Here is the true face of jihad. Here is the truth of the brave mujihadeen. Here is the truth of the palestinean cause. These people are soaked in the blood of innocents. They are beyond hope, beyond pity, beyond humanity. Truly, they are cursed by their own actions.

Dear Robert,

"That is the difference between the civilizations clashing today: one punishes those who victimize the innocent. The other celebrates such incidents."

Check "White House: Abuse of Iraqis Won't Be Tolerated" Thread for comment on the same rubbish

Again, a small reminder. In the 2002 siege and invasion of Jenin, israeli soldiers were ordered to "Fire at any window" wether or not they were fired from. This was admitted by a number of generals, hence the subsequent refusal of some of the more decent in the israeli army to refuse joining further israeli military operations, and subsequently, they were arrested, and jailed. That and the airmen, who called the acts of their own military "Immoral"
Also, some news about a palestinean child killed PRIOR to the killing of the Pregnant Mother, and her 4 children.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FF7E9E1F-7A4C-4690-842A-A20B3BD51640.htm

And we ask ourselves... why... why did that palestinean man kill the children?

Where is the the out cry from the Islamic press? Guess this is ok with Muslins since the ones killed were not Muslin. Another case of do as I say, not as I do. May they all meet their Devil soon and rot in hell.

As I mentioned on another thread this is typical Arab hypocrisy. The same Arabs who are outraged at the humiliation of Iraqi prisioners are filled with joy over the murder of a pregnant woman and her children. I wonder why our government even bothers trying to appeal to the hearts and minds of Arabs. When these people clearly have no heart.

Ahmad, Reza, Queer,

Will you not comment on the article? Why don't you tell us what you really think? We know you support the killing of innocents. We know it warms your heart when a pregnant woman is slaughtered by savages. Admit it. Show us all what you really believe. Defend the indefensible.

By the way Ahmad, posting aljazeera links won't increase your credibility. In fact, expect the opposite.

Edsel

These are clearly not people but animals. If a dog goes mad he is put down and the same should be done to them.

I'm very sorry to hear about yet another vicious attack by Palestinians on defenseless women and children. Sadly this is nothing new for the Palestinians. Does anyone think these increased attacks on settlers are an attempt to scuttle Isreal's withdrawal from Gaza? If Isreal withdraws from Gaza Palestinians would actually have to take responsibility for themselves and for the hell hole called Gaza and I suspect they would fail miserably. With no Isrealis to blame they would then have to look to their own corrupt leaders. Even the dumbest Palestinian might come to realize that their corrupt leaders are responsible for most of the Palestinians problems.

Ahmad asks " why did that palestinean man kill the children?"

Because of the jihadist imperative mandated by the Qur'an.

Because of the psychotic, nihilistic nature of arab society.

Because babies and their unarmed young mums are easier for cowards to kill than are trained soldiers.

Because Arafat is still alive.

Next question?

Our condolences to the Hatual family. In coelo quies est.

One thing that's to be said for Muslims, they all look out for each other.

Basil,
I do not condone it. Hy heart does not warm to the sight of any ones dead child, a child is a child regardless his nationality, or where he lives. This, and i say to you, this is what Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) said some 1400 years ago when he saw dead children. He burst into anger at the sight of dead children after a battle, and on seeing this his companions asked what it was that angered him, as they were the enemies children. He made it them clear that it did not matter whos children they were, but the fact that they were children.

Dave, certainly the actions of your soldiers are no less than that of a mindless animal... The torture?

"I'm very sorry to hear about yet another vicious attack by Palestinians on defenseless women and children."
Sorry, but who is the defenseless? One is a regional super power, and one of the worlds most powerfull nations, the other is one of the worlds most impovrished, with no organised police force, and a non existant military living under 40 years of occupation. I suggest you rethink what you typed.
"Does anyone think these increased attacks on settlers are an attempt to scuttle Isreal's withdrawal from Gaza? If Isreal withdraws from Gaza Palestinians would actually have to take responsibility for themselves and for the hell hole called Gaza and I suspect they would fail miserably"
Yes, for some 20 years we heard pullout promises, what make you think were going to believe this, now, under the mass murder sharon?
"With no Isrealis to blame they would then have to look to their own corrupt leaders. Even the dumbest Palestinian might come to realize that their corrupt leaders are responsible for most of the Palestinians problems."
Anyone with the smallest knowledge on the palestinean issue would know that today, there is no true leadership. Arafat is paralysed, holed up in his office in Ramallah.

"Because of the jihadist imperative mandated by the Qur'an. "
Where does it justify killing children ?

"Because of the psychotic, nihilistic nature of arab society"
Arab society is one of the few societies who hold on to moral ethical values. They never mass murdered populations within them (Americans Vs natives?) And they abolished slavery (Thats 2 percent of the government funds to buy, and set free slaves)

"Because babies and their unarmed young mums are easier for cowards to kill than are trained soldiers."
Because he fire on a car on which it was clear he could not see who it is inside

"Because Arafat is still alive."
I too hate him, but the man is worthless, he holds no powers, hes a scapegoat for israeli failures (to find an excuse for the israeli public)

Their friends on the liberal left can make all the excuses they want, the drippy left media can push the "ROP" line ad nauseum, but the world is watching, and learning, day by day with every new atrocity, with every whingeing whining threadbare justification,what the whole world is facing. Make no mistake whatsoever, a day of reckoning is getting closer and closer, if these halfwits really believe, really believe they can defeat the entire world then reality has a truly terrible lesson in store for them. Get praying, halfwits, you're gonna need it!

The basic problem is that a poorly developed 7th. Century mind and culture (Arabic + Islam)is attempting to exist in a 21st. Century civilization. Both the 7th. Century culture and Islam will have to conform to the modern world or go the way Dodo Bird.

quoting from Ahmed

"I'm very sorry to hear about yet another vicious attack by Palestinians on defenseless women and children."
Sorry, but who is the defenseless? One is a regional super power, and one of the worlds most powerfull nations, the other is one of the worlds most impovrished, with no organised police force, and a non existant military living under 40 years of occupation. I suggest you rethink what you typed."

Yeah! It is always somebody else's fault, no matter what your people do. It must be something in the arab culture that generates people utterly unable to recognize the reality of a disfunctional society and try to blame others for their actions.

Ahmed,

For decades the PLO,now Hamas, etc. etc. etc. etc., have been killing people all over the world for land. It hasn't worked in 40 years, and it won't in the future either. They are poor and defenseless! Who made them that way cause everybody in the world has been giving them money for years. Don't you wonder where all the money given to Arafat and company has gone.

If they were concerned about their people, this mess would have been over and done with years ago. It's about power by Arafat and those around him, pure and simple.

Normally, I don't respond to trolls. But this eggregious dissembling from Ahmad has to be answered (sorry to take up so much bandwidth, Robert)

"Because of the jihadist imperative mandated by the Qur'an. "
Where does it justify killing children ?

You're right- the Qur'an justifies killing ALL khufrs- men, women and children. See surah 4:74-76 and 9:29 and 9:73, among countless others. Even your question implies that the killings would have been justified if only Ms. Hatual had been murdered. You come from a sick culture, Ahmad.

Also: see, http://www.angelfire.com/moon/yoelnatan/koranwarpassages.htm

"Because of the psychotic, nihilistic nature of arab society"
Arab society is one of the few societies who hold on to moral ethical values. They never mass murdered populations within them (Americans Vs natives?)

Ever hear of the Banu Qurayza, of which the Arab mohammed had all of the men executed and all of the women and children sold into slavery? (see below). I'd categorize that as mass murder of an indigenous population- by the founder of your benighted cult, no less.

And they abolished slavery (Thats 2 percent of the government funds to buy, and set free slaves).

Utter bollocks. Sudan and Saudi Arabia are still practicing slaving countries.

"Because babies and their unarmed young mums are easier for cowards to kill than are trained soldiers."
Because he fire on a car on which it was clear he could not see who it is inside

Oh- riiiight. So had he been able to see who was in the car, he would not have fired- with Israeli plates. LOL

But, more to the point, the two killers walked up to the car, absolutely identified the occupants, and deliberately opened fire, execution style. These homicidal maniacs knew EXACTLY what they were doing and who they were executing in cold blood.

"Because Arafat is still alive."
I too hate him, but the man is worthless, he holds no powers, hes a scapegoat for israeli failures (to find an excuse for the israeli public)

Arafat's hands are covered in blood- from slithering back from Lebanon and his treachery in subjugating his political opposition, through the Karine A incident, his control over the Fatah repression and murder network, and on to supporting the Jew-hating curricula in the PA "schools", Arafat and his thug cronies hold all powers in the PA.

As for being a scapegoat for "Israeli failures", well, let's see- that's two for two Hamas leaders in the past month; the regions's only functioning democracy; the region's only functioning economy; the region's only pluralistic society (1.5M Arab Muslim Israelis having full rights of citizenship); scientific and cultural advances beyond the comprehension or ability of ANY arab country; a better-equipped and better-led military than any in the arab world- well, I suppose if that's your definition of failure, let Arafat be the scapegoat for it. But, fyi, in Western democracies, we would call someone like Arafat a "psychotic, hopeless loser"- and vote him out of office.

Ahmed,

"who is the defenseless?" The woman and her children.

"Arab society is one of the few societies who hold on to moral ethical values" Killing women and children is not ethical. Celebrating it is inhuman.

"they abolished slavery" Slavery is permitted in islam. you should have asked the imam: The LEGAL possession that a Muslim receives over a slave woman from the “Ameerul-Mu'mineen” (the Islamic Head of State) gives him legal credence to have coition with the slave woman in his possession, just as the marriage ceremony gives him legal credence to have coition with his wife. In other words, this LEGAL POSSESSION is, in effect, a SUBSTITUTE of the MARRIAGE CEREMONY.
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=5482

"Because he fire on a car on which it was clear he could not see who it is inside" This is patently stupid. If you fire on a car you are responsible for killing the person inside. Or perhaps Israeli troops should fire randomly at cars which may contain muslims?

Please post more lies. It helps us to understand the thinking of the enemies of mankind.

Ahmed:

You can rationalize all day until the cows come home ,but in the name of Allah or God there is, or shall be no justification on the face of this earth for such cowardice brutality .

Tell me oh "great rationalizer" with a thousand excuses do you believe these jihadists deserve their virgins? Do you ????????

Ahmad

There were just a very small number of our military involved and you don't see us dancing in the streets to celebrate what they did. You can rest assured that they will be taken care of but they will not be killed as they would be in a muslin country.This not killing them may not be what you want done but is what we will do.

Our President has said this type of action will not be tolerated. When the muslins kill some one you never hear the "leaders" of any muslin contry condem the actions of the thugs responsible. Why is that? Is it because it is ok to kill as long as it isn't a muslin being killed?

Following this cruel and gruesome atrocity, committed in ice-cold blood by "Palestinian" terrorists, there's not a word of condemnation from the Arabs, Moslems or their international running-dogs.

Indeed, overnight, dozens of retired and former US diplomats have, predictably, jumped onto the band-wagon loosed by their British colleagues, to censure Allied policies in Iraq and "Palestine".

The Arabs are calling up their heavy hitters now, the reflexively compliant, defeatist crème of the pernicious, Western Arabist establishment, which has been lodged and nurtured, profoundly and insidiously, within every level of the Department of State and the Foreign Office.

These stooges are basically an exclusive "club" of gentlemen who've cheerfully been compromised, corrupted and co-opted by the dar el-Islam for many, many decades - men who, serving their true, sinister owners, have directly led the West (and the Middle East) into the predicament we're all in today.

They deviously screen their masters' arguments behind the mask of their own "unquestionable" patriotism, urging that disengagement from Iraq and abandonment of Israel are in the best interests of America and Britain, conveying the rabid Arabs' and Moslems' (empty) pledges that this path will gain the US and Britain peace from the Islamo-fascist onslaught.

Mouthpieces for blackmail, they're nothing but classic arch-appeasers; if the "War on Terror" was being waged as seriously as it ought to be (in the face of an implacable, mortal enemy), these Western quislings' pensions and their quiet subsidies from Araby should be cut off at once, at the least.

It is true that there is no point in killing of israeli civilians, but what do u think people with no country, no army, no government would do to brutal attacks from israelis claiming to drive away terrorists from israel? Why does the israeli military insist on pounding the palestinian cities, which are apparently full of civilians, to rubble by apache helicopters, killing tens of palestinian civilians EVERYDAY? Why does the israeli government insist on not giving the palestinians their full 1967 land, even if they did stop terrorist actions? Palestinians are thinking now that the only way to stop violence is by violence, why is not totally unreasonable?

well everyone else hit every point of yours ahhhhmed. and they pulled your pants down and spanked you!

why couldnt you just say what a horrible thing it is for anyone to shoot a two year old IN THE FACE. and stop at that?

why not? because you really dont care that those rabid dogs walked up to that car of screaming petrified children and shot them each in the face.

Tarek

Why didn't the Palestinians start fighting for a "homeland" when they were "occupied" by Egypt and Trans Jordan? Could it be that being arabs they just hate the Jews and don't really care about a homeland as long as they can kill Jews?

If they were given a "homeland" then the whole muslin world would be turned upside down as they would no longer have the "Jewish problem" to justify their killing. Bet they would find another reason.

Tarek (victim of disinformation):

"Their full 1967 land"? There simply was no "Palestine" prior to 1967; it has never existed in history.

The "Green Line" is not an international border, despite the frequent - but totally fallacious - descriptions in the liberal-leftist media of it being one.

The "Green Line" is merely the 1949 armistice-line at which hostilities were frozen, after 5 Arab armies invaded the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in 1948 and were beaten back, following the intransigent rejection, by the Arab members of the UN and the "Arab Higher Committee" ("representing" the "Palestinian" Arabs), of the creation of an independent Arab state (which could have been called "Palestine" had it indeed come into existence).

There was no discernable "Palestinian" nationalism prior to 1967. The inhabitants of the West Bank were pleased to accept the Jordanian citizenship extended to them upon Amman's generally unrecognized* annexation of the area, while the residents of Gaza made no recorded objection to the Egyptian Military Government occupying the Strip.

In fact, the PLO came into being in 1964 (as a direct tool of Egyptian Military Intelligence): obviously, the land they sought to liberate was not the West Bank and Gaza Strip (since Israel didn't acquire these for another 3 years), but the real-estate INSIDE the 1949 - 1967 "Green Line", i.e. Israel "proper".

On top, even a cursory reading of UN Resolution 242 of 1967, the binding principle for settling the problem, would reveal that Israel's obliged to negotiate withdrawal "from territories" - pointedly, NOT "all territories" nor "the territories" (as ad nauseum, and so erroneously, mouthed by the "Palestinians" and their dupes and fellow-travellers).

Even "hard-liner" Ariel Sharon has been willing to do this - once there's somebody on the other side with whom BONA FIDE negotiations can take place and someone who can make any deal with the "Palestinians" stick.

The "Grandfather of Modern Terrorism", Yasir Arafat ("Mr Duplicity") is hardly that necessary partner!

*Of all the planet, Britain and Pakistan alone acknowledged the Jordanian takeover.

Id like to reply to everyone, but unfortunatly the time i have is not adequate. I made, however, a few points earlier, which i have seen no replies too. In short, untill the summer, my points aremade specifically to Mr. Robert

Regards
Ahmad

Why does the israeli government insist on not giving the palestinians their full 1967 land, even if they did stop terrorist actions? Palestinians are thinking now that the only way to stop violence is by violence, why is not totally unreasonable?

Posted by Tarek at May 2, 2004 09:31 PM

First, the Israelis are not obligated to give anything to the Palestinians. Wasn't this land lost during a war which Israel won in a very short period of time?

Second, you just admitted that the Palestinians are committing terrorist activities. Thank you for finally admitting this atrocity. Most apologists won't do that.

Third, Israel pounds Palestinian cities because of the homicide bombings carried out by Palestinians against innocent people, because in their eyes, if it's an Israeli adult, they consider them an Israeli soldier, not a civilian. More maniacal thinking on the part of these loons.

Lastly, Mr. Tarek, Palestinians have no regard for life, as is evidenced by this latest attack. They are barbaric, cavemen that have no ethics, morals, or scruples.

Ahmad,

If you want to comment to Mr Spencer privately, use email. If you post comments, expect to be rebutted.

cheers

Why is it only the muslims who kill innocent civilians? What about the jewish butcher who shot up a mosque in palestine, Baruch Goldstein? People in the settlements praised him for his actions and to this day people visit his grave to honor his murderous actions. Even Jews in New York thought he was a martyr.

Why is it only the muslims who kill innocent civilians? What about the jewish butcher who shot up a mosque in palestine, Baruch Goldstein? People in the settlements praised him for his actions and to this day people visit his grave to honor his murderous actions. Even Jews in New York thought he was a martyr.

Ahmed:

When Israel became a sovereign country in 1948, the arabs attacked them from all sides and Israel beat them back and aquired rightfully 50 pct. more land after that, which is rightfully the spoils of war. And then when the Arab states once again attacked Israel in 1967 and Israel beat them back again ,they aquired twice more the land of which later they gave it all back to Egypt when they didnt have to.

In 1998 Barak practically offered the Palestinians the entire Gaza strip in a deal worked out with the United States, but Yassar Arafat turned it down.

And why might you ask did the "great demogogue of Palestine" Yassar Arafat turn it down? This man who has plundered billions of dollars from his own people and whose wife lives in splendor in Paris France. Because he wants it all. He and all his jihadists want to push the Jews ,and the infidels into the Mediteranean sea . As long as demogogues like Yassar Arafat can keep muslims hating the Zionists through their collective ignorance he will have power over them and they shall suffer for it. Much of it is about jealousy from the Palestinians who see how productive and successfull the Zionists and the Christians are.

Take a look and open your eyes my friend , look at Turkey ,a country that is prospering under a democracy and yet it is 98 pct. muslim. And then look at this little 1 pct. piece of land in the Middle East called Israel and ask yourself why are we making such a big deal about 1 pct of this land? and the answer is because the Palestinian people are the pawns of Saudia Arabia, Syria , Lebanon, and Iran and the demogogues that control and create hate among them for the purpose of destroying anyone who is not a muslim.

The jewish people occupied the land of Israel thousands of years before mohammed was even born and yet you would kill them and take it from them. When Israel became a state in 1948 there were but merely 50,000 Palestinians in the area and Israel gave them jobs and they prospered from it. Now there are 20 fold that many Palestinians in the area.

And now they have squandered any goodwill that came their way in the past 50 years. The Arabs have always been the aggressors in any of the Palestinian and Israel conflicts .

Bye the way, the word Palestine was given to the area by the Romans when they conquered the region , therefore the word Palestine is a roman word.

Musa:

Goldstein was one man, driven mad: an exception, an aberration.

A tiny - if momentarily vocal - fringe agreed with his bloody deed, then it crawled back into the woodwork, to be silent ever since.

The Government of Israel, Jewish communities across the globe, the US Government and responsible authorities world-wide roundly condemned Goldstein's rashness.

Go ahead - name one more such an Israeli or Jewish shooter: you can't. - There aren't any.

On the other hand, the list of "Palestinians" committing racist mass-murder numbers in the high hundreds, with the tally of open sympathizers for such killings in the hundreds of thousands (at the barest minimum) in "Palestine" - and in the multi-millions throughout the dar el-Islam.

In addition, there's no shortage of serial, genocidal mass-murderers in, say, Darfur province of the Sudan, where millions of black people (many of them Moslems) are today being slaughtered or ethnically cleansed by Jihadis.

These victims should be counted together with the many millions more, who have already been murdered by Arab Islamists in the south of that blighted country, for more than 3 decades, by order of an Islamic administration which has armed, paid and supplied them.

Please take your wickedly false moral equivocations elsewhere.

may the names of the victims of this abominabal act have their names recorded in the book of life

peace unto them

many other things i could say but am a loss for words so i'll agree with earl and dc as for ahmed go FOAD nuff said

just wondering with the cordoba cathedral thing when is the vatican going to use its power and influence to mobilize a its members for the current world war think of public opinion if the holy sea issues something equall to a fatwa it would help wake up the west

ok back to drinking beer and lurking

My dear Ahmad,

There is no excuse for the targeted killing of innocent civilians by anyone, anytime.

Celebrating such acts demonstrates the possession of a severely damaged moral compass.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Someone mentioned Baruch Goldstein. I found this on GuruNet, so I couldn't make a link (don't know how to do so).


Was Baruch Goldstein Completely Innocent?

By Barry Chamish

In March 1994, an angry and crazed Dr. Baruch Goldstein supposedly walked into the Hebron Mosque within the Cave of the Patriarchs and shot 29 worshippers dead, while wounding another 60. A reexamination of the evidence more than indicated that Dr. Goldstein was, in fact, a completely innocent victim of a Shabak (General Security Services) sting operation. I had suspected something like that back in April 1994, when I published the article, Goldstein's Accomplices, in my newsletter Inside Israel, but I didn't have enought evidence to reach this conclusion until an Israeli researcher, Avraham Yosef, provided me the smoking guns this week.My suspicions were based on the following facts* On the very day of the massacre, an Arab reporter for the news magazine Yerushalayim, Khalad Abu-Tuama interviewed 25 survivors from age ning to eighty in six different hospitals and all said there was either two or three shooters.* A dozen of these survivors testified that there was more than one shooter at the Shamgar Commission of Inquiry Into The Hebron Massacre headed by Meir Shamgar, the same former Chief Justice of the Israeli Supreme Court who later presided over the government inquiry which whitewashed the Rabin assassination. Three soldiers on duty also testified that seconds after Goldstein entered the mosque, another Jew carrying a Galil assault weapon followed him in. Shamgar ruled that all the Arab witnesses perjured themselves and that the soldiers were mistaken. Only by doing so could he reach the desirable finding that Goldstein was a lone gunman. The Israeli Defence Force (IDF) originally announced that Goldstein had arrived in uniform at the mosque in his civilian Subaru. The Shamgar Commission heard very different evidence. Dr. Goldstein's wife Miriam was surprised to discover a note informing her that Baruch was called to reserve duty. She phoned the IDF duty commander for Kiryat Araba, Shmuel Eidelstein to ask if he knew where her husband was. He said he didn't. And yet, evidence presented at the Shamgar Commission proved that Goldstein arrived in Eidelstein's IDF jeep. Orders were issued by the IDF to soldiers at the mosque to prevent all women from entering. No such order had ever been previously given in the soldiers' service. The IDF ruled that Goldstein shot 111 rounds in a minute and a half. Ballistics experts such as Mustafa Adawi of the Palestinian police force denied that was possible. All victimes of the massacre said the shooting went on for five minutes at least. The IDF denied that any of the victims died outside the mosque. In fact, six Arabs, including the mosque iman, were shot by the IDF soldiers at an exit door. Shamgar ruled the soldiers shot into an unruly mob in self-defense. Police, normally on duty at the mosque, were called away to investigate the shooting of one Muhmad Ibrahim Ayat in Kiryat Arba a few minutes before Goldstein arrived at the mosque. In the wake of the Rabin assassination, another fact proved most bothersome. The Shabak ran a creepy division in Hebron called the Jewish Department. Its duty was supposedly to surveil "radicals" but, in fact, it entrapped young people opposed to the Oslo Agreement in a series of sting operations. Until the Rabin assassination sting, the most serious incident was the entrapment and subsequent long imprisonment of the Kahalani brothers, two innocents set up for planning a "massacre of Arabs." The full details of this sting are found in Chapter Seven of my Feral House book Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin (cult@feralhouse.com) The head of the Jewish Department at the time of the Hebron massacre was Carmi Gillon. Though it was his duty to surveil a "radical" like Goldstein, he was not called to testify at the commission of inquiry. This was faciliated because his brother Ilan Gillon was the registrar of the court, responsible for witness registration. Nor was Gillon demoted for the Hebron fiasco. In fact, he was appointed head of the Shabak shortly after, a position he held until a second Shamgar Commission ruled he was guilty of sloppiness in the Rabin assassination. I add that a few months ago, a source, well placed high in Israel's security and political circles, informed me the real goal of the massacre was to uprise the Arabs into conducting some massacres of Jews in retaliation, forcing the IDF to remove the settlers from Hebron and other sensitive areas in the territories for their own protection. After that, it would be much simpler to fulfill the full terms of the Oslo Agreement with the PLO. Yet with all these facts and suspicions, I still did not have enough to conclude that Goldstein was just another patsy of peace. One fact stood out for many people; Dr. Goldstein was a mild-mannered, highly educated doctor and a major in the IDF. His transformation into mass murderer did not fit his personality. To bridge the reality gap, Jewish right wing writers have come up with the unlikely theory that calls for a massacre of Jews on Purim from the mosque drove Dr. Goldstein into a sudden, maniacal fit. As psychologically improbable as this thesis is, worse is the justification claimed by some desperate extremists that he slaughtered Arabs to prevent the slaughter of Jews and thus died a hero. Thanks to the research of Avraham Yosef, we see that Goldstein died as a fall guy. He never intended to shoot anyone. Mr. Yosef begins his article, The Murder of Baruch Goldstein with an explanation of how he gathered evidence. Simply, he read every word of the Shamgar Commission report on the Hebron massacre. He notes that even though Dr. Goldstein wasn't there to defend himself, a great deal of evidence on his behalf was unintentionally offered, which was all, very intentionally, dismissed by Shamgar. The following evidence, taken directly from the Shamgar Commission's Final Report, points to a very different massacre than the one Shamgar described to the public in his findings. Point by point: Although the 60 people wounded were of varying ages, all 29 dead were old. Although complete medical reports of the wounded were written, not one full report was prepared for the dead. While some of the wounded were shot by bullets, most were hit by shrapnel, the vast majority in their legs. A soldier in a booth had the duty of watching the mosque from three TV cameras within the prayer hall. One camera was broken that day and the shooter(s) stood within its lens field. Yosef asks if the shooter(s) was told where to be out of camera range beforehand. Dr. Goldstein arrived in IDF uniform. The guards asked him if he was on reserve duty and he calmly answered that he was. They reported no change from his normal behavior. He left before his wife woke up and she knew nothing of a call to serve in the reserves. Yosef asks why he would have bothered putting on a uniform when he could have just as easily entered the mosque in everyday clothing. The soldier guarding the prayer hall entrance within the mosque testified that Dr. Goldstein did not pass by him. That means he could have only entered through one of the two locked side entrances and since he didn't have a key, that would have required help. An Arab witness who got a close look at Dr. Goldstein described him as being tall and wearing black ear protectors. Goldstein was short and his ear protectors were found in his gun belt unused and colored off white. According to this man's testimony, writes Yosef, Dr. Goldstein wasn't the shooter the man saw. Numerous Arabs saw Dr. Goldstein subdued by up to twenty men armed with the same metal nightsticks. The IDF soldier watching the events on his TV monitor saw three such men armed with iron batons subdue Dr. Goldstein. One Arab witness told the police he saw a man open a storage closet and hand out the nightsticks to the worshipers. Yosef concludes that such a collection of weapons would not likely have been stored inside the mosque unless planted there to be later distributed by an agent provocateur. All witnesses, Arab and Jew, heard two explosions before the shooting. Yet no grenade shrapnel was found in the prayer hall. Shamgar concluded that the explosions were caused by the imam Sheikh Jamal Natsha, twice slapping his hand in fear on his microphone, which was broadcast loudly as booms in the speaker system after the shooting began. As Yosef notes, the explosions were heard BEFORE the shooting began "but we will never know the truth since the imam was shot to death while leaving the mosque." Yosef paints the following scenario: Since he was on standby duty, Dr. Goldstein would not have thought it unusual to be called into the reserves in the middle of the night. He was driven to the mosque and escorted to a side door. He entered with his two unintended accomplices. They threw two stun grenades into the crowd and shot blank bullets. Then they left the prayer hall, locking the door behind them. Goldstein was alone and armed facing the mob. The old people were trampled by the mob and they were the only ones to die. Notes Yosef, "Dr. Goldstein wasn't capable of killing people so he followed regulations and shot at their feet to keep the crowd at bay. Many bullets ricocheted off the floor, explaining the shrapnel wounds in the legs of most victims." NO ONE, NOT EVEN THOSE SUBDUING HIM WITH METAL NIGHTSTICKS WAS SHOT DEAD BY DR. BARUCH GOLDSTEIN. Avraham Yosef concludes, "Dr. Baruch Goldstein was found guilty of mass murder by the government media in a pre-designed campaign though he killed no one. The fingerprints of the real plotter behind this ghastly plot are on the hands of the then-head of the Jewish Department of the Shabak." This conclusion I do endorse. No act was too ugly or hideous to be committed on behalf of peace.

For the past five years, various people have told me that Jewish
worshippers in the Cave of the Patriarchs heard Dr. Baruch Goldstein
banging on the door begging someone to open it. Either because they
couldn't or wouldn't, no one opened the door. Instead they heard
Goldstein's screams as he was, we were told, bludgeoned to death.
The government would not allow an autopsy to be performed on Dr.
Goldstein's body, even when his wife requested it. This week I found
out why.
An informant gave me the phone number of Itzhak Dov Reinitz of the
Jerusalem burial society which organized Dr. Goldstein's funeral. He
added, he also knows about the Rabin bodyguard who was buried on the night of the assassination.
...But Goldstein was something I'll never forget. His body came in a bag in tiny pieces. He was decapitated, his limbs were torn off, his body was butchered inside and out."
I asked what is needed to decapitate a body. He replied that a
sharpheavy instrument like an ax or butcher's knife was used. Now what was an ax doing inside the mosque where worshippers must pass through military inspectors and metal detectors?
The government's Shamgar Commission Of Inquiry Into The Hebron
Massacre concluded that Goldstein was bludgeoned to death by iron bars,
strangely, handed out by someone who found them in a storage closet. Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies and more Lies, Lies, Lies. I spoke to the man who prepared what was left of Goldstein's body for burial. Dr. Goldstein was axed and butchered to death. And the government must be lying because under honest circumstances, axes and butcher knives would never have entered the mosque.

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Dear Robert,
Gladly i see no celebrations. The one thing muslims feel today is somewhat of embarresment. No one justified the killing of children. However, the specific refference to the attacker as "heroic" was not to the fact he killed children, but to his attacking the settlement. If that is not the case, then i can only hope the person who issued the statement does not know what he is talking about.

Regards
Ahmad

The depraved individuals that commited the cold-blooded act of murder against a pregnant woman and four children are not human. Nor is a society that claims responsibility and celebrates this crime against humanity.

No society would allow mad predators to roam their neighborhood savaging women and children. Perhaps it is time to exterminate these predators for the safety of mankind. They are not human.

Ahmed:

So now you have chosen semantics to somehow justify such a brutal attack on a pregnant women and her children.

Defining it as an attack on a settlement rather than a mother driving down a road with her children lessens an act of such senceless brutality so that the muslims can feel somewhat embarrassed.

Ahmed; Do yourself a favor and for a moment step out of your muslim cloth and look at as a pure human being and know it for what it was.

Ahmed:

So now you have chosen semantics to somehow justify such a brutal attack on a pregnant women and her children.

Defining it as an attack on a settlement rather than a mother driving down a road with her children lessens an act of such senceless brutality so that the muslims can feel somewhat embarrassed.

Ahmed; Do yourself a favor and for a moment step out of your muslim cloth and look at as a pure human being and know it for what it was.

I think it is time for the IDF to carry out its threat and kill Mr. Arafat.

I am a cancer paitent and what is going on in the world today reminds me of what I am fighting in my body

The world has a cancer and it is probably at stage IV. Stage one is a cell in an organ, stage II is through the wall of the organ, stage III is in the lymph system and stage IV it is in another organ.

I am not sure just what type of cancer we have, if it is Islam or just thugs taking it over. Either way the treatemnt would be the same as with the human body. Since it is at stage IV I am afraid it is to late just to operate and remove it and chemo will probably not work. I also have my doubts that radiation would work so I guess, like some cancer patients, all we can hope for is this cancer to speed up it eating of its host until the host dies. It my be just the thugs that die out or it may be the whole religion, if it is't a religion and is a cult.

I am afraid that the world's imune system (sense or right and wrong) right now is in a very limited fight with this cancer and like some people, is in denial of the cancer.

Jim Jones was a cancer and took out his cult and David Karesh (not sure of spelling) was a cancer that was removed from society.

What kind of sub human piece of trash lies in wait for a pregnant woman and her 4 small children and guns them down (and dont give me the moslim garbage about "well IDF targets babies...bulls***...they could knock an old terrorist right our of his wheelchair with one shot and only kill his accomplices they dont target civilians...the coward moslim terrorist hides behind his women and children so they ARE killed..thats how the civilians get killed) and then what kind of disgusting regime reports the aforementioned trash (sorry to trash everywhere for the comparison) as "heros"...Israel has been more than patient with these terrorists who like to call themselves the "palestinian people"...time to take off the gloves, the hell with the world stage...time to wipe them off the earth for good, with Israel's military they could get the job done in mere days...and if any of the moslim "brothers" want to get in on it...I am sure Israel can take care of them too...guess they knew those nukes would come in handy one day...Israel (and the rest of the civilized world) will only live in peace when the cancerous growth known as islam is wiped off the earth...how fitting that Israel has nukes...some cancer is wiped out with radiation...hmm.....

In a stroke of cosmic justice, what they forgot to mention in the "holy book" was that all 72 virgins are vagina dentata. Ahhh, what an image for the rest of us to enjoy.

Islam is a death cult with neither morals nor ethics. This event dramatically shows the difference between it and any other religion on this Earth today!

jihan

Why is it only the muslims who kill innocent civilians? What about the jewish butcher who shot up a mosque in palestine, Baruch Goldstein? People in the settlements praised him for his actions and to this day people visit his grave to honor his murderous actions. Even Jews in New York thought he was a martyr.

Posted by Musa at May 2, 2004 11:51 PM

Musa...is Musa the Islamic name for Moses? Look Musa, You really should consider changing the channel instead of becoming entranced with al Jazerra. How many times have Israelis, or any other CIVILIZED people ambushed and murdered women and children like this.

You know, there have been several peaceful solutions to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. There have been offerings of land, and peace talks. The only entity holding peace in the region up is Arafat the embezzler, Hizbollah/Hezbollah/Hizbullah/Hezbullah and Hamas.

Palestine can do one of two things...

1. Continue with homicide bombings, and continue to watch their homes be bulldozed, as sheikhs and terrorists ride missles into the next life.

2. Grow up, conduct themselves like adults, (human adults that it), stop with the rock throwing (kindegarten), stop with the homicide bombings, and the ambushing of innocent people.

Only insane people (so called) would kill a child. Children aren't accountable for their actions until age 13. (Bible).

The choice is theirs. I think I'd be utterly shocked if they chose option 2.

Yeah, Musa uses the same old technique of quoting one single exception and making it out to be the norm. "Baruch Goldstein, Baruch Goldstein, Baruch Goldstein." They do the same thing with Sabra and Shatilla, trying to demonize Sharon, while never mentioning Suharto and East Timor, Assad and Hama, or the fact that 95,000 people were killed in the Lebanese War courtesy of Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran.

The Muslims and their pet hippies are apologists of the first order. They love to say "Baruch Goldstein" because of the obviously Jewish implication: "Goldstein"... practically any surname with a precious metal is of Jewish extraction. The same can be said if there is a "-stein" or "-berg" surname. The first name, "Baruch" brings to mind the famous philosopher, Baruch Spinoza... a JEW!

A lot of my "fellow" liberal friends love to cite Baruch Goldstein as "yet another" example of Jewish slaughter of "palestinians" in Israel. Funny, they are usually unable to cite the name of any of the hundreds of "palestinians" that have done the exact same thing, even though to do so would only require a cursory look at the map of any "palestinian" town, since they name bridges, schools and streets after anyone that manages to kills Jews.

To further "blame the victim" Amy Goodman at www.DemocracyNow.org said of the incident that her beloved freedom fighters "... shot and killed a pregnant SETTLER and her four daughters..." [caps mine].

Amy Goodman didn't say "a pregnant woman" or "a pregnant Israeli" or "a pregnant Jew"... she says "a pregnant Settler." I wonder why she didn't more specifically say, "... shot and killed a pregnant settler and her four settler daughters..."?

There's a biiiig difference, you know between a settler and a person.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=61758

murderers video'd thier evil execution of the little girls reveling in the terror the little girls went thruogh in thier last moments.
what kind of debased human shell inhabited by a demon does something like this

only the nazis and the arabs.

So now the jihadis are making snuff flicks.

Lets not forget Irv Rubin and his buddies at the Jewish Defense League who plotted to blow up The King Fahad Mosque in Culver City, California and the office of Congressman Dan Issa. Irv Rubin committed suicide in prison by the way. Lets not forget Dr. Robert Goldstein and his wife in Florida who also had a cache of weapons to blow up a couple of mosques. It's a crime against humanity to target innocent civilians, especially children! Terrorism in the middle east first started with Menachim Begin and his zionist buddies when they raped, murdered, and plundered the Palestinian lands. Don't forget the LRA in Uganda who butchers people in the name of christianity.

When I saw the picture of the slain Hatuel mother and five children (one unborn but near full term)being laid to rest and a picture of a happy family just prior to the barbarous event, it tore the heart out of me because the wife/mother and children reminded me a lot physically of my own son and daughter and their children, my grandchildren.

The gloating Fatah and Islamic jihad killers and praise heaped on them by PA Media broadcasts is both heinous and despicable. Amy Goodman's characterization of the family of slain "Settlers" frankly outrages me. But I have learned to expect nothing but the most craven comments from left radical Jews who populate the airwaves on Radio Pacifica. They have really lost their moral compasses, as Bob Spencer is wont to say.

Bringing the terrorists who killed Mrs. Hatuel and her precious children to justice is important.

Equally important is preserving the memories of the slaughtered innocents, whose interment was pictured on the front pages of several major newspapers this morning.

Besides protesting the political status of the Palestinian authority as suggested by some on my listserv, there is a more practical means of expressing "rachmonis" (compassion in Ivrit) for the Hatuel family survivors: make contributions in their memories to One Family-a foundation established by Canadian Marc Belzberg to heal the savage wounds of terrorist victims in Israel.

Go to: www.onefamily.co.il to find out more about their good works and how you may contribute.

May Ha Shem preserve the memories of Mrs. Hatuel and her dearest and precious possesions, her children.

Maybe it is time to take the Gloves off Israel Let them realy fight this war and also our men in Iraq as well. I'm sick of all the excuses of the muslums they kill their own as well as those they can get away with look at all the conflicts around the world and you will find muslums killing Babys and , Mothers. time to kick a butt or two and don't bring up the pictures of naked men in jail in Iraq they are still alive if it was Saddam doing it they would be dead and are those the same men who dismembered our Marines and killed other Iraqis and Raped PFC Linch

Here's CAMERA's news flash on the callous NPR treatment of the slaughter of Mrs. Hatuel and her children in Gaza.

If you thought Amy Goodman lost her moral compass, then so did Julie McCarthy and the entire NPR editorial team and my bete noire, Bruce Drake, VP for news. Blaming the victim. Yeah, sure! When you can't fess up and call a cold blooded set of murders, murders, then you resort to noxious nostrums like this.

You can also thank Joan Croc for doling out $200 million to subsidize this monopolist of the public airwaves and its left radical broadcast crew living in up in taj mahal facilities in our nation's swamp.

Read the CAMERA commentary and send appropriate email to the NPR news team: they deserve hell!!

Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America
www.camera.org

Shalom CAMERA E-Mail Team:

In perhaps the most distorted coverage of the brutal murder of a pregnant Israeli mother and her four young daughters, NPR's Julie McCarthy today blamed the victims for their own slaughter. In the atrocity yesterday, the gunmen reportedly targeted the family's car from 20 yards away. When 34-year-old Tali, a social worker who was in her last trimester of pregnancy, lost control of the vehicle, the Palestinian terrorists approached the vehicle and executed Tali and her daughters -- Hila, 11; Hadar, 9; Roni, 7 and Merav, 2 --one by one at close range. According to press reports, the younger children were still strapped into their car seats, the car was blood-soaked, and it took the ZAKA recovery crew a long time to extract all of the bullets and collect the body parts.
Julie McCarthy's egregious statement on "Morning Edition" today came at the end of a report about Ariel Sharon's referendum loss on his "disengagement" plan. McCarthy reported: "The settlers rallied support saying Israel was withdrawing under fire. But there was ample evidence yesterday to show that their continued presence in Gaza is provoking bloodshed. Israeli troops shot dead two Palestinian gunmen after the men ambushed a mother and her four small daughters outside the Gaza settlement of Gush Katif. The family was shot and killed on their way to the Israeli city of Ashkelon where they intended to campaign against Ariel Sharon and his plan to uproot them from Gaza. Julie McCarthy, NPR news, Jerusalem."

BLAMING THE VICTIM
McCarthy's editorializing that the Jewish community's "continued presence in Gaza is provoking bloodshed" is consistent with the Palestinian Authority view that the killing of settlers is a natural and legitimate outgrowth of the fact that Jews dare to inhabit territory that the Palestinians claim as their own. According to Ha'aretz, "A senior Palestinian source said he thought there was no chance the Palestinian Authority would express reservations, since every settler was considered an integral part of the occupation against which action must be taken" (Danny Rubinstein, 5/3/04).

Of course, though, there is no justification whatsoever within international law that justifies the killing of civilians simply because they live in territory which others claim as their own. Unfortunately, McCarthy's report suggests justification where there is none.

REVERSING CAUSE AND EFFECT
McCarthy further distorts the killing of the Hatuel family members by reversing the chronology of events. She states: "Israeli troops shot dead two Palestinian gunmen after the men ambushed a mother and her four small daughters outside the Gaza settlement of Gush Katif." Why is the Israeli response mentioned before the Palestinian murder? The result is that the defensive Israeli action is amplified while the Palestinians' barbarous act is de-emphasized.

SOFT-PEDALLING THE MURDER
McCarthy's sanitized description of the Hatuels' murder employs equivalent language to describe Israel's shooting of murderers and the murderers' butchering of young children and their mother. Thus, "Israeli troops shot dead two Palestinian gunmen," "the men ambushed a mother and her four small daughters," and "the family was shot and killed." From these indistinguishable descriptions, listeners would have no clue as to the brutality of the execution of a mother and four children whose bodies were riddled by dozens of bullets shot at point blank range.

ACTION ITEMS:

1) Contact your local NPR affiliate station and its Board Members to protest the violation of basic journalism and ethics apparent in the continuing broadcast of partisan reports. POLITELY express your disgust that they would broadcast a news report that blames a mother and her 4 young daughters for their own brutal murder. Ask the station manager to call NPR executives to express concern about the offensive editorializing in the news report.

To locate the affiliate in your area, go to www.npr.org and click on "Find a station."

2) Let underwriters of your local NPR affiliate know about NPR's partisan, distorted reporting. Suggest that they share concerns about the shoddy reporting with the station's management. Enlist underwriters as allies. Note that advertising during NPR news programs can harm the reputation of their company. These underwriters are often listed on the affiliate's website.

3) Suspend financial support for NPR and its affiliates until the network ceases its damaging anti-Israel bias. Be sure to let your station know why!

4) Write to NPR executives and urge that they edit their reports more rigorously to delete anti-Israel editorializing and distortions.

Bruce Drake, Vice President for News and Information: bdrake@npr.org
Kevin Klose, NPR President: Kklose@npr.org
Kenneth Stern, Executive Vice President: Kstern@npr.org

5) Write a letter-to-the-editor to your community newspaper and blow the whistle on NPR's biased Middle East reporting. This is a good way of educating the community about the problem.

6) Please send CAMERA blind copies of your letter(s): cameraletters@aol.com

With thanks,
Tamar Sternthal
Senior Research Analyst
CAMERA

Right On Catherine! Sooner or later there has to be a final straw...I too just saw the pictures, beautiful innocent little girls, lovely pregnant woman...enough is enough...Israel needs to hit that pile of garbage with all its might...this was the straw that broke the camels back (no pun intended)...the moslims screwed with the most powerful force on earth....a mother....time for the air campaign to begin...I too am getting sick of pussyfooting around these muslims...ooohhh we are hiding in our mosque..cant shoot us...ooohhh we are in our holy cities..no infidels can come in...holy sh** who cares where they are, they have no respect for any other religions holy places (recall the filthbags stinking up the Church of the Nativity)...time for the earth to have some peace...for all the bleeding hearts...imagine for a moment how scared those little girls were when the subhuman maniacs came up shooting, imagine their pain and then tell me how we are "torturing" the pigs.

The official PA media were happy over this murder. Why does anyone fund or negotiate with thugs who have not yet turned over any information on who killed the 3 Americans, burn American flags and support Arafat's wife and child in France? Their charter has not changed and rather than want a state to blossom they prefer to kill their own children.

Dear humans I want to let the whole world know that islam in all interpritations does not allow killing of the blind, the old, women, children , plants and animals. This was cleary a terreble thing. As you all know this is called tit for tat two wrongs dont make a right, maybe it was done by someone who had there wif and children killed by the head of all evil [zionists] sick isnt it but its all your fault [zionists] if your God has promised you the land than does he tell you to kill children and women to get it now the sme has been done to you how sad I hope it teaches you a lesson and stops you from robbing the land of other people and let your God give you the promised land rather than you trying to take it and anyway how can all nations worship there as you say if everyone is a goy[gentile] and you are the chosen ones, only ISLAM has 0 racism and different nations in its fold.

Hey, we have a Muslim taking to us humans. Who was promised what?

Palestinians need to take off for Jordan and stop with their killing. Muslims in general need reform to turn Islam from a death cult into a religion.

Muslims also need to stop blaming everyone else for their own miscalculations and shortcomings. Many feel this won't happen. Therefore, Islam will either reform itself into a respectable faith, or it will eventually be erased from existence.

SUGGESTION, PLEA, etc.

There is an online newspaper called ArabNews that is the quasi-official electronic propaganda rag of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Its "news" is a spew of anti-Americanism and anti-Israel propaganda. You know the kind--has a permanent "Remembering 911" link that does not work and a "Life of the Prophet" one that, of course, does.

It does, however, have one good feature. It has a "Comment" capability so that the Dhimmis can send kiss a-- messages back.

MY SUGGESTION TO ALL OF YOU:

Go to www.arabnews.com and go to the "comment" buttons at the bottom of the stories. Then GIVE 'EM HELL.

I particularly suggest listing, over and over and over again the names of Mrs. Hatuel and her five children. You can get them from the Israeli foreign ministry website www.israel.org

My apologies to Mr. Spencer if I am taking advantage of his site, but this is war.

Rick:

I don't mind your talking about this, but I must urge everyone not to bombard Arab News or anyone else with abusive remarks, insults, etc. Such will not serve any purpose except to reinforce prejudices, increase antagonism, and possibly even jeopardize Jihad Watch as a whole.

The most effective way to write to them, if you are so inclined, is to be very specific (and adjective-less) about what they are doing that you find offensive, and ask a lot of questions. Yes, this is war. Let us fight so as to win.

Cordially,
Robert Spencer

It is my opinion that Islam is the religion of the devil.
Islam is the biggest con job made by Satan.
Only the Devil loves death and murder..

Islam=evil, not love.

And sadly Muslim's are suckered into the mindset that killing themselves to kill others they don't like will give them a straight shot to heaven with Allah and 70 virgins..when it is really the devil and 70 demons in hell.

MUSA SEZ:

Lets not forget Irv Rubin and his buddies at the Jewish Defense League who plotted to blow up The King Fahad Mosque in Culver City, California and the office of Congressman Dan Issa. Irv Rubin committed suicide in prison by the way.

Keith: Maybe Irv was crazy? The key word here is "plotted to blow up..." NOT "did blow up..." dipshit. Too bad they didn't get Issa though.

MUSA:

Lets not forget Dr. Robert Goldstein and his wife in Florida who also had a cache of weapons to blow up a couple of mosques.

Keith:

Again, "almost blew up a mosque" is not equivalent to "did blow up a mosque." Can Israel start punishing anyone that plots? If so, look for "palestine" to be deserted. I know you love the name "Goldstein" because it sounds Jewish, but he is a christian convert that was wearing a cross when they caught him.

MUSA:

It's a crime against humanity to target innocent civilians, especially children!

Keith:

So why do you apologize for Hamas and muslim terrorists? You probaly mean "to target innocent muslim children" don't you?

MUSA:

Terrorism in the middle east first started with Menachim Begin and his zionist buddies when they raped, murdered, and plundered the Palestinian lands.

I thought the King of England gave them the "Palestinian Mandate"? Since when did a King have to ask the locals about what he does with his land? Does the King of Saudi Arabia ask his people about what he can do? Did the King of Holland have to ask the locals for permission when he sold the US the Virgin Islands in 1917?

How about when Pakistan raped, murdered, and plundered the Indian lands? Or the Bangladeshi lands? Or when Syria raped, murdered and plundered Lebanese lands? Since Jews didn't do it, no big deal?

MUSA:

Don't forget the LRA in Uganda who butchers people in the name of christianity.

Keith:

At democracynow! they have forgotten it. 20,000 children have been taken by the LRA (and most likely killed) in the last five years. For those of you not keeping score, that is four times the murder rate in "palestine" since the "current intifada" was begun by Arafat and his Saudi masters. But dn! has no metion of it; they, like so many others are too busy criticizing Israel.

Don't forget the Jihadis murdering children in the name of Islam in Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Tunisia, Morroco, Spain, Lebanon, Chechnya, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indian, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, the Philippines, and... America.

If an Israeli soldier accidently kills an Arab girl in a shootout with terrorists, the Arabs say "Genocide! Genocide!" But if an Arab kills his own daughter because she has a late period, they say "You have restored your family honor. Well done."

Things that shoot women and small children at point blank range are not humans, not reptiles, not rodents. They are some as yet undefined vile lower life form - and the ones who celebrate and seek credit for such an appalling atrocity are just as bad. Take the gloves off Israel. Kithenn

To understand the nature of Islam and Palestinian society, go to the schools. See what the children are taught. Are they taught to seek peace? To try to live in peace with their neighbors?

Or are they taught hate - to hate Jews, to kill Jews wherever they find them, to strap bombs around themselves and board busses and enter pizza stores, cafes, supermarkets and movie theaters, and murder as many men, women and children as they can?

What do Muslim clerics preach? And what do Palestinian Arabs teach their children?

My very good friend is a Jew who was born and raised (until about 10 years old) in Iran. He was school age at the time of the revolution. When the islamic fundamentalists took hold of the schooling, he found himself being forced to speak "Death to Israel, Death to America!" before his morning lessons. Talk about a culture in love with death. His family was lucky to flee at the right time, because it would have only been a matter of time before his family would have been murdered.

I know this is not related directly to this horrifying multi murder. I'm sick of the "Islam: Religion of Peace" bull-pucky mantra I keep hearing.