This is wrong, wrong, wrong...
Muslims need to be held to a higher standard...that is one of human decency. We need to stop playing politically correct games here. Next thing we'll be hearing is how horrible it is that in war people actually have to die. The lefties will begin the push for the U.S. to capture, rather than kill the enemy. Trouble is...the other side will not play by the same rules...as history has shown. To win this war...the gloves need to come off.

You know, it's nice that Bush is angry. So am I. What I want him to do is let the military fight in Iraq to win even if it means bombing a mosque. I want him to punish the Palestinians for murdering three diplomats but cutting off all funding. I want him to bomb rather than bribe the warlords of Afghanistan. I want him to turn over Iraq to the Iraqis. I want him to stop apologizing and act.

Our inaction gives terrorists strength, not a few bad photos.

These are the last days of the Bush administration. It is coming un-glued at the hands of treasonous bastards who will sell-out our nation at any cost, just to defeat George W.
Democrats, be careful what you wish for!

Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh
John F. Kerry's gonna win

Humiliation?

As if it wasn't sad/bad enough that Mr Bush apologized to the King of Jordan (who isn't even an Iraqi!), what about poor Don Rumsfeld virtually having to say that he was sorry and that the Allies, with one hand already tied behind their backs, will now tie up the other as well! BAH!!

The sooner that the ol' "hearts 'n' minds" thing's consigned to history, the better!

There's no substitute for victory.

Without condoning the treatment of Japanese-American civilians during WWII, it could well be that the most efficacious way of WINNING is to go all-out now, and then - once victory's been secured - express regrets and pay compensation to those who were wronged in the course of defeating a fanatical, mortal enemy, who are attacking us in a war to the death.

Fox News Fight In Ohio @ bar video freed Looks like Muslums Attack on another Bar. We know that farakan pledged to side with Saddam. Wake up America! Lets see if this is looked into? This is what is happen-ing all over the world!

God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give Them Strenth and Courage to stay the Course to Victory AMEN

Part of the American Tribe

Feed need coffee

I have a - maybe stupid - question. Why did someone take pictures? They must have known that that kind of behaviour wasn't acceptable. Why take pictures with the chance they would be revealed?

Chaya,

The WHOLE thing was stupid. Even if you don't control the press, things like this ALWAYS come out.

Hard Facts ! who were these people ? what imformation did they have? how long did we have to find the VX gas? Instesd of 700 lost would we be talking about 130,000 dead? Oh we know they had these weapons some turned up in Jordan! 20,000 tons to be the Fact! How did Jordan get a confession so fast? Yes we did embarss these men but who were they? Were they the same men who through people off the buildings of cut up little Children or the rapeist Saddamn imployed? we have asked a huge task of our fighting men lets give them some credit! we have saved most of the Iraqi people so they can be free. People have to look at this as it is and be pissed at those who reliced those pictures to make America Look bad well we are are good people! We have done a good thing not only for ourselfs but the Whole Middle east. Saudis when they need information do they walk away if they don't talk? I think not. These people did not steal a peice of bread they are murders Who had information on where the VX gas was. How do you think David Kay Knew they were in Syari? That turned up in Jordan 20,000 tons of would have killed 80,000 people. The truth is our people have to do what it takes to get the job done these people want to kill us. Lets talk about the man who died in Brizle was on a ship headed to Canada with a suitcase full of antrax came from Egept after Durri was there I cruse your mustash! these people had the means and were going to use them. Now you can Hate Bush but get you head out of the sand 9/11 happend and they still are working to kill you

God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and all who Fight with Her give Them Strength and Courage to stay the Course to Victory Amen
Part of the American Tribe

And should anyone doubt who the muslims want to win, check out the resident jihadist. Time to target the news media outlets. Their sophomoric behavior is aiding the enemy. The Dems want power so badly that they are willing to discredit, lie and overlook illegal and unethical tactics of their own. They are, in this day of war, dangerous.

"If all this coverage is leaving you demoralized, and hopeless, and depressed, let me suggest that this isn't an accident -- it's the goal." -Glenn Reynolds, Instapundit

You guys are really pitiful.. Still trying to find some weak lame excuses for the WMD. Catherine did you get your sorry excuse for talking points from that Larry Elder editorial from the weekend? Why cant you just accept that you where bamboozled by your saintly president into being so scared of saddam and his mythical cruise missles with Sarin Gas.. its not like it really matters anymore that lie is in the past now and the war happened so america has to do its best to fix the messed up situation that it has created. So keep watching your "good news from iraq" segments on foxnews and keep blaming liberals but when it comes down to it you are just blinding yourself to the truth.

Saddam didn't ever have WMDs, righ Joe?
Those pictures of the kurds he gassed were a part of a fraternity prank- you yell "dead beetle" and everyone has to lie and the ground and pretend to assume room tempertaure.
I am sure that poison found in Jordan had nothing to do with Saddam.

those pics of the kurds happened in the late 80's before gulf war 1 and the weapons inspections... I never said that he didnt have weapons at one point I am saying that when this country used fear as a tactic to justify its war those weapons did not exist because they had been destroyed. second there is no proof that the chemicals that where going to be used in the jordan attack where from iraq and for that matter I believe they are chemicals that can be purchased on the free market. correct me if im wrong on that but do provide documentation.

Joesph,
So Jordan Lied?
Who is Larry Elder?
We know you are a terrorist!
We went in to Iraq cause they be shoot-ing at our planes and 9/11 said we aint taken no more as simple as that if you don't like it go live in a cave with your freinds!!!!
Even the Iatoola of Iran is going to open his own we page so I guess you mulsums like some of our tec.

Part of the American Tribe

I'm thinking that these photos weren't as stupid as they seem to be. Are our soldiers that idiotic and immoral? Is the CIA that stupid? These were not jaywalkers in this prison, they were insurgents/killers and we needed to debrief them. If showing them some mocked up ridiculous photos would make them change their tunes, good for us! As for the dogs attacking the "poor Iraqi prisoner", those dogs were leashed and they're trained. Those dogs were nowhere near the alleged criminal/could've been a Yank, can you tell, but I'll bet images like that are very powerful and make people talk. We're at war. Can you jolly them into talking by offering them a Sno-Cone?

Reza the floater appears to be looming:

Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh
John F. Kerry's gonna win

Posted by Allahu Akbar at May 10, 2004 02:08 AM

Even if Kerry did win (which he won't), so what? Aloha Akbar, terrorists aren't going to take over this land no matter who's running the country.

I'll refer you to our U.S. Constitution, Amendment 2, which by the way is becoming stronger with conceal/carry permits. Think again little fools.

Muslims are losing here like they're losing over in the sand. They come to America, trying to achieve preferential treatment because of the irrelevent fact that they're Muslim.....Who cares?

Islam is far from even being close to respectable in comparison to real faiths. As a cult, Islam shouldn't be respected like true religions, for it preaches death and destruction of the innocent and the weak, children and the elderly. Islam can dispense anger, hate, and disdain. However, when that anger, hate, and disdain is aimed at them, they've learned to scream racism, and religious bias.

It's not working. The facade is transparent. You weren't intelligent enough to take over our Constitution. And you'll all eventually be expelled from the U.S. or pay other penalties. Muslims have worn out their welcome in America.

When 80% of the Islamic world is illiterate, that makes for alot of people running out in front of tanks, being squashed like insects and worms. Few respect Islam. The few I speak of are just not aware of Islam's true desires.

Try to take Islamic jihad to our streets, and you'll see what happens. Go ahead, we "triple dog dare you." Islam has become a joke, just another Pagan Cult. It isn't up to us to change world opinion of Muslims, it's up to the Muslims. A great start would be for Muslims to realize that Mohammed (sboh) was a nut case, hell bent on any type of destructive process he could think of involving himself in.

He was a menace, and a criminal. He was a rapist, and a child molester. Yet so many Muslims consider this whacko a prophet. Next, Muslims can stop engaging in conflict with the civilized world. This is like a crazed kindergarten student on a field trip to the zoo, starting a fight with a Bison or a Rhino........U CANT WIN.

Muslims attacked a bar?.....Thought they didn't drink....This goes out any Muslims that think they can........Bellagio's Pub, E. Broad Street, Reynoldsburg Ohio.......C'mon on down, and test your strength........

Is that all you guys can bring to the table are those pitiful counter arguments. Will the real Catherine please respond and not the 8 year old child that hijacked her name... One key component to her post that was missing was the nationalistic/religious fundie sig that she posts with every comment.

Someone called Rush's show today to make the politically incorrect point that insurgent attacks in Iraq are down since those offensive photos surfaced and that attacks are likely to continue going down.These photos that look a lot like "porn" have been circulated around the world.Just imagaine the impact if a photo of a would-be jihadi leader in women's panties surfaces. Does anyone really think such a person would be given a leadership position even in a terrorist organization? Rush suggested there is a lot more to the photos and this story then people think.

For the record I don't condone the photos. However, this is war against an enemy who violates
the laws of war by not wearing uniforms and attacking civilians.So while I feel bad about the photos, I don't feel all that bad.

Me either Atef......Actually, they don't like the taste of the Humiliation medicine very well, now do they......They should remember that it could be much, much worse for them.

actually i would say insurgent attacks are down most likely due the end of the falujah seige. which i suspect will in the long run benefit the insurgents because it gave them a percieved victory and will allow them to recruit and get more weapons also alot of vetrans are coming out of this fighting if you rememeber the original insurgent attacks right after the end of the war where extremely lacking in skill
one thing ive observed about the fighting done by the sunnis compared to the shias is the sunnis have a lot more experince at attacking and not dying not to say a large amount of them are not getting killed but it seems in this current level of guerrila warfare the shites are still infants i suspect that it will take very little time though for them to reach the level of the insurgents based in falujah this is why time is not on our side if sadrs men keep building in skill and numbers they might become a force that could sweep te country this cannot be allowed to happen thus the situation has to be defused another thing that has to be noted is while the insurgents are getting better so are the american troops they seem to be taking very few kia and alot more wounded if that when they attack the sadr militia's. how long this will last i dont know though. anyone see the pics on gettyimages.com of the american/falujah force joint patrol well the townsfolk of falujah where under some impression that it was some kind of meeting where the marines agreed to leave the city outskirts completely which was not true but in any case a TON of falujah fighters took to the streets to parade.

Face it ... Muslims are girlie-men!

Joesph,
We know you like children!

Must have hit a cord with Joesph Ran away like a girlie-man!

Part of the American Tribe

God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to Stay the Course to Victory Amen

Here's an excerpt from an article over at "Frontpage" that makes the same point that was made on Rush's show about the "unintended" consequences of those pics.Keep in mind these are "fierce" Islamic terrorists being humiliated and humbled by females. Men who supposedly love death but not enough to refuse to pose for "porn" shots. There is also a psychological war and the US is among the best at psyops. Yes, the guilty are being punished but in the back of his mind an Islamist has to think maybe this could happen again only next time there won't be pictures as "evidence".

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Iraqi Abuse and the "Arab Street"

The prison photos spoke volumes, but to the Arab resistance, it was a totally different message than the one heard on Capitol Hill on Friday.

Whether intentional or not, the prison photos have sent a message about strength, dominance, and especially the power of women over men in a society that cannot bear such an inversion of "the proper order." It is a profound message.

Has anyone noticed that we virtually walked into Najaf this week, unopposed? Al-Sadr did nothing---in fact, he moved his operations into the British zone, after all his bluster! Has anyone noticed that Fallujah is quiet? Very few roadside bombs/suicide bombs in the last couple of days. This could all change, but it is eerie that when a message of power is sent out all over the Middle East---unintentionally on our part---it resonates. Big time.

Of course, for many reasons, some good and some bad, this episode will be investigated, and some heads will roll. But the Arab street will not take that as a sign of American or western-style "justice," rather it will interpret this as another psy-op campaign designed to conceal the real message---that American women are "stronger" than Middle Eastern men.

oh give it a rest catherine

It seems that europe can no longer wage a war against its enemies.
It is far keener to condemn the crimes of its soldiers than the crimes committed against its own people.
Whilst their soldiers pight to protect them the europeans stone them form the back.
No soldiers will operate in those conditions for any amount of time.
Prisoners who have attacked and killed US or GB troops must be treated as if they were shoplifters awaiting trial.
The world has gone crazy in a truly perverted view of moral equivalence- and itis now noy only in the case of Isaraeli/Pal events.
If a us soldier kicks over a pot plant outside an Iraqi house full of AK47 jihadists is he commoting a "war crime"?

Kile the Oklahoma Representative said at the hearing this morning. These detainees aren't in prison for parking violations.....

We owe the Arab world NO apology.

Correction: Like...not Kile......sorry, dental work, pain killers are not helping my spelling today.

MUSLIM SAVAGES!

They just executed American CIVILIAN Workers there, "saying" it's because of the XXX Rated 'scandal' abuse case.

They're savagers before or after the 'abuse sex scandal'.Of course they'll "say" it's because of "that", they're "politicians" besides being animalistic too.Fallujah/Ramallah ANIMALISM was long before!

Islam is far from even being close to respectable in comparison to real faiths. As a cult, Islam shouldn't be respected like true religions, for it preaches death and destruction of the innocent and the weak, children and the elderly. Islam can dispense anger, hate, and disdain. However, when that anger, hate, and disdain is aimed at them, they've learned to scream racism, and religious bias. by: D.C. WATSON...... ISLAM, FIRST OF ALL, IS ANYTHING BUT A CULT. IT IS THE SECOND BIGGEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD. AND SOME PITIFULLY UNEDUCATED PEOPLE CALL IT A CULT.
WHAT IS THAT. AFTER 9/11, ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WHOLE WORLD. WHY WOULD PEOPLE FROM ALL DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, RACES, AND CULTURES CONVERT TO ISLAM IF IT WAS WHAT YOU THINK OF IT AS? HOW ABOUT D.C. WATSON GOES OUT AND READS UP ON ISLAM, AND THEN YOU MIGHT GET A TASTE OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS LIKE. IT DOESNT CONDONE VIOLENCE AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE. IT DOES NOT 'preache death and destruction of the innocent and the weak, children and the elderly' IN FACT, IT DOES THE COMPLTE OPPOSITE. SO HOW ABOUT WE READ UP ON FALSE CLAIMS THAT WE MAKE, HOW ABOUT IT? BUT THE RECENTLY RELEASED PHOTOS ARE COMPLETELY WRONG. NOITCE, THE PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE PICTURES WERE FROM THE AMERICAN ARMY. SO HOW DO YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE GOOD WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT FORCE INNOCENT PEOPLE TO DO THIS KIND OF STUFF?
ps- just because 'joseph' is fighting for something right, no need to use completely childish, infantile, and immature insults (catharine, im addressing you)

"Fastest growing religion"...due to forced conversions...

We deal here with the facts...as provided by Robert Spencer and the Koran and hadiths...

Stop defending evil.

islam does not force people to convert. why would there be forced conversions? arent all you americans very strong in what you believe in? why would you convert in something you didnt believe in? some people have sense and see the truly beautiful nature of islam, and they are thus inspired by it and convert, and have a much better life than they did in their previous religion. you are not dealing with the facts. robert spencer provides the opinions of people, not facts. you want facts? go into the quran, and read it. there is nothing promoting violence against innocent people. this is war, and people die. just because muslims (young children who throw rocks at large tanks) are trying to defend what is rightfully thier land, you cannot label them as evil terrorists. doesnt the american army kill people? every time one soldier dies, there is such a big deal made. ever bothered to look at the statistics of how many muslims die every day?

Jawa

What forced religions are you talking about? What do the american people fear from the Muslims in the US so that they may be forcefully converted? It is obvious that any muslim conversion is due for their own free will.

Islam is the truth, and accepting it is just accepting reality

thanks