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The LA Times this morning has an interesting piece about the outrage among Saudi Muslims that the recent bombings killed ... Muslims.
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Abdelaziz Raikhan was fuming Saturday, standing alongside his pickup and surveying the abandoned shops and blasted apartment buildings of downtown, a zone still littered with twisted cars and chunks of rubble from the suicide bombing of a police headquarters."They're mentally ill, this crowd," he said of the Islamic militants who killed at least five people and wounded 148 on Wednesday. Raikhan, 30, works as a maintenance man for the Saudi security forces; luckily, he was on the other side of town when his office was blown up.
"There's not one American in this entire area," he said, sweeping an arm to take in a neighborhood eerily still, its streets laced with police tape. "Not one! What kind of jihad is this?"
Throughout the Saudi mainstream, the call has risen: This insurgency is not a jihad, because a jihad, or sacred struggle, does not kill fellow Muslims, let alone Saudis. Wednesday's attack, plainly meant to kill Saudi police and civilians milling through the tightly wound streets of downtown at rush hour, has infuriated Saudis.
This ascetic, oil-rich kingdom is stuck between the religious ideal of jihad, still widely embraced, and the bloody, nerve-wracked reality of a nation targeted by militants. Saudis curse the U.S. troops in Fallouja, Iraq, and praise Hamas suicide bombings in Israel even as they pass through metal detectors and steer their cars through the checkpoints that choke Riyadh's traffic to a standstill.
Many people here who have praised and supported jihad around the world are shocked to find themselves on the receiving end of a violence fueled by religious extremism.
"This is not against invading armies like Afghanistan or Iraq. This is against a legitimate system, against civilians and traffic officers," said Khaled Batarfi, an analyst at Saudi Arabia's Arab News and a childhood friend of Osama bin Laden. "We don't see this as jihad. We have the ability to differentiate between what's jihad and what's not."
Popular culture here is rife with the lore of holy warriors, and the last two decades have been punctuated by holy war: There was the fight against the Russians in Afghanistan. There was Chechnya, and now Iraq. Thousands of eager Saudi men streamed out of their homeland to fight in those distant battles. All of those causes, and especially the Palestinian intifada, are seen by many Saudis as righteous and, more important, tied to Islamic duty.
The Riyadh attack, they say, doesn't fit the bill, and many people bristle at the comparison. Jihad is waged against an invading army or an occupying force, they point out. It does not apply to Muslim-on-Muslim terrorism, they say.
Posted by Robert at April 25, 2004 8:35 AM
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This adds an interesting slant on the muslim take on predestination. Bomb your fellow muslim and if he ides it is because it is Allah's(Lucifer)will.
Nothing brings out the loving, peaceful message of the Qu'ran like this. And then they think that the whole of the west is going to adopt Islam?!
Dream on - its just a fantasy.
Yahwehu Akabar
Posted by: Mustapha Burger at April 25, 2004 9:15 AMoops... 2 typo's:
-if he 'dies' it is
-YahwehU Akbar
Islam, the worlds biggest double standard.
Posted by: basil at April 25, 2004 9:51 AMNow that "their ox is being gored," they cry foul and wonder what kind of jihad this is. Obviously they don't understand the Koranic verses that mandate jihad against the "wrong kinds" of Muslims.
They also are showing their hand. The Saudi street must approve of murdering Americans in their streets and elsewhere. (begin sarcastic tone) Approval of murder. What a religion! (end of sarcasm)
Posted by: epg at April 25, 2004 11:03 AMIsn't this bombing the work of the Americans and Jews? Doesn't that explanation make more sense?
Posted by: westword at April 25, 2004 1:04 PMYes! Yes! Americans and Jews! Of course, why didn't I think of that??? We will be blamed in any case cuz they won't take responsibility for their own dirty work.. Dirty, dirty, dirty………… dirty!
Like Emeril, I think that pork fat rules. Yee-haw!
Posted by: epg at April 25, 2004 3:30 PMepg:Like Emeril, I think that pork fat rules. Yee-haw!
Hood Jihadi:I am sorry epg, I did not know you were fat. Happy cooking with Emiril's Pork Fat Arepas.
Posted by: Hood Jihadi at April 25, 2004 3:44 PMDumb, Hoodie. He doesn't know who Emeril is. Being fat isn't crime, but being dumb is. Yee-haw!
Posted by: epg at April 25, 2004 3:48 PMepg:Dumb, Hoodie. He doesn't know who Emeril is. Being fat isn't crime, but being dumb is. Yee-haw!
Hood Jihadi: Y you being a Jew with me - stop lying. Is he not a celebrity cook known for saying things like:
"Pork Fat Rules!"
Ah, Hoodie, you found out who Emeril is. Good for you. Yee-haw, pork fat still rules. Yum, yum.
Sorry, Hoodie, I'm not Jewish. But even if I were, being a Jew is no crime. Being anti-Semite is. (Look in the mirror. Your words have indicted you. Hoodie is an anti-Semite.)
Go play with someone else, I've got other things to talk about.
Muslims are always suprised to learn that someone such as Usama would come for them. Muslim on Muslim violence isn't anything new, that's how people like Sadr keep their constituents under his boot, using militia violence. The same can be said of the Taliban that used whips and other violent incentives, as well as death to "persuade" or cow other Muslims.
Saudi Muslims are now getting a taste of what's in store for them if these fiends are able to create the Caliphate.
Posted by: epg at April 25, 2004 4:14 PMWow! You Muslims like to have it both ways, don't you. If it is murder done to your tastes, you clap hands and sing and hand out sweets in the streets. But, if if is murder done not to your tastes, it is a conspiracy made by the Americans and the Jews.
Unfortunately, you are one day going to wake up and find that there IS an enemy, but the enemy is you. Your culture creates a load of unhappy young people with a chip on their shoulders entitled "victim." Then, when they have been taught it is good to murder those with whom you disagree, you call foul; or, you point the finger elsewhere, in order not to take the responsibilities for your actions. Yes, there is an enemy out there, but in order to see him/or her/ you are going to have to look in the mirror.
You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: paula at April 25, 2004 4:19 PMcorrection to the above:
"Then, when they have been taught it is good to murder those with whom THEY disagree..."
Had to clarify that there. :-)
Posted by: paula at April 25, 2004 4:51 PMPS:Please don't touch our holy book or the hadiths. They are not for dirty people like you.
Posted by Hood Jihadi at April 25, 2004 02:10 PM
Mr. Hoodjob; I don't think you'll have to concern yourself with too many of us touching the Queer'an, unless it were to set it ablaze.
Dirty people like us? I think you could pick out anyone with a half way decent sense of smell, blindfold them, put us all together, and let them pick out who the dirty ones are.....Don't bet your last donkey on it being us.
Jihadis spend most of their miserable, poverty stricken, pathetic existence in caves or mud huts, so showering isn't often in the cards.....You and your twin brother Reza are great entertainment.....but like your heroes, you should be taken off the planet.
Posted by: D.C. Watson at April 25, 2004 4:52 PMI will take "The Beatitudes" (Matthew 5,6,7) over the Koran anytime. Who would ever think in the 21st Century men would being killing each other in the name of a "religion"...For Shame!
Posted by: Don Fox at April 25, 2004 4:56 PMYes, Don Fox, You are right.
But of all religions islam is the most satanic.
The latest results of this supposed 'jihad' are further evidence to show these ignorant folk Islam is DESIGNED TO KILL HUMAN BEINGS. And as the law of karma dictates you will get back whatever it is or was you put out into the universe--and, voila! the current carnage in Riyadh, at the hands of their own people no less. THIS should encourage muslims to find a REAL religion--instead of this gruesome, old human sacrifice cult that's cut out of the same cloth as that of the Aztecs, Mayans etc. A word to wise muslims: 'don't play games with the universe'(jihadism, for example).
Posted by: Karmaic Chameleon at April 25, 2004 6:42 PMCry JIHAD! and let loose the dogs of war! The dogs will even bite the hand that feeds them.
Posted by: westword at April 25, 2004 7:20 PMHood Jihadi, can't we just sit down over a sausage pizza and beer at Hooters and talk this out like reasonable people?
Posted by: panos at April 25, 2004 9:20 PMPanos, forget trying to sit down with such rabid vermin - you can't get them to at bottom be truly reasonable. Such scum deserve only one solution...
Posted by: Sasha at April 26, 2004 12:22 AMUh, what the hell is Peterism? Is this some religion that St. Peter started that only enlightened Muslims are privy to know about?
PS - I spit on your hadith. >:-o~
Go wage your jihad elsewhere, before we ban your "noble" Qur'ans and piss on them before we douse them with gasoline and burn every last one of them to a crisp.
Has any one heard that the bomb went off across the street from one of the main Saudi Intel service buildings? This could explain why the attack was where it was. So that even though many innocents were killed, maybe there actually was a tactical target in the area.
Posted by: Big R at April 26, 2004 9:40 AMAbout all I can say concnering the attacks in S.A. is: Yeah!!! They are getting a taste of what they have been exporting for years. They won't learn any lesson (Moslems being, well, Moslems). Just fun to watch.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at April 26, 2004 10:24 AMHey, people,
Al Qaida wasn't responsible for the bombings in Riyadh. Saudi humanitarian aid workers coming home from Afghanistan did it.
jay
Posted by: Jay Stevens at April 26, 2004 12:02 PMYeah, I've been wondering myself what on Earth's meant by "Peterism" through a number of posts here.
I can only assume that it could have something to do with the splendid book by Joan Peters, "Since Time Immemorial", which is a richly informed, thorough debunking, in fine detail, of the myth of the "Palestinians".
Based on a wealth of statistics and reports from the mid-19th Century till the mid-20th, Ms Peters (who commenced her study as a proponent of the "Palestinians") found, as she dispassionately examined & dissected the documentary evidence, that the truth is that the great bulk of the "Palestinians" are the spawn of Arabs, chiefly from Syria, Egypt and Iraq, who arrived - with the blind eye of profoundly-Arabist Whitehall turned away - in British-mandated Palestine as recently as during WWII, when the British were barring Jews, fleeing the Holocaust, from entry.
This book, needless to say, exposing the cold facts instead of repeating Arab fables, has outraged the "Palestinians", Arabs and Moslems since its publication about 12 years ago - naturally earning death threats to its author from the dar el-Islam and bitter attacks on her integrity from "liberal" academics in the West, the Islamo-fascists' tireless apologists.
Posted by: HG at April 26, 2004 7:16 PMBy the way, when mentioning the name of Allah (SATAN), what does "swt" mean?
Posted by: Sasha at April 26, 2004 7:35 PMSasha,
Muslims must repeat a number of mind-numbing phrases. Its part of the memorization/self-hypnosis that we usually call brainwashing. Every time they say Muhammad they have to say "peace be upon him" (pbuh). Say allah and you have to repeat an arabic phrase that they abbreviate (swt). Islam is all about repetition, pray 5 times a day, etc. Keep saying it over and over and they won't question what they are saying. Say it long enough and they believe it to be true. Thats islam. Scary, eh?
For more on the endless rules of islam ask the imam:
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php
They answer every question imaginable in minute detail.
Posted by: basil at April 26, 2004 9:06 PMThank you, Basil - just seeing a peek at that website you recommended was enough to get me to hurtle back out of there ASAP!!! [Just knowing that one thing (swt), if you care to tell me, is sufficient for me, and then MARCHE to Islam and everything connected to it!!!!!
I (in spite of having studied Islamic History & Civilisation in Grade 10 high school) want nothing to do with it other than to hate it (it oppressed and murdered my ancestors for many centuries - and still hasn't stopped doing so!!!), and to do every last thing possible in my power to fight it to the death and to ensure - with God's and Jesus' help - that that False "Religion" never gets to establish itself in my area!!!!
Posted by: Sasha at April 27, 2004 1:46 AM
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