I don’t see anybody pointing towards right direction. We must see the reason for what is going on in the world today, when it started and how it started. If one goes back in history and sees the creation of Jewish state (I always call it Palestine) it all started with its creation and off course it will finish with the end of it. What so ever US does it is not going to stop violence because of these Jew evils. The peace loving people has to wait until this evil is removed from the world.

Read the paper how Jew terrorists are killing innocent Palestinians. I think the US should join with Muslims to get rid of this evil if we want peace for our coming generations.

Innocent and weapon less Palestinians are putting up a brave fight that world has never seen and believe me it is not far that world will be thankful to Muslims for getting rid of Jews. These guys don’t believe in peace where ever they have gone they were kicked out from there, I appreciate that because they don’t deserve life, if you ask me nuke them Pakistan has sufficient nuke missiles that will burn their assess.

I don’t use such language normally but I had to here.

"Moderate Muslim" clerics to Thailand. I wonder what is the definition of a "Moderate Muslim." Do they read a different Koran and hadiths? Do they disbelieve the passages of the Koran that call for violence? Will they stop calling non-Muslims kuffars and infidels? Will they turn in violent jihadists for the safety of all society and all of the world? Will they forsake the concept of the overtaking the entire world for Islam and creating a Muslim state in which all non-Muslims are either dhimnis or destroyed?
For some reason, I don't believe that any Muslim will do any of these things. Thus, moderation is not possible and Thailand is welcoming vipers.

Peacehater,

Stop spamming the board with your murderous jew hatred. Aren't you late for a hamas meeting somewhere?

yabba dabba akbar!

PEACELOVER:

You need a serious dose of pre-Israel islamic history. Do you really believe that the Thailand's muslim problem would go away with the destruction of Israel? Or Russia's promlem in Chechnya? Or India's problem in Kashmir? Or the Sudan's problem in Darfur? Or the the Philippines problem in Basilan? Or the United States problem with al-Qaeda?

Have you been brainwashed or are you just ignorant?

Peacelover...

You are a shame to Humankind...

well in malaysia you get to hear the muslim call to prayer or azan five times a day every day PLUS churches bell every sunday PLUS hindu temples gongs every sunrise and dusk every day PLUS smell incense coming out of chinese taoist temples every day for three months of every year (june to ausust)

i know this because i am in malaysia right now and there are these four places of worship situated within 1 mile radius from my house.

hows that for religious tolerance?

geekpunk - And which one of these "tolerant" religions is committing ethnic cleansing of the others and blowing up their religious shrines? I bet it's not the Christians, Buddhits, or Taoists that you have mentioned. Don't you read the papers. Muslims have been murdering and driving out Christians from many places in Malaysia. The violence just hasn't arrived to your location as of yet. (Yes, I do hear about this from people that are actually there.)

Malaysia teaches Islamic History and Religion in the schools; if non-Muslims want non-Muslim religious education, they pay for it.

Also, the Chinese/Malay-Chinese pay extra taxes, higher interest, purely on racial grounds to the government that similar income Malay Muslims don't. Sorry "geekpunk". Punk you may be, but not geek.

epg-"Muslims have been murdering and driving out Christians from many places in Malaysia"

huh?where? this is news to me since i live right smack in the middle of a chinese albeit buddhist or taoist majority area right now. none of my friends and co-workers whether Catholic, Anglican,methodist or whatever are leaving . you got the wrong region there,dude.

Van- i am not saying everything is perfect. I myself favor separation of
church/mosque/buddha/siva and state plus affirmative action programs based on class and not race.

extra taxes for non-muslims?. i thought you pay higher taxes if your take home paid salary and savings is higher similar to the rest of the world regardless of whether you are a white, brown,black or yellow.

racial prejudice is a problem,though.here they have stupidity such as "HELP WANTED:Chinese only" or "HOUSING LOAN: 7% discount for Malay-Muslim".

Possibly "geekpunk" is unacquainted with the disguised tax, or jizya, known as "Bumiputra." The word means "sons of the land," but it is not the indigenous, mainly Christian tribes, that benefit from the "Bumiputra" policy, but Malay Muslims alone. Whenever a non-Malay Muslim, a Chinese (whether Buddhist, Confucian, Christian, or unbeliever) or Hindu (or Sikh, or any other Indian religion), or indeed any non-Malay Muslim, opens a store, or an architecture office, or any other sort of undertaking, he must take as a partner, and pay equally, a Malay Muslim. It is essentially a tribute-tax paid to Muslims by non-Muslims.

Anyone living in Malaysia who is unaware of the "Bumiputra" system has not yet sunk beneath the surface of Malaysian life.

"Geekpunk" should look into this a bit more closely. And so should the rest of us -- for if Malaysia, that supposedly "advanced" and "tolerant" Muslim state, brimful of Western computer companies having their components made, or put together there, imposes a disguised tax on non-Muslims, and if the best it can do by way of "moderate" Muslim is Mohammad Matathir and his sinister and quite revealing rant about how he wants Islam to be more "progressive,"
and to modernize -- not in order for Muslims to participate in studying the structure of DNA, or the nature of the universe, but rather to be able to build weaponry equal or better than that of the Infidels (this was crystal clear from his speech, and from the sickening applause that greeted it).

Malaysia is likely to suffer economically, however, as China -- Infidel China -- offers a much better place for those Western businessmen who are currently in Malaysia, but may find that they no longer wish to fund, however indirectly, Muslim economies and Muslim peoples. This may be unstated, but it is a feeling that Muslim states should factor into their planning. They can enthusaistically endorse the Saudi-funded mosques or act to close them down; they can express Muslim solidarity, or they can break with that solidarity; they can continue to ignore the non-Muslim part of their own nation's history, or to recognize and honor it; it's their choice.

And it is our choice, the choice of the Infidels, whether to invest in that country (there is nothing like Muslim violence to discourage investment, tourism, trade, as the Arab states are finding out -- other than oil, there is no major economic activity with them, and what there is will be severely curtailed, including that easy money-maker, mass tourism), or whether to take our business to India, or to China. Sorry, Malaysia, for a while we indulged you. But unless you end the Bumiputra system, unless you cut your ties to the Arabs and especially the Saudis, we're afraid the business of Infidels more and more will have to go elsewhere. Nothing personal; it's just that our executives feel a bit uneasy in your country. All that kidnapping, and those bloody videos, and so on.

But keep on tapping those rubber-trees, and supplying those spices. and supplying the wood for the trade in those Penang lawyers that S. J. Perelman used to mention. That should keep your economy afloat.

To geekpunk
Please answer me this.
Does the Malaysian government allow muslim to convert to other religion?
Btw, geepunk I know an ethnic malay doctor who's almost beaten to death by the authority just because he publicly announce his convertion. How's that for the Religious Tolerance?
"The truth will set you free"

herman

Is that a quote from the Matrix? How inappropriate.

rhettetye,
i actually quoted from the Holy Bible. The Gospel of John to be precise.
GBU

I wish these moderates success but expect none.

Malaysia wants to send imams to help defuse trouble in southern Thailand? Maybe there is hope. Stress on the "maybe". Thailand and Malaysia long ago decided that they liked a peaceful border (it facilitated the defeat of Communist insurgents), and made it a point to accommodate the Muslim Malays in southern Thailand and the handful of Buddhist ethnic Thai in the northernmost states of W. Malaysia (the area was tributary to the Buddhist Chakkri kings in Bangkok before the Brits moved in).

Still, I'd really like to know what the Malaysian Imams plan to preach. I frankly don't trust the mainstream Western press to report it.

I'm listening closely to geekpunk, frankly. I've heard non-Muslim Malaysians (Chinese, Kadazan, Tamil)wax both bullish and bearish on the land of their birth, and have known a number of Muslim Malaysians who bitterly denounced attacks on non-Muslim countrymen, greatly appreciated American Cold War Anticommunism, and want their mutliracialism to work.

If such people do gymnastics with their religion to think that way, well, that's their business.