We should be scared shitless like all the other Euro-socialists....Please give peace a chance!!!
BULLSHIT!! Turn up the heat! No Quarter.

Terror TV (Al jazeera et al) needs to be banned from the airwaves. Barbarians delenda est.

No appeasement, no compromise, this is all the more reason to move forward with what we're doing, with more velocity.

He belongs in hell......radical Islam is like a big hoard of overage vandals that seek the destruction of everything that is sacred.

Although I don't know if even vandals run and hide behind women and children like these losers do. How do you negotiate with insanity?

The idea that any nation should have a truce with a petty war chieftan is ludicrous. He is asking the Europeans to accept their status as dhimmis as he has proven that they are humiliated and debased not only by his bombs but by their fear of his violence. Taking over without a shot is the ultimate humiliation.

Most likely the Europeans will scurry around sniffing out bombs while the relentless march toward Islamization continues. The fear of more bombings will cow them into accepting this state of affairs. All the noise they are making about the search for the bombers will quell the public outrage and divert their attention from the real danger than no one wants to acknowledge.

This is an object lesson for the United States. Hello!!! Is there anyone really listening? They are trying to do this here as well. What are we going do about it? No, what are we doing about it now?

Off topic/ sorry: If anyone hasn't checked out frontpagemag.com this morning, the little "Muslim Napolean" Hatem the "hater" Bazian's story is featured.

Thanks

D.C.

Interesting comment about Islam and Vandals. Don't forget that the idea of a vandal as someone who spray paints on walks is recent. THe original vandals sacked Rome, which is near as I can tell exaclty what Osama wants to do.

Remember that Muslims only make treaties to allow tine to strengthen their position - following the example of Mohammed - and with the intent to break the treaty before its end for jihad.

jihan

Beneath all the bravado, the tape sounds like the organization is hurting badly. They seem to looking for a way to save face with a "truce." More importantly though, I hear fear in this tape.

I've always believed that the leaders of these organizations are not nearly as anxious for martyrdom as they would have everyone believe.
In fact, as I think we're seeing with Sadr, they will go to great lengths to avoid it when it comes right down to it.

(A little off topic: That's why I believe we should go after every imam that gives their approval to murder and martyrdom in the name of Islam. I'm certain they would not be so quick to endorse and instigate violence if we did. I'm also pretty sure we'd see a lot of reevaluating of positions. After further review...)

Now is not the time to slow down--we must press on relentlessly and ruthlessly.

The first thing I thought about when I heard this
"truce" offer is that Muslim's only offer a "truce" when they are losing.Any "truce" is to give them time to gather strength and attack again. So now is the time to reject any "truce" and press on until Islamic fanatics are destroyed.
This also tells me that Islamic fanatics have been shaken by the killing of Yassin. They probably realize that if he can be killed no Islamic fanatic is safe. Experience shows when it comes right down to it Islamic leaders have no desire for martyrdom. Since Islam is on the attack the West really has nothing to lose by going after terrorists and their leaders with everything we've got.

We got-em on the run !!!! If it is found that the voice is that of UBL....Hey, I thought we had UBL on custody.

I fear Bin Laden and the senior Al Qaeda leadership are as perceptive of European public opinion as they are evil. I would be willing to bet that they have a series of attacks timed to correspond to the Olympics in August.

Now, the EU countries are exclaiming they will never give in. However, it seems Bin Laden is betting that European public opinion will change after a series of attacks and ask their governments why didn't you negotiate with this man when you had the chance?

In the months following Septemebr 11, if anyone in the world would have said that a country would change governments and commit appeasement (as Spain did last month.) They would have been told they were crazy. World History is full of nations and peoples that either heroically fought an enemy or sheepishly accepted their terms. We shall know in a few months which direction Europe will go.

I fear that Europe will be thrown into a civil war.
In 10 to 20 years...there will be more Arab Muslims living in Europe than Europeans. Pat Buchannan is correct in his assement of World population dynamics changing rapidy to favor Arab/Muslims. When an average family of Muslims is aprox. 8.5 kids vs. an average of 2.1 for evrybody else, it does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out where we are headed.
Time to throw the condemns away and start humping like minks !!!

In reference to my previous post. There is a startling amount of posts on the current BBC "Give Us Your Opinion Section" of their website in which respondents with non-Islamic names from all over Europe and even the US state that Europe should take Osama up on his truce offer. They claim they have nothing to lose. It seems they never heard of Neville Chamberlain. Somewhere in a cave or village, Bin Laden is laughing thinking this is going to be easier than I thought!

The terrorist organizations are feeling the pressure that is surrounding them.We should be getting even more aggressive right now pulling no punches.The terrorist and their supporters should be killed no matter where they are.The traitor over at Berkely should be high up on that list.

the proof is in the pudding. the "ceasefire" in najaf is riddled with gunfire as well as weaponry being smuggled in the humanitarian convoys.

europe's on their own. we will stand by whoever stands strong. if the rest of them want dhimmitude, if they want to betray their ancestry, so be it. they may as well begin memorizing sharia. they'll need it for the short time they survive.

correction: i meant ceasefire in falluja.

oh well, like they say, "war is God's way of teaching americans geography." :-)

What is this truce called, Where you call a truce when your down and break it when you are stronger. I thought it had a name. Also, can anyone point out a passage that supports this in the Quran.
This is just for self knowledge.

Both hate networks (Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya) should have been taken down long ago, along with many other hate "religious and charitable" institutions.

well, for those who don't know it, no muslim was ever in favor of bin laden (the ex-big ally of the US http://www.plp.org/misc/oblncia.html
, the CIA creation, whom the US asked for help to fight the russians in afghansitan) or thought of him as a hero. When the USA 'invaded' Afghanistan and then Iraq, and also with all that's happening in palestine, we arabs feel defeated , and powerless, it would make us happy to find ANYONE showing opposition to the US, even if he's the devil himself. It's action and reaction, it is the same idea in Paletine where people are too hopeless to want to live. They feel there is noting to live for. They know they can lose their lives or any family's anytime, they know they lost or can lose their home anytime, their land is taken, they are denied the rights of going to school, going out, ...the same applies to the iraqis. Those people, being denied the right to LIVE, can easily chose to be suicide bombers. They feel this is the only way to express disagreement o what is happening. They are not terrorists, they want to reclaim their land. If we look at the broad picture, we have to find out the reason why they r doing this and eliminate it, it's unfairness!!!! Count the number if isarelis and palestinians killed since sharon came to power , and u can figure out for yourself who the real terrorists are http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/1aefb71ae849221249256d820011d185?OpenDocument. Bush is totally siding with israel, this is not fair, the israelis are killing people who they call terrorists (all palestinians are in their opinion). PLease, if u bother to be fair , try different sources of media, check things on the internet. This is no criticism of anyone, it is just an attempt to show a different point of view.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/05/jenin0503.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1937387.stm
http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/more-pics/index.phtml (sorry about the pics here)

My dear MONA,

"well, for those who don't know it, no muslim was ever in favor of bin laden (the ex-big ally of the US http://www.plp.org/misc/oblncia.html
, the CIA creation, whom the US asked for help to fight the russians in afghansitan) or thought of him as a hero."

I'm afraid that this assertion is so flagrantly false that it casts into doubt everything else you assert. If Osama is not a hero to anyone, to take just one example why are toys made of him and the burning WTC? See http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000252.php.

Also, how do you explain the numerous jihads that were waged long before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan or the creation of the State of Israel?

Cordially,
Robert Spencer

for Frank Novak,

http://festival.sundance.org/filmguide/popup.aspx?film=F11602

Regards,

Robert,

I was saying that he hasn't been a hero until the number of unfair practices towards muslims around the world (e.g. Palestine, afghanistan) has increased, and people felt oppressed both by that unfairness and the weakness of our leaders to stand up to that on our behalf. Anyone who would stand up to those super powers, even if it's the 'devil', would be seen as an idol, as a hero, i guess it's a human thing. People are aspiring to anyone , no matter how bad he is, who would express disagreement (on any level) on their behalf. I always thought that the westerners won't ever feel the oppression, and unfairness that we feel here cause u never expreienced it, u are not oppressed by your leaders, and u were never occupied. I don't personally like Bin laden as he is the indirect cause of all the horrible things that are happening now after sept 11th. And I am personally convinced that what he did is totally against what Islam says. Islam prohibited trying to kill any innocent person (muslim or not), and God said in one verse of the Quran, that if a muslim kills a human being (muslim or not) with no reason, it is as if he killed all humanity. As for Jihad, this is a different thing. Jihad is (hope I'm accurate in my paraphrase) killing those who kill you in your land, and fighting those who are forcing you out of your land. I believe the suicide bombers in palestine are doing jihad, cause this is inside their land, and they are killed with weapons they don't have. Again, it's the same idea of feeling helpless and hopeless and finding no way out but to kill oneself. Again, this is a reaction of the crazy things sharon started doing as soon as he was in power (lots of internet sites on that!!), I also believe the same applies to Iraq, but sept 11 isn't Jihad, by all means, it isn't , it's man slaughter and it's terrible. What u mentioned- toys and bin laden- is an expression that this is our idol, this is the guy who's scaring the super powers, just as the US had all saddam toys, and Saddam playstation games, Robert, come on!! :)

Would you give me examples of the jihad you mentioned before afghanistan and the state of israel ?

My dear MONA,

Many peoples have been oppressed in history. Few have resorted to genocide and the wholesale murder of civilians, which is in fact justified by Islam law. You may not kill civilians unless they are perceived as aiding the war effort. See al-Mawardi's "al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah."

As for jihads, they begin at the beginning of Islamic history. In 635 (just three years after the Prophet’s death), Damascus fell to the invading Muslims. In 636, Antioch also fell. It was Jerusalem’s turn two years later, in 638.
Around the same time came the turn of Egypt. Then
Cilicia and Caesarea of Cappadocia in 650. In the same period, Muslim forces carried out raids on Cyprus, Rhodes, Crete, and Sicily, carrying off booty and thousands of slaves. Muslim armies laid siege to Constantinople in 668 (and for several years thereafter) and 717, and kept at it until the city fell in 1453.

By 715 the Muslims were well on their way to conquering all of Spain (which they held, of course, for over 700 years), and pressing into France. Charles Martel, “the Hammer,” stopped them in 732 at the city of Tours. In 792, the ruler of Muslim Spain, Hisham, called for a new expedition into France. Muslims around the worldwide enthusiastically responded to his call to jihad, and the army that ultimately gathered was able to do a good deal of damage – but not ultimately to prevail.

Jihads also pressed into India and continued in Europe until September 11, 1683, when Muslim armies besieging Vienna were turned back.

This is all ancient history, but the fact is that the theology of jihad that justified all these conquests and many more has never been repudiated by any Muslim sect.

Cordially,
Robert Spencer

'My' Dear Robert,

YOU WROTE : Many peoples have been oppressed in history. Few have resorted to genocide and the wholesale murder of civilians, which is in fact justified by Islam law.

I REPLY: Who said it is justified by Islamic law?? Do you know where to get info about Islamic law? And who do you mean that committed genocide, the palestinian suicide bombers?? What do you want them to do? Watch and wait to be killed? You call the few suicide bombers genocide?? Heard of Hitler?? Heard of Hiroshima and Nagazaki?? Checked the pics in the link i posted about qana? Heard of Bush 'jihading' in Iraq?? Would you like me to prepare, for next time, a count of all these ...including the suicide bombers?

YOU WROTE: As for jihads, they begin at the beginning of Islamic history. In 635 (just three years after the Prophet’s death),..... turned back.

I REPLY: http://www.twf.org/Library/Jihad.html It says something about both Jihad and the crusades, written mainly by non-muslims.

Look Robert, I don't mean to say that one religion is better than the other, all I'm trying to do here is show that Islam is not a religion of violence. One other important issue: if one Muslim does or says something wrong, it doesn't mean that it's the fault of Islam, similarly, if a Christian does something wrong, it is not Christianity's fault, which is hard for westerners to understand sometimes. Is it the media?? The link I put has something interesting in that respect as well. :) That link, actually, I find quite good. Have a look around, may be you'll find something that answers some of your questions, expressed better than I would ever dream to do!

PS. I read a saying today that I liked a lot. I'll try my best to paraphrase: Religion is a candle in a multi-colored lantern, people might look from the different color sides, but the candle is still there.

Regards, Mona

My dear mona,

"Who said it is justified by Islamic law?? Do you know where to get info about Islamic law?"

Yes. The best sources are legal manuals published by the four major schools of Sunni Muslim jurisprudence, the Shafi'i, Hanafi, Hanbali, and Maliki. All agree that it is permissible to kill women and children when they are aiding the war effort. Cf 'Umdat as-Salik o9.10 and al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah 4.2.

"And who do you mean that committed genocide, the palestinian suicide bombers?? What do you want them to do? Watch and wait to be killed?"

Is someone systematically killing all Palestinians? They could live in peace and have a 2-state solution if they stopped the terror.

"You call the few suicide bombers genocide??"

I call the purposeful targeting of civilian non-combatants genocide. What crime have they committed except being Jews?

"Heard of Hitler?? Heard of Hiroshima and Nagazaki??"

Yes.

"Checked the pics in the link i posted about qana?"

No. Israel and the US are not targeting civilians. Their opponents try to make it appear so by mixing fighters in with civilians, but that does not change the fact.

"Heard of Bush 'jihading' in Iraq??"

No. Jihad is an Islamic term. To my knowledge Mr. Bush is not a Muslim.

"Would you like me to prepare, for next time, a count of all these ...including the suicide bombers?"

A count of all these what?

"http://www.twf.org/Library/Jihad.html It says something about both Jihad and the crusades, written mainly by non-muslims."

Fact is, the jihads against Christian lands began in the 630's. They went unanswered until the First Crusade was called in 1095. And I am supposed to believe the Crusaders started it?

"Look Robert, I don't mean to say that one religion is better than the other, all I'm trying to do here is show that Islam is not a religion of violence."

Then why do so many Muslims (cf. Osama etc.) justify their acts of violence by reference to Islamic theology and law? What can peaceful Muslims do to stop their misuse of Islam, if that is what it is?

"One other important issue: if one Muslim does or says something wrong, it doesn't mean that it's the fault of Islam, similarly, if a Christian does something wrong, it is not Christianity's fault, which is hard for westerners to understand sometimes."

I have no trouble understanding that at all. But it is different when the Muslim -- or the Christian -- explains what he is doing according to the beliefs of his religion. That is a problem that Osama and others like him present -- a problem that is very different from the case of a Christian who commits murder. No one can claim that Christianity teaches murder, so such a case would simply not be equivalent to Osama's.

"Is it the media??"

No. They have bent over backwards to be favorable to Islam. Cf. CNN on the Rania Al-Baz wife-beating case.

Cordially,
Robert Spencer