You people need to get a life. Your consumed by hatred. Your all going to grow up old and lonely miserable people.
Hopefully one day you will realise that you are on a fruitless journey. There's more to life than hate...

Umar : Aren't you muslims the most peaceful, civilized, kind, gentle, open-minded and tolerant people in the world? No, sorry - you really aren't.

Umar:

Actually, Umar, the problem is that Muslims are consumed by hatred. If you Muslims were not seeking world domination and just wanted peaceful co-existence, then there would be no problem. You quit bothering us and we will quit bothering you.

Unfortunately, though, we both know that will not happen because what Muslims do is religiously mandated and to stop doing it would lead to charges of apostasy. Consequently, all Western nations are going to become like Israel. We will be spending vast amounts on security to keep you Muslims under control for the forseeable future. Why we are even letting you in our countries is a vast puzzle for me given the security risks that Muslims pose.

Why don't you go and spend a few hours each day or week developing a theological basis for a peaceful Islam and then telling your co-religionists about it. And at the same time, why don't you go over to Muslim countries and tell them that freedom of conscience is a human right. We in the West allow you the freedom to practice your religion but this right is not reciprocated in Muslim countries.

In other words, Umar, the problem is YOU not us.

Umar, I like the way you said "you" people. Are we not all brothers and sisters? My belief is that we are and that we all should get along. That is unless you are of the same opinion that Americans are infidels. In that case, who is the one consumed with hatred. The people that worked in the Trade Center were guilty of nothing more than earning a living. Yet they were savagely attacked by hateful men, all in the name of Allah. No Umar, we are not the ones who misinterpret our religions to make hateful attacks on people in the name of God. We are however the people who will bring hell to those who've disrupted our peaceful existence. You are right about one thing Umar, we will be the ones that grow old. I'm afraid, however that all of the miserable hatefull people will be long gone by then.

Oil For Food - seams foot dragging by Bremmer? Bremmer summer home in France!
Gangs in Fair Fax Va. use Machetes to attack people at a mall sound familiar?
Arab American on fox News said he did'nt know who Hessbella was? said they are worried how Americans are viewing them with suspension!
saw a feed from Iraq take-ing out bombs of mosque and them some tank action remined me of Mt. Casino . Than my mind's eye went to the pictures of church in Pristana.

We are winning! Keep up the god work.
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give Them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Anger is usually a short responce to the behavior of others towards you.

Hate is a slowly aquired form of anger that needs to be fueled overtime.

Documents like the Hamas Charter that evolved from the Wahaabist fundalmentalist teachings of clerics in Saudia Arabia and created its authors such as Shieke Yassin, and Rantisi foment and fabricate hate. They learned long ago that creating hate among certain groups of people gives them power over them by the hate mongering (demogogue) precipetators that they are. This demogoguery is practiced quite openly in Islamic fundalmentalist mosques and taught in the Madrasses to young impressionable children throughout the middle east and it is also rearing its ugly head in our western civilization.

In my over 50 years of attending sermons at christian churches, I have never heard a pasture ,priest,or minister preach a sermon that defiled or spoke of hate towards another religion, and if I did, I would walk out of that church without hesitation.

Sadly this is not the case among many Islamic teachings. There is indeed a clear difference here. Actions will always speak louder than words do. I do see a lot of hostile comments on Jihad Watch, but I believe they are more seated in anger, though unfortunatly and sadly that is changing over time to that which is hate. Hopfully cooler heads will prevail from those of us who represent the real teachings of peace.

I'm having trouble over on the "The Beheading of an Innocent" thread. I can't get the comments to refresh properly (tried on two computers). Will someone else try and let me know if they can get it to work?

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Everybody on this site seems to be forgeting that since the end of WWII the US has embarked on numerous 'expeditions' bent on crushing first 'communism' and now 'terrorism'. Obviously these are just pretexts for the consolidation and maintanence of US political-economical clout. The result of 60 years of CIA covert operations, installing or deposing governments/dictatorships and a general policy of interference, coercion and in many cases war is progressively being exposed for what it is by new technologies (like the internet). The fact is that people are better informed (if not better educated) than ever before from a variety of sources and US foreign policy seems flimsy and unfounded. Nobady has the right to be the sole bearer of truth and wisdom, we can propose our truth claims and in this sense the world is a much more democratic place. Otherwise we can try and impose our will through invasion-terrorism-war, call it what you might. I'm just stressing that the US is/has been the agressor for a couple of generations now and it has understandably caused resentment abroad. Unfortunately this has been the case throughout history with all great powers/empires and people like ourselves have blindly kept on sheding our blood. Don't get me wrong I would fight&die for what I hold sacred, after all we are all tribal creatures but I certainly don't appreciate being lied to for the wrong reasons!

arxos:

Bravo! A sterling example of moral equivalency, non pareil!

/sarcasm

Umar,

Us Get a life? 20 millions dollars pays for a lot of bomb vests for muslims to strap on your children to go out and kill non muslims...

Get a life indeed....I suggest you get a place to hide...The world is awake and on to you!

No amount of double talk will obscure the truth...

I can hardly wait until all your "war" orphans are safe in Mission schools singing Jesus Loves Me!

This is the age old tale of the poor muslim that comes to New York with pennies in his pockets and turns his little ice cream operation into a multimillion dollar business...LOL..alMoayad just kept his parlors number in their book because he scoops a damn good cone, right?...give me a break...I think the "I am a poor misunderstood muslim" card has been overplayed...please entertain us with a new slogan.

arxos,
Did you have the nuts to watch the monsters who cut off the head of Mr. Berg I bet not you sound like a French-man sorry we don't care what you think we the American People love this country and will defend her what ever it takes.and we will forgive ourselfs for what we have to do,
These Monsters have come here and we will seak and destory, either you are with the winning team or you can live in saudi A. where the temps are like hell and if you like mini skirts or beer don't get caught or what happened to Mr. Berg will Happen to you.
These Monsters are on warning we are coming after you.
American has Awaken and you will not be happy, and for all you homosexauls the Right may call you to stop showing your bedrooms in our face but you had better look at what the muslums are doing to your kind in France still want to turn this war over to France ? Your choose who's side you want to be on!

Part of the American Tribe

God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces all who Fight with her give them strength and courage to stay the Course to Victory Amen

Maybe the creation of a Friday Islam is in order.

Until they can be considered part of the secular world, anyways.

Remember the human sheilds who ran away when they got a little dose of the facts that there was no freedom under saddamn well Mr. Berg was one of those who were misguided seams my post yesterday were looked into by the press and Mr. Berg was the one in OK. that let a terrorist use his computer the FBI let him go
Posted yesterday I wrot I had seen him in a video marching in gaza another misguided lib. Mr. Berg did help America by his death He brought into the light these monsters. If you know some misguided person Please remind them of what these monsters do to their freinds.

We are wait-ing for the sorry's from you who have been so outraged of late.

Part of the American Tribe

God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to VIctory Amen

Oh, THIS is a nice strategy: act like you're mentally RETARDED and the judge will let you off, even if you've told him you're GUILTY!

Sifton is the REAL idiot, the defendant just plays one in the courtroom.

Mr. Arxos: You are laying out some very broad comments without noting any specifics in your condemnation of American policies.

Let me remind you who tried to starve the German people to death after the defeat of the Nazis after WWII. Without the Berlin airlift (the greatest humanitarian effort in world history) conducted by America, thousands upon thousands of Germans would have died at the hands of the soviet union.

Let us not forget when Nikita Kruschev took off his shoe in the United Nations and pounded it on the table and said " we will bury you "! meaning the United States.

Let us not forget the Soviet Union shipping nuclear missiles to Cuba in ships . with the intention of checkmating America.

Let us not forget the invasion of South Korea by Cummunist North Korea with support from the Soviet union.

Let us not forget the invasion of Hungary, and Afghanistan by the Soviet Union without provocation.

And let us not forget the wall erected to keep people in ,instead of out.

Mr. Arxo: you say; don`t get me wrong, well my friend I do indeed get you wrong if you are one to believe that America has acted with a collectivly corrupt mind set.

From Mr. Arxos:

Everybody on this site seems to be forgeting that since the end of WWII the US has embarked on numerous 'expeditions' bent on crushing first 'communism' and now 'terrorism'. Obviously these are just pretexts for the consolidation and maintanence of US political-economical clout.

"Pretexts for maintenance of our political clout". As if to say everything that America does is based on a lie? How you can compare communism to to terrorism escapes me altogether.

And so all the presidents and their cabinets,the U.S. congressman and senators have all conspired over the past 60 years to perpetuate a big lie on the rest of America. I would strongly suggest you go back and read your history book my friend.

Does anyone know an email address, home address, or phone number of Judge Charles P. Sifton?

I sure feel like having a chat with him.

Maryland governor Robert Ehrlich calls multiculturalism "crap," "bunk," and "damaging to society."

http://www.secularislam.org/discussion33/_disc33/000000fb.htm

Bob, the 'provocation' and 'reason' has been the fight against communism, drugs and now terrorism. What do you think, were all of these valid threats to US security? Was McCarthyism justified, the Contra movement of Nicaragua, Vietnam&indochina, embargos and sanctions left and right etc? The bombing of Serbia and the current war of Iraq namely were/are illegitimate operations in the eyes of international institutions and opinion and therefore the US can be considered the agressor. I am not saying that it was unprovoked, merely that it was/is all a great game for power, as for merit it's debatable (many say that principle is reserved for us simple-folk down the ladder). To emphasise my point I might add that in the absence of the soviet bloc NATO is not an alliance anymore (I think it never was) but a hegemony, which goes for the international community as a whole, something repeated in history ad infinitum. Remember to be the greatest superpower means firm control on the homefront, those two are inseperable. To control the world politically and economically first you have to dominate the American people, to wield them in unison, under the umbrella of ideology.

The bombing of Serbia ... Arxos: You ARE kidding, right? Clinton bombed in Serbia to Protect the muslims and you have a problem with this? So we aren't even right when we (some of we) are On your side?

Or if you refer to WW I - I seem to recall America was pretty much Isolationist during the first few decades of this century. If we were so hot to get into war, why did it take us Two Years to do so in that one?

Arxos,

Battling communism in the past and terrorism in the present are acts of self-preservation by America and her allies. Just as all civilized nations agree that there exists a right for an individual to protect himself against lethal force to himself or others, so to do nations have a right to self-defense. In most iterations of self-defense law, the key to the law applies to imminent and apparent threat. Lethal force can be applied if the person has a reasonable fear of grave injury or death.

While you may wish to consider it a “great game,” we like to call it survival in a hostile world. And I hope I misunderstand you when I read your statement “to be the greatest superpower means firm control on the home front.”

Obviously sir, you know nothing of the real America. Our greatest strength is our tolerance of ideas, and dissent. Our greatest strength is our ability to exchange conflicting ideas without exchanging blows. Something that I believe we are doing right now.

It is a concept called "the marketplace of ideas" and the real reason the United States is a superpower.

bob-

your comments are a welcome addition
to the dialogue on Mr Spencer's site.

As long as there are more judges such as Sifton in the US,the terrorists are free to move about and plot our anihylation without much trouble.
As long as demagogues and hypocrites are still in positions to make such decisions as this,our country will never be able to be safe from terrorist attacks.
As long as we still allow muslims to immigrate to the US,our country will remain vulnerable to more terrorist attacks.
How many more 9/11`s do we have do endure,in order to wake up and rid this country of the muslim cancer?!

I can't beleive that everyone actually talks like this. Do you really beleive that all muslims are out for the violent overthrow of the US? Are we all immigrants?

Honestly in all my years i have never been to a khutbah in any country that advocated violence. The ones that do are not the majority by far. In fact they have always advocated involvement, outreach, education, voting, becoming a vital part of the country.

If this desire to better oneself in order to better the country that you live in is extremist or jihadist then maybe you are right. But as a devout muslim i have had the blessing of helping more than 2 dozen women come to islam in the west and they have been nothing but a blessing to the communities they live in. I am proud to say some of them have surpassed me in knowledge and peity. They work tirelessly to see the elevation of the people they live amongst. God willing, this trend will grow!!

I can't beleive that everyone actually talks like this. Do you really beleive that all muslims are out for the violent overthrow of the US? Are we all immigrants?

Honestly in all my years i have never been to a khutbah in any country that advocated violence. The ones that do are not the majority by far. In fact they have always advocated involvement, outreach, education, voting, becoming a vital part of the country.

If this desire to better oneself in order to better the country that you live in is extremist or jihadist then maybe you are right. But as a devout muslim i have had the blessing of helping more than 2 dozen women come to islam in the west and they have been nothing but a blessing to the communities they live in. I am proud to say some of them have surpassed me in knowledge and peity. They work tirelessly to see the elevation of the people they live amongst. God willing, this trend will grow!!

Ahlam : Nice try, but proselytizing doesn't work here. We all know where "muslim piety" ends : in blown-up busses, restaurants and night-clubs.

are you serious? more than a billion muslims on earth and we are all blowing up busses and restaurants? by sheer numbers the world would be completely destroyed.....the beleif that any group of ppl is evil has never lead to anything but cyclical destruction....you can continue to hate me and i will continue to make your world better....salam!!

Ahlam : When you say "your world" (meaning my world, that is), you clearly show your muslim arrogance once again. Is "your" world another than mine? Have you ever spoken up loudly and clearly in front of your fellow believers against antisemitism, slavery, terrorism, homophobia, mysogyny, honor killings and public executions? THAT would make "my" (if not "your") world better.
Harb
Johannes