Grrrr... left a bit out.
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We do NOT justify what those living in the US over 100 years ago did

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There.

No Gary... you don't justify what those living in the US over 100 years ago did... You are justifying what these living in present time in 21st century do. That's why no one believe in americans' hallow march for democracy and freedom.
You can not convience me that in about 100 years, when you stole all our resources and assimilated our Holy culture, another infidel Gary will not come up with the same selfish stamement as you. This is the paradox of western civilization Gary.

But becuase we are armed by the Holy words of Almighty Allah (swt) and he predicted the ignorance of infidels, the only way out of this is to embrace Islam and ask Allah (swt) to forgive you and he will forgive you.

The thing that most gets me about Abu Hamza is that he looks like a Monty Python character.

I wasn't going to respond to M, because he proved my point. Notice he doesn't even try to deny the butcheries going on around the world today.

But upon reading it again....

'and assimilated our Holy culture'

Say what? You sure don't sound Christian. I haven't noticed that Islam has disappeared from the face of the Earth (tho I could Hope!).

I'm still not awake guys. I leave it to the rest of you to take your (more eloquent) whacks at the seriously confused M.

I wasn't going to respond to M, because he proved my point. Notice he doesn't even try to deny the butcheries going on around the world today.

But upon reading it again....

'and assimilated our Holy culture'

Say what? You sure don't sound Christian. I haven't noticed that Islam has disappeared from the face of the Earth (tho I could Hope!).

I'm still not awake guys. I leave it to the rest of you to take your (more eloquent) whacks at the seriously confused M.

Mahmoud---

Who will justify the atrocities that Muslims have done throughout the centuries and still perform as we speak "in the name of God," the greatest sin of all?? Your temendous hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Gary look again at phrase:

You can not convience me that in about 100 years,......

I did say I wasn't awake. But hey, if Islam is gone in 100 years, it won't be soon enough.

And now Life intrudes and I must go. Yes, LIFE! The thing that islam(ofascists) don't believe in.

Back later!

epq:
when you all are still unable to deal with the effects of your bloody history and the place you live is occupied and your are illegal settlers, yet you whore out on earth crying for freedom and democracy, making your coutry looks like a dance monkey. so first deal with your own shame before accusing Holy Islam of anything.

when you all are still unable to deal with the effects of your bloody history and the place you live is occupied and your are illegal settlers, yet you whore out on earth crying for freedom and democracy, making your coutry looks like a dance monkey.

Er...sorry? Run that past me again?

Look in the mirror, Mahmoud, Islam has been doing the very things you accuse us of doing far longer than the United States has been in existence. Your hypocrisy is growing like Pinocchio's nose, along with your taquiyya. Liar, liar, pants on fire!

Mahmoud,
Stop talking about America and talk about the killing your people did to us in Africa.
Stop being an hypocrite!!
YOu guys are the real killers, prove me wrong if it is not true and I will give you an example of about 5,000 people Islam killed in the last 2 years! and the more they still plan to kill!

Note that Abu Hamza's initial hearing before magistrates will take place today in Belmarsh jail. Bow Street magistrates usually sit in a court in central London. Presumably someone thinks the extra security would be sensible.

I suppose it'll be a race - whether the US gets him or the Yemeni government, who would also like a chat with him, about bombs planted there by Abu Hamza's son and other brainwashed kids.

I am attacking you from the same corner you are acusing Holy Islam. So please go and clear up american history from the shameful blood you sucked from native indian so vampiric that brought you to the situation you are now. europeans who literally stole the indian lands. Isn't it shameful for you? Thnx Almighty Allah (swt) who showed us american evil face in our Holy Koran. Thnx Allah. I am so proud I am not a part of the vampire civilization you so ignorantly try to impose on us. Allah showed us the right way and I am so sorry for you that have to bear the genocides your ancestors comitted. The only way out of this maze is to embrace Islam and ask Allah to forgive you. Stop accusing others for the crimes you so balantly commited through your shamefull history.

mahmoud
you don't like the west then go to your arab land Sh-tholes! we will get out when you take all mulsums out of the holy Christian and Jewish lands!!! we don't need your oil we will use our grains for our cars!! Can you eat OIL? If you hate the west why do you stay here?
Why are you Mulsums sending other Mulsums to kill Iraqis? Why were you silient while Saddam killed 300,000 mulsum? Buddy you be drawing Flys and Guess what the USA has a lot of Fly swaters this aint no third world and the Press and Hollywood does not speek for Americans !!!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Mahmoud,

I hate to repeat myself, but I notice you always seem to go back generations to find most American atrocities.

To find the latest Islamic atrocity, I turn on the television. Do you really want me to get started?

I don’t think you do…

Mahmoud,

My only question to you is this: are you a Wahhabi Muslim?

Mohumod
Must be hanging with a bunch of libs I know one American who is not proud of America> and that includs WW2 when yes we dropped the bombs and will do so again if the mulsums make us and we will forgive ourselfs like our grandprants did. mohumond you are hanging with a bunch of loser libs that is not the real America. the Real America is who is kicking your ass all over Iraq. and The Iraqi People want you out of their country too!
This country is not frace! We fought the Indians and made peace with them years ago!!! and as a matter of Fact there was an American Indian who Gave her life to help Free the Iraqi people. She was Brave like Her GrandParents who helped winn WW2 and you are a fool Hollywood is not REAL.

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the the USA and all who Fight With her Give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Coming to America one armed terrorist wow look at the tec. they use we just gave 5 Iraqi men hands that look real oh yea saddam cut their hands off. cause that is the way of your peace??? Take that back to the sh-thole from were you came or we will help!!

another thing you might want to keep in mind we The Real American people want you dead not in jail we don't want to spend our money to feed you!!!

Mahmoud a.k.a. Pinocchio-

Islam started with a "few" followers in the Arabian Peninsula and then spread in all directions. Did they "ask" the inhabitants whether or not they wanted to become Muslim? No, they offered them a choice: convert or die. Thus, Islam has stolen the lands of millions of people throughout more than 1400 years and enslaved, killed. or drove into exile, all of their inhabitants.

But let's not just talk about the past. As we speak, Muslims are slaughtering Christians and Buddhists in Thailand, Christians in Malaysia, in the Sudan, in various other African counyries, and, in Nigeria, have forced Sharia on the inhabitants. There are other examples right at this time, too numerous to point out. You have no grounds for argument. You taquityya has been exposed.

Odd. I'm part Cherokee, and don't seem to be missing any blood. No reports of vampirism from my family, either.

I'm sure we all hold the legal title to our homes, too.

May 27, 2004
Dominion Republic Pulls troops out of Iraq then a Flood hits their country and whips out over 1000 people? Wow?
Next the Libs attack the Cops ,Military, Fire department, Maybe they might want to call Teddy Kenndey and all the other libs they support cause the others may have the Phone service Maybe out. How Many of the Press do you think carry?
The Press has already forgotten Jihaid Johnny?
Enter a thought they are saying that there are maybe 18,000 terrorist well my count says they will lose just look at how many show up for nase car one week-end 200,000 now my math puts America on top the press and libs might be in trouble cause they hate red-necks and hate guns and there might not be enough cops to protect them? Huh do you Realize how big this country is 18,000 aint nothing in the real world .

Part of the American Tribe
God bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

PS mohunod we are waiting for you to Tell us where were you when saddam was killing all the Iraqi people and why are you sending mulsums to kill other mulsums in Iraq??
Your silence is deafen?

I think it is high time everybody stops waisting time answering this ignorant called mahmoud. He does not even have Identity!
If he is very bold I will put him to an open challenge and ask him questions about what islam is currently doing not to talk about what they've done in the past!
Give a geniue email add. and let's talk!

Good news!!

LONDON — Radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri (search) has been charged by the United States in an 11-count indictment in Manhattan federal court, Fox News has confirmed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121044,00.html

But becuase we are armed by the Holy words of Almighty Allah (swt) and he predicted the ignorance of infidels, the only way out of this is to embrace Islam and ask Allah (swt) to forgive you and he will forgive you.

Posted by Mahmoud at May 27, 2004 07:53 AM

Twinkie, you should remember who the Middle East relies on for food, since the sand won't let anyone cultivate much of anything. Don't think that we're at the mercy of Arabia, and Arabia needs nothing from anyone.

And, your native American arguement is wearing thin. If that's the best you can do, like Islam, you will lose. Lastly, Twinkie, there's nothing holy about a cult that preaches hate and death.

Wise up.

Dase:

I just want to say how much I admire your courage and how valuable I consider your posts to this board to be. Please continue!

Radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri arrested!!

WHOOOHOOOO!!!!!

(I'm Singing here) Dut dut dut and another Troll Bites the DUST!!!

Great job on Your Fox Interview Mr. Spencer!!

Everyone:

I would humbly and respectfully suggest that we cease trying to talk sense to Mahmoud and Reza. They both repeat endlessly the same old nonsense and IT IS GETTING SO OLD. They are incapable of logical, reasoned and rational responses and just keep parroting mindlessly over and over again what their blood cult has taught them to say. Like errant children trying to get attention with negative behavior, I suggest we give them a "time out". Any response, no matter how logical, just generates a slightly altered regurgitation of their last post.

Their lack of critical thinking skills and reasoning ability IS annoying, but I don't think that we can teach them how to think at this point in their lives - they're hopeless. Can't we just stop swatting at these pesky flies buzzing around our heads and move on?

Sirs,

Remember that Taquiyya allows every Muslim to deceit non-Muslims with Islamic impunity.

On the contrary, Judeo-Christian ethics is devoted to the improvement of human civilization.

A Westerner knows he is not a perfect being, and anyway he tries his best to contribute to the progress of mankind through the use of freedom, and through the pursuit of truth, beauty and happiness.

CGW, Many thanks for the positive comments. Mahmoud and Reza are like birds of a feather that hide under the name of internet and fake identity to write what I personally consider rubbish!
Ask them who they are and they will keep quite, I've had encounter with such cowards before, they dont have message, they dont have any positive contribution to the development of the world, all what they do is to write insinuating messages onboard and keep infuriating intellectuals! I guess mahmoud is like someone Reza just invited after he(Reza) found out that he has been wrong and will continue to be wrong. The only advise I have for reasonable people on this web site is educate them, they are all uneducated literates who needs to go back to college or university for proper training, however in most cases time is no longer ontheir sides.
I know them very well, they go to a website, or story, copy a part of the story, memorize it without reasoning or even reading the whole story, they then conclude the whole argument by the little they've read about the story, ask them the rest, and they will be looking down. My personal advise is that we should try in our own little way to educate them, they are really deficient of knowledge! and they need to know the light!

Where muslims go,
blood will flow,
deserts grow larger
and the mind shrivels
as no nourishing rain falls
to make the intellect bloom.
There is no room in your cult
for the Free. We pity you
and pray for your women
who are slaves to your men.
Know that is a sin
for which you pay.
One day they will turn
into banshees and rip
the hearts from your chests
That is the best they can offer
from your coffer of dust, filth and evil.
You are a robot, a mo-bot whose mind
has shrunken to the size
of your shriveled spear.
Fear and awe are not holy commandments.
So says the poetess of the Free.

Well said poetess

Whether its Mahmoud or Mahound, it's all the same old, same old crap. May they be even less successful than they were in the dark ages. Stuff them

DOES EVERYONE AGREE ON ONE THING. THAT THE KILLING MUST STOP. THIS IS INSANITY AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY.

ALLAH, CHRIST, YAWEH, LITTLE GREEN MEN FROM MARS, WHOEVER YOU BELIEVE IN...DOES SHARE ONE THING IN COMMON

RESPECT, PEACE, AND LOVE FOR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

The trick is how do we get there. The first place to start is dropping the "religious" thing. Millions have died in the name of religion. Man, who is an imperfect animal, cannot interpret divinity. Yet the Bible, Koran, TV Guide, all were written by man. Let's cut the "in the name of my religion" nonsense and start thinking of each one of us as brothers and sisters. Let's begin to live the life of compassion, consideration, and love for our brothers and sisters and start to figure out a way out of this mess. M, it is true that a very fanatical sect in your religion wants the infidels dead. That is not right. But outlawing your religion is not right either. What do you propose we do? Allow
you to kill at will. No.
If you look at history, religions have done nothing but separate us. For us to live as one, we must let go of the religion that for centuries have motivated greater men than us to form legions and massacre. If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.
The question isn't which religion is the best, or which is right. If you look at it in a broad sense, they all pretty much say the same thing. Each has it's laws. Eat fish on Friday, don't eat pork...so many rules.

The bottom line is to treat each other with love and respect.

Unfortunately, religion is man's interpretation of a supreme beings word. Since man is so fallible..the interpretations will be fallible as well. The only thing that religions really do is divide us. War's have been fought in the name of a religion. Many have been killed in the name of a religion. That alone is a sin.

God, Allah, Yaweh, whoever, or whatever you want to call it...didn't want us to be divided in his name. There will be no peace until all understand this, and finally get it.

Let's not quibble over a religion. Embrace in the fact that whatever troubles you are going through, I am also going through, we all are going through. Safety for our children, Happiness for our spouses, these are the things that mean the most. Let us help each other so that we may arrive together to what is rightfully ours. A peaceful existence for family and friends in a world free of hate and persecution.

If you study each religion, you will get pretty much the same message from each. Let's look for the similarites in each instead of seeking out what differentiates all of them. When we do that is when we will all live in peace.

Eric,
We can do that if the other guys at the other end(Muslims) are ready to be very reasonable.
I guess you are referring to people who are ready to listen and not who are just bent on doing what does not make sense, like ignorant mahmoud and his ignorant counterpart (Reza). Also, I guess that you are refering to a situation in which every human beings tend to be human and not situation in which some are bent on saying we will not be humans(i.e., being animals).

Hang this bastard!!

Eric, Ahhhh, what a blissful view. If we could only all put our faith in human nature.

Eric, if you study it, it's not actual religion that kills people, or encourages them to kill. It's the heresies, and the heresiarchs. Whether it's Arian, Mahommed, Calvin, Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Hitler, or whoever. As long as there's some idiot says he knows better, and we'd all better follow him and his proud, pure and separate vision, then we have deluded people who want to kill others in the name of their 'religion'.

It's pride that's the main problem. Human nature.

But at the end of the day, we have to defend ourselves against these aggressive, prideful followers of whoever-it-is-who-thinks-he-knows-better than everyone else. If we don't then we'll be dead, and the world will not likely be the better for it.

The charges against Abu Hamza are as serious as they could be:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3754651.stm

Hostage taking, murder, running a terrorist training camp in Oregon... Looks like he'll be relying on the UK's infidel human-made laws again, this time to save him from martyrdom by lethal injection.

I have tried to put this off for a few days, to avoid a long post, but alas I have to weigh in now. I still to this day am stunned at the hypocrisy of Islam and Muslims as a whole. It is hysterical how you Mahmoud and so many like you are so quick to take one piece of American history and turn it into rally point for all of our evil and to draw attention away from Muslim atrocities. I say in our defense. We are a very young country in comparison to the rest of the world. What excuse can you use Mahmoud when the countries of Islam who are thousands of years old and still to do this day maintain the same barbaric principles.

There are few in America who will not agree that what happened to Native Americans was real tragedy. It is true we robbed ourselves of a rich and vibrant culture, but your claims that we completely eliminated Native Americans from this country is false. I am sitting next to an American Indian woman as I type this. She is alive and well and she is a wonderful woman and I respect and love her dearly. Your misguided attempt to prove the barbaric nature of America fails to point out, and in earnest does the American Indians a great injustice by making them out to be a weak people who American settlers completely dominated, when in fact they were courageous, bold and ingenious fighters. You also fail to acknowledge the fact that the Indian vs. expansionism wars went on for well over 200 years, with many deaths on both sides. Nobody in the United States has ever denied the facts about our history. In fact it is something we here in the United States consider part of our culture. We embrace both the good and bad deeds of our country and we learn from our mistakes. We continue to march forward always striving to improve ourselves.

You can not use American history against us because we do not hide it. America as a whole is its own worse critic. As hard as you want to be on us we are twice as hard on ourselves. We are constantly policing ourselves domestically and internationally. We acknowledge our mistake and accept and learn from them. We do not brush them aside and pretend they never happened, Unlike your culture we do we point fingers at others and say what you did is much worse so what we did is ok. Nor do we say because you did this we are obligated to do worse to you based on our religious beliefs. Whether it be American Indians or African Americans both of these issues have been addressed by us and corrected by us.

History lesson to follow shortly Mr. Mahmoud, I hope you are paying attention.

gwe:

You are right that it is pride, to some degree. It is also a willingness in the masses to be motivated to follow through on the wishes of that one individual. Since most of us want to be taught (again human nature) we aimlessly follow those who we feel know more than us. What we must do is become more informed with what is going on. Listen, I am not saying not to defend ourselves. In fact, I do not think that we are doing enough to hunting down the animals that want to kill us. However, I am not ready to condemn a whole people (Muslims) just for the sake of it. I don't feel calling Reza or Mahommed ignorant or dismissing them entirely will do that. They have a reason that they feel this way. We must work to get them to agree that killing is not the answer. Show them that maybe the images being drummed into their heads from recruiters that all Americans are infidels may not be true. Calling them idiots will not do that. However, coming to this country and slaughtering 3000 innocent husband, wives, and children is not to be tolerated. The people who think that this is the answer is wrong and will be dealt with.

Dase,
You seem fustrated and I can see why. I don't blame you. I think that if we can compromise somewhat we may be able to win over some of the minds if not the heart. In Iran, it seems that the people who are probably like you and me in some way, are disenchanted with the religious bullshit that they've been subjugated with since 1979. Is it possible that they may make their own regime change within the next 10 years. I think that it is possible. And I am sure that working with some of them rather than working against all of them will speed up that process. You are right though, the other guys at the other end have to be somewhat reasonable. Maybe we can show them how.

Eric - I am sorry to say that Muslims feel the way that they do because their religion requires it of them. Have you read the Koran or Hadiths? Your eyes will be opened. Clerics treach hate during services and to school children. To not hate "infidels," that's us, is un-Muslim. No Muslim would be caught dead with the reputation of being un-Muslim, in fact, they might well be killed as traitors or apostates.

You may feel that they have been "subjected to bullshit since 1979." However, in reality they have been thwarted. They are holding themselves back and they want to blame us for their lack of amibition and personal failures. When one spends 24 hours a day thinking about Islam rather than being creative, it is impossible to make a success. Thus, they resent those of us that have done so and wish to acquire what have for free simply because they "deserve it for being Muslim."

epg

I have read some of the Koran and was indeed taken aback by how it could be interpreted. I also am aware of the hate filled sermons that are being preached everyday. This is why I am convinced that religions are divisive and a way for the leaders to motivate the uninformed masses. America can be many things. Some people who live here can be possibly classified as infidels. The fact is though that we are not all infidels. The clerics may say otherwise, however if a young Iranian got to know you, I am sure that he would change his opinion, especially if he got to know you better. Then when the sermon of hate came, he could say to himself, epg is not an infidel but a informed, and educated person that I enjoy chatting with. That young Iranian will think twice when being recruited by some Hammas, or Al-Qaeda recruiter. Does it sound Pollyannish? Maybe, but with the internet, so much is possible. For us to post to people from all over the world, I believe that we can show the open minded in the Middle Eastern that maybe, just maybe we are not the infidels that they have been warned about. Not everyone in the Middle East is a radical. The moderates are on the fence and will ultimately be the ones that either dispose of the radicals themselves, or buy into their agenda of hate. Let's not give them the reason to choose to hate.

Eric Stone:

Pollyanna in spades.

Have you read Robert Spencer's books? Have you read Ibn Warraq? I don't think you realize the full extent of the Islamic threat. People all over the world are NOT the same; they are shaped differently by their ideologies and their cultures. It's not a limited or isolated group that we're fighting - IT'S AN IDEOLOGY THAT DEMANDS THAT WE SUBMIT OR DIE. This concept is inherent in the basic tenets of Islam, not just in the minds of a few radicals. I know "moderate" Muslims who fully believe that the worldwide Islamic Caliphate will come to pass, it is pre-ordained and inevitable, and that by being "moderate" they are just biding their time until they are called upon personally to take part in our subjugation. The concept and the problem is endemic to Islam AS A WHOLE, and this concept is what separates it from other religions. There can be no compromise. As indicated on another thread, Islam is incompatible with democracy.

Interesting idea on http://www.imao.us

"Some Religions Need to Take Better Care of Their Clerics

"Most seem to be blind (and you know what your parents told you will make you blind), though this one here is missing an eye and a hand. So, is it that the handicapped tend to become clerics in the Middle East as spewing hatred is the only job available to them, or do they get handicapped after becoming a cleric as God keeps hitting them with lightning bolts? And why don't they do the suicide bombings? They're missing all those limbs so they're already halfway to being completely blown apart.

"Next time we capture a blind cleric, it would be funny to see how long we could keep him from finding out he's been captured. Put him in a cell, but tell him he's actually in front of his followers, and see if he'll give a whole Jew-hate'n speech to the concrete wall. Tape it, and you could have an America's Funniest Home Video right there."

Thank you, Frank J

Sheesh.. nobody wants to fight with me today??? What is our little inter-net battle coming to?

Hare, I feel the same way...

If they won't fight here, can we go over there with a keg of bacon grease and a sprayer?

That might be fun...

It does get tiring listening to Mamoud ramble on and on about the same justifications for his false religion. I agree with a lot of the posts when people talk about the downfall of racial and religious profiling. I will admit, when I see Arab and Muslim people I dont know out and about, it makes me nervous and makes my blood rise and I get the feeling like I want to kick there asses back to the middle east. Why should we let these American hating, problem causing murders live in our country so they can live in the modern world. They get to have air conditioning and have a decent meal and enjoy the modern life. On the other hand if they were back in there sorry underdeveloped land they might appreciate the USA more and come out of there brainwashing. Having to smell camel shit and eat bugs and live in 120 degree everyday with no air conditioning might knock some sense into them. Islam is a false religion and teaches violence and murder. I personally think that they should all leave and keep there false, dark, evil religion out of America. God Bless my rights as an American Citizen and the news and the Dems need to keep there mouths shut and get a clue. America will never give in to Islam or any other cowardly evil religion.

Islam can be perceived as being incompatable with alot of things. That is why my original post mentioned that religions divide us like nothing else. I have read about Islam and am well aware of the basis of the religion. I have not the pleasure of reading any of Mr. Spencer's books yet. I have one for you. John Clark Mead "The New World War" In it he tells of the strategy that is being played out now. One that could be winnable for the millitants if the West falls into the trap. The trap that is being played out in Iraq, as well as here and on the hundreds of blogs on the internet. The strategy starts with sheer numbers. The world of Islam has a population of some 1.4 billion people scattered across the world. Only 15% of them are Arab. An estimated 7 million are in the United States. The militants know that alone they cannot win a war against the West. If they could entice the West into a Holy War against Islam itself the millitants might be able to persuade the vast majority of Quaranic and cultural Muslims to join their ranks. If this happens and it becomes an Islamic thing, then the West will find itself in an incredibly difficult position. That is why any counterattack by the west must be viewed as an attack against terrorism, not an attack against Islam. Yes, there are many differences in the Christian religion and Islam. And I am aware of the messages of the Quaran. The Quaran is intended to lead mankind on the path from darkness to light. The most important teaching is the oneness with God (tawhid). All manner of sin may be forgiven, except for the sin of ascribing an equal with Allah (shirk). This is the unpardonable sin of Islam and is the sin associated with Christianity. Because Christians elevated Christ to the status of God, they are guilty of polytheism and will be damned by God. Talk about religions dividing us. That is why attacking all Islam is not the way to go. You cannot make this into a holy war. I believe that we must defend ourselves. I also believe that going into Iraq and Afghanastan were the way to go. We must do so in a way that as not to upset the majority of Muslims who remain peaceful. If we can strategically isolate the millitants from the rest of the population without
having it perceived as an attack on Islam we will be successful.

Eric. Sorry to say you know as little about Christianity as you do Islam.

You are one sorry peep. Mohammed got his ideas about the one god from Christianity - because that's what Christians believe too, funnily enough.

Wasn't Mohammed married to a Christian ? Somebody let me know - think it was the wife whose money let that let him sit around all day and have his visions.

Take a look at this guy... missing a hand, missing an eye... didn't his dad ever tell him not to play with firecrackers?

canuck

ps. which hand is he missing, the eating hand or the wiping hand? I never can remember which is which... hehehe

He is missing his Right hand.. the one he really needed. Arabs don't use their left hand its the "unclean" one

hahaha.. Bob.. that was funny I needed that. DC and his may all the Muslim kids grow up to rappers had me in tears.

But Iqbal Sacranie, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said it was still important that the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" be observed.

Funny...I don't remember reading about any such principle in Sharia law.

Surely he isn't suggesting that Hamza be judged in accordance with mere "man-made" British law, is he?

The right hand is the eating one? Now this must cause some embarrassment for him eh? I guess his problem is that all his best parts got martyred.

such is life.....

Eric,

I hate to tell you, but a lot of Mead’s assumptions were based on incomplete, biased, and incompetent “research.”

First off, your cited statistics are all wrong. There are no more than 1.2 billion Muslims, so you are off by a few hundred million to start with. In addition, there are nowhere near seven million Muslims in the United States. The most accurate research places that number at less than third of that, at 1.6 to 2.8 million.

Beyond that, he is overemphasizing the military capabilities of Islamic countries. We started with numbers, so let’s stay there.

Say for instance that Mead’s hypothesis is correct, and that we end up engaging Islam in a full-on global Jihad. As America is much smaller than all the Muslims in the world put together, we logically take on the defenders role, holding up in Fortress America, and wait for the assault, right? Just for the sake of my argument, I will assume Islam is smart enough only to pick a fight with the United States.

First off, the number of Muslims you would be fighting would be more in line with 500 million, not 1.2 billion.

Islam subjugates women and will not let them fight in any significant form, and there are more women than men.

Of the remaining 500 million Islamic males, you must figure that about 20% are too old, too young, or too infirm to fight. As most Islamic countries are third world with inadequate healthcare, the actual number is probably much lower, around 400 million, so we’ll stick with it. So we have about 400 million healthy Muslims warriors ready for combat against the Great Satan.

Did I say 400 million warriors? I meant 400 million healthy Muslims. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of military logistics knows it takes a ton of support to keep your frontline troops supplied and battle-ready.

In the average war, it takes at least five guys to supply one frontline soldier, and I might be generous there. So that brings us down to about 80 million actual combat troops, and that is if every Muslim male on this planet wants to fight.

Suddenly, this Mighty Army of Allah is a lot smaller than we first thought, but still formidable at 80 million.

Did I say 80 million? It is hard to hide 400 million soldiers. I believe the US Air Force has a term for 80 million enemy soldiers.

“Target practice.”

By the time the Air force exhausted it stores of conventional bombs and bullets, there would be a conservative estimate of a force reduction of 25%. Of those remaining 60 million, at least 30 million would be so psychologically traumatized as to be useless, courtesy of the largest “Shock and Awe” campaign we’ve ever seen.

So we’re down to 30 million dazed, shell-shocked Jihadists with crumbling logistical support (you think we wasted all our bombs on just the front line guys?) and a real big problem. Two real big problems, actually.

The Atlantic is one, and the Pacific is the other.

They can’t get here to fight us. The have no navy. They have no air forces. We have plenty of both.

Am I making my point? Mead is another twit like all those back before Y2K, is feeding you fear for his personal profit.

I wouldn’t worry about the US losing a war. Just the politicians costing us the peace.

Mahmoud is just trying to divert attention away from the topic. Like the wizard in OZ, he doesn't want anyone looking behind the curtain. Or more accurately, he is a cockroach who can't stand the light of truth. Notice how he's always harping on the flaws of the US, never quoting the Koran, seems stuck on the Indian wars thing (they lost, get over it, and I'm part Iowa, so don't give me any crap about being racist). Let's not talk about how Mohammed killed anyone who didn't convert to his cult and pay him tribute like the Muslims are still doing to this day. Let's not talk about how Muslims are killing Christians in Sudan, Indonesia, the Phillipines, and all over the world for no reason other than they aren't Muslims. Oh no, let's make the big bad Americans feel guilty. Well, I got news for you murdering bastards: you can kiss my red white and blue ass! And you can thank the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (not Ishamel and Mohammed)that we aren't like you or we would have nuked Mecca and Medina years ago and forced you to convert to Christianity or Judaism, or some other peaceful religion that doesn't command its' followers to kill everyone who won't convert.

Bob Owens:

In the average war, it takes at least five guys to supply one frontline soldier, and I might be generous there.

The ratio for the US Army today is actually closer to nine to one, believe it or not.

Hal wrote "...and forced you to convert to Christianity or Judaism, or some other peaceful religion that doesn't command its' followers to kill everyone who won't convert."

I would suggest Buddhism. I heard the Dali Lama speak in Vancouver not long ago and I was quite impressed. Especially when he spoke about leaving Canada as a Christian country because that was our heritage and he saw no reason to change it. Unlike mahmoud and his fascist ilk.

I watched that video of Nick Berg, what a bunch of horrific little thugs. We don't need these people on this planet.

canuck

So a man with one eye,hooked arm,bad teeth,and partial beard now preaches us Godless
enemies of Islam with suffer the curses of Allah.
If this loser is the epitome of Allah's blessings then I'll stick to my faith that tells
me to treat all people as my Brother's and Sister's.
Most of the Imam's I've seen aren't exactly
poster-persons for Islam,the anger and hate spewing from their heart is not for the true God but the Father of lies and deceit SATAN.

Does anyone remember how Muslims said the 911 hijackers weren't true Muslims and have nothing to do with Islam.
Well shortly after the remains of the hijackers were found,Muslims were enraged that the Government wasn't respecting Islamic Law for dealing with burying the dead.

KNOW ISLAM - NO PEACE

Speaking of horrific little thugs, here is what the British did to a cult (much like islam) in India that offended them one too many times.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/features/thugs/

mahmoud--take tour "religious" diatribe and shove it where the sun don't shine! You should be arrested by Tom Ridge and Co.

Lobo91,

9to 1? Yeah, I'd beleive that.

Canuck,

Thanks for bringing up the Thuggee. Might be a primer for handling our problem if reason doesn't work...

I know I have mentioned on here about muslims love of conspiracies theories. Here is a site that is a good example of their irrational beliefs.

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/free-masons/index.htm

canuck

I AM REALLY HAPPY LIVING IN A JUDAO -CHRISTIAN SOCIETY . I DO NOT WANT TO BE CONVERTED, AND IF I NEED FORGIVNESS I WILL ASK JESUS NOT, NOT ALLAH.IF THESE MUSLEMS HATE THE WEST, WHY ARE THEY HERE? SPREADING OR TRYING TO SPREAD THEIR VULE CULT,{NOTICE I DIDNT SAY RELIGION}MY GREATEST WISH IS THAT ALL MUSLEMS WERE DEPORTED BACK TO THE MIDDLE EAST WHERE THEY CAN LIVE PRE STONE-AGE.I WISH THERE WAS SOMEWHERE IN THIS WORLD I COULD LIVE NEVER HAVING HAVING TO SEE A COVERED WOMAN OR EVER HERE THE WORDS...MUSLEM, AHMED, MOHAMMED, SHERIA LAW.ISLAM... AND ALL THE CRAP AND CORRUPTION ASSOCIATED WITH ISLAM.MY COUNTRY OF BIRTH MY BEAUTIFUL IRELAND IS FULL OF THEM, SETTING UP SHOP.CANADA IS WHERE I LIVE AND I AM ASHAMED OF THIS COUNTRY THE GOV. NOT THE RANK AND FILE ALLOWED ISLAM TAKE A FOOT HOLD HERE. IT WILL BACKFIRE COME THIS ELECTION, THE CONSERTIVE PARTY IS NO PAL OF ISLAM, AND WHAT I AM HEARING THE LIBERAL PARTY IS ON ITS LAST LEGS THANK GOD, NOW SLOWLEY MAYBE WE CAN GET BACK TO WHERE CANADA USED TO BE. TO USE AN OLD IRISH EXPRESSION"THEY DIRTY THEIR BIB EVERYWHERE THEY GO" MAYBE THE TIDE IS CHANGING.... PLEASE GOD.
GOD BLESS ISREAL,AND ALL WHO LIVE THERE, AND MAY GOD BLESS THE U.S.A. PRES. BUSH,KEEP ALL AMERICANS SAFE AND KEEP HER STRONG. GOD BLESS THE TROOPS FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM.

turn off the all caps treatment, yvette.

islam is trash. A worthless cult of death. I have an Idea!!! Let's wipe out mecca, medina and the rest and build a Giant Wal-mart. The rest will be a huge parking lot. We got rid of the trash and we can get on with life. Sounds great to me.

sorry,bob owens

There is something I have been wondering about, if you lose your right hand like this guy did, do you have to get someone else to feed you? And if this is the case, if you lose your left hand... what then?

just curious...

it is a strange little cult that has to tell you how to wipe your own butt, and stranger people that need that sort of direction from God.

Hey, I just found out this poor bugger has lost both hands!! Now what the hell does he do????

He sticks his head in a troth and eats like the pig he is of course.

John, the UK has an agreement with the USA that anyone who gets extradited can't receive the death penalty. Hamza will get life, which is much better in my opinion - why do him a favour by turning him into a 'martyr'?

The best thing to do with this guy is hold him for a few months, then release him with loud thanks for his assistance. He will turn up in a ditch in Yemen within a month. thats justice.

I keep seeing this picture of this guy and he is truly hideous looking. It's a good thing thing in Islam they have arranged marriages, I can't imagine any women letting this thing close to her otherwise.
Not to mention the delusions this guy has running around his head, if I had to listen to his crap day in and day out, I'd slit my own throat.
I couldn't understand why he wasn't picked up when he had the celebrations outside the mosque after 9-11.

What a waste of air.

what about the rape and pilage muslims did in the balkans for 500 years! they killed and acted like a lawless savage, thank god we got rid of them and our countries are quickly recovering, faster than a muslim country still stuck in time
yet as christains we dont dwell on the past, the 500 years of slavery by turks we move on and build a better country and dont blame anyone else for our problems thats the christian way
we prevailed, kept our faith and drove them into the desert, thank God

John, the UK has an agreement with the USA that anyone who gets extradited can't receive the death penalty. Hamza will get life, which is much better in my opinion - why do him a favour by turning him into a 'martyr'?

I agree. I'm not a supporter of the death penalty for anyone, and particularly not for him.

There are various viewpoints about this guy. Maybe the police/intelligence people have good reason for thinking that he's serious, but many other people regard him as just a windbag. He's made a career out of being a bogeyman for the tabloids. Martyrdom might be just what he wants.

His first words when arrested were:
"Where is moose and squirrel?"

Susan B

His marriage to the brit lady was before he became an islamo-nutter. He looked more normal then.

Trouble was it was a bigamous marriage, and it was the basis of his citizenship claim. That's what the government is trying to do him for now - not terrorism or incitememt - oh no - just false claim for citizenship. They've given him (the government) a six-figure sum to employ the best lawyers to fight his case, and a further year to get his arguments together. In the meantime, we're paying him and his family £1000 UK pounds per week to stay in this country and preach his bile. Oh, and a free house in London, courtesy of us Kaffirs as well.

Finally we are getting some results! It's time to deal with radical muslims who live in the West, use the freedoms of the West to promote their agenda, call for allegiance to Islam and Shariah above and beyond any allegiance to country and Constitution, cry 'foul' when exposed by the free press in the West, cry about their constitutional rights when finally prosecuted, use every trick in the book to stay in the West, etc etc..........
Time to go, Captain Hook. Time to walk the plank. Aaaaaargh matey, give 'em the heavo ho!

Mike H

Mahmoud,
I realize, it isn't Muslim to think for you'd rather take Allah's command for granted. Still, consider this.
Hadn't it been the Americans to conquer the Indians, Islam would have certainly been there with a ready programme for pagans. Chase them, and kill them, and make no friends from among them, until they convert? Sounds like that in your 'holy Quran', doesn't it?

I'd rather see Captain Hook do time is
a "Ass pounding" federal prison and while he's
there he can lead the prayers for all those
law-abiding peacefull Muslims in his cell block.

KNOW ISLAM - NO PEACE

There are no calls to worship in solitary

"europeans who literally stole the indian lands. Isn't it shameful for you?"

So you think it is wrong for one group of people to take over another group of people's lands per se? Or is it just wrong when non-Muslims do it and especially wrong when it is non-Muslims doing it to Muslims?

"Stop accusing others for the crimes you so balantly commited through your shamefull history."

The words "pot", "kettle" and "black" spring to mind here!