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More on Siddiqi, from WND. (Thanks to FreedomNowNews and Jeffrey Imm.)
WASHINGTON – The California imam who helped convert an al-Qaida suspect to Islam headed a Muslim activist group under investigation here for possible financial ties to terrorist front groups.Adam Gadahn allegedly traveled to Pakistan and Afghanistan to train at al-Qaida camps following his conversion while attending the Islamic Society of Orange County in Garden Grove, Calif., in the late 1990s. Siddiqi is head of the mosque there.
Congress is reviewing the financial records of the Islamic Society of North America, or ISNA, as part of a post-9-11 investigation into alleged ties between tax-exempt Muslim organizations and terrorist groups.
Siddiqi served as president of ISNA from 1996 to 2000. He still serves on its board. ISNA did not return phone calls to its Indianapolis headquarters.
Posted by Robert at May 30, 2004 7:54 AM
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A very good start...let's widen the probe to include the other Chapter Presidents of this organization. Continue by probing the other connected islamic groups they head in this country...CAIR, AMA, MSA, etc...
Posted by: jawa at May 30, 2004 9:14 AMI have learned a lot over the last few weeks from reading commentary on this website. I am wondering if some of the tactics being employed against us should not be turned around...this taqiyya for example. Perhaps some of us should "covert" to Islam...go to mosques...keep an eye on them...I guess I'd have a problem with the zakat...plus I have bad knees, and all that praying to the black box might wear them out...oh well, just a thought.
Posted by: kirk at May 30, 2004 11:06 AMInteresting post Kirk. I've been learning alot lately at this website as well. By the way, what do you mean by "zakat"?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike and Kirk:
More education for you. Btw, Zakat is a kind of tithe that all observant Muslims must pay to support and further their religion. Interestingly, the Sharia (Islamic Sacred Law) states that Zakat can be used to bribe people to convert to Islam or pay people to assist them to see things in the Islamic interest.
Here are some examples of Shariah law:
1. Offensive, military jihad against non-Muslims is a communal, religious obligation;
2. A person who is ignorant about Islamic legal opinion must follow the legal opinion of a scholar;
3. The penalty for a Muslim apostate (someone who no longer believes in or no longer follows the tenets of Islam) is death;
4. When slaughtering animals for food, a knife must be used to cut the windpipe and gullet;
5. A woman is only eligible to receive half the inheritance of a man;
6. Marriage may be forced on virgins by their father or father’s father;
7. A non-Arab man may not marry an Arab woman;
8. A woman must seek permission from her husband to leave the house;
9. A Muslim man cannot marry a woman who is a Zoroastrian, an idol worshipper, an apostate from Islam or a woman with one parent who is Jewish or Christian, with the other being Zoroastrian; a Muslim woman cannot marry anyone but a Muslim;
10. A free Muslim man may marry up to four women;
11. Retaliation is obligatory in most cases when someone is deliberately murdered except when a Muslim kills a non-Muslim, a Jew or a Christian kills a Muslim apostate or a father or mother kill their offspring;
12. Non-Muslim subjects (Ahl al-Dhimma) of a Muslim state are subject to a series of discriminatory laws – “dhimmitude”;
13. The penalty for fornication or sodomy is being stoned to death;
14. The penalty for an initial theft is amputation of the right hand. Subsequent thefts are penalized by further amputations of feet and hand;
15. A non-Muslim cannot testify against a Muslim in court; a person who is “without respectability” cannot give legal testimony; a woman’s legal testimony is only given half the legal weight of a man’s (and is only acceptable in cases involving property); to legally prove fornication or sodomy requires 4 male witnesses who actually saw the act;
16. The establishment and continuation of the Islamic Caliphate (by force, if necessary) is a communal obligation;
17. Sodomites and Lesbians must be killed;
18. Laughing too much is forbidden;
19. Musical instruments are unlawful;
20. Creating pictures of animate life is forbidden;
21. Female circumcision, which includes the excision of the clitoris, is obligatory;
22. Slavery is permitted;
23. People may be bribed to convert to Islam;
24. Beating a rebellious wife is permissible; and,
25. Lying is permissible in a time of war (or jihad).
Here is a link to Boston Indymedia where I have posted the actual legal clauses and references for the above Sharia examples. Have fun!
http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/21475
Also, you should check out:
http://www.answering-islam.org
http://www.secularislam.org
http://www.memri.org
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
Any questions you have, your fellow Jihadwatchers would be please to answer, believe me!
Zakat - That's their tax, I believe..you pay the mullah, and he redistributes to poor muslims and terrorist organizations of his choosing. I pay property, state, and federal already, so zakat is out of the question for me. Of course, if we have sharia, and you plan to stay christian or jew (gotta do some monotheistic religion or they have to kill you-so says allah) then you pay an even higher tax...other students of Islam correct me if I am wrong...this is called the dhimmi tax...I may not have all this quite right but others here seem quite well versed on the subject...That is the point of this website, to educate people on the true nature of Islam, the "peaceful religion".
As I have come to see it, Islam is a cult. From the time a muslim can think, they are called to prayer, five times a day, each day. And they are convinced that the quran is the word of god... and you don't have too read much of the quran to realize that it is a blueprint for war and subjugation of other ideologies and cultures. In its pure form, as I have come to learn, it is an oppressive, brutal, intolerant, cult at that...witness the pure Islam practiced by the taliban...these guys are not bad muslims. They are following the directions from allah that are written in the quran.
Posted by: kirk at May 30, 2004 3:16 PMThere, you see?
Posted by: kirk at May 30, 2004 3:17 PMMentat and Kirk, thank you very much for your insightful posts. This website is such a great place to learn about what we are truly up against. I still can't believe that there are people who want to spread this archaic "Sharia Law" throughout the world.
Mentat, I checked out some of the streaming videos at MEMRI.org and they are unbelievable. People need to find out what exactly they are preaching in western Mosques. If they are anything like what I saw translated in those videos, the West can't stand by complacent.
Did you see the other video with the lady interviewing the 3 year old girl? Talk about brainwashing innocent children!
Posted by: Mike at May 30, 2004 4:30 PMMike and Kirk:
The "dhimmi" tax, as you call it, is actually known as the Jizya. It is the non-Muslim poll tax as mandated by the following quotation from the Qur'an:
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden – who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book – until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled” (Koran 9:29)
Mike and Kirk:
One thing that continually has struck me in the years since 9/11, is how many ex-Muslims have been influenced and quote from one of the most famous essays on what human freedom really means ever written in the english language. And that essay is, of course, John Stuart Mill's "On Liberty". Very few people nowadays have read it but it is one of the most important summations of Western thinking on freedom of conscience ever written. It is heavy going for a modern reader but no more than the King James Bible. I heartily recommend it to you. Here is a link to a free copy of John Stuart Mill's famous essay "On Liberty":
Posted by: Mentat at May 30, 2004 5:31 PMThanks...now, if only we can get 1 billion Muslims to read it, too...unfortunately, we would have to start by teaching most of them to read.
Posted by: kirk at May 30, 2004 5:38 PMThanks again Mentat, great site!
Looking forward to reading this.
If you like to know about Islam, please go and learn Arabic language. This is the first step for you out of the ani-muslim propaganda to learn about true Islam. Our Arab borthers and sisters speak 3 languages more and less and try to communicate with any people with their own language. Honestly, how many of you know Arabic language? Not to mention reading Holy Koran in Arabic.
How many of you instead of surfing the websites that distribute nothing but hatred against Holy Islam, took the time to visit your local Holy Mosque and talk with your borthers their? Not judging anyone there before you have a little chat with them? Maybe they can help you to learn some basic Arabic and then you can read Holy Koran with yourelf on its original state. It also helps you to communicate with our Muslim brothers and sisters aways from the corrupted propaganda.
Mahmoud, Dude, got my translation of the Ku Klux Kooran at http://www.submission.org/
This website is supposedly set up by your fellow moosleems to improve the infidel's understanding of your evil cult.
I speak english..Hablo espanol,tambien...speak arabic? I'd rather eat a dead dog.
Posted by: kirk at May 30, 2004 6:55 PMMahmoud - I'm sure that it is inconceivable to you that most people in the United States have already chosen their own religion, and they don't want to make a change. Some might be looking to change and that is their right to do so.
It must be a shock to you to learn that Americans don't put up with people that shove religion down their throats as you are attempting to do.
Learning Arabic would be useful indeed so that we can compare what is said in Arabic to that which is said in English, as well as other useful information.
As for invitations. Please feel free to live with us in peace by assimilating into American culture as have all other immigrants.
Posted by: epg at May 30, 2004 6:56 PMMahmoud says:
"If you like to know about Islam, please go and learn Arabic language. This is the first step for you out of the ani-muslim propaganda to learn about true Islam. Our Arab borthers and sisters speak 3 languages more and less and try to communicate with any people with their own language. Honestly, how many of you know Arabic language? Not to mention reading Holy Koran in Arabic."
Quoting Robert Spencer, I say:
"Muslim controversialists often try to silence critics who quote uncomfortable passages from Islamic sources by maintaining that they can be truly understood only in Arabic. This claim, however, is palpably absurd. Muslims around the world preach Islam and attempt to make converts in languages other than Arabic. If the Qu'ran's message can be understood only in Arabic, why do they do this? Also, most Muslims in the world today are not native speakers of Arabic; the most populous Muslim country is Indonesia, hardly an Arab land. With ancient and populous Muslim communities existing outside the Arab world, from Bosnia to Iran and Pakistan to Indonesia, Muslims have always translated the Qur'an, if only for private spiritual edification."
p. xii, Onward Muslim Soldiers, by Robert Spencer
Mahmoud says:
"How many of you instead of surfing the websites that distribute nothing but hatred against Holy Islam, took the time to visit your local Holy Mosque and talk with your borthers their? Not judging anyone there before you have a little chat with them? Maybe they can help you to learn some basic Arabic and then you can read Holy Koran with yourelf on its original state. It also helps you to communicate with our Muslim brothers and sisters aways from the corrupted propaganda."
I say:
The first thing that I would caution you about is that Muslims lie constantly about their faith. So, to do as Mahmoud suggests, would be counterproductive. You would actually end up knowing less about Islam if you talked to Muslims. Also, I urge you to investigate this web page documenting the ideas of taqiyya and kitman:
http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp
On a personal note on this issue, when I was a teenager, I worked with a Muslim girl. I asked her many questions about Islam and I just accepted her answers at face value, as I could not imagine that anyone would deliberately lie about their faith. Only after 9/11, when I undertook a serious investigation of Islam and read the Qur'an myself for the first time, did I realize that she had deliberately lied to me about almost everything that I had asked.
As far as reading the Qur’an, please read the Qur’an. You can not understand Islam without reading it. When you read the Qur’an, the first thing that you will notice is that it is not chronological nor is it very well organized. It appears as if somebody had just been talking off the top of their head and it had been written down on palm leaves and camel bone shoulders and then collected later. Or as Carlyle says about the Qur’an, “A wearisome confused jumble, crude, incondite; endless iterations, long-windedness, entanglement; most crude incondite – insupportable stupidity, in short! Nothing but a sense of duty could carry any European through the Koran.” A good companion to read the Qur’an with is Ali Dashti’s 23 years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Muhammad or Ibn Warraq’s WhyI am not a Muslim. Also, most people do not realize that initially the Qur’an had numerous versions. According to Muslims, the Caliph Uthman (644-656) prepared a final codex and ordered all others destroyed. The previous version of events is also open to question. One of my sources (The Timelines of History) suggests that the Qur’an was not finalized until 935.
However, you also cannot understand Islam without reading the history of Islam, the hadith (collections of remembrances about what Muhammad
said and did while he was alive which are used as guides as to how to live and also as the basis for Islamic Sacred Law, Sharia), and studying the Sharia. Also, you must understand something about Tafsir (how to interpret the Qur’anic verses) and abrogation. Most people do not realize that most Muslims consider the peaceful verses that Muhammad recited at Mecca to have been abrogated by the aggressive, violent passages that he recited at Medina. I commend to you the following article by Daniel Pipes about reading the Qur’an:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1461
From www.danielpipes.org | Original article available at: www.danielpipes.org/article/1461
Study the Koran?
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
January 20, 2004
"Anyone concerned with what's happening in our world ought to spend some time reading the Koran." Andy Rooney, the famed CBS commentator, gave this advice shortly after 9/11, as did plenty of others.
His suggestion makes intuitive sense, given that the terrorists themselves say they are acting on the basis of the holy scripture of Islam. Accused 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta had a Koran (sometimes spelled Qur'an) in the suitcase he had checked for his flight. His five-page document of advice for fellow hijackers instructed them to pray, ask God for guidance, and "continue to recite the Koran." Osama bin Laden often quotes the Koran to motivate and convince followers.
Witnesses report that at least one of the suicide bombers who tried to assassinate Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, last month was reading the Koran before blowing himself up. Hamas suicide videotapes routinely feature the Koran.
And lots of non-Muslims in fact have been reading the Koran. In the weeks after September 11, the book's largest publisher in the United States reported that sales had quintupled; it had to airlift copies from Great Britain to meet the demand. American bookstores reported selling more Korans than Bibles.
All this, incidentally, was music to Islamist ears. Hossam Gabri of the Islamic Society of Boston, a group tied to a terrorism funder, considers non-Muslims trying to understand the Koran "a very good development."
But reading the Koran is precisely the wrong way to go about understanding "what's happening in our world." That's because the Koran is:
• Profound. One cannot pick it up and understand its meaning when nearly every sentence is the subject of annotations, commentaries, glosses, and superglosses. Such a document requires intensive study of its context, development, and rival interpretations. The U.S. Constitution offers a good analogy: its Second Amendment consists of a just 27 words ("A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed") but it is the subject of numerous book-length studies. No one coming fresh to this sentence has any idea of its implications.
• Complex and contradictory. Contradictions in the text have been studied and reconciled over the centuries through extensive scholarly study. Some verses have been abrogated and replaced by others with contrary meanings. For example, verse 9:5 commands Muslims not to slay pagans until the sacred months have passed and verse 9:36 tells Muslims to fight pagans during those same months. The casual reader has no idea which of these is operational. (In fact, the latter is.)
• Static: An unchanging holy scripture cannot account for change over time. If the Koran causes terrorism, then how does one explain the 1960s, when militant Islamic violence barely existed? The Koran was the same text then as now. More broadly, over a period of 14 centuries, Muslims have been inspired by the Koran to act in ways aggressive and passive, pious and not, tolerant and not. Logic demands that one look elsewhere than an immutable text to account for such shifts.
• Partial: Holy books have vast importance but do not create the immediate context of action. Reading the Bible in isolation gives limited insight into the range of Jewish and Christian experiences over the millennia; likewise, Muslims have read the Koran differently over time. The admonishment for female modesty meant one thing to Egyptian feminists in the 1920s and another to their descendants today. Then, head coverings represented oppression and exclusion from public life. Today, in the words of a British newspaper headline, "Veiled is beautiful." Then, the head-covering signaled a woman not being a full human being; now, in the words of an editor at a fashion magazine, the head-covering "tells you, you're a woman. … You have to be treated as an independent mind." Reading the Koran in isolation misses this unpredictable evolution. In brief, the Koran is not a history book.
A history book, however, is a history book. Instead of the Koran, I urge anyone wanting to study militant Islam and the violence it inspires to understand such phenomena as the Wahhabi movement, the Khomeini revolution, and Al-Qaeda. Muslim history, not Islamic theology, explains how we got here and hints at what might come next.
For responses to this article, see:
• Ali Sina, "Yes, study the Quran!" FaithFreedom.org, 21 January 2004.
• Irfan Khawaja, "Daniel Pipes Is Wrong ... People Should Read the Koran to Learn About Muslim Terrorism," History News Network, 8 March 2004
From www.danielpipes.org | Original article available at: www.danielpipes.org/article/1461
Mahmoud-
since you are our resident muslim advisor, I have some questions I'd like you to answer...these may be more about Arab culture...but maybe you can guide a poor, ignorant infidel (who has 3 college degrees) anyway:
A long time ago I read a book called the Haj, by Leon Uris...I was horrified by his description of Arab behaviour and customs...for example, to curtail their masculine impulses, young men are encouraged to, uh, partake of their little brother, so to speak...and rape is commonly visited upon the female members of rival Arab chieftains, in disuputes...and lastly, but not leastly, the oldest Arab male retains the breast until he is 5 years old or older...is this true? come on now, no little muslim fibs...give me the lo-down...inquiring infidel minds want to know...
Posted by: kirk at May 30, 2004 8:30 PMMentat, Kirk, Mahmoud: Thanks for your posts. But, (a) I take Leon Uris on the Arabs with a great big grain of salt; (b) I do not doubt that some Muslims want to and do get along with non-Muslim neigbors in a largely non-Muslim environment; (c) a lot of cultures suckle children well past the toddler stage (one reason Westerner stopped it was because of good diet from other sources).
I also suspect that some Muslims who post here do so because they, too, don't want to see all-out inter-civilizational war.
Also, as someone who has studied Chinese and Thai, and still has a good command of the former, I wouldn't mind learning Arabic--if I could be sure that I could spend some time in an Arabic-speaking country and not be targeted as a Christian with an American passport.
By the way, Mahmoud, how good is Yusuf Ali's translation of the Qu'ran? That's the ENglish Qu'ran I read.
I would also, however, urge Muslims to read the Old and New Testaments in order to understand where we Christians are coming from.
Posted by: Kepha at May 30, 2004 9:30 PMCaptain Kirk
Since i spend most of my day praying and reading Holy Koran, there are not so much other books in my wish list.
But I also remeber the books i read before about the horrific acts of genocieds by white christians in native american continet which i brought up some days ago here and i was condemn by anyone that why i woke up the lost souls of innocent indians who were killed systematically.
At least IF you think they didn't deserve it of course. And not IF you tell me "well let's forget it dude, the times is changed...." without actually atone something real.
But I think Sister Dina and Muslims like her can answer most of your questions. Just answer politely.
Posted by: Mahmoud at May 30, 2004 10:57 PM
Mr. Kepha
Nothing is better with Almighty Allah (swt) than reading Holy Koran in Arabic language. No any other language can perfectly describe Allah's words (swt) except his own words, in Arabic.
Staying home and practising Arabic with peacefull Muslim brothers and sisters is also better than walk around as a christian in a Muslim country without knowing the cultural values of those people and their languages which unfortunately brings nothing but misunderstandings.
In that case, Mahmoud, I suggest YOU read the Bible in the original Greek. All of it. Otherwise you can't claim to understand Any of it.
By the way, the times Did change. The only place we have seen Genocide anywhere in the last 100 years has either been by communists, fascists and muslims.
Posted by: Gary at May 31, 2004 8:22 AMWell, I know how long it took me before I could read Kong Zi and Tang poetry in Taiwan. In the meantime, while I am still unable to read Arabic, tell me how good a translation Yusuf Ali is. For instance, I can say the King James Bible is a very good translation; the New International Version so-so; etc.(since I suspect you do not read Hebrew and Greek, while you do have a good command of English--and I am in no position to judge the Arabic translations.
Also, I cannot in good conscience join prayers to a supposed God who did not become incarnate and dwell among us.
Posted by: Kepha at May 31, 2004 9:14 AMJawa:
Of course you can use my post on the Sharia. All I ask is that, if you use quotations that I have lifted from the Umdat al-Salik, that you reference those quotations so that people will know where they came from and because it is only right, just and legal to reference quotations. Furthermore, I want those legal clauses referenced so as to encourage everyone in the whole world buy a copy of the Sharia and read it for themselves. You really cannot understand Islam without knowing the Sharia law.
Posted by: Mentat at May 31, 2004 9:49 AMMahmoud:
"Since i spend most of my day praying and reading Holy Koran, there are not so much other books in my wish list."
THAT explains a lot!
Mahmoud:
"Since i spend most of my day praying and reading Holy Koran, there are not so much other books in my wish list."
Seems to me you are spending most of your day reading and posting at Jihad Watch. Remember, associating with infidels in any way will just draw you further into our web, no matter how you try to resist ... I can see it happening already.
decency
this is why you have to, have your wommen covered you have no self control how sad! And yes Mohommad thinks he walks amoung the spanish and they do not see him but he is wrong. If you are of peace as you say then you have to prove your self.
We the American Tribe see you and we will do what our Grandparents did! We will forgive ourself's! We are giving you the chance to save yourself's and live in peace with the rest of the world and stop your killing in 5:32 in your book you are killing all mankind!! The Usa and Freinds are saving Mankind. Will you be able to be saved??? So far it aint looking to good for you???
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
Remember in WW2 America lost 400,000 but the World lost 50,000,000 We are our Grandparents children!!!
Kirk wrote: "I have learned a lot over the last few weeks from reading commentary on this website. I am wondering if some of the tactics being employed against us should not be turned around...this taqiyya for example. Perhaps some of us should "covert" to Islam...go to mosques...keep an eye on them...I guess I'd have a problem with the zakat...plus I have bad knees, and all that praying to the black box might wear them out...oh well, just a thought."
Kirk, I like the way you think man... I like the way you think. I'm already on it!
Opviews:
Please post the above on other, more current threads. You've hit the proverbial nail right on the head ...
Posted by: CGW at May 31, 2004 1:41 PMWith apologies to Rodgers and Hammerstein.
Please sing this to the Sound of Music tune, "How do you solve a problem like Maria".
He gets Zakat for free and buys an RPG
He hasn’t much upstairs
He murders on his way to Mosque
And kills infidels everywhere
And underneath his turban
He has C4 in his hair
I even heard him say we all should die
He always runs from US soldiers
But his cowardice is real
He always runs from US everything
Except to murder, rape and steal
I hate to have to say it
But I very firmly feel
Osama’s not an asset to the Umma
I’d like to say a word in his behalf
Osama makes me laugh
How do you solve a problem like Osama?
How do you catch a rifle round and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Osama?
A megalomaniac. A fascist. A clown!
Many a thing you know you’d like to tell him.
Many a thing he ought to understand.
But how do make him stay
And listen to all you say
How do you find a nut in Afghanistan?
Oh, how do you solve a problem like Osama?
How do you hold a moonbat in your hand?
When I’m with him I’m confused
Out of focus and bemused
And I never know exactly where I am
Unpredictable as weather
He’s as flighty as a feather
He’s an a**hole! He is Satan. He’s in a jam.
He’d outpester any pest
Drive a hornet from its nest
He is a whirling dervish out of whirl
He is mental! He’s reviled.
He’s a nutcase. He’s a jinn.
He’s a turd!
How do you solve a problem like Osama?
How do you catch a rifle round and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Osama?
A megalomaniac. A fascist. A clown!
Many a thing you know you’d like to tell him.
Many a thing he ought to understand.
But how do you make him stay
And listen to all you say
How do you find a nut in Afghanistan?
Oh, how do you solve a problem like Osama?
How do you hold a moonbat in your hand?
Written by Mentat
Please feel free to distribute it as widely as possible.
Infiltrator -
I am piecing together a puzzle...The teachings of the Quran enabled the Arabs to enjoy the conquests that they did...but it failed to give that culture the ability to create anything new, or evolve. As a result, unified leadership of the Arab/Islamic world fell apart. It met its match in the west at the hands of (omigosh) a frenchman, of all things, named Charles Martel, or the Hammer. By all accounts, he may have been the last frenchmen ever to stand and fight for something worthwhile, anyway, I digress..
Basically the Quran did not enable the Arabs to prevent the west from extending its influences into the eastern world. The Arab/Islamic kingdom fell apart, due to advances by the west and from infighting and a general lack of unity in the Islamic world (witness sunni vs shia, turk versus kurd, etc..(not unlike the west, really)
Anyway, while quran enabled, it also limited; the Arab/Islamic world would still look exactly like the 7th century if not for the western influence (good and bad-and that is a huge can of worms)
But you have got to give it to old Mo'; he married religion with a strategy for conquest and subjugation. And while there are some good parts of the Quran, if you don't want to follow that route, the rest of it will create a living environment that pretty much sucks, to say the least...
Finally, there are parts of it that are just brilliant...the taqiyya, for example...so why not fight fire with fire?
There is no god but allah, and mohammed is his profit. There, I am now a Muslim. I will get me a little hat, a robe, some sandals, and go hang out at a mosque once in a while. And, I hereby recant: I will even learn Arabic.
Then I will go corrupt my new Muslims brothers and sisters by repeatedly tempting them with all those western vices and freedoms that the hardcore Islamists hate so much.
This sort of "corruption" may be all that can save a lot of people who have gone astray, and who have swallowed like starving catfish the opportunistic teachings of an incredibly clever but power hungry 7th century camel jockey.
Posted by: kirk at May 31, 2004 2:07 PMInfiltrator and kirk:
Without knowing how serious you are, I might remind you of the following: to them, saying those words DOES make you a Muslim forever and the penalty for leaving Islam is death. Since infiltrating will be hard to do anonymously, attempting what you suggest actually places you in a position of incurring grave bodily harm. Although the perpetrators would probably be caught and punished in the U.S., you would not be any the less dead.
Posted by: CGW at May 31, 2004 2:18 PMCGW,
Noted. But I'm convinced that one of our biggest disadvantages at the present time is that THEY have successfully infiltrated OUR culture, but we have not successfully infiltrated THEIRS. In large part, 21st century counter-terrorism is going to be an intelligence game, not a conventional military one.
Besides I'm already there.
Posted by: Infiltrator at May 31, 2004 2:37 PMMaybe I really am a Muslim...isn't taqiyya great!
Posted by: kirk at May 31, 2004 2:40 PMIf you want to know who they are? Were a star of David this will bring them in the open. They can not cover their hate in their eyes!!! There is a-nother way go to a mosque and take pictures of their car tags a guy did this in TX and it is okay with the Laws of the USA. They have no privicy once they leave their houses!!! Sit out side their bussiness and take pictures of those who they do bussiness with once again the law says it is okay!
Remember a gun in hand is better than 2 cops on the phone!
Proof Saudi A. If those Christians had guns they all would not be dead!!!
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and all who fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
If you want to know who they are? Were a star of David this will bring them in the open. They can not cover their hate in their eyes!!! There is a-nother way go to a mosque and take pictures of their car tags a guy did this in TX and it is okay with the Laws of the USA. They have no privicy once they leave their houses!!! Sit out side their bussiness and take pictures of those who they do bussiness with once again the law says it is okay!
Remember a gun in hand is better than 2 cops on the phone!
Proof Saudi A. If those Christians had guns they all would not be dead!!!
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and all who fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
god smack america. smack her like a bitch.
OH YAH!!!


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