners.....

Don't make accusations that you can't support with anything but your feeble train of thought....
JoJo the Islamic jihad apologist, champion of all this is distorted, twisted, and untruthful.....find my words, not someone else's....I don't use the term bruteforce, I use the term ass whippin'......so keep looking..... pansy.

Lastly, this religion of peace has been showing as of late that they're anything but that, so I'm not gonna be politically correct when I speak about them, especially if it'd appease a jerkweed like you. FOAD you TOAD

And D.C. if you cannot admit you have a bias and predjudice against the people of the middle east then you are just blind to the truth of what you are. and by using the example of kkk i ment that its ironic for someone like yourself who seems to spew alot of hate towards the middle eastern society to actually care about them on a humanitarian basis because you dont. i never implied that you are kkk i used them as a example of a ironic situation if they where anti robert mugabe and where calling for the liberation of zimbabwe to bring freedom to them

Do not level Fallujah, it will not work.

The Sunni triangle and its inhabitants needs to be left right where it is. The only thing that the occupation forces need to do is to isolate the area and let it be consumed in its own hatred.

The whole area will eventually become irrelevant. Those on the inside will watch as their country men and women rebuild and prosper and their conditions become more and more squalid.

It may not be a bad idea to cut their electricity, if they have it, and also cut off their water supplies. To keep them alive, relief organizations can truck in potable water on a regular schedule, but each person that wants his or her ration has to show up in person to get it.

If they want us gone, we'll go, but just far enough to keep an eye on them.

ox Satan if that really is you.

wow you really are low class you have now degenerated into using mean names in your responses
of late...

"TOAD
FOAD
Jerkweed
Pansy
Circus Boy
Joereyha"

dude i realy want to know when your typing behind your computer are you actually getting mad at me like is it causing your blood pressure to jump because this is just a discussion with 2 people of opposing views on a situation.

JoJo....you are once again incorrect. But what else is new, you usually are. I'm not going to waste anymore of this site's text space arguing with a tick terd like you. You have the right to your opinion, no matter how much of a cretin you are.

I'd just as soon snap your back as talk to you because you don't listen to reason, and you make judgement on what we are without any basis (I see you still haven't found where I wrote what you accused me of writing). You are truly a C.L.B./ Know what that is? I'll give you a hint, the first two words are Creepy, Little. I think you can figure the rest out can't you.....ya little Muslim Jihadi?

BP isn't up...I don't get upset about jackasses like you Joey, you fit right in with the Umars, Rezas, Hood Jihadis, Amirs and all the rest of the Jihadis.....just not worth getting upset with....keep telling your untruths JoJo, Joeyrhea, Joey,.......Satan is watching, and listening.....

LOL

Hey Joseph,

You do not have an opposing view. You just decided to call DC a bigot because he sees things differently than you. An actual argument does not consist in calling names unless you are in the second grade or you are a politician in an election year. So which are you? It is so easy to dismiss a person with a perjorative--try something new--reason comes to mind.

Gracias H. Kat......You'll get used to Joey boy, he likes to try to chap everyones hams a bit....He's a mucho petito chilito

H. Katabolae:

Good idea to encircle the Sunni Triangle, cut the power, ration water, etc. Let's add a giant wall of billboards around the perimeter with pictures of the murders and subsequent mutilations. Let them know why they are being punished.

Shouls an event like this happen again, then it may be appropriate to evacuate the poulation, and level the place. Make it completely disappear with no remnant, except the ring of billboards .

Mike H

Sunday the falujan Rats Nest will reap it's reward
via the U.S.Marines and Iraqi paramilitary
according to General Valalee on Fox today..
..he stated he had consulted with the pentagon and
within 48 hours what general Kimmit says will be "overwhelming response' will begin..

Joseph, raising the city will do nothing to stop violence. However, razing the city will. The utter cruelty of the total destruction of Fallujah will cause to blossom fear and trembling in the Islamic heart.

It's a matter of understanding the psychology of the beast and dealing with him in a manner of such utterly controlled ferocity that he will shudder to even contemplate invoking American wrath. After destroying Fallujah entirely, then let us offer aid of tents, water, food, to the dispossessed. Having felt the power of American wrath, they will rejoice and be grateful for American mercy knowing that the wrath is swift, sure, total, and deadly.

Thus, the intent is to give Iraqis a choice: American wrath or American compassion. Then they will understand that American compassion is rooted not in weakness, but in strength.

Such a total destruction will break the back of the terrorist attacks in Iraq because Islamists in Iraq and around the globe will know that DON'T TREAD ON ME! means just that. No Iraqi city will want to give refuge to any terrorist because none will want Fallujah's example to come upon them. If you think Sistani, who is bucking U.S. power, won't sit up and take notice as well, trust me, he will.

Brutal? Yes. War is hell, and the only way out is victory.

Will there be a military response to the murders in Fallujah? Are your sources correct? The next few days will tell.

I hope that at the least they go in and round up everyone who was photographed at the murder scene. That should be the minimum response. Any resistance to rounding them up should be met by releasing the constraints upon American military power. Evacuate the town and flatten it, completely. Shock and awe, for real.

I agree with Helen on this. First pain, then mercy.

Mike H

Joseph, I agree with your assessment that option b is the best one, but how do you propose we should do that? It seems that going house to house is the only viable alternative. The Fallujah police won't do anything, because they are sympathetic to the ba'thists. In a recent interview one Iraqi said "We ae a tribal people. If you kill one of us we will kill one of you." They are still in the "eye for an eye" mentality. They have seen Clinton's response in Somalia (Blackhawk Down) and think like Bin Laden and others, that if they kill some Americans and drag their bodies throught the street, the Americans will turn tail and run, giving them a win. We are reaping the fruit of Clinton's withdrawal policy from Somalia. The only thing they will understand is force. The rest of Iraq is not sympathetic to Fallujah and will not cry to see them get what they deserve. Machaivelli said there are two ways to rule: you can engender respect or fear. These people do not respect us. I'm afraid that doesn't leave us many options. It's like the bully on the playground taking your lunch money. Sooner or later you have to stand up to him and fight him.

falujan rats nest smack down happenin soon..
our Brave Marine buddies gonna go house to house..pray for them tonight..this is the lynchpin..we love our Marines..kill some SOBs for me, Men...

To call them pigs, would be an insult to pigs worldwide.

Why should we risk american soldiers,for some mercenaries doing a poor job and getting killed. They knew what they were getting into.

Why Brad? Because to do nothing would be to repeat the same mistake the Clinton administration made in Somalia. Pulling our troops out after the Blackhawk Down fiasco gave Bin Laden and a lot of others the idea that all they have to do is kill Americans and desecrate their bodies for the world to see and the US will run away with its' tail between its' legs. It's the same principle as when you were a kid in school. The bully always picked on the kids who didn't fight back. Besides, if these guys were ex-SF, SF always takes care of their own, they don't leave anyone behind, and they don't leave any unfinished business.

I agree 100% if they were our soldiers.They were hired guns. You have to see the bigger picture. Right now the world sees us as the victim of an atrocity.If we go in and stomp the whole town we lose that advantage.However if we do this as a measured response,as we are doing now.The Iraqi's are giving us names and locations of those responsible,we begin looking like we are in control.The same as in Israel.If the Palestinians would stop suicide bombing and get a Gandi leader,the world would see that the Israelis are the "only" monsters in the Middle East.