Jihad in the Bible

Question: What is the Biblical view on Jihad. Did the Prophet Moses (sws) and the Prophet Jesus (sws) wage Jihad in their times?
Answer: As far as the Bible is concerned, while the Old Testament contains explicit directives on Jihad, the New Testament is devoid of them. The reason is that while the Prophet Moses (sws) was bestowed with political authority by the Almighty, the Prophet Jesus (sws) was not.
However, since the Bible we have today has been tampered with and is not available in its pure and un-interpolated form, it is necessary to interpret the directives of Jihad given in the Old Testament in the light of the Qur’an. If interpreted thus one finds a marked resemblance in these directives given by these two great scriptures.
We know from the Qur’an that the Almighty punished certain nations in history because they were guilty of deliberately denying the truth1. One form of this punishment assumed the shape of waging Jihad against them by their respective Messenger. This form of punishment was meted out by the Almighty in case of the Prophet Moses (sws). He waged Jihad to punish people who were guilty of deliberately denying the truth. A study of the Old Testament shows that the Jihad he waged was of two forms. One form of Jihad was that nations who subscribed to polytheism were to be put to death in all cases, while another form was that some nations were spared in case they agreed to remain subservient.
The following verses depict the first form of Jihad:

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations – the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you – and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. (Deuteronomy 7:1-5)

The following verses depict the second form of Jihad:

When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labour and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, and children, the livestock and everything else in the city you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. (Deuteronomy, 20:10-15)

Quite similarly, we determine from the Qur’an, on the basis of the Jihad waged by the Prophet (sws), that while the polytheists were put to death, the monotheists among them (ie the People of the Book) were allowed to live if they submitted to Islamic rule. If the second form of Jihad waged by Moses (rta) as stated in (Deuteronomy, 7:1-5) is interpreted in the light of the Qur’an, one can conclude that it must have been against those nations which basically subscribed to monotheism.
Consequently, the two books are very similar in this regard.
The comparison continues:
It is evident from the Qur’an (2:143) that just as the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (sws) were conferred the status of Shuhada ‘ala al-Nas (witnesses to the truth before other peoples), the Israelites after Moses (sws), in their collective capacity were conferred this status. In the Old Testament, the areas of Canaan, on which the Israelites were to wage war after the Prophet Moses (sws) were divinely demarcated:

The Lord said to Moses, ‘Command the Israelites and say to them: When you enter Canaan, the land that will be allotted to you as an inheritance will have these boundaries: Your southern side will include some of the Desert of Zinalong the border of Edom. On the east, your southern boundary will start form the end of the Salt Sea, cross south of Scorpion Pass, continue on to Zin and go south of Kadesh Barnea. Then it will go to Hazar Addar and over to Azmon, where it will turn, join the Wadi of Egypt and end at the Sea. Your western boundary will be the coast of the Great Sea. This will be your boundary on the west. For your northern boundary, run a line from the Great Sea to Mount Hor and from Mount Hor to Lebo Hamath. Then the boundary will go to Zedad, continue to Ziphron and end at Hazar Enan. This will be your boundary on the north. For your eastern boundary, run a line from Hazar Enan to Shepham. The boundary will go down from Shepham to Riblah on the east side of Ain and continue along the slopes east of the Sea of Kinnereth. Then the boundary will go down along the Jordan and end at the Salt Sea. This will be your land, with its boundaries on every side.’ (Numbers, 34:1-12)

After Muhammad (sws), his immediate Companions (rta) continued his mission and punished certain other nations who were guilty of knowingly denying the truth. The area that came under this punishment was demarcated by the Prophet (sws) when he wrote letters to the heads of state of certain territories in this area.

Hey Omar,

The Old Law has been replaced by the New Law of Grace. Mankind has grown up, give up the doctrine of Jihad and join the human race.

Omar:

You are identifying Islam with the God of the Old Testament. I have often wondered about that and it appears to be true.

The God of the Old Testament, that vengeful, blood-thirsty partisan tribal god, referred to by Gnostics as the 'Demiurge' was toppled off his throne by the teachings of Jesus, which are profoundly different in content and character. Compare 'The Sermon on the Mount' to the edicts of the Old Testament God. Very different.

Seems like the angry God of the Old Testament decided to get back at Jesus by annointing Mohammed as his own, new revelation. And sure enough, the tone and tenor of Islam are closely related to the Old Testament style. It's all about THOU SHALT NOT DO THIS

It's a primitive atavistic religion of blood and conquest by force. What does that have to do with a God of Love?

Mike H

Hey Omar! It's not the B'nai Brith ladies going around blowing up people, bombing churches, and yelling "Jihad!" Nor do we commit suicide in order to murder people! Those directives that were given to Moshe were just that: given to Moshe. The people he was told to get rid of were people sacrificing children (sound familiar?) No political correctness then! If Arafag goes forward with bringing Hamas 'into the fold' the number of Israelis wishing to send the PA Arabs (currently 48%) will go up. They can call themselves whatever they want - but do it on the other side of the Jordan River! Or on the moon for all I care! But not in Eretz Yisrael!

HEY Chaya Eitan WHY DON"T YOU ANSWER Michael Hartrich?? Do you accept what he says about the Old Testement.... ?

This quoting of the Bible, initiated by Omarcatso, goes to show that Islam thinks they're fighting a Holy War. How contradictory these pussies are, as they hide in Mosques. Double talking, double standard living cretins that they are.

Keep hiding behind women and children like scared little jihadis would. Looking at al-Sadr, is anyone gonna tell me that this fat ass sweathog hasn't gobbled down a few hot dogs in his day......c'mon.

Hey Omar, why didn't your Al-Jazeera show your jihadis holding a knife to the throat of the Japanese female hostage while he screamed Allahu Akbar?
How about the raping? You know your Quran allows rape and slavery in Jihad...will you approve of that too?
Maybe Al-Jazeera should show the rapes, and you can ululate over it and praise your Allah for it.

Anyway, maybe these Iraqis pictured above deserved Saddam, as much as I'd not like to think that, the way they act like barbarians makes it cross my mind.

This is a great article that describes the links between Hezbollah, the Iraqi insurgents, Iran and Syria, and helps to explain what we are witnessing today in Iraq.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1081401569112

Omar, by your own words and by your "interpretation" of the Bible, we Christians are then free to conduct Jihad against you.

We will come for you, but not because of Jihad, which is definitely not a Biblical concept. Christ cleansed us, telling us NOT to do that. However, we will for you because your refuse to recognize that there are boundaries of civilized behavior, boundaries that are pushed back, inch by inch, and in some cases even farther by people bound and determined to transform civilization into barbarism. Withdraw and you will be safe.

The Barbarians took four Italians (none of whom is a soldier) and two Americans! The British F.O. confirms that the Brit kidnapped yesterday is dead!!!

Omar.
I'm glad you consider this to be a jihad.

Then you will accept it when Christian armies destroy the mosques where the jihadis are taking refuge, and hopefully slaughter the Mohammedans inside.

After all, fair is fair, eye for an eye and all that.

PS Mohammed is a pig farmer in hell.

Latest news from Barbaryland: the four Americans savagely killed in Fallujah were apparently lured into ambush by their "assassins" posing as Iraqi Civil Defense Members!!!
Never trust them! If you trust them, you die!

David: Great post. If they want this a Holy War, they need to know that the same set of rules apply to both sides. They'll whine and bitch about it, for they live with double standards. Too bad for them.

They should've had someone read to them about the crusades. Then maybe they'd have given all this some thought, but I have my doubts they would've, their thought process is weakened by blind idiotic rage.

Islam equates to "the religion of peace", my ass!

You are right in one respect "Omar" the crusades are coming again. Just like the earlier crusades, YOUR religion will be on the losing end once again.

The idea that the OT contains instructions to wage Jihad is, to put it politely as I can, horses**t.

The Israelites were instructed to rid a *specific* tract of land of cultures that practiced the worst kinds of barbarity, e.g., human sacrifice, ritual prostitution etc., that the Israelites might not be corrupted. They were never given authority to engage in either secular or religious conquest outside of defined boundaries (corresponding roughly to modern Israel+West bank, southern Lebanon, southern Syria, western Jordan). For most of Israel's 3000 year history the Jews have adhered to those limitations, and only very rarely sought to convert others by *any* means.

Jihad was invented by Mohammad and has NO Biblical justification.

Latest news:
Coward gay Jew-Peterists are taking a leaf out of Saddam's book by covering up the number of dead civilians. Further more, cowards under cover of the night hacked and slashed to death more than 400 civilians last night. Nada Sami, a Red Crescent worker now in Qatar admitted the figure was more than a thousand since the Zionists encircled the city of Fallujah.

Hospital sources and cemetery workers confirmed 400 dead in Fallujah, 130 in Tikrit,and 50 in Baghdad. The aftermath of the night showed how the Judeo-Peterist grouped their victims together before killing them. "I pulled out 100 mutilated bodies from one house and 60 from another," said Abdul Mohammed, a villager near Nasariyah, home to about 600 families.

The secretary General of the UN awfulandass is reported to be in difficult circumstances due to lack of training to force sanctions upon white countries for atrocities they commit.

Sources close to the hood asks:
Aren't the Kurds and the Shiites the ones who picked up the guns against the Iraqi government? Why is it alright for you to commit genocide now but wrong for the alcoholic Saddam?

Judeo-Peterist are well drilled in hypocrisy aren't they darling?

Hood Jihadi--Barbarians who take up arms against Coalition soldiers or aid workers will be put down.
And no mosque will protect them...how hard is this to understand?

And your lame propaganda about civilains being "hacked" to death is just that, LAME!...sheesh you guys can't even fight your propganda war properly.
Idiots.

Do you know that Jewish people were living in Iraq, the fertile crescent, Mesopotamia, well before Mohammed was born? Do they not have a right to live where they have always lived?

Wyatt Earp once said to Ike Clanton, "the fight has commensed, get to figtin' or get away." Once again, cavemen start fight, cavemen lose fight, cavemen blame American for cavemen die.......

LOL

Confused Jew:Do you know that Jewish people were living in Iraq, the fertile crescent, Mesopotamia, well before Mohammed was born? Do they not have a right to live where they have always lived?

Hood Jihadi: With that sort of logic, then it will not be long before you make claim to New York City heh? The stupid tribe think the world belongs to them.

Hey, you were slaves, cheap labour, immigrants etc. If you want to live in Iraq, then respect the Arabs instead of constantly planning to murder them.

We already have enough of some whites who settled in the most fertile and rich lands of Africa. Just like immigrants, they came for the gold and diamond. Mugabe should not be threatedned with sanctions and such gutter filth from that white controlled UN.

Hoodie, you are a racist....settle down or else I'm gonna sick Joseph on you.....Joseph, get off your ass and let Hoodie know he's racist......he's picking on us poor uneducated white folk, blaming us for his miscalculations....

DC Watson::settle down or else I'm gonna sick Joseph ...

Hood Jihadi: You meant "stick". By the way, thanks for the holiday Peterist soldiers.

No dumbass, I meant sick, as in (sick 'em).

Hoodjob, don't try to be a teacher when you aren't willing to be a student. Cretin......

Mr Hood Jihadi,

A tyrant is a tyrant, whether blAck or white. Mugabe is a black African Fascist with no understanding or appreciation of democracy, civil rights, etc. These are core concepts of Western Judeo-Christian Civilization. Some cultures are less evolved at this point in time, but that can always change, with effort.

The Islamic World went into a long decline after its armies on their last islamic jihad agaisnt the West were repulsed at the gates of Vienna, Austria, in 1683. Just think, if they had won our California Governator might now be be called Ali Abu Schwarzen-Iman. He'd certainly be far less entertaining wearing a black mufti robe and a black towel around his head! Scary thought! And the beautiful Frauleins would all be hidden in black robes.

Look, if you believe in jihad as armed struggle against infidels then don't cry when the infidels take you at your word and proceed to defend themselves by killing crazed jihadists.

So what are your noble Islamic warriors up to today? Kidnapping aid workers!
It's sad to see innocent Japanese aid workers being terrorized by fanatical jihadists. If you approve of this then you are truly s sick individual.

Here's a riddle for you Omar:

QUESTION:

What do you call a mosque that has a preacher who inspires his congregation to kill infidels, that allows armed congregants to assemble on its premises, that is used to store amunitions, and that is also used as a place from which to shoot at US soldiers?

ANSWER: A TARGET!

Mike H

Micheal:Fascist with no understanding or appreciation of democracy, civil rights, etc. These are core concepts of Western Judeo-Christian Civilization.

Hood Jihadi: With all due respect to your claim to "Judeo-Christian" concepts if they exist because after all the Chicanos pass themselves as Conservatives these days never mind their criminal records and sexual habits.

That is ok though because it pays good ($25000/annum for every Jew in occupied territories) to be on the Peterists side. Since Judaism disowned Peterists and is still dreaming of the return of a tyrant like King Solomon. It’s hard for a pea brain like me to understand more complex issue about democracy, civil rights etc. Where was the democracy when you turned many of my people away from voting because of some Zionist database? The Jews also have democracy for Jews only in one ME ghetto, so I still can't understand why you mentioned civil rights because they certainly don't believe the existence of some humans under their highly sensitive noses.

Alan Dershowitz is a good example of a Jew involved in the Civil Rights. Of all the black people's rights he used to gain power and influence, he is still yet to admit to the injustices his uncles and kids (who personally volunteered for the IDF) are guilty of.

members of Iraq's Governing Council based on their commitment to freedom; instead, we sought ethnic and religious "diversity" in order to placate the tribal and political factions that dominate Iraq. The 25 members include: the secretary of the Iraqi Communist Party; the founder of the Kurdish Socialist Party; a member of Iraq's Hezbollah; and a leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution--a group, funded by and partly founded by Iran, advocating an Islamic theocracy.

Is this an assemblage that is going to create a free Iraq?

That's interesting.
It's written in Arabic so you need to be familiar with this language to understand it.
Who is your audience? Everybody here speaks English.
By the way, your derogatory comment towards Mexicans is noted. I know a lot of Mexicans here in the USA, and almost all are decent hard-working honorable people. You may make fun of them, but we have more in common with them than with you. Fundamentally we are all Americans; you're not. We may not like the massive illegal immigration from the South, but these people are not here to plant bombs. They're here to work.
Here's an idea for you: Get an honest job!
Mike H

Hood Jihadi, thank you for your....well, enlightening isn't the right word....ENTERTAINING, yeah, that's it...posts here. Not only are they generally mindless and bereft of any tenuous connection to logic, but they're hilarious to boot.

If nothing else, they are enlightening in one way at least: Anyone teetering on the edge of buying into the multicultural folderol that is so prevalent these days need only read your feverish rants to know that yes, there is something fundamentally inferior about islam, and yes, it's okay to admit it.

Keep up the good work; you do more harm to your own cause than the rest of us ever could.

A: Stop feeding the trolls; there's no point.

B: Why has no one remarked on Reuters ability to get photos of hostages? We ought to wonder why they are able to chum it up so much with the other side.

Carol, Charles at LGF has been calling them "Al-Reuters" for some time now, and I think he's right.

Omar, what you neglect to mention is that God gave the Israelites a specific area to occupy after he had promised it to them. There was never a command to spread their religion to the whole world and make it submit or kill everyone who would not accept it, as there is in Islam. In the New Testament Jesus used a whip to drive the money changers out of His Father's house, the temple in Jertusalem. You assume the bible is corrupted, but what you are really saying is that God is not able to preserve His word. That is blasphemy. Mohammed did not write the Koran. Koran means "recited" or "spoken", not written. To write it instead of speaking it as his angel commanded him would have been a violation of what he was commanded to do. Furthermore, there is no copy of the Koran in Mohammed's handwriting anywhere in the world, not has there ever been one. Mohammed spoke and others wrote what he said. That is dictation and no miracle. Therefore Mohammed does not qualify as a prophet of God under the laws of Moses:

Deuteronomy 18:20
'But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'

Deuteronomy 18:21
"You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'

Deuteronomy 18:22
"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
There is no prophecy in the Koran. Thus I can only assume one of two things: 1) That Mohammed is not a Prophet or 2) that Mohammed is a false prophet.
Mohammed was deceived by Satan and worshipped three female dieties, al-Lât, al-Uzzâ and Manât in addition to Allah for a time. Is there any recorded instance in the Old Testament of a true prophet of God ever being deceived by Satan?

Just a very simple comment I would like to add:
Take away all the religious "fluff", & you are still left with a very strange society, that is incapable of living in a free, democratic world.
They have contributed very little to make this world a better place.

I want to know what it's going to take before my fellow Americans decide to take action.I am ready to remove the practitioners of the religion of peace from our shores before they hit us again.I'm sure that it will take another attack the size of 9/11 but I wish it didn't.I hope the day comes that America will fight its enemies with the ruthlessness they deserve.We must crush the backs of radical islam and its supporters.

Omar-
You argue that "Bible we have today has been tampered with and is not available in its pure and un-interpolated form..." This is for all practical purposes incorrect. As one of the previous posters correctly pointed out, in order to make this claim, you have to point to an uncorrupted version of the Bible. The simple fact is that there are no evidence of the existence of such "uncorrupted" versions. Omar's claim is an old one. St. Augustine, writing in about 399 CE disputed a claim for the existence of uncorrupted copies of the Bible, writing:
“The speech of one Elpidius, who had spoken and disputed face to face against the Manichees, had already begun to affect me at Carthage, when he produced arguments from Scripture which were not easy to answer. And the answer they [the Manichees, who claimed to be the true Christians] gave seemed to me feeble—indeed they preferred not to give it in public but only among ourselves in private—the answer being that the Scriptures of the New Testament had been corrupted by some persons unknown… yet the Manicheans made no effort to produce uncorrupted copies.” (Confessions, V, 11, Sheed translation.)

In fact, there is excellent evidence that the Bible in use today is an excellent translation of that which was written. For example, the Diatessaron (a harmony of four parts) was done by Tatian about CE 160. Is a harmonization of the four gospels -therefore, all of the gospels existed by CE 160. The Chester Beatty Papyri contain all of the Gospels. Is dated approx. 250 C.E. The Codex Vaticanus contains nearly entire Bible. Written in CE 325-350 and is currently housed at Vatican. The Codex Sinaiticus is a complete copy of the New Testament, dating from approximately 340 CE. The Codex Ephraemi (400’s CE) contains entire New Test. except II Thessalonians and II John, and is located at Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris. Therefore, from existing manuscripts, we can vouch for the accurate translation of the New Testament to approximately 400 CE and the Gospels to about 250 CE.
Further, we can verify these translations by independent sources. Relying only on quotations from early (2-3 cent. CE) writers, one researcher was able to reconstruct the entire New Testament except for 11 verses. Therefore, we can with confidence establish the translations of the New Testament to within 200 years of their writing. Any corruption of the scripture therefore had to both occur in the first two hundred years and leave no trace of the "uncorrupted" manuscript.

Barb, I would contend that Islamic society has contributed nothing to modern society. There has been a conspicuous lack of input from scientists and inventors from their culture. All modern advancements, electronics, aeronautics, communications, transportation, astronomy, biology, weaponry, etc., etc. Anything you choose to examine, and nothing from their side of the world. When confronted with this failure they try and say something to the effect that "If it weren't for the Arabic number system you wouldn't have any of that". However the fact is that the numbers they like to brag about are actually Hindu in origin and were brought into the Caliphate by traders and put to use by Greek mathematicians. Modern Algebra is based on the calculations of Everiste Galois, who based his data on Greek mathematicians like Archimedes, Diophantus, Euclid, Pythagoras, et al. I believe this failure is because the Koran conditions its' followers not to question anything but to "submit", unlike the Bible which invites comparison and exploration ("Is there any God other than Me? Yea, there is none. I know not any." Isaiah 44:8). The most a Muslim can ever hope to be is a "slave to Allah", therefore they have a slave's mentality. The Koran says the moon was once a sun, and that the sun sets in a muddy well or pond, depending upon the translation. Both scientifically inaccurate. I pointed out the lack of legitimate input from Muslim scientiests and was accused of being a "racist". LOL! If only they knew. When confronted with their failures, they change the subject and try to make us feel guilty to avoid answering. They will not face the question head on, because they know it is not a question of race, as people from all races have contributed to Western society. It is a matter of culture and sadly, Islamic culture has contributed nothing.

While your advancements in Technology are pretty much growing in an exponential manner your life style and social behaviour has certainly not. And as Isaac Newton once said someting to the affect that "i have been able to see that far because I was standing on the shoulders of giants"

The former Islamic Empire - hate it or love it has certainly contributed alot while you guys were still in the sulmbers of the dark ages.

I understand all of your hate and resentment however to discredit someone in the manner you have of everything is totally unjust and fair.

There is no doubt in my mind that the west has certainly taken in the torch in the field of science and technology. However one cannot just discredit from where they got their tortch from..

Aleph, yopu said in part "The former Islamic Empire - hate it or love it has certainly contributed alot..." Please tell us what Islamic society has contributed. I have previously pointed out several passages from the Koran (i.e. the moon was once a sun, the sun sets in a muddy well, etc.) that are scientifically inaccurate of impossible. There are many more errors in it. Think for yorself. Is God ever wrong? If the Koran is wrong about scientific items then it cannot be the true word of God. Islam instills a mentality of submission (after Islam means submit) that is not condusive to scientific discovery. That is why Western societies have advanced and Islamic societies have remained in their 7th century mindset.

One suggestion--why not stop responding to the trash spouted by Hood Jihadi? Don't answer him. You won't change his crippled,stunted mind. And it just gives him more chances to spew his venimous garbage.
Ignore him. Maybe,if he has to hold all that hatred inside, his mind will implode and we'll have one less sicko to contend with.