Why should we start hearing protests against Saudi Arabia? The best fiend, I mean friend, of the US in our War on Terror. Just ask any high-ranking govt. official.

Remember, the Saudis represent all that is good and just in the religion of peace. Those Brits probably had it coming, being infidels and all, and not sensitive to cultural diversity.

I swear, if Kerry really wants to be President (and I cringe at that thought) he should hammer away at Bush and his ties to the Saudis, like his cigar smoking pal, Prince Bandar Bush. But Kerry won't, because 1) he's a doofus, and 2) the Dems have too many palms greased as well.

Saudi Justice - I love that oxymoron

Why have the Dem.'s in the Senate stop-ed the energy bill for three years ? That will free the USA from Forgien oil get off your but-'s and call the senaters make them do their Job! Oh good news the million Mom March only 2k showed up that is good more mothers with guns!

God Bless this Great Country
Part Of the American Tribe

Catherine,

Because the 'energy bill' as it stands will do NOTHING to reduce our oil and gas consumption. This administration has suspended a regulation from the Clinton years as simple as mandating an increase in air conditioner efficiency

I was in Saudi Arabia before, during, and after this. None of us western ex-pats believed the Saudi story. And the continuing bombings confirmed our beliefs. The Saudi authorities presented it to us as alcohol and drug related - think bootleg wars. Liquor comes into the Kingdom in Sealift container lots. Everyone gets his cut - from senior customs officials (think royal family here) down to local police chiefs.

Shortly after these guys were picked up, a French bank executive was killed in a bombing incident. This was allegedly related to alcohol or money laundering.

jay

Normally I wouldnt put such an extensive article on the comment area ,but I thought this was worth the read.

Up Against Fanaticism By Phil Lucas, Executive Editor, Panama City New Herald

If straight talk of savagery offends you, if you believe in ethnic and gender diversity but not diversity of thought, or if you think there is an acceptable gray area between good and evil, then turn to the funny pages, and take the children, too. This piece is not for you.

We published pictures Thursday of burnt American corpses hanging from an Iraqi bridge behind a mob of grinning Muslims. Some readers didn't like it.

Mothers said it frightened their children. A woman who works with Muslim physicians thought it might offend or endanger them.

Well, we sure don't want to frighten, offend or endanger anybody, do we? That's just too much diversity to handle. I mean, somebody might get hurt.

We could fill the newspaper every morning with mobs of fanatical Muslims. They can't get along with their neighbors on much of the planet: France, Chechnya, Bosnia, Indonesia, Spain, Morocco, India, Tunisia, Somalia, etc. etc. etc. Can anybody name three ongoing world conflicts in which Muslims are not involved? Today, where there is war, there are fanatical Muslims.

We might quibble about who started what conflicts, but look at the sheer number of them. One thing is sure. Muslim killers started the one we are in now when they slaughtered more that 3,000 people, including fellow Muslims, in New York City.

Madeleine Albright, the former secretary of state and feckless appeaser who helped get us into this mess, said last week Muslims still resent the Crusades. Well, Madam Albright, if Westerners were not such a forgiving people, we might resent them too.

Let's recap the Crusades. Muslims invaded Europe, and when they reached sufficient numbers, they imposed their intolerant religion upon Westerners by force. Christian monarchs drove them back and took the battle to their homeland. The fight lasted a couple of centuries, and we bottled them up for 1,000 years.

Now, a millennium later, Muslims have expanded forth again. Ask France.Ask England. Ask Manhattan. Two-and-a-half years ago fanatical Muslims laid siege to us. We woke up to the obvious. Our president announced it would be a very long war, then took the battle to the Islamic homeland. Sound Familiar?

Let's consider the concept of a "long war." Last time it was 200 years, give or take. Anybody catch Lord of the Rings? You know, the good part, the part that wasn't fiction, the part that drew us to the books and movies because it was the truest part: the titanic struggle between good and evil, between freedom and enslavement, between the individual and the state, between the celebration of life and the worshipping of death.

That's the fight we are in, and it never ends. It just has peaks and valleys.

There may be a silent majority of peaceful Muslims - some live here - but that did not save 3,000 people in the World Trade Center, the million gassed and butchered in the Middle East, the tens of thousands slain in Eastern Europe and Asia, the hundreds blown to bits in the West Bank and Spain, or the four Americans shot, burned and hung like sausage over the Euphrates as a fanatical minority of Muslims did the joyful dance of death.

Maybe we are so tolerant, we are so bent on "diversity," we are so nonjudgmental, we are so wrapped up in our six-packs and ballgames that our brains have drained to our bulbous behinds. Maybe we're so addled on Ritalin we wouldn't know which end of a gun to hold. Maybe we need a new drug advertised on TV every three minutes, one that would help us grow a backbone.

It doesn't take a Darwin to figure out that in this world the smartest, the fastest, the strongest, and the most committed always win. No exceptions.
Look at your spouse and children. Look at yourself in the mirror. Then look at the pictures from the paper last Thursday. You better look at them. Those are the people out to kill you.

Who do you think will win? You? Or them? Think you can take your ball and go home and they will leave you alone? Read a little history. Start with last week, last month, last year, and every other year back for half a century. Then go back a thousand years. Nobody hides from this fight.

Like it or not, that's the way it was and that's the way it is. But many Americans don't get it. That's why we published those pictures. If they jarred you off the sofa, if they offended you, if they scared your children and sent you into a rage at mass murderers or heartless editors, then I say, it's a start.

Ethylred,
So you have read the bill? I think Not! You just hate Bush because you can't for-give yourself for your two votes for Clinton. Because you have you head half way out of your hole and have seen all the info on Clinton and what he sold to china and N.Korea to now have Nukes pointed at you and to find that they will sell them to Terrorist put your anger where it should be.

Catherine:
Ethylred has a point. Bush's energy bill does not address the fundamental reliance of our economy on fossil fuels. What is required is an Apollo Project/ Manhattan Project commitment to making the USA the leader in alternative energy sources and to free us from our dependence upon the Middle East oil. Bush has talked about alternative fuels and provided some money for R&D. But there is no national energy policy that will move us out of fossil fuels and intoo alternative fuels asap.
Your comments would be easier to read if you would take the time to punctuate.
Mike H

I saw the 60-Minutes show yesterday and it was good. It's time to wake up to the true nature of the Saudis. Where was the British Embassy when these guys were being tortured? Why were they not visited by embassy staff and asked about their treatment?
Then there was a show about the US captain who tried too stop the MyLai massacre in Vietnam. Very moving.
Evil always happens in war on all sides. It is to our credit that we publicize it, and then absorb the lesson. It is telling that this ex-soldier is now lecturing at West Point, Annapolis, etc. We are taking the high road and this will ultimately provide us with power to prevail.
We need more shows like these two to counteract the reflexive 'breat-beating' of the critics.

Mike H

Mike H.
Did you walk before you learned to crawl? If so you are not Human. The Idea of show-ing these pictures in the middle of the war is stupid. You are on the side of the Terrorist and the Dem.s you have proved this in your statment. This stuff was clasified guess you are for post-ing nuke secreats on the web, so every-one who hates America can nuke you. Remember they don't like any pubs no Beer no Mini skirts or half of how you live. What about the Saudis who killed 50 for have-ing a same-sex wed-ding you have your head half out of the hole time to come all the way out. As for my write-ing I Am not Prefect like you think you are.

Part of th American Tribe

Who voted down Anwar? One good thing is what could be the greatest find yet off, and on the west coast of Africa.
There may be deposits of sweet crude that will be greater than what has been found in the middle east. Sweet crude can allow for almost direct pumping into oil tankers, thus dramatically reducing the cost of oil products.

Catherine:

I am not happy about CBSs` 60 minutes II broadcasting of those pictures either, after all a picture is worth a thousand words.

However I do disagree with your assessment of Michael Hartrich`s comments from the show. Lets face it, the pictures are out there, so we do have to take the high road and show the world how we deal with people who do these things. And even in the face of these corrupt and twisted regimes who wouldnt apologize for any of their atrocities.

The Mylai massacre was an ugly episode from the Vietnam war that should have never been allowed to happen. And yes war is hell ,but what Lt.Calley permitted to happen was unacceptable.

it seems to me that we started the war on terro in then wrong country.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the media to noise any outrage at Saudi torture of prisoners.

Dog;

take a look at the demographics`of Iraq and how it is positioned among the other middle eastern countries. Then review the actions of Saddam Hussein and his corrupt regime over the past 13 years as it relates to ignoring 16 U.N. resolutions ,plus UN # 1441. Recognize that Hussein used weapons of mass destruction on the Iranians, and on the Kurds in Northern Iraq, killing thousands of them. also remember how he deliberatly invaded Kuwait without any provocation. The fact that he thumbed his nose at the rest of the world for all those years and that he had threatened America in his speeches even after 9-11 , The fact that the united nations security council voted against him. The fact that he sent money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers and It simply reached a point where the free world could no longer take a chance that he was not up to something.

Th Reason the Arabs and other Mulsums can not take out Isreal, and want the rest of the world to do it is! Why Terek is afraid of Me!
The Truth
Qur'an 5:32 On the account: we ordained for the Children of Isreal that if any one slew a person-unless it be in retaliation for murder or spreading mischief in the land it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone save a life it would be as if he save all mankind.

And we all know that many of doctors of this land and others are Jewish !
The Arabs Know that God did deliver Jews from their Slavery and left a curse of Death upon them.
This is why America can not turn our backs on Isreal Look at what happened to Germany in WW2 for siding with the Arabs.

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courge to Victory Amen

jimbabwe, the iraq the model by the iraqi blogger ali is at
http://www.iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

catherine: all you can do is go around and tell people that they are terrorists? because thats all you do. you just say that a person has terrorist intentions and is a terrorist if they say something that you dont like. try to be reasonable for once and use an actual argument.