He should've been shot on stage......another Muslim peckerwood that the FBI should take into custody immediately.

To any Muslim reading this post, go ahead, be stupid and start your little insurgence in the United States. Go ahead, fire it up.

We've been waiting for you gutless bastards to start up in the name of your psycho perv prophet Mohammad, and your Ebony stone Allah. So go ahead, start up, and give all of us the excuse we've been waiting for, for a very long time.

Listening to radical pieces of trash like this guy will get you jailed, or killed. So, go ahead. Start this infitada in our streets, and see the results from the afterlife. Pricks.

I guess he's never seen mass deportation yet, either.

This is clearly seditious.

16 May, 1918 The U.S. Sedition Act; United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff.
A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.

SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of nnot more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

He is calling for insurrection. Unfortunately the authorities don't understand the danger of this call and that this is not just some little guy mouthing off. Someone should tell them! (Goodness knows I'VE tried!) Is there anyone listening out there? Hello!!!!

Is he issuing a fatwa? If so, we are in for a rough ride.

Allow to show my ingnorance of Islam what exactly is 'intifada'?

That should have been " Allow me...". Not enough coffee I guess.

Dear zzx375:

"Intifada" means "uprising"

regards, kc

To Judy: I hear there is also a Muslim plot to disable the shift key on PC keyboards. You're right, we must stop them.

Intifada? This little shit needs a beating in the worst way doesn't he? He should be deported today. After this beating that is.

The danger with people like Hatem Bazian is that in their minds ,they believe there right and everyone else is wrong.

There have been thousands of examples of people like this guy throughout the world. His followers will usually be drawn from the young and easily impressionable college students who attend left wing universities like Berkley. Those who are most vulnerable will be those who come with a liberal ideology which is another word for no appreciation of the historic foundations of the great country that they live in --I.E.AMERICA

zzx375 writes: "Allow to show my ingnorance of Islam what exactly is 'intifada'?"

"Intifada" means blow up children on school busses, blow up teenage girls having a night out with friends, fire an AK-47 machine gun into a crowded wedding party, murder families eating their holiday dinners, blow up people eating lunch in a crowded diner making sure to stand next to the booths with children and baby strollers.

That's what "intafada" means.

Why doesn't somebody articulate these comments directly to him?

Hatem A Bazian
250 Barrows Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-1940

510-642-7792
hats@igc.org

Or, maybe his employers need to know that they've got some radical making illegal statements. Despite UC Berkeley's political leanings, I don't think they'd appreciate illegal speech.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_2_when_islam.html

Anyone who lives in a city like mine and interests himself in the fate of the world cannot help wondering whether, deeper than this immediate cultural desperation, there is anything intrinsic to Islam—beyond the devout Muslim’s instinctive understanding that secularization, once it starts, is like an unstoppable chain reaction—that renders it unable to adapt itself comfortably to the modern world. Is there an essential element that condemns the Dar al-Islam to permanent backwardness with regard to the Dar al-Harb, a backwardness that is felt as a deep humiliation, and is exemplified, though not proved, by the fact that the whole of the Arab world, minus its oil, matters less to the rest of the world economically than the Nokia telephone company of Finland?
I think the answer is yes, and that the problem begins with Islam’s failure to make a distinction between church and state. Unlike Christianity, which had to spend its first centuries developing institutions clandestinely and so from the outset clearly had to separate church from state, Islam was from its inception both church and state, one and indivisible, with no possible distinction between temporal and religious authority. Muhammad’s power was seamlessly spiritual and secular (although the latter grew ultimately out of the former), and he bequeathed this model to his followers. Since he was, by Islamic definition, the last prophet of God upon earth, his was a political model whose perfection could not be challenged or questioned without the total abandonment of the pretensions of the entire religion

Note: No one who reads this site should call or write to Bazian with threats or abuse of any kind. To do so would be to behave as reprehensibly as Bazian himself has behaved. His statements were public, and I hope concerned officials took note of them. And that's all.

Robert Spencer

Could somebody please accompany this gentleman (yes, I'm being ironical!) onto the first plane to Karthoum and make sure he spends the rest of his life in the desert!

To all: Attached is the E-mail I just sent to UC Berkley.

Subj: Muslim barker
Date: 4/12/2004 12:21:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: DCWatson37
To: hrweb@uclink4.berkeley.edu

To the staff at UC Berkley; I'm a bit infuriated after reading the story regarding a little Islamic "barker" named Hatem Bazian calling for an uprising of Muslims in the United States in an attempt to change Governmental policy.

I was hoping that this was all a joke, but it appears that it's all too real. I wanted to inquire as to whether or not this is an acceptable speech in the eyes of your University, as it threatens American security.

I'm of the opinion that Mr. Bazian has now made threats against our nation. A nation where the speech he gave would be considered grounds for severe punishment in other countries. I'd personally like the opportunity to shove my boot in his mouth.

I am in hopes that this cretin will be prohibited from making anymore public addresses in the future as it relates to your school. He's simply a perfect example of why Muslims suffer a stereotype of violence. He's a disgrace to the religion of Islam, and should be expelled from this country.

By the way, if anyone is stupid enough to follow the words of this wannabe, they should remember that all Americans need, is a legitimate reason, and an intifada would provide that reason for doing what needs to be done in order to preserve our security and freedoms. If Bazain wants an uprising, he's chosen the wrong nation to target. He should go back and play in his sandbox, before he gets more than he asked for from Americans.

This hate speech was at a peace rally? Is this correct? Peace for whom?

D.C. Watson Ohio USA

Robert,

I disagree. I sent him an email in which I deplored his speech and called it what it is: sedition.

I think everyone should now actively contact the University to complain. Also start letter writing campaigns to officials. This guy is a poster boy for an intifada here in the USA.

Mike H

The U.S. Sedition Act
"Whoever, when the United States is at war, ..."

Must that be DECLARED WAR? I hope not. Give 'em 20 years for each statement.

First, my thanks to everyone for letting me know what this goober is advocating.

Second, I doubt if emailing only this guy will do any good, so I will do my best to find out the email address of UC Berkeley's Chancellor, Robert Berdahl, and include Berdahl on the email. Should I receive a reply, I will be certain to post it. Even though Berdahl will be stepping down shortly, it will stil be interesting to see if he responds.

Thanks Michael, thanks DCWatson!
You both did the right thing!

Mr.Spencer: I concur with your suggestions regarding Hatem Bazian. Without question; He has exposed himself to serious scrutiny by concerned officials.

Michael and everyone,

I didn't say not to write to Barzian, or to his bosses at the University. I said not to threaten or abuse him. And I stand by that. But that isn't the same thing as lodging a protest with University officials, or even calling for him to be reprimanded or fired.

Cordially
RS

Mr. Spencer is correct. I'm probably one of the biggest "hotheads" on Jihad Watch. But any personal threats to this clown will be turned around on us and make it look like we're picking on some poor, innocent advocate of free speech, although we all know it goes much deeper than that.

The Ameriphobes at CAIR would look at this as a hate crime, so please, don't contact this worm.

I hope the Government has been made aware of this, and that they deal with him accordingly. I wouldn't send this goof any personal e-mails or call him.

Thanks, and respect to all.

D.C.

DCWATSON :

I think letters to the University is the way to go. Letters to the likes of Bazian will probably head for the delete button or end up in the round file.
Letters to the campus newpaper may get some play ???

I forwarded Hatem's comments to Homeland Security as a security threat. I assume that this event was monitored but tis better to not leave this to chance.

We all know what the Cult of Death wants to bring to America. Vigilance can slow it down but never stop it. The Democrats, Marxists and Jihadis have formed an unholy alliance that want to destroy America. They will continue to hinder law enforcement and use our laws against us in their war on civilization. Each of us must be prepared to focus our government on the dangers posed by the barbarians in our midst. In the end, we must be prepared to defend this nation street-by-street.

The following was emailed to the UC Berkeley chancellor's email address. I did cc Mr. Bazian on the email.

Dear Chancellor Berdahl:

I have recently had the opportunity to read remarks attributed to one of UC
Berkeley's faculty members, Hatem Bazian, at a Saturday (4/10) peace rally in
San Francisco.

The remarks to which I refer are as follows (edited for the sake of brevity):

"...Well, we’ve been watching intifada in Palestine, we’ve been watching an
uprising in Iraq, and the question is that what are we doing? How come we don’t
have an intifada in this country?...and it’s about time that we have an
intifada in this country that change[s] fundamentally the political dynamics in
here.

And we know every— They’re gonna say some Palestinian being too radical — well,
you haven’t seen radicalism yet!"

Assuming that the above quote is correct, I cannot help but be concerned that
these comments appear to advocate armed over-throw of the US government by
connecting intifada in that region known as Palestine and in Iraq with the
absence of such a phenomenon here. As we all know, events in Palestine and
Iraq have been recently characterized by suicide bombings, armed uprisings, and
deaths to many, including the innocent who have not taken part in any
hostilities.

Regardless of one's personal political points of view on current events, any
reasonable person cannot believe that anything positive comes from such
occurances as we have seen in the Middle East.

While I realize that Mr. Bazian was undoubtedly speaking as an individual, and
not as a spokesperson for UC Berkeley, his remarks still reflect on the
insttitution and all of its employees. I value free-speech as much as any
person, but there are limits to what free-speech entails, such as yelling fire
in a crowded movie theater, or what might be easily interpreted as advocating
the armed over throw of the US government. I wonder if alumni and others who
donate to the university will disagree with me.

Respectfully,

Correction: I did NOT cc Mr. Bazian on the email.

Mr. Spencer,

Has anyone reported Bazian's comments to the appropriate authorities?

CGW

Fox News is getting worse and worse. I'm convinced they're trying to get a foot in the European market by sacrificing balance in favor of tipping towards Islam and blaming Israel for everything. Not so much their television, as that is for us dumb Americans, but their web news. See this for real groveling Dhimmitude, and note how they bandy about the phrase "right wing racist" as if that's a given and anyone on the left isn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116804,00.html

Why write to the University? Their response will be "free speech" plus some genuflecting comment about "naturally we disapprove . . .". Far better to write to the US attorney's office in Calif. and ask them if this constitutes sedition and, if so do, they plan to investigate.

The Feds should at least be made aware of this Hater's speech.

Is anyone really suprised at what comes out of Berkistan? Most faculty there would be proud. The unfulfilled utopian visions in the minds of these sixties radicals has poisoned all efforts at dialog and debate. With a fanaticism that rivals hitler, they have judged the lesser beings as somehow interfering with the cause, so they now prefer to destroy America than save it. Don't you ever wonder, why are those on the left always so angry? Its about giving up their fantasies that makes them so nutty, they're emotional intolerant to reality.

I need help finding the names of other "professors" who have given similar speeches in American Universities. I know that LGF and other anti-idiotarian weblogs have published articles about it, but is there a site where I can go that will have a compilation of these names?

Thanks in advance.

Have you never seen www.frontpagemag.com.

Or how about World Net Daily?

I tried Frontpage but there are pages and pages of Academia liberal bias. They used to have a column named Academia: America Fifth Column but I do not know what happened to it. I think they must have eliminated after they re-designed their webpage. I will try World Net Daily.

Thanks!

I find it quite telling that Baian's first name is HATE EM.

The angry, small minded folk who stand there and listen to him should get jobs, or girlfriends, or hobbies or something. They're pent up angst is obviously clouding their ability to reason logically, and rationally. Instead these people become losers...as they waste time and resources attempting to gain insight into something so obvious as following the rants of an asshole bent on chaos... or worse, Islamic-facistic domination of the planet.

Let's write letters, not e-mails, to the University, the California State Attorney General, the Office of Homeland Securiry, and the FBI.

Letters will get read, while e-mail will get deleted.

An e-mail addressed to the Chancllor's Office with a CC to Hatem Baziam will make him sweat, esp. if that email informs him and the University that a letter writing campaign has been initiated to the above mentioned authoriries.

Does anyone know the citizenship status of Hatem Bazin?

Which news organizations can be contacted?

We can nail this guy if we start the ball rolling.

And, yes, Robert, We want to avoid insults and ad hominem attacks and stick to the facts.

Mike H

we need to get him on orielly so he can go the same way as al arian also a proffessor and fox or dennis miller probably would be the only ones to investigate and run this story

What would be nice is if this human hatrer could be the start of the ball rolling, which would lead to more mouthy little lunatics out there preaching hate.

O'Reilly may interested, or Sean Hannity. They tear people like this apart.

http://www.billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/community/contactcenter.jsp?

Try this.....for starters

OK. I called the Office of Homeland Security in Sacramento, they referred me to the office in Washington. The agent there referred me to the FBI in San Francisco. I spoke with their duty officer and filed a complaint about this matter. The SF FBI number is 415-553-7400. The agent appreciated the info.

Next on the list will be calls and letters to Sen's Feinstein and Boxer, etc

Mike H

Hey I bet his choice in 04 is John Kerry

What a bunch of Satanists! Its Easter and they are even forgetting to take their dogs out. Shammoon!

The trouble is, what kind of police will accept evidence from the sort of people(anti-Muslim) you are? It's like a KKK guy saying:
"Hey, I have seen a black folk round da block. He up to no good."

I called them too, but it was to warn them of future calls from people like Micheal.

Shane,

John Kerry is a combat veteran. If elected he's not going to roll over for Al Quada.

In the meantime, why not write a letter to the U of California Berkeley complaining about Hatem Bazin's speech.

It's time ti turn up the heat on him.

Mike H

Hood Jihadi:

Did you leave your name, address and phone number with the FBI when you called them?

I bet you didn't! What is your real name?

I have no problems with the FBI etc. because I believe in the Constitution of the USA and our Republican form of government.

I know treason when I hear it and I'll be damned if I lay down and let it go. Now way! Not here! If some Palestinian immigrant professor to a US tax-payer funded university wants to spread his old-world blood feud over here then I will speak out against him.

Just for your information: I opposed the Vietnam War, but this is not Vietnam. This is Islamic Fascism trying its best to make the modern world conform to its theocratic authoritarian global jihad. It won't happen because ordinary Americans like me, who usually just work and keep quiet and keep a low profile, are beginning to get pissed at the islamic hate-mongers that are trying to hijack history.

I tried to join the National Guard after 911, but I'm too old. But I'm not too old to call a spade a spade...

As for racism, I was the only white guy at my high school in Chicago to give a speech at the Martin Luther King memorial way back then. That was after the mini-riot we had at school. I was not popular for a while.

Why don't you just re=assess your position and try to think for yourself a bit more. You too can be an American if you can let go of this incredible fascist form of islam.

I hope that you will re-consider you allegiances.

Mike H

UC Berkeley should have their government funding revoked or suspended until such time as this muslim dog is removed from their faculty. I think letters, Emails and phone calls to the California state government and the federal government are in order in addition to the ones to the dean and registrar. The "intifada" The US needs is for the American people to wake up and send these wannabe terrrorists back to the lands they came from.

I see the Village Idiot Hoodjob is back. FBI has received an extensive amount of calls regarding the Hater called Hatem. HoodJob, are you completely fried in the brain or what?

You, by a longshot have been the most racist bigot on here. You foolish little man, don't you know you're swimming upstream? Why don't you go and hate the color of your own skin on someone else's website.

Satan? Who's mutilating the dead bodies? Who's doing the kidnapping? Our troops aren't firing from Churches like these savages are firing missles from Mosques. All these insurgents are like bitch Laden, hiding behind their religion, and using it as an excuse to perform dirty deeds.

Instead of being proud of your lack of accomplishments, you stiff-necked bigots should be embarrassed and ashamed. Pushing Islam with bombs, mutilations and kidnapping is only making the world want you to eliminated all the more.

You are disgraceful for sure. You want world domination, and you live in caves and huts. What's wrong with this picture?

Pushing Islam with bombs, mutilations and kidnapping is only making the world want you eliminated all the more.

There, I fixed my typo before Professor HoodJob caught the error and gave me bad grade.

Cool it with Hoodie, guys, he's just a little instigator, trying to get our goat. Don't give him the satisfaction. In any case didn't you notice that he has a "limited" vocabulary?

So does Captain Caveman

My suggestions is you all contact your congressman. That is my plan of attack.

Someone please contact Ahhhhhnold....I'm sure he wouldn't be pleased about this.

DC, Herbie, et al., Hoodie is a perfect example of a "Good Muslim" upbringing. We don't need to make a fool out of him, he's more than capable of doing it himself, as he's proved numerous times before. I think Robert keeps him here for comedy relief, like monkeys in the zoo. He is frustrated because he's failed as a Muslim. He is commanded to defend the Koran, but is incapable of doing so when confronted with the many lies and errors in it. Therefore he resorts to ad-hominem attacks, playing the race card, trying to get emotional because he can't be logical and rational, etc.

UC Berkley contacted me and said they were unaware of this jackasses speech. They acted like they didn't know him. When I get home, I'll share whsat I have, cannot access anymore today from work.

To be perfectly honest with you all, I do not believe Hoodie is black, nor do I believe he is located in the UK. He probably isn’t even a Muslim.

My honest gut feeling is he is a teenager or younger. Probably very lonely, and we give him plenty of attention here. Remember negative attention sometimes is better then no attention at all. My guess he probably doesn't get a lot of it.

He is probably a Latch key kid whose parents ignore him. I doubt he has many friends and girls don’t find him very pleasant or interesting.

I want you all to really read what he writes. I do not believe he is very old, and if he is he is not very educated. I believe the best approach to him is to just not respond to him any longer. If he is not getting what he wants here he will move on.

The real Q is whether Bazian would publically agree to support a guest lecturer at one of the Islamic universities, in say Egypt or Iran, from the Vatican or from a Yeshiva to teach the history of Dhimmitude from a Christian or Jewish point of view. Or better yet, a feminist’s view of womens’ rights under Islam? If not why not. Perhaps that is the appropriate Q to ask the University

Wild Hare, funny but I'm getting the same impression.
Herbie, I wonder if the University could be sued for discrimination for not providing equal time for one of the grouops you mentioned in response to Hatem's (Boy!Talk about an apropriate name!LOL!)"lecture".

Sorry for OT,
I very much like to see the result of this guy's drug test after the rally. Maybe US should put a pressure on war on drugs.

One definition of intifada (from intifada.com)

"Currently, the Palestinian people are being oppressed by Israel. This manifests itself in many ways; from the use of bullets and missiles against demonstrators; to the continued building of settlements with no respect for Palestinian rights; from the removal of Palestinians from their homes; to the continuos disregard for numerous United Nations resolutions."

"Intifada is simply the defense of the Palestinian people against this oppression."

Berkeley has long been a community of discourse, sometimes soundly reasoned, sometimes inflammatory, but always free. There is a difference between yelling fire in a theater and making remarks similar to the professors.

I believe Berkeley was a haunt of the unabomber once upon a time.

as a memorial here says (korean i think) freedom is not free.

I contacted the Near Eastern Studies Dept. at UC-Berkeley where Bazian is a lecturer to register a complaint about his comments and the Chair is out until Thursday. The person answering the phone said that my call was the first anyone in the department had heard of this controversy. If any of you are serious about making this guy accountable for his words and actions, there needs to be a concerted effort to make people in positions of authority aware of what went on.

Pea-nut, no one is oppresing the Palestinians here. This guy had no call for what he did. He isn't from here, yet he was educated here. He's an ungrateful slob. And by the way, Israel uses rubber bullets to break up rock throwing, Palestinian mobs. They took that land during war, or didn't they?

They should never give it back.

Here's the corespondence today with UC Berkeley:

Thank you for writing. Our office is rsponsible for non-academic
employment at UC Berkeley -- I'm not familiar with the speech you're
referring to, and I don't know whether Mr. Bazian is an academic or staff
employee.

Office of Human Resources
University of California, Berkeley
207 University Hall - MC 3540
Berkeley, CA 94720-3540

Website: http://hrweb.berkeley.edu

Thank you for the speedy response. I have attached this person's Biography, in case you've never heard of him. He made some very disturbing comments during a lecture on 4-10-04 at of all functions, a peace rally. He's one of yours. Also, attached below are his bio, are his comments. This is uncalled for, and actionable. Please forward this to the appropriate parties.

Your University is tarnished by employing radicals such as this. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Biography of Hatem Bazian

Dr. Hatem Bazian, a native Palestinian with a Ph.D. in Islamic Studies from U.C. Berkeley, and currently a lecturer in Near Eastern Studies and Ethnic Studies Departments at the same university. He has taught courses on Islam, Islamic law, Sufisim, Arabic, and Politics of the Middle East at UC Berkeley, San Francisco State University, Berkeley Graduate Theological Union, and Diablo Valley College. He is a member of the University Religious Council, and provide guidance to the community on issues pertaining to Islam and Muslims in the Bay Area.

Hatem served as Chair of the U.C. Berkeley Graduate Assembly and from 1995-1999 was coordinator of the Graduate Minority Students Project of the Graduate Assembly, through which he spearheaded statewide efforts to defeat proposition 209. Bazian was also active in the anti-Apartheid and Central American solidarity movements. In 1990, Hatem was the Chair of the National People of Color Student Coalition and executive member of the Board of the United States Student Association.

Bazian is currently a co-host and assistant producer of "Islam Today," a 94.1 KPFA, KBFB in Berkeley and KFCF in Fresno weekly magazine show covering Islam and its diverse people around the world. You can listen to his program on the web every Wed. from 1-2 PM West Coast time and on the web http://www.kpfa.org. Since September 11, he has appeared in many TV and Radio interviews and was a translation consultant for the San Francisco Chronicle on a number of stories relating to Islam, Muslims and world politics.

UC Berkeley lecturer calls for an intifada in the United States

Hatem BazianAt LGF is a transcription of remarks made by UC Berkeley Lecturer Hatem Bazian at a "peace" rally in San Francisco on Saturday.Here is a link to a video of Bazian calling for an intifada in the US, and related videos.

Are you angry? [Yeah!] Are you angry? [Yeah!] Are you angry? [Yeah!]

Well, we’ve been watching intifada in Palestine, we’ve been watching an uprising in Iraq, and the question is that what are we doing? How come we don’t have an intifada in this country? Because it seem[s] to me, that we are comfortable in where we are, watching CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox, and all these mainstream... giving us a window to the world while the world is being managed from Washington, from New York, from every other place in here in San Francisco: Chevron, Bechtel, [Carlyle?] Group, Halliburton; every one of those lying, cheating, stealing, deceiving individuals are in our country and we’re sitting here and watching the world pass by, people being bombed, and it’s about time that we have an intifada in this country that change[s] fundamentally the political dynamics in here. And we know every—

They’re gonna say some Palestinian being too radical — well, you
haven’t seen radicalism yet!

As below, make my day sir. You guys have had a hall pass now for the past 20-30 years, and the show's up now. You are all so pathetically gutless. Hide the Kalashnikovs underneath the women's skirts, use the children as human shields. Please give us the big flashpoint that will allow even the politically correct crowd to take it up. Threaten my country? Lock and load you scumbag.

Well eveyone, I was wondering, so I went fishin'.....Got me a marlin!

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HATEM, doing guest appearance with CAIR.....Have fun all.....I'm gonna see what else I can find

Intefada: literally = "shaking off".

My globe-trotting, Arabic-speaking sources tell me that they've spotted graffitti, in certain quarters of many cities on every continent, that reads: "Intefada in London"; "Intefada in Rome"; "Intefada in Sydney"; "Intefada in Moscow", why, even "Intefada in Paris"....

I wonder what CAIR has to say about This Idiot? Or are they defending his 1st amendment rights rather than condemming.... wait a sec. He's Islamic, they aren't About to condenm.

We need to send these people (Islamic Fanatics)the way of the Stalinists and Nazis.

The Chair of Near Eastern Studies Department at UC Berkeley is:

Daniel Boyarin
E-Mail Address: boyarin@socrates.berkeley.edu
Phone # (510) 642-6000

Please post this information all over the internet where you think it will generate action.

My question is how come the FBI has not taken action?

CGW:

I will contact the Near Eastern Studies Department tomorrow.

I also emailed Hatem Bazin and let him know that I've forwarded his comments to the FBI, etc.

Is he a naturalized citizen?

Mike H

gary, I think the PC term is "Islamofascists" ;-)

D.C. Watson:

In the "Community Banquet" announcement it indicates that Bazian is a professor at Berkeley. However, although faculty contact information is given for him on the Near Eastern Studies Department website, he is not listed as a professor, associate professor, assistant professor, or even as a lecturer. I don't think he can possibly have tenure. Does anyone else have any information on this?

I just emailed the Head of the Near East Department, with a CC going to Hatem Bazian.

Keep sending emails, letters, etc.

Mike H

Hal~ *nods* you are quite right. I think... PC? I thought PC was 'peaceful religous leader.' *lol*

But yes, that fits in with the Nazi idea. Thanks!

i think i figured out who hoodie is. he's that bugged eyed goon that's always standing in back of calypso louie farrakhan wearing the foi hat.

To anyone who might want to contact the University, I went right down the chain of command and contacted by phone the Chancellor's office, the Dean of the College of Letters and Science, the Dean of the Arts and Humanities Division, and the Chair of the Near Eastern Studies Department. (All of the phone numbers are listed on their website.) Everyone I spoke to seemed interested, took down all the information, asked for links to the video, and said that someone would be looking into the matter. The Chancellor's Office was the only one with any prior knowledge of the issue. The phone calls seemed to make an immediate impact - I can't help but think that more calls will make more of a difference in calling attention to this.

Oh my. Has anyone contacted / sent this info to the Southern Poverty Law Center? I'm Absolutely Certain they'd Love to list this as Hate speech on campus....

This is about the borderline of FREE SPEECH and incitement to violence.
We may be outraged by PUBLIC statements but we have to control our anger and not sink to their level. otherwise we may end up as biggoted and prejudiced as they are.
Perhaps by challenging such pepole to public debate we can expose the folly of Universites in giving them publically funded air space.
Sami Al Arian and others have been tolerated in academia for too long. The real shame is that the universities have done virtually nothing to remove these Isalmofascists from their Midst.

Their excuses lie in the arguments of freedom of expression.
When are we going to start defining these precisely ?

David,

Check out the U.S. Sedition Act of 16 May 1918 as provided by Herbie NY,NY above.

Apparently Dr. Hatem Bazian has been lecturing at campuses all over America as a Palestinian activist. for years.

Dr. Bazian, a professional instigator, in the same vein as the professional protestors that just show up at all those marches. I wonder who is funding him and where he might be "invited to speak" next.

More E-mai from UC Berkeley:

Subj: Re: Muslim barker
Date: 4/12/04 7:21:04 PM Central Daylight Time
From: hrweb@uclink4.berkeley.edu
To: DCWatson37@aol.com

Thank you for writing back; I did research him further. He is a lecturer, and our office handles nonacademic employees as I mentioned. However, I've alerted the Office of Public Affairs to the situation. Since several of the emails on the Internet site I reviewed mentioned writing to the Chancellor, I'm sure that the individual's department is aware of the situation by now.

Thanks

D.C.

Bravo D.C. I received an earlier similar reply, but without the additional information about the notification to the Chancellor and Department Head. I wonder if we will have to follow this man's career from university to university before any other kind of action will be taken.

I cannot help but deeply suspect that such sentiments like those of Hatem has intimidated and influenced France in regards to it's stance on the Iraq Crises.

His call for an uprising here in America is also a direct threat to the democratic process and a defacto call to hijack it, in favor of a rule by a hysterical and hateful minority.

This guy has a P.H.D. in Islam, which just goes to show you that even among the most educated Muslims; they have a distain and contempt of democracy as driven by their religious motivated hatred of all of humanity. Hence the culture of Jihad.

At a tense time like this between the Muslim and Western Worlds, somebody like him should be preaching aginst stereo typing Muslims as violence prone faniatics. Instead, he lives up to the stereo type!

Thanks to everybody for the links, phone numbers, email contacts, etc.

The University will get a lot of input tomorrow!

Goodbye Hatem Bazian. Good bye and Good Riddance.

Mike H

The most qualified to take a hard look at this matter,and to take an even harder course of action on a large scale,is Bill O`Reilly.
We have to bring this matter to his attention and let him take care of it,the way he did with Ariani.
This Hatem character should be deported immediately and without any kind of legal proceedings.
If a westerner made such a comment in say,Saudi Arabia,he would have been beheaded on the spot.
Unfortunately ,in a civilized society such as ours,we cannot do that,but what we can and should do,is to expose these fanatic potential murderers and to put pressure on the parties that are sponsoring and supporting them.

I have taken a lot of this information and sent it on to a friend of mine in Alaska who is a former cop and has some very good connections. I hope you people have also sent this out to everyone on your e-mail lists and asked them to do what you've been doing. I'm in Israel so it's difficult for me to pick up the phone to call the FBI or the University of Berkeley. But I did send the article (which I first read on World Net Daily) to all the media and everyone on my mailing list.) It is outrageous that these people can get away with such statements!!

To me it seems like Fox News Channel is our best bet for getting this brought to the public's attention. I e-mailed both Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly's shows but of course a flood of e-mails (or phone calls) is the only thing that might get their attention.

Is anyone else still as worked up about this today as I am?

I sent a copy of this article to Honestreporting. They have many people who will write if they decide to include it in their action letter.

I contacted the Public Affairs Office at Berkeley and the spokesperson told me that since Bazian's comments were made off-campus, there is nothing that they can do, it's outside of their purview. If governmental authorities determine that illegal activity took place (seditious statements not covered by the First Amendment) then that process would have to run its course before the University would act.

We can't just let this guy get away with this. Is there any organization that would be interested in and capable of running with this thing?

I suggest you also all contact your local media: tv, radio and newspapers. Don't let this die out! Keep up the pressure!!

I e-mailed this story to Bill O'Reilly. Maybe Frontpagemag and WorldNetDaily can do something with it.

Since this little racist does guest speaking for CAIR functions, I'll send it to Anti-CAIR to see if they'll do something with it.

good going d.c. i emailed the story to pat buchanan at msnbc.

Buchanon should jump all over this. Everyone is right though, this little puke shoud never be allowed to get by with this. And, the more people that know, the better.

Perhaps CAIR needs to be notified of this loon. He has been guest speaker for them. I'm sure if they knew he was making statements like he made on Saturday, a fine organization like CAIR would drop him like a hot piece of goat meat.

Let's give it a shot. Here's CAIR's link.

http://www.cair-net.org Now, I must warn everyone, their website starts off by saying "Building a better America, One member at a time." Try to not laugh too hard. Consider yourself warned. LOL

I sent an email on 4/12 to the UC Berkeley Chancellor's office, but have received no reply from there. Has anyone else?

I did receive an email from some guy in CA who used words like libel, inappropriate, and that my remarks were "inconsistent with American values of freedom and tolerance". Maybe he's lurking out here.

zzx375

I emailed the University Near East Studies Department, but no reply.

However, I did call the FBI and also let Hatem Bazin know by email that I did so. Time to start a file, if one hasn't been started yet.

Mike H

ATTENTION JIHAD WATCH TEAM--

For those of you in central and northern californis --KPFK 1530 Sacramento --nite talk live is discussing and playing the shocking words of Harem Bazian at the time of this comment --now 7:20 pm --- this is the former station of Limbaugh and tom sullivan and has a very very long reach---

I did receive an email from some guy in CA who used words like libel, inappropriate, and that my remarks were "inconsistent with American values of freedom and tolerance". Maybe he's lurking out here.

Posted by: zzx375 at April 13, 2004 09:47 PM

Libel? Inappropriate? No...this clown said what he said, and he must be called out for it. ZZX, you found a lurker, maybe another Palestinian or a terrorist supporting group posing as something else. Whatever, Hatem the "Hater" should be held accountable for his bullshit speech, and expelled from the country that's given him the comfortable life that he apparently doesn't appreciate.

Let him go back to the Ghetto....his homeland.

libel is only evident when a statement of fact is made in writing that is, in fact, false. the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. in this case, this man's own words have been recorded. this is a fact. there is no libel.

don't buy this drivel about not being consistent with american values. true patriots know what american values are. poseurs have no shot with their nuanced mind games of vacuousness!

to s.a.: after more thinking about your request for disturbed professors, a few more ideas crossed my mind.

http://www.thefire.org/ -- this is a site of an organization that is a watchdog for breaches of first amendment rights on campuses and takes legal action against universities. they may have some references to specific departments/professors if you delve into their site.

also, mike adams is a professor who writes columns for www.townhall.com. one column in particular (from this past november) about a professor at u.n.c.-wilmington who bragged she had terrorist friends was very interesting (in fact, she got a lawyer and threatened to sue the student newspaper for publishing her words):

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20031110.shtml

you can find all of his columns at:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/archive.shtml

perhaps, s.a., you can collect the names of these outrageous people, and then we can have them posted in a story on jihadwatch.

I have e-mailed this story to Fox and to Buchanan.
I will also w-mail it to ACAIR.
The most probable answer they will come up with,is the freedom of speach and the university will say Hatem did not speak on their behalf.
However,if enough noise will be made about this story,i am sure that more incriminatory information will come out about Hatem.
If it was up to me,i would hang this guy by the neck until death,in a public place and broadcast it on national tv...or i would turn him into a pig ,this very moment.

1) How about sending Hate Em's statement to Drudge and/or Savage?

2) In a perverse sort of way, it would be interesting to see what the response to an attempt at intifada would be in this country. Some sort of conflict will eventually hit our streets anyway, since our policy makers are such slow learners about Islam.

3) Robert Spencer for President!

What about Hugh Hewitt? He might find this sort of topic interesting for his radio show. www.hughhewitt.com

Can I get everyone's opinion on resending e-mail one additional time to Bill O'Reilly and/or Sean Hannity regarding Hatem the Hater's comments? I don't want to irritate them, but I realize that President Bush's address was the most important topic yesterday.

Please let me know what you think.

advice for d.c.: it's probably better to follow up with a telephone call and have one of their assistants confirm that the email has been placed on their desk or that they have read it. if you're frustrated by the lack of air time on the story so far, i would suggest sending it to more outlets as opposed to re-sending it to those it's already sent to.

more for d.c.: in fact, john gibson and britt hume at fox may be good people to send the story to. for good measure, i've sent it to dennis miller already. mancow in chicago may be a good outlet as well. also, the washington times and the new york post.

update: pat buchanan has confirmed that he has seen the email.

To address this question once and for all: Freedom of Speech as outlined by the First Amendment is not absolute. If Bazian's comments are determined to be seditious (which I believe they are), then they are criminal and "tolerance" has nothing to do with it. His comments are not protected speech.

ted:

I'm glad that Buchanan has confirmed receiving the story, but MSNBC has low viewership as compared to Fox and CNN. Can anyone confirm receipt of the story by any other outlets/personalities? I've e-mailed also but haven't called for confirmation. Has anyone tried Limbaugh?

D.C.:

I say blitz 'em. The risk of irritating them is miniscule compared to the potential ratings bonanza.

Mackie,

Thank you for putting a big smile on my face about the radio story. Hope lives!

Michael Hartrich:

When you called the FBI, did you give them the link to the video? When I talked to the various Berkeley offices, they were interested in access to the video as evidence that my complaint was valid.

OK Gang, being an impatient person, I am frustrated that I can't locate a phone # for Fox News.....I may be looking right at it, but I don't see it......Please help, so I can call them to verify the e-mails were received.

The # for the San Francisco FBI field office is 415-553-7400. If anyone that has a link to Hatem the Hater's speech, please call and ask for the on-duty agent.

Thanks,

D.C.

fox news telephone numbers:

212-301-3000

888-369-4762

good luck!

D.C.:

The number I found on their site is:

1-888-369-4762

At the bottom of their homepage is a link that says "E-mail shows" and I found the number on that page. I haven't tried it yet, though.

"If anyone that has a link to Hatem the Hater's speech, please call and ask for the on-duty agent."

I just tried the link in the piece here and it is still working.

RS

I just want you all to know.. you guys rock!

Thanks Robert....Thanks to everyone for the phone number. I called Fox News 1:28 pm, they said as long as the e-mails were sent to O'reilly Factor's e-mail and there was no return to the sender, then his staff has received it.

I guess we can keep resending and try to load his e-mail up with the same story. I'll go ahead and resend it. I sent the story to Anti-CAIR as well, as Hater does speaking engagements that are sponsored by them.

Thanks to all.

D.C. Dub

Sponsered by CAIR that is, not Anti-CAIR....

Sponsored....jeez. My brain is fried.

I called the FBI San Francisco office and provided the on-duty agent with the actual web address of the video link. He said that he wasn't sure whether or not someone there had it already but he wanted it again anyway.

The amount of postings that this article has generated it`s really impressive and it shows that there are still people who care about the future of this country.
All of our postings ,our comments and e-mails,telephones and letters will eventually instigate a response from the media.
Let`s just hope that something good will come out of this and action will be taken against Hatem and all others like him,that are abusing our country and got away with it,so far.
My guess is that if this will get any media coverage,the CAIR will also get involved and they will play the eternal muslim excuse of "taking things out of context","the word Intifada having been used in a metaphoric way",just like the word Jihad meaning an inner muslim struggle to better themselves,blah,blah,blah.
They may also play the "racism" or the "discrimination against muslims" card.
I also have to add the fact that this forum is rapidly changing from a reactive/informative entity,into a proactive,more agressive one....which can only bring about the kind of changes that we are all waiting for.
On an individual level none of us can do too much,but if we are perseverent and united,we can make a difference.
Spread the word,and keep it up!

adela:

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think that a lot of us want to ACT but feel that we are thrashing around, brainstorming, looking for contacts, trying to guess what to do next. I would love to see some sort of guiding framework in place that would give newbies like me a better idea of how to really make a difference. Power in numbers, right?

I copied and pasted World Net Daily's version of this story and sent it to O'Reilly today, can anyone send the link to him. We should be able to swamp them enough to see the same topic coming up in many different e-mails to them. The address is

oreilly@foxnews.com

Thanks

D.C.:

I sent the link to both O'Reilly and Hannity.

alright! one more for the road! i just emailed this stuff to michael savage. seems as it happened in his neighborhood (that wonderful city of my childhood) he should be informed.

Great.....good job all.....I sure hope they run this....

Michael Hartrich:

When you wrote to Hatem Bazian, I hope you included a copy of the U.S. Sedition Act; that should at least slow him down from crying "Free Speech!"

If anyone wants to send him a copy, it can be found at:

www.goodmorningmaine.com/Sedition%20Act.htm

It might even scare him a little ...

CGW:
When I spoke with the FBI office in San Francisco I did give them the link to this site, but not the specific link to the actual video oh Hatem's speech. I did let the duty officer know where to find it.

It's great to see lall the response to this article. It Can we set up a specific HATEM BAZIN follow up site? We need to keep on this and not lose focus.

Thanks to everybody who made calls, sent emails etc.

Mike H

CGW:

I did send him a copy of the Sedition Act.

Mike H

Here is an online letter you can sign and have sent to the Chancellor of U.C. Berkeley.

http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=5572566&type=CU

Sorry I don't know how to create a link.

thank you, chaya, for the link. i responded and forwarded it to friends along with this jihadwatch link as well.

I noticed in newer stories about Bazian that they are calling him a "professor". Having a PhD does not make you a professor, that's a job you're hired for. From what I could determine, Bazian is just a lower-level instructor. Let's not give him more status than he deserves.

i sent the material to the editor of "the federalist"

This moron from Berkistan has forgotten/to stupid to grasp, one very important fact: The United States of America is one of few if not the only whose general population is armed to the teeth. Out here where I live, most families have 8 or more weapons with plenty of ammunition to go. If they really think they can start something, go for it! You may start it BUT we will finish it. One shot One kill. Americans have always been good at guerilla warfare, we don't play fair.

I've been trying to contact the Near Eastern Studies department at Berkeley by phone (remember, this is the first day back at work for the departmental Chair since the controversy) but I can't get through, it's constantly busy. SOMETHING must be hitting the fan! :)

I just confirmed with Berkeley that Bazian is NOT a professor. Let's please stop calling him that - it gives him some measure of status and respectability.

Hello to all. I have been reading this site for some time, but this is my first post. It concerns Hood Jihadi. Does anyone know in which prison he discovered his true religion?

i just typed "Hatem Bazian intifada united states" into google and got 99 hits.

the story is getting out there!

ted:

I did the same and the first thing that came up was a "Defend Hatem Bazian" site! Here's the address:

www.indybay.org/news/2004/04/1677394.php

zzx375:

Bazian posted your letter to the Chancellor along with your name and address at the above site. Careful!

careful nothing! he's calling for an uprising in my country. he's got problems. not me.

way to go zzx375. we're with you all the way. worse comes to worse, we'll make a citizens arrest and charge this guy.

by the way, c.g.w., the reason that site came up first is because these people have hijacked google's algorithm and are now placing its i.p.o. in a questionable position. read about it in today's new york post:

http://www.nypost.com/business/18826.htm

TDog and everyone:

I found it astounding that when TDog spoke to Chancellor Berdahl about Bazian, he seemed surprised. I myself - and many others who've so noted on this site- have called and left messages and e-mailed letters and copies of the article. Someone must have intercepeted A LOT of material for this to have been the first Berdahl heard of it (maybe the same person who got a hold of zzx375's letter to the Chancellor and posted it at the "Defend Hatem Bazian" site, along with zzx375's name and address).

I suggest that anyone still interested call and speak personally today to the Chancellor and the Deans of the College, Division and Department which employ Bazian. The article posted by pea-nut said that Bazian's work at the university was being "challenged". Let's keep that up.

FYI:
This is my first time to this site and just wanted you to know that Glenn Beck was talking about this and will continue to talk about it again Monday on his show (4/19/04). Go to glennbeck.com to see his affiliates.

This guy's case:
Intifada = Vocal resistance

Don't get too excited.

with all due respect, deanku32, nonsense!

americans will not drink the kool-aid of islamofascist doublespeak. berkeley might, but they're beyond the pale anyway.

c.g.w. -- there is a really funny blog at the defend hatem site. i paste it below for your reading pleasure:

"We Offer a Separate Peace to Berkeley
by Osama Bin Laden Thursday, Apr. 15, 2004 at 5:00 PM

"Blessed be those who have joined us within the cloak for our greetings be upon them united against the oppressors. Hatem Baziam is a clear brother in our struggle to spread violence, hate, and Allahs retribution among the monkey spawn of Zion throughout the world.

"We are therefore to offer peace to the people of Berkeley if they will support our ally and brother Hatem Baziam in his struggle against imperialism, sparing your water supply from the sacred holy mold of retribution and your streets from miscellaneous exploding Arabs and Muslims who may appear there as our emissaries.

"Please have representatives of your area contact us through International ANSWER, supplying zip codes so that we can know which areas will be spared by my next Fartwah.

"Long live the Intifada which kills many more Palestinians than Israelis. Blessed be the martyrs who have lost Palestine even more land than they were offered by the blessed Bubba. Praises be to those who have converted the entire West Bank into an impoverished pig sty by prolonging the violence in this hopeless cause."

After studying the Koran for the past 2 years, reading about Islam, interpreting statements from Muslims I have one conclusion: Islam is NOT a peaceful religion. The Muslim understanding of "innocent" doesn't relate to what most of us would expect. Quite clearly "Innocent" is someone who has had Islam explained, has been shown Islam, but does not agree to give his/her life to Allah. At that point, the "Innocent" becomes a "non-believer" and can be killed, burned, tortured, etc., according to Islam.

Non-believers (Non-Muslims) need to understand that Islam is NOT a peaceful religion, and deal with Muslims accordingly. Muslims who buy the Islamic views of non-believers are sly, backstabbing, lying murderers.

ted:

Thanks so much! I loved it!

I do believe that INS maintains a list of every passport for every foreign national who enters this country.

I just want to remind everyone who may have any inclination to agree with individual,

America has rounded up and put foreigners in concentration camps for a number of years due to security and espionage. Just ask the Japanese how they know.

The Patriot Act is getting pretty damn close to it. But for now it just precedes it...

Barzian should leave the United States and move back to Saudi Arabia where he came from and stay out of my country.

Actually, all of his kind should go back home where they came from. Their attempt to indoctrinate young impressionable college minds is something only Satan himself would take pride in doing.

just typed "Hatem Bazian intifada united states" into google and got 269 hits

Truly sickening. Nauseating. Surreal. The UCB needs to really evaluate what it is that they are teaching american kids, OUR future leaders.

wow! Ignorant Zionist in action pretending like they know what intifada is.

to lilchristianguy: the empirical evidence belies your political bias and willful acceptance of left-wing propaganda.

just typed "Hatem Bazian intifada united states" into google and got 309 hits

Call Berkeley campus police.
510-642-6760

Anyone thought of sending a letter the Cal's conservitave club. They hav an excelent newpaper that circulates all across the state, I've read it , it's outstanding.

great site

This man is NOT a muslim. muslims would NOT commit in infanada, for it is against Islam. As you can see, this man has CLEARLY misinterpreted the message of Islam. i pray that you do not think of him as an example of a muslim.

thanks

The intifada? Let them blow up berkely.

just typed "Hatem Bazian intifada united states" into google and got 338 hits

So let me get this straight here...

The radical left wing students of Cal Berkeley who loathe the United States, rationalize why they shouldn't have any sympathy for American soldiers being killed, agonize day and night over the pain and suffering of anyone who is not Amercan, supposedly delpore violence and DESPISE religion....

Are ready to particiapte in an INTIFADA?????????

Ah... ok... basically this hypocrisy pretty much nullifies the need for any further discussion.

To sum up their position for any who are new to the issue:

-religion is evil
-the "rich" are evil (rich being defined as anyone who works for a living and makes $100k per year EXCEPT the parents who support them)
-Christians are evil
-Jews are evil
-white males are evil
-violence against any foreign citizen is evil
-cutting down a tree is evil
-having a pet dog or cat is evil
-driving a car is evil

Their answer to "cure" the above evils is to parcitipate in the most radical expression of violence ever conceived by the most demonstrably radical and violent religion practiced by allegedly modern humans - Islam.

Great job to the deluded left wing neo-socialist masses of the Peoples Republic of Berkeley! You have succeeded in demonstrating to the rest of the nation just how rabidly insane you've become.

And to the Muslims trying to fight the good fight and, as usual, represent that this professor and his foaming at the mouth followers "don't represent the REAL Islam", I would advise the following. Whoever it is that DOES "represent the real and peaceful Islam", you'd better get them talking.

Because right now, as far as any neutral observer can tell, the public face of Islam is basically Osama Bin Laden, Yassir Arafat, the radical clerics calling for the overthrow of the UK, and this professor and his buddies. Farakahn is starting to seem like "reasonable Islam" at this point. Where are the voices of peace? They're pretty damn silent!

And for the record, I am a pro-choice, pro gun control, pro gay marriage, anti-capital punishment, rabid free speech proponent atheist. If you people (the neo-socialist masses of California and the "Islam=Peace" movement) can't win ME over, you've got some REAL PR problems....

I call for jihad against the hatred expressed in this forum. I call for jihad against the threats of violence in this forum. I call for jihad against the evil impulse that blinds reason and kills peace. bismalla al rahman al raheem.

to matt: as it sounds as though you are either young or a sniveling lefty or both, we'll go easy on you and not forward your blog to the authorities.

just typed "Hatem Bazian intifada united states" into google and got 387 hits

dear ted,
what exactly would you tell the authorities about me when you call them?

Is it no longer legal in this country to denounce hatred and threats of violence?

to matt: it never has been legal to advocate violence against americans [refer to law about sedition as posted in one of the early blogs on this thread]. "jihad" is violent holy war. if you have any question in this regard, just turn on the news and watch the carnage of jihad all over the planet. it is in this same context that many bloggers here are condemning and very upset with hatem bazian. the intifada in the palestinian/israeli conflict now has a death toll of around 4,000 in 4 years. for bazian to call for intifada here in the u.s. as a natural progression of his advocacy for intifada in palestine/israel and his support of the enemy in iraq is tantamount to fomenting civil violence in our country. understanding that doublespeak is psychological manipulation will save the individual from the totalitarian tyranny that the islamofascists are perpetrating -- whether it be the easily recognizable terror tactics of organizations like al qaeda or their apologists who would seduce the population psychology through their false pretenses of peace when their underlying theme is violent overthrow of our government, society, and culture. i give you the following snippet from yesterday's "federalist chronicle" -- the online newsletter with the largest distribution in the country:

The "Villagers" are getting restless: "Well, we've been watching the intifada in Palestine, we've been watching an uprising in Iraq, and the question is that what are we doing? How come we don't have an intifada in this country? Because it seem[s] to me, that we are comfortable in where we are, watching CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox ... and it's about time that we have an intifada in this country....They're gonna say some Palestinian being too radical -- well, you haven't seen radicalism yet!" --Hatem Bazian, a native Palestinian with a Ph.D. in Islamic studies, and University of California at Berkeley lecturer in the Near Eastern Studies and Ethnic Studies Departments, confirming that "peace" demonstrators are really fomenting Jihadi terrorism.

dearest ted,
Admittedly, "jihad" can be a call for violent holy war. But certainly a man as well educated as yourself is aware of "jihad's" more traditional meaning of an inner struggle. Given the context of my statement "I call for jihad against hatred... jihad against threats of violence..." it would be difficult to apply the first, more provacative definition. How exactly would one fight a violent holy war against threats of violence?
We must struggle against violence and hatred whenever possible. You saw that I used a word (jihad) and presumed to tell me that I advocated violence despite my clear meaning to the contrary. I note that many in this forum are quick to presume what is meant by others. I have seen the same exact excerpt of Mr. Bazian's statement everytime it is quoted. Could you please forward me his entire speech so I may judge for myself whether his statement is a call for violence. I admit that I find the excerpt disturbing, and if this man is advocating violence then I stand by you in condemning such a statement. I hope that you will stand by me in condemning those who advocate violence with statements such as:

"He should've been shot on stage."
"this little shit needs a beating in the worst way."
"I'd personally like the opportunity to shove my boot in his mouth."

please join me in my jihad against ALL hatred and ALL threats of violence. bismalla al rahman al raheem. peace be upon you.

(I meant "inner struggle" that time, too.)

Matt:

Watch and listen to Hatem Bazian for yourself: the link is in the second paragraph above.

matt,

admittedly, the quotes you pointed out are rough. however, we are at war. americans have a compelling interest in defending themselves. let's not forget that jefferson shot a traitor on the lawn of the whitehouse. (even some of my own blood relatives were hanged for an insurrection that potentially could have destabilized america to the point of great consequences -- you may have heard of john brown and harper's ferry.) bazian is on the side of the enemy. it's been said (can't remember by who off the top of my head, though churchill seems to ring a bell) that "you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you." while calls for peace massage all of our minds with utopian butterfly moments, in the pragmatic world, they do not address the situation at hand. i have always held the belief that the sophistic blame-america-first peacenik crowd would do better to sell their message of peace to the enemy rather than criticizing those of us who are protecting them on their intellectual free-ride at the expense of western civilization.

as far as defining terms, i would suggest you pay more attention to what goes on at jihadwatch -- not just this thread which seems to have a life far beyond others -- and you may discover that "jihad" and "intifada" are not silly euphamisms for some kind of buddhist-like meditation, but are indeed terms that are meant by many to directly refer to violence and war. it is a willful act of naivete to co-opt the "peaceful" definitions into one's vernacular in order to criticize the patriots.

might i suggest reading the following story and thread, and then check out some of today's stories and threads:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001671.php

Dear Ted,
After doing some independent research, I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Bazian advocates neither violence nor terrorism. I believe his statements at the peace rally were inflammatory and irresponsible. I condemn those statements along with the more inflammatory statements made by some on this forum.
I caution you, Ted, to beware of manipulation of speech by those with a political agenda. I note your excerpt from the federalist chronicle above omits the phrase "changes fundementally the political dynamics in here" from its synopsis of Mr. Bazian's speech. To what end? I also note that the quote you attribute to Mr. DeGenova merely has him saying "a thousand Mogadishus." The rest of the quote is a reporter's interpretation of Mr. DeGenova's statement. Maybe he did essentially say all of those things. I was not there. But there are those on this forum, those you refer to as patriots, who seem eager to hear objectionable speech. I believe this eagerness may lead them to occasionally misunderstand certain statements. It also leaves them vulnerable to manipulation by those who chop up and misrepresent statements made by genuine and peaceful muslim activists. I know there are some of this forum who might be of the opinion that muslim activists cannot be peaceful. I find this opinion to be regrettable. I appreciate you taking the time to read my posts and respond to them thoughtfully. I believe calls for peace will address the situation at hand as soon as we allow it to. I will continue to sell my messege of peace to anyone who will listen.

There should be legislation against the hiring of foreigners, particularly dangerous foreigners like
Bazian, in American universities and colleges. They do NOT belong in this great nation, they have done NOTHING to even EARN living in this great nation, and if I were President I'd round up every Mulim in this country, put them all on French planes and fly them all to Saudi Arabia where they can worship their puny little Moon God named al-Lah and kill each other off. Barbarians.

Dear Abad,
I pray that someday you find peace. Bismalla al rahaman al raheem.

Matt:

My peace is with Christ, the True Living God. Thanks anyways.

Abad,
If Christ were alive today, and he came to the United States, I fear he would be considered by many to be just another dangerous foreigner. I am happy that you are able to find peace in Christ. I pray it will be enough.

Matt said:

"I pray it will be enough."

The Gospel of John 14:6

"Jesus said unto Thomas: I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: no man comes unto the Father but by me."

Abad,
I apologize. I did not mean to suggest that your faith in Christ will not be rewarded sufficiently. I was merely praying for peace in our time.