Say hi to rantisi and yassin for us. What else...oh yeah, NEXT!

I am noting a distinct lack of dancing in the street s of Jerusalem over this. Not that I think this is a bad thing, I do not want to be like the barbiarans who take joy from the death of a human, even one as evil as this. Don't get me wrong I'm glad he's worm food, but I'm more glad that Israelis have not become like the savages who celbrate when people are killed.

YEAHHHHH, I GUESS THE AMERICANS WILL GET THE BLAME FOR THIS ONE TOO. NOT BECAUSE WE DID IT OF COURSE BUT BECUASE IT WAS OR MISSLE AND OUR CHOPPER THAT DID IT. HOPEFULLY RIGHT BEFORE THE MISSLE HIT HE READ MADE IN THE USA, GOD WILLING.
THE PALISTINENES ALWAYS BITCH AND MOAN ABOUT CIVILIANS DYING IN THESE ACTS OF STRIKING DOWN THE TERRORISTS. HEY IF YOU DONT WANT CIVILIANS DEAD IN ACTS LIKE THIS, GET THESE TERRORISTS AND LINE THEM UP AND KILL THEM YOURSELVES. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOUR PAIN AND SUFFERING WILL END. JEREMIAH 20:12

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"Another one bites the dust ..."

Zach in Jerusalem...

The whole world notes the difference between the Israels reaction to death and the Islamists...Not to mention the Israels reason for military intervention. The Palestinians are fooling only themselves and the Liberals when they try and play victims...Even the EU knows the difference. It is just not in their best interest to do the RIGHT Thing.

We also note the difference reactions here in the US...Though we did not do anything about the rejoicing that took place in New Jersey and Seattle after 9/11...Or the Skewed reporting of every event that takes place in the Middle East...Hmmm Maybe another 9/11 will do the trick called WAKING US UP????

OH OH BASIL - You do realise you're inviting more of those 15,000 word postings from the ambassadors for peace don't you ?
And it is true that people in the west do take note of the total difference in response to these things. We are so used to endless pictures of dancing cheeering ranting raving arabs from so many middle east countries that it's becoming a kind of stock newsreel image. There is a phenomenon called "charity fatigue", i think there's a new one developing, "images of arab protestors fatigue"

Israel is cruel and cowardly country. According to Israel there is no such thing as a guerilla, an insurgent or resistance fighter. All of Israel's enemies are labled terrorists. Maybe that makes it easier for them to kill so many women and children. Heres a quote from someone in a position to know who really runs the show in Washington.

"I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews..... terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country"
-Former Secretary of State John Foster Dulles

Every form of resistence against Israeli terrorism against the Palestinians is branded as "terrorism". When will you foolish un-educated ignorent people learn... Action causes reaction. The fact still remains that the Jews are occupying land that DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM and are killing innocents and inciting violence every single day! The Israelis murder Muslim religious leaders such acts alone can be defined as STATE TERRORISM because such acts are guaranteed to provoke more suicide bombing which the Israeli Government thrive on. Uri Avernery (Israeli peace activist) described for example the assasination of shek Ahmad yassin (May peace be upon him) as the act of Israels "bankrupt political and military leaders" who were trying to cover up their failuers by a catastrophic escalation. "This act will not only endanger the personal security of every "Israeli" (I dont believe the Jews in Palestine can be called Israelis seeing as Israel is a logically and historically redundant name for ancient PALESTINE mail me if u want facts), both in the country and around the world, but also the existential security of the state of "Israel". It has grievously hurt the chances of putting an end to the Israeli-Palestinian, Israeli-Arab and Israeli-Muslim conflicts". (Note the distinction between Arab, Palestinian and Muslim, the fact remain that not all Palestinians are Muslims and many of our greatest freedom fighters were and still are CHRISTIAN a fact that you so called "christians in the US should know, damn ignorent uneducated REDNECKS!)

Such murders serves the interest of Bush and his admin which seeks to impose a police state in the US under the pretexts of a "war on terror" which Bush admin policies deliberatly inflame. Such assasinations have been carried out with US approval. The Palestinians until now have avoided targeting US personnel or facilites. This may soon change, the Palestinians may play into Bush's hands. The US wants such reactions aginst Americans in order to escalate their targetting of Palestinians and associate them with Osama Bin Laden (Again Iraq, and Palestine have nothing to do with Bin Laden or their ideology the opposite is in fact the case both are secular in nature Character and on a social level, in the case of Iraq it was...) This at the same time as adopting the terrorist state of Israel and its Governemtn as "allies in the war on terror". The US will also take a larger role in the oppression of Palestinians in occupied lands by claiming the oppression was part of the war on terror.

But people are forgetting the terrorist rabbies in Judaism, the late Meir Kahane being notorious, though not the most murderous. The alleged Arab assassin of Rabbi Kahane is serving a 40 year prison sentence in New Yorks maximum security prison, while the assassins of Sheik Yassin recieve applause among neo-cons in America! (God bless it NOT!)

Israeli army chaplains often compare Palestinians to "Amalek" a nation which followers of Judaism believe is fated for extermination. These Judaic chaplains encourage Israeli troops to shoot Palestinians of ALL AGES and sexes at every opportunity (and I thought all thoese thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians were victims of stray bullets!!!) The Israeli Army has killed thousands of civilians (three times as many as visa versa) including hundreds of children, since the start of the recent intifada. If it is right to kill the muslim religious leaders such as Ahmad Yassin, is it also ethical to kill Israeli army chaplains who inspire atrocities against my people the Palestinians? Rabbi Moshe Levenger is a convicted murderer (of an unarmed Palestinian shop keeper, for which he served a few months in jail), and one of the most blood thirsty founders of the Talmudic "settler" movement who has much innocent Palestinian blood on his hands. Levenger continues to stir up poroms against Arab villagers! Is there a Palestinian "right to self defense" against criminal rabbies and the atrocities they carry out and if so does it extend to the assassination of these rabbies? Certainly to many people our there any Palestinian killing of a rabbi, no matter how guilty he may be would still qualify as a terror act in the eyes ofalmost all US establishment opinion-makers. Assassination of political and religious figures is universally regarded as an act of terror when Arabs do it. If any Arab were to kill a terrorist rabbi in the "Israeli" "State" or in New York such a killing would immediately be labelled as an act of terropr by the US Governemt and the US media would search for an "AL Qeada" link.
But when the Israelis commit such an assassination they describe it as "Part of the struggle against terror". CNN states this repeatedly in its reports. CNN always terms the killing of Israeli civilians as terrorism. But CNN calls the killin of Palestinian civilians "anti terrorism" this double standard is Judaic supremacy in action!Only goyim in the US and UK accept this double standard; the international community reject it!. The rest of the world regard the Israeli-American "war on terror" as a charade whcih exists to cover up the state terror of Washington DC and Jerusalem.

Bush preaches "democratic and civil principles" to the Arab world while he encourages and supplies Israeli assassins who murder accused without prosecution, trial or conviction. The rule of law thus cast aside in favor of the law of the jungle by non other than BUSH!

WHEN MUSLIMS MODERATE THEIR STAND, PUT OUT FEELERS TOWARD DIPLOMACY, OR SEEK A SETTLEMENT, THE ISRAELI-AMERICAN MONSTROSITY RESPONDS WITH MISSILES AND BULLETS AIMED AT MUSLIM (SOME CHRISTIAN) CIVILIANS AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS, IN ORDER TO INSTIGATE MORE RELEXIVE, RETRIBUTION BLOODBATH THAT IS THEN PRESENTED ON AMERICAN TV AS "PROOF" OF THE INSTRINSIC AND INERADICABLE BESTIALITY OF ARABS AND MUSLIMS!!

Gosh,

Let me just try to feel sorry for these plain old folk motorcyclists........NAAHHH! Good shot Israel! See if you can hit a few more terrorists bikers!

Issah Koury:

I read the article in last week's 'New Yorker' about the Jewish Fundamentalist settlers and it strengthened my conviction that they are theocratic fascists and an enemy to peace. Their removal from Gaza is a necessary step, for both political and tactical/strategic reasons.
Having said that, I want to remind you that this element comprises only about 2% (as per the same article) of Israeli society, and is not loved much by the majority. In contrast, the hallmark of the entire islamic fundamentalist terror movement is theocratic fascism. Sheik Yassin, may he roast in hell, was an evil spirit who approved of terrorist attacks upon innocent civilians. Palestinians are under the dominance of an apocalyptic Moloch-0cult, that sends its children to die. One reason for the many Palestinian children killed and wounded is that the adult gunmen hide behind rows of stone-throwing kids (as per the same article). Palestinian terrorists took over the Church of the Nativity. What would happen if Israel's troops took over the Dome of the Rock and used it as a gun base?
Issah Koury; you have lost all semblance of objectivity due to you extreme partisan mindset. You can only see the wrong committed by the few on the other side, while ignoring the evil committed by the many terrorists on the Palestine/islamic terrorist side. You also avoid the fact that Palestinian Christians are leaving Palestine due to pressures from muslim extremists.
As far as the targeting / assassination of Hamas and Hezbollah leadership by Israel: Live by the sword, die by the sword. Good shot Israel!
In closing, I support the removal of Jewish fundamentalist settlers from Gaza and from 95% of the West Bank. I support the creation of a Palestininan State, and I support the building of the wall to separate it from Israel. Obviously, you guys can't live together so you will need a giant 'time-out' for things to settle down. I also support the complete ban on any nuclear power by any islamic country. The islamic community is emotionally incapable of self-restraint and is currently under attack by a virulent strain of apocalyptic fever that is destroying its moral fibre from within. You are fast becoming a danger to the entire world with your emotionally immature refusal to take responsibility for your own failings and to indulge in terror as a response to these same failings.
Stop blaming Israel and the USA for your problems. Grow up!

Mike H.

"Hamas called the attack a "cowardly assassination crime" "

And blowing up a bus full of schoolchilderen is an act of heroic rescintance, sure Hamas *rolls eyes*

The Zionist criminals murder two unarmed men on a motorcycle by firing an American-made missle from an American-made helicopter. This you see as cause for rejoicing! But if a Muslim confronts an oppressor face-to-face and punishes him for his crimes, you rant about the "barbarity" and "evil" of Islam. Do you really believe that the world is deceived by your hypocrisy?

Allahu akbar

"Palestinian Christians are leaving Palestine due to pressures from muslim extremists."

Has it not occured to you that Christians are leaving because of Israeli occupation of their land? Palestinian Christians find it easier to intergrate themselves in the west because of they are Christians thus more Christians leave Palestine as opposed to their Muslim brothers. Second the Gunmen who entered the Church of the Nativity were Palestinians! NOTE the clergymen who run the Church are also PALESTINIAN! the Gunmen ran into the church in order to seek refuge and did NOT! take it by force as you in the west would make out! It is also worth taking note at the fact that the statue of the virgin Mary (May god be pleased with her) was riddled by Israeli bullets and the Chruch bell ringer shot dead by an Israeli sniper.

I am sure many of the Fatah gunmen were Christians themselves another fact which never reaches you in the west.

I am a Palestinian and I have lived in Bethlehem... to know the truth is to experience the reality on the ground as it were.

and all that living by the sword crap.... well it was not us the Palestinians who began the cycle of violence the Palestine-"Israel" conflict began with the emergence of Zionism.....

Do you think the world can't see through the fiction that Islam is a religion, rather than a terrorist ideology? Too bad, we've sussed you now, and there's no turning back.

I don't care what you term the monsters who run Hammas, Terorist or any other term. They are at war with the state of Israel. As such Israel is fully within its rights to attack them. And acording to the Geniva convetions parties to a conflict (hammas) may not hide in a civilian area. But hammas very much does this.

Issa,

Can you recommend a good book that covers the history of Palestine - from the Palestinian perspective. There are plenty of us in the US that want to understand both sides of the conflict.

However, I don't know of anyone in the US that can see justification in targeting civilians on either side. It appears that many Palastinian civilian casualties result from collateral damage as Isralis target "terrorists" or "freedom fighters." But, I rarely see Palestinian suicide bombers target anything other than civilians. Can you help me understand this? Do you support suicide bombers targeting civilians as a legitimate political tactic?

Bravo Issa Khoury,

Very perceptive of you indeed. A concise analysis of the basic stick and carrot (or bomb &breadcrumb) policy employed by the US (&other superpowers). Nauseating double standards; nevertheless you are wasting your breath here as all intelligent people have ceased writing. All that’s left are these morons...(some of them think they are soldiers). You are not defending your country hence you are nothing but lowlife mercenaries recruited from the most impoverished, uneducated, brainwashed classes and can never win a war against people with true and just convictions who fight on a daily basis for their freedom, self-determination, their very survival against overwhelming odds. All the firepower bestowed to your imperialism can never crush the soul and spirit of Palestinians, Iraqis and others. Delivering democracy…hahahahahahaha delivering bombs more like.

Axos, you say "nevertheless you are wasting your breath here as all intelligent people have ceased writing." Where did they go? Can you recommend another website where better discussions take place?

I would encourage Issa to continue posting here. There are far more readers on this website than posters, and viewpoints like those of Issa's are underrepresented.

Most of those Intelligent posters are off enjoying LIFE and LIBERTY on their Memorial Day weekend. You know, the kind of thing you are trying to take away from them and the rest of the world?

Those of us left are also busy enjoying what God gave us this weekend. You may howl your hypocrisy and hatred of the world (and the US) all you wish. We'll catch up tomorrow and the more eloquent among us will once again make hash of everything you say.

Have a Nice day. Not.

Reza, what are you moaning about? You wanted a holy war didn't you? Well you've got one now, so stop whining like a spoilt child and show some gratitude. I know you're desperate to become martyrs, but you just need to be a bit more patient. The fact that you spend most of the time hiding behind women and children doesn't make it any easier for us to send you to paradise, but we are trying, I promise.

I'm glad another Hamas leader is dead. Hamas violates the laws of war and their leaders are getting what they deserve as terrorist leaders are legitimate military targets.I think what upsets Palestinians and their supporters most is that these targeted killings combined with Isreals new security fence are working. The elimination of Hamas leaders is making it difficult for the Palestinians to organize to continue their campaign of mass murder in Isreal.Thus the outrage from Palestinians and their supporters.

HAHAHAHA, I hope all you palistinians got a good look at the MADE IN THE USA on the missle as it slammed into his head. there are plenty of more of those where it came from. Keep blowing yourselves up U DUMB BASTARDS.

Issah,
Funny thing I read awhile back. Palestinians hate this stuff too, BTW:
You assert the land doesn't belong to them....funny, all the "palestinian" (ie, arab-ish-y) buildings found in archeology sites are above ground, or very close to it...in other words...RECENT. ALL the Jewish sites found are MUCH deeper, extensive and go down for quite a long time, depth wise...in other words, THE JEWS WERE THERE FIRST, AND FOR FAR LONGER!
Being displaced, then returned to your home many many years later isn't the same thing...

To Erik Stacy - We could argue forever about Israel's tactics or history, but can you really call them a cowardly country?

It is a matter of historical fact, not merely an opinion, that in the last century they twice took on several arab countries in war and despite being massively outnumbered, they won in both cases.

I know you can argue that they were/are backed by American money, but they were not bolstered by American troops. And as for the arab regimes involved at that time, they were backed to the hilt by the old soviet union.

I have read several good independent historians on those conflicts, and one part i will never forget, is that the russian "advisors" expressed their despair at the antics of their arab protegees. In one memorable account, i read how the egyptians, despite having been supplied with the latest soviet tanks (T54 or T55 i think) which had infra red gunsights enabling night time firing, and gyrosopic stabilising turrets so that their guns could fire on the move, wouldn't learn how to use either properly and were therefore sitting ducks for the israelis.

And i would also ask you just how cruel it is to shoot a couple of jewish children strapped in the back seat of their mothers car, and then call yourself a hero?

Its a different mindset, a parallel universe type of thinking going on with the "holy warriors" i think you'll find, the more you look into it.

From the USA,

No i can't tell you any other sites but I have ventured into sites recomended in these pages. Admitedly there is a lot of fanaticism but it is not unfounded. Would you not fight for your beliefs, sovereignty, hometown, family, pride etc Do not blindly fall for the 'democracy' bs...'Terrorism' is a term applied, (just as 'barbarians' was applied in ancient times),
freely, to bestow legitimacy upon our unjust real motives of involvement. We would be in absolute threat in the western world if it was not for our insipid, arrogant (moral high ground) military and other interventions.

rephrase "in absolutely no threat"

The palestinian people are a landless people who regardless of various historical aspects, koranic verses etc have a right to that geographic area...because they live there and have been leaving there for generations;(jews were expelled in ancient times) who are being radicalized as a result of their prolonged ordeal. It is just not fair to simply expell or dislocate any population. After systematically exterminating native americans and appropriating their land, not to mention 200 years of nigger-bashing I find it unacceptable that such bigotry should be directed unashemedly, making no distinctions whatsoever. Maybe designating the 'other' and victimizing him is needed for re-asserting our identiy but that is not 'progress', do not let yourself to be re-entrenched into rigid tribalisms. In this day and age such attitudes should be condemned and not promoted. It is up to us to lead the way, the more prosperous and educated societies (educated can be debated owing to our recent acquiescence to actions undertaken by our governments without our democratic consent).

I consider people barbaric who collect body parts and hold them for ransom. I also consider people barbaric who would sit and be interviewed on television with the severed head of an Isreali soldier on the table.I think it's cowardly to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children. I also don't think much of people who dance in the streets when 3000 Americans die.

While Palestinians celebrated the death of 3000 Americans in contrast Isreal declared a day of national mourning.The Palestinians shoot themselves in the foot again and again and wonder why they get no sympathy from most Americans.It's been said that to have a friend you have to be a friend. Isrealis behave like friends while Palestinians behave like enemies. I also feel no obligation to lead the way for people I consider vicious and barbaric who show by their actions again and again they don't want to be our friends. I'm happy to say I have nothing in common with the Palestinians.

ARXOS - You made a very interesting point there, about displacing and dislocating people, let me ask you, how much of present day Turkey do you think should be returned to the people who formerly lived there when most of it was called, Armenia, and parts of it were called Greece?

Hamas decided to cheat ten-year-olds into wearing bombs. Its leaders therefore deserve no mercy. Right now, the shades of Yasin, Rantisi, and now Wael Nassar now know the real Shaitan, because they are in his presence.

Further, the parents who let their kids strap on bombs need to have their bottoms bared and paddled in public.

YEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

I'M DANCIN DANCIN DANCIN!!! ANOTHER "RELIGION OF PEACE" KOOK GOES TO ALLAH. I THROW PORK RINDS AT THIS CORPSE. NO 72 VIRGNS FOR WAEL.

It is fascinating to study the invention, post-1967, of the "Palestinian people." This was the name given to all the various Arabic-speaking inhabitants of the West Bank (a toponym coined in 1948, to avoid using the placenames "Judea" and "Samaria" which, until then, had for two millennia appeared on all the maps of Western Christendom). Some were local Arabs. Others were the children or grandchildren of the vast Arab in-migration that occurred during the Mandatory Period -- more Arabs came in than did Jews, though the Mandate for Palestine was established for the express, and indeed sole, purpose, of promoting the Jewish National Home.

Others among the "Palestinian People" included Muslims transplanted into the area by the Ottomans -- Muslims from the Balkans, and Bulgaria, who otherwise would have had to endure Christian rule after the Ottoman power receded from Europe (after the Bulgarian wars of 1876-1877). Others were the descendants of Egyptian troops who came with Mehmet Ali and never left. Others were from North Africa (and included some Berber speakers, who eventually switched to Arabic), and were survivors of Abdel Kader's ranks. Successive waves kept coming from Egypt, especially; Arafat himself was born in Cairo, and speaks Arabic with a still-recognizable Egyptian inflection. Much of the money he has stolen for his own ends has gone, interestingly, into Egyptian real estate -- chiefly in Heliopolis.

The phrase, and the notion, of a "Palestinian people" does not appear even once in the thousands of pages of records of debates on the subject, from 1947 on, at the U.N. -- until well after the Six-Day War. Not a single Arab spokesman, not a single ambassador, not Azzam Pasha (who in 1948 was the head of the Arab League -- and incidentally, though perhaps not coincidentally, was the great-uncle of Ayman al-Zawahiri, now playing one of the Companions to Bin Laden's Muhammad somewhere close to Waziristan), ever used the phrase "Palestinian people." Ahmed Shukairy, Arafat's too-forthright predecessor, never used it. Nor did Arafat himself, until after 1967. No, as he never tired of saying in the early days, "Palestine does not interest us. It is a mere drop in the Arab sea, from the Atlantic to the Gulf." And one should recall the famous mask-dropping admission by Zuheir Mohsen, head of the Syrian-backed As Saiqa terrorist group, in an interview given to the journalist James Dorsey that appeared in the Dutch publicatioin Der Trouw: "There is no such thing as Palestinians. There is no difference between us and the Syrians, the Lebanese [the Muslim Lebanese, obviously], the Egyptians, the Jordanians. The idea of the "Palestinain people" is just a new weapon in the struggle against the Zionist enemy." After all, what distinctive features do the "Palestinian people" possess? A distinct language? Religion? Fairy tales? Food? Clothing? It is simply a convenient fiction, and of course among those falling for it have been many Israelis, who enjoy wallowing in their own (non-existent) feelings of guilt. Why should they have them? They live on 1/1000 of the lands seized by the Arabs, who deny to every non-Muslim or non-Arab minorities -- Berbers, Kurds, Maronites, Copts, Sudanese blacks -- not only the right to self-determination, but even the most elementary cultural rights (only this year did the Arabs of Algeria cease to punish Berbers for speaking Tamazight).

The war against Israel has nothing to do with the imaginary rights of a recently-invented "Palestinian people." It is a classic Jihad, directed at an infidel state. Israel's size does not matter. No Infidel sovereignty can be tolerated within the dar al-Islam. It simply cannot be. Once that is understood, the futility of negotiations and treaties will also be understood. The Arabs, of course, find treaties to be useful, for pushing back the enemy, weakening the Infidel's resolve, and eventually going in for the kill. This is not fantasy; it is a simple statement of Muslim ideology. Of course, the countries of dar al-Harb will ultimately meet the same fate, but for the moment the chosen instrument of conquest is migration, and then da'wa, or conversion, and subversion, from within.

If this is clearly understood by both the United States and Israel (and by remaining friends of both in Europe) then it will be clear that the only way to maintain the peace is for the Infidel side, that of Israel, to remain so strong, and so obviously strong, that the Muslim side will not dare to attack. That necessitates Israel's retention of all the territory it now holds -- a very tiny amount of territory, in any case, and all of it, one needs to be reminded, was part of the 22% of Mandatory Palestine -- Western Palestine -- that was left for the Jews to establish their state once the 78% on the eastern side of the Jordan had been lopped off, and handed over to Emir Abdullah, for the Emirate of Transjordan (in 1946, renamed the Kingdom of Jordan).

Deterrence worked for the United States; it finally outlasted Soviet Russia, and it was Communism that fell. Deterrence is the only realistic strategy for Israel, but the strange unwillingness of Israelis to recognize that what they face is a classic Jihad (which may be explained by their unwillingness to recognize an unpleasant truth, and also a fear of offending those few Muslim states that the Israeli government has tried to cultivate, such as Turkey) has had consequences, and not only for Israel. For its lack of clarity has helped confuse the United States. Had Israel, beginning in June 1967, articulated on every occasion the real nature of the Jihad against it, it is at least possible that the peoples of Western Europe would have not only not abandoned Israel, as they have as an act of deliberate policy, but not allowed the unfettered immigration of Muslims to their countries -- for Israel could have encouraged public study of what Jihad is, what the real tenets of Islam are, what happens to non-Muslims under Muslim rule. Perhaps it is too much to have asked of the Israelis; they are always lurching from one crisis to the next. But the Israeli government, at this date, should be listening closely to its own scholars of Islam -- Moshe Sharon, Raphael Israeli, and the others who have written so acutely about Islam. The situation is not hopeless, but it is one that can be only worsened, not ameliorated, through any further farcical agreements. It is important that, in Washington, the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya be well understood. To date, it is hardly known. That situation is bound to change. People begin to study, begin to see patterns, from the Moro Islands to the southern Sudan, to northern Nigeria, not forgetting Thailand, or Madrid, or the separation of Muslim from non-Muslim in Khobar yesterday.

Education about Islam will, and just in time, help non-Muslims to adopt the strict policies that self-defense demand. One hopes that for Israel it is not too late. It would be intolerable if Israel were to be thrown to the Muslim wolves, and then, once it was devoured, that spectacle would have roused the same Western Europe that did the throwing of tiny Israel to those snarling wolves, to shake off its sloth and save itself, through whatever it takes -- including expulsions akin to those the Czechs felt were justified, in 1946, in regard to the Sudeten Germans.

Excellent posting Hugh,
right on all counts.

Yeah Hugh nice work cutting and pasting information that you ripped off some website. To claim that the Palestinian do not exist as a people is a historic falacy and crime which any self respecting historian would clarify.
Yes Syrians, Lebanese, Eqyptians and Palestinians are the same they are genetic brothers as are semetic Jews. This does not mean that as a nation and a people the Palestinians do no exists who do you think you are fooling?

The history of Palestine extends further than the kingdom of David and Soloman which the Zionist Jews base their territorial claim... Since when has an "Israeli" people ever exisisted on ALL of Palestine? never because the Jews infact had a kingdom covering only a fraction of the ancient Palestine thus the Jews were one of MANY peoples who settled and lived in the land (like most other countries in the world are not excusively made up of one people with one history). In fact Jerusalem was already a fortified city in 1800BCE!!!This predated the Israelite civilisation by eight centuries. This system was built by the Cannanite civilisation. The fact still remains there is far more Roman, Christians and and Muslim character to anceint Palestine than there is Jewish character (covering the entire land!). The Zionist Jews base their claim over Palestine on the Kingdoms of David and Soloman. The kingdom of David lasted 73 years and then fell apart!!! hardly enough time to even begin to build a nation or a GREAT civilisation as have the Arab Muslim and Christians. Even if we include the Kingdom of soloman into the equation we reach just over 400 years of Israelite rule over only a fraction of what the Jews today call "Israel". Thus the Arab Muslims and the Christians stake more claim to ancient Palestine than the Jews although all three Abrahamic faith share the history and culture of the land (Muslims and Christians do not worship a different God they all believe in the Abraham etc...).

In conclusion the the Muslim conquest in Palestine (7th century) made Muslim converts of the natives of ancient Palestine including many Jews and Christians and in fact settled down as residents, intermarried with them, the end result is was the complete Arabization of ancient Palestine (Exactly the same way all other Arab countries today became ARAB!!!)

The Muslim have thus far ruled Palestine for over 1500 years since its conquest by the Caliph Omar. This by far exceed that of the Jews (This argument alone is enough to refute any claim that the Jews and Jews alone exclusivly own the land).

As Edward Said (Rest in Peace) put it:

"Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics - including its name in Arabic, Filastin - became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314." Edward Said, "The Question of Palestine."

http://www.palestineinfo.co.uk/am/publish/cat_index_10.shtml

TO FIND OUT THE REAL HISTORY OF THE LAND ITS PEOPLE... DONT BELIEVE THE ZIONIST LIE...

Never forget the holocaust of the 1990's, the one where Christian Serbs massacred Muslims in concentration camps. Never forget Sabra and Shatila, where Israel and Christian terrorists slaughtered every Muslim woman and child they could find. Never forget Ayodhya where Hindu mobs demolished a mosque and slaughtered millions of Muslims throughout India with the support of their government. Never forget Gujarat 2002, where hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred. Never forget the partition of Punjab and Bengal in 1947, where Sikhs and Hindus slaughtered millions Muslims (never forget the Train Massacre...worst massare in the history of the world). Never forget....

You still think you are the VICTIMS HERE fuck you...

Hey mousebrain,

The US went to war to stop the killing of muslims in bosnia. As for your farewell, same to you.

cheers

Is Issa Khoury aware that his last name implies a Christian origin? Is he one of those who is inclined to be even more crazily Muslim, especially in his "history" lesson, because he is a Christian Arab, needs to curry favor with Muslims all aroudn him, and lacks the self-assurance, for example, of the Maronites (who use Arabic, but are not Arabs, whatever the idiotic Taif Agreement forced on them by Syria and Saudi Arabia and the rest of the hideous Arab League forced them to say).

I won't bother with his histories from outer space; it is amusing, and altogether proper, that he should put a Muslim blessing after Edward Said's name, for Said, a nominal Christian (raised and educated in Cairo, where he attended Victoria College -- though he was born, because his parents trusted Jewish-run hospitals, in Jerusalem. (By the way, didn't Said also die in a Jewish-run hospital, where he had been kept alive, and his leukemia kept at bay, for years?)

But about Said's potted history, it is instructive to note, in his ludicrous "Palestine," that he ignores all of the evidence of the Western travellers to that region who testified as to its desolation, from the late 18th century on. He carefully ignores Volney, for example, though in his other books he shows he is aware of Volney (and uses him). He does not quote, but instead blithely alludes to, Lamartine and Chateaubriand, Mark Twain and Melville -- all of whom saw, and reported on, the ruin, desolation, and near-total emptiness of the region. It is fascinating to see how, in his first chapter, Said fails to quote from these people, and then to compare how he uses them, and how Samuel Katz, in his great one-volume study, "Battleground: Fact and Fiction in Palestine" uses those sources, actually quoting from them most aptly.

Said, who has been well dismembered by Ibn Warraq (see www.secularislam.org, and search for the article on him), and by Keith Windschuttle, and a devastating review by J. B. Kelly in National Review some decades ago, and now by many others, including some from the so-called "Third World," has no reputation left except among Said-groupies (growing up is hard to do). Now that Said's apparent personal charm, liquid brown eyes and all that sincerity and phony anguish, has turned to dust, those who might have succumbed to all that jazz can see him as the hystericdal charlatan, who knew nothing about Islam but presumed to defend it, knew noting of Islamic history (what, after all, is one to make of someone who thinks that Byzantium was islamized before Spain and North Africa -- when it occured some 700-800 years later?), knew Arabic imperfectly (whatever his sins, one is grateful to Bernard Lewis for his smooth demolishment of Said, and that footnote on "thawra" which demonstrated how inept Said was in thickets of Arab philology), and, when it came to literature, he had views on its uses and worth that were not distinguishable from that of Lunacharsky, or Goebbels).

Khoury himself is unimportant, for as the Russians would say, he is "neduel'nij" (not duellable, as it would be infra dig). But for those readers who might need further information, a few truths about the heretofore successful campaign to present the inextinguishable, and unappeasable, Jihad against Israel as a fight for the "legitimate rights" of the (newly-minted) "Palestinian people," -- two tiny peoples, blah blah blah -- justifies, I hope, this posting.

Anonymous and Issa:

Some of us were indeed appalled at Srbrenica and the measures taken against the Kosovars--and applauded intervention to stop them. When I worked for the Thrice-Accursed US Department of State, I myself reported on the nastiness China practices on its Muslims (when all the independent Dar-al-Islam could care less that their brethren go to jail for 10 years for giving religious instruction to persons under 18--or, under Mao, were "liberated" by being forced to raise swine). Go to the Annual Human Rights Report--albeit some of it got bowdlerized for the sake of the painful objectivity governments try to set forth.

There even are Hindus and other non-Muslim Indians appalled at the Ayodhya incident--and the BJP's willingness to inflame communal tensions may have been one of the reasons it got voted out of power.

But, where are the Muslims who concede and deplore as morally reprehensible the Armenian and Assyrian atrocities between the 1890's and 1920's (in WWI, some of the massacres began with attacks on Armenians actually wearing the Sultan's uniform and bearing his arms!)? Or who in the Dar-ul-Islam raise their voices to call the assault on the Christians of Southern Sudan "un-Islamic"? While many of us Christians have long questioned the rightness of the Crusades, are there Muslims willing to concede that the harshness of Ottoman conquest, devirsme, and other things may have something to do with the fierce anti-Muslim passions still evident from Bessarabia to the Adriatic and from Transylvania to Crete? How many speak out against the attacks on the Jews who remain in Tunisia and Morocco (obviously non-Zionists, if ever there were any)--or who are appalled that Iraq, where once between 100-200,000 Jews lived, where the Babylonian Talmud was compiled, and where Daniel and Ezekiel are buried, became virtually Jew-free within living memory?

If you want to help defuse the looming inter-civilizational conflict (which I, for one, see growing like something out of Greek tragedy, frankly), you would do well to consider that the non-Muslim may also have a just grievance.

Kepha:

Good point. Each side has done both good and bad. The human condition is intrinsically flawed, and no one is perfect. This basic reality of life makes the appropriation of the 'moral high ground' so very important in any conflict.

For instance, the Abu Graibh mistreatments were a loss of moral high ground, but they were reported and are being acted upon. What happened was wrong, and the guilty parties are being brought to account. The US Army even reported that Tillman was probably killed by friendly fire; not a public relations victory for sure. Why was this reported? Because we believe in openness, even when we don't like it. Many people see this as a weakness. But it is part of the 'self-correction' mechanism that has evolved in the West. Our flaws are exposed to public criticism and lessons are drawn from this experience.

None such process exists within the islamic world. Fundamentalist islam seeks a universal caliphate under rule of Shariah, enforced by mullahs. Islam can't admit weakness because it feels weak. It's own internal contradictions have put it in conflict with the stream of modernism.

However, the appeal of Islam is to a more simpler, devout and sincere public relationship between God and Man. The lack of this in Western, spec European society shows the weakness of secular, materialistic humanism. As Jesus said: "Man does not live by bread alone". Islam fills that need with a 'one-stop' solution and this gives it great appeal to many souls who feel lost in the emerging world of future-shock bio-engineering, nano-technology, virtual -world entertainment, pop culture excess "God-is dead" materialism. The appeal of Islam is to a mythical 'golden' past, the appeal of the modern society is to a 'Star Trek' future. Conflict is almost certain in this situation.

Mike H

Issa's comments remind me of a story that I once heard from a friend:

"Two men one day stood upon a piece of ground. One said to the other, "This land is mine! I received it from my father, who received it from his father." The other man said, "No, but it is mine. I fought for it and won it by conquest. Therefore I deserve to own it." And the earth responded to them both, "No, but both of you are mine and one day when you die, rest assured, I will claim ownership."

The truth of the matter is that land belongs to G-d and G-d alone will give it to whom He may. If the Arabs have lost it, perhaps there is a reason that they aren't willing to acceed to. It makes no sense to fight about it.

anonymouse:

You seem to have a problem with the zero digit. Try not to add too many in future, as it makes your exaggerations hilarious, rather than merely pathetic.

Michael H: You are doubtlessly right; and I can only say a hearty "Amen" to your quoting the Gospel (I am, after all, Christian). But, I fear that while everyone screams about the asymmetries of power (how great the West's is), I am very uncomfortable that all the self-criticism and willingness to put out the olive branch also comes from the West. This is no recipe for peace.

Kepha:

We in the West try to live by certain moral and ethical standards; that is our greatest weakness but also our greatest strength.

Please don't ever underestimate the Will of the American people (nor, I believe , that of the Brits and the Aussies). We will get the job done or die trying. God has blessed us in many ways, not the least of which is with the freedom to live as we choose, and once experienced, this freedom will never be surrendered. "Give me liberty or give me death ..." epitomizes the American Spirit.

CGW:

Yep, that's it. There is absolutely no way that America will ever adopt Islam. There is just too much of a cultural divide and difference of values. However, the USA will have to deal with the immigration of muslims, and the presence of a sizable muslim population, if current trends continue. Several articles on jihadwatch have illustrated the rise in islamic fundamentalism in disaffected islamic youth within the West, spec. in Europe. This begs the question wether islam is compatible with democracy. SHould we allow unlimited immigration? Should we put limits upon further immigration from islamic countries? These will be the big questions that we'll need to address. Some of these immigrants will become part of the much-needed islamic Reformation that is long overdue. But many others will never 'conveert' to our way of life and will always provide their prime allegiance to their religion. Because islam has no separation between church and state, this is dangerous. There have been several comments on this site by muslims about the use of capital punishment against islamic apostates. To them ,treason against islam is the same as treason against the USA; i.e. a capital crime.
These kinds of attitudes are fundamentally incompatible with ours. We should not allow anyone who harbors these beliefs to immigrate here.

Mike H

new leaders will always arise in Hamas, no matter how many Israel kills, and recruits from the palestinian civilian population will keep the group's ranks full. these helicopter assasinations are futile, and sheik yassin was a moderate. Hamas is an organization that uses terrorist tactics, yes, but since its cause reflects the will of the Palestinian people to be free of Israeli occupation, it cannot be truly defeated. a popular rebellion against foreign occupiers rarely loses in the end. if only they would fight their true enemies, the Israeli armed forces/jewish settlers in the occupied territories, instead blowing up innocent civilians in the Israel itself, i even have some respect for them.
by the by, there is no need to hate all muslims, and the ethnic groups they belong to, just because they want foreign influences to stop interfering in their countries. the US is acting like an Imperial power, exploiting the Islamic world for oil, and Israel's cruelty towards the Palestinians will prove to be the Jewish state's downfall.

CGW: As an American (although living abroad), I know some things about how dangerous our people can be when aroused. After 9/11 I was exceptionally proud of many of our young people who went to the military recruiters--although nobody attacked the mosque in the college town where I was then living. Had I been twenty or thirty years younger, I probably would've gotten myself in shape and signed up, too.

But, from the contacts I have had with Muslims in the past, I do wonder if the escalating civilizational war truly "had to be"--looking at things from the human angle; for I dare not claim to know those secret counsels of God that determine all things.

Kepha:

"for I dare not claim to know those secret counsels of God that determine all things."

Nor do I, but I can be pragmatic, look around at what has happened since Islam's inception, at what is happening now,and at what they say WILL happen, and draw some pretty obvious conclusions. God gave us those faculties for a reason. Of course I wish wholeheartedly that it weren't so ... yet reality is changed not a whit.

If you haven't read it yet, I recommend Ibn Warraq's "Leaving Islam - Apostates Speak Out". It's a real eye-opener.

Aaron:

Hamas is an organization that uses terrorist tactics, yes, but since its cause reflects the will of the Palestinian people to be free of Israeli occupation, it cannot be truly defeated.

You left out a small detail in your warm and fuzzy description of Hamas: The "occupation" Hamas seeks to end is that of the parcel of real estate we in the West call "Israel." Your brochures probably refer to it as the "Zionist Entity."

the US is acting like an Imperial power, exploiting the Islamic world for oil

Really? Who's money paid for all those palaces and private jets the leaders of the Islamic world enjoy?

Were it not for American and British exploration and engineering knowledge, most of the Islamic world's population would be living in tents and riding camels today.

lobo91

how do you think Hamas can be defeated? and i mean really defeated, not just suppressed temporarily.
it has undeniably committed atrocities against civilians, and yes its official goal is to destroy Israel entirely, but like i said, it is ultimately fighting for the freedom of the Palestinian people.
what brochures are you talking about? i'm not a muslim. i support the existence of the state of Israel, i just don't think their policies will be effective in the long run.

"Who's money paid for all those palaces and private jets the leaders of the Islamic world enjoy?"

isn't it obvious, even to you, that the LEADERS of the Islamic world, along with their business associates, are the only people in that region who don't live in poverty? that is a major part of why the poor arab masses hate America and resort to terrorism.

Aaron:

how do you think Hamas can be defeated? and i mean really defeated, not just suppressed temporarily.

I'm not sure that it can be, short of genocide.

yes its official goal is to destroy Israel entirely, but like i said, it is ultimately fighting for the freedom of the Palestinian people.

Wrong. The "official goal" of Hamas is EXACTLY the same as what it's ultimately fighting for, which is the elimination of what it refers to as the "Zionist Entity" (aka Israel) from what it considers to be Muslim lands.

If Israel withdrew to precisely its pre-1967 borders tomorrow, I guarantee you that there would be attacks launched against it from Palestinian territory within a week.

isn't it obvious, even to you, that the LEADERS of the Islamic world, along with their business associates, are the only people in that region who don't live in poverty?

Of course it's obvious to me. I've actually BEEN there.

that is a major part of why the poor arab masses hate America and resort to terrorism.

The "poor Arab masses" hate America because they have corrupt leaders in their countries?

That's a new one...

I'm sorry, but if you're still buying into the "poverty is the root cause of terrorism" schtick, you need to do a little research.

Here's a hint: bin Laden is a multi-millionaire. The 19 guys who hijacked those planes on 9/11 were middle class, educated Saudis (not dirt-poor, uneducated Palestinians). Quite a few of the suicide bombers who have struck against Israelis have been educated people, as well.

What do all these people have in common?

Aaron said:

"sheik yassin was a moderate"

If HE was a moderate, I would hate to see what a rabid fundamentalist of Islam would be... Oh yeah, that's right... there aren't any. They are all one and the same. ;-)

Hitler killed or caused to die through starvation , malnutrision ,and neglect , 6 Million Jews ...
The American Government killed or caused to die through starvation ,
malnutrision , and neglect , 6 Million Muslims (and Growing) .
In Iraq , 500 Thousand children have died each year since the sanctions have been enforced by the U.S. during the entire term of Clinton in office .
The Sanctions obviously did not effect Saddam , but were continued to be enforced reguardless of the millions of innocent causualties . In Bosnia , thousands and thousands of Muslims have been slaughtered and raped by the so-called Christian Serbs while the U.S. imposed a "no-fly zone" which prevented other countries for assisting the Muslims , Prevented the Muslims to
be armed , Prevented any action against the Christian Serbs for Many bloody years .
In Algeria , thousands and thousands of Muslims have been brutally killed by the Western Supported Secular government in massacres of Pregnant Muslim women and helpless children
while the World Leader in charge Neglected the victims or taking any actions against the criminals .

In Africa , millions have died in wars within the recent years with the Western supported puppet leaders encouraging and sponsoring the Wars .

In Israel , The U.S. government has armed and supported the Israeli government his entire term in office while forbidding the
Palestine people the constitutional right to bear arms . As a result , of America's bios double-standard actions in the 90's :

OYON QARA MASSACRE (RISHON LEZION): An Israeli
soldier lined up more than 20 Palestinian laborers and murdered seven of them with a sub-machine gun.

Thirteen more Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces in subsequent demonstrations to protest the massacre in various parts of the territories.

AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE: 8 October 1990, Israeli
police opened fire on worshipers in al-Aqsa Mosque killing 22
people.

THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE: 25 February 1994,
A Jewish terrorist, from Kiryat Arba' settlement massacred 61
(29 on the scene) worshipers inside the Ibrahimi Mosque in al-Khalil (Hebron) and wounded about 200. Later massive demonstrations took to the streets of Palestine and the Zionist army responded by life ammunitions killing 23 and wounding hundreds more. Reports indicate there were 3 Jewish settler gunners, not only one.

THE JABALIA MASSACRE: 28 March 1994, A Jewish
undercover police opened fire on Palestinian activists brutally killing 6 and injuring 49. Some of the wounded activists were taken out of their cars and shot in their heads to death.

ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE: 17 July 1994,
Palestinian sources reported that the occupation forces had committed Sunday morning a disgusting massacre against

Palestinian workers at Eretz Checkpoint. Eyewitnesses and Israeli sources reported that 11 Palestinians have been shot dead and 200 injured. U.S. bomb from a U.S. hellocopter piloted by a Jew kills a young Lebanese girl
In Kosavo , the so-called Christian Serbs are Still allowed to massacre the Muslims in that region .

And Just a short while ago , a Medicine factory was bombed By the U.S. which will cause thousands in the area to die from lack of nutrition . Not to mention the dozens Killed in the Bombing of Afganistan (without solid vidence or a fair trial)

Some may say the American Government is not responsible But we see how Quickly the U.S. jumps overseas when Iraq invades Kuwait or
other forgien situations . Bush has U.S. troops stationed world wide , Not assisting the Suffering and dyeing Muslims and Preventing others from Helping them .

Germany thought Hitler and his advisors were doing the right thing by being the cause of 6 Million Jews to die , Similarly the American public ignorantly thinks their government are doing the right thing . The American opinion poles are always in favor of the actions against the Muslms .

In conclusion, one must ask, if you were an Arab, how would you feel?

Christianity and Islam have been criticized in the past as religions spread by the sword.

Even though Jesus and Allah taught Peace and Tolerance, some misguided individuals have used religion as an excuse to commit violence upon others.

The Christian crusades and the Muslim jihads committed in the name of God have left a tarnish on both religions.

Today, we are in the midst of the deadliest religion of them all, Secularism. This religion is slashing it's swords, shooting it's bullets, and dropping it's bombs world wide to convert nations near and far into adherence.

This religion opposes all religions of the past, insisting on separating Synagogue, Church, and Mosque alike from their respective States. This religion's God is not called Yahweh, Jesus, or Allah, his name is "dollar".

Secularism hides behind other religions, disguising itself as Zionism, Democracy and Arab nationalism, yet eliminating the very core Faith and way of life that beautifies the Abrahamic religions.

Founded in 1858 by Charles Bradlaugh, a Sunday preacher turned atheist, it's fundamental beliefs are (The improvement of this life by material means [Capitalism]), and (Whether there be other good or not, the good of the present life is good, and it is good to seek that good" [English Secularism, 35]).

The often overlooked consequences of secularism is venereal diseases, legalized prostitution [Los Vegas, Navada], teenage pregnancies out of wed lock, suicide, alcoholism, and teenage rebellion [Columbine High School killings], all at their highest rates in the world's most secularist country.

Today's most infamous Secularist missionary is America, threatening and imposing death on nations world wide to either secularize or face their sword (sanctions, bombing campaigns, military coups).

Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890, American
forces have spread Secularism by force elsewhere around the globe 100 times. Indeed the United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other countries' territory 216 times.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of non-Secularist political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the Secularization strategy of the United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect Secular interests.

Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.

Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.

Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United States.

Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.

China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War.

Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.

Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto.

China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.

Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.

Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the United States still
maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.

Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.

Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.

Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne.

Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began.

Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.

Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution.

Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.

Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.

Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.

Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua.

Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's election.

Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto.

Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war.

China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.

Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.

Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's election.

Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.

Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.

Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.

Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.

Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists.

Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.

Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years.

Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate.

World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers.

Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings.

Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras' national elections.

Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike.

Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.

China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt.

Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a national election.

Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike.

China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China.

El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti.

World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.

Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane.

Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of military force.

Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections."

Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.

Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the Filipino Huk revolt.

Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce.

Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war.

Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.

Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh.

Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power.

Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.

Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.

Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.

Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.

Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government.

Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.

Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone.

Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.

Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a national election.

Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.

Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.

Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran.

Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war.

Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.

Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had been seized.

Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola.

Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.

El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.

Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas.

Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean.

Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.

Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government.

Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf.

Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.

Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.

Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.

Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.

Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples.

Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during coup.

Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.

Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war.

Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq.

Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein.

Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.

Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.

Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.

Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.

Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.

Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.

Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.

Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.

Iraq - NOW...

In conclusion, the Secularist's intolerance towards other belief systems and cultures have terrorized the entire world and left carnage and corruption from it's efforts to convert the world.