And Mecca shall be glass...

Posted by: Bob Owens at July 15, 2004 11:48 AM

my sentiments exactly, Bob Owens.

parrots what that one fireman said a while ago. the same guy who told the crowd at that concert for the 9/11 families that Osama (ftuy) can kiss my a$$...he said recently that we shouldn't mess with a lousy looking mess that they're planning to build at ground zero....rebuild the thing exactly as it was and announce that mecca will stand as long as these buildings stand. i loved the guy's moxie....no wordsmith could have put it better than that....

Posted by: drisnya at July 15, 2004 12:04 PM

Oh, my god.... what a bunch of MORONs...
i suggest we give them their own planet.
(the moon?) seriously....just goes to show again and again the damage the ignorance and religion can cause impressionable young minds.
if these people wanna die and go to heaven or what ever that's fine. but when you send little kids to blow themselves up all i see is some old man manipulating the young for some kind of psychic / ego kick.
israel and palenstine have NOTHING do with iraq
afghanastan in the american mind (in general) and observing the stupidity over and over again is so incrediably frustrating, the selfishness, the dishonesty
and the out and out POINTLESSNESS of it all just makes me shake me head..... stupid stupid stupid....
stupid is as stupid does. this kind of ignorance is just as evil and dumb as the red neck in his ford pick up truck beating up the homeless or gay or whatever.. *sigh*
just makes me sick with pity for the poor dumb bastards.

Posted by: soniktrooth at July 15, 2004 12:28 PM

Does anybody really think that even the scale of a nuclear attack within the borders of the U.S. will wake people to the threat of islam? How many people must die before government starts putting national security ahead of political correctness? What must be the cost of innocent lives to get government to secure the borders and expose islam as the dangerous ideology it is?

Only when islam is viewed in the same category as nazism by the media, government, and uninformed public, will we be on the right track. The two ideologies share much in common in how they use propaganda and thought control, view outsiders, their world destiny, and even having maniacal cult-of-personality founders! Yet, the actions of islam are consistently excused, its rhetoric watered down, and its agenda ignored. 'Moderate' muslims are about as numerous and powerful as 'moderate' nazis were in wartime Germany.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE JIHAD!

Posted by: Belisarius at July 15, 2004 1:28 PM

Don't worry, it won't take a nuke attack to get the American people on the offensive, any future attacks will provoke a response that will cause a constitutional crisis few anticipate. The next attacks: the government will be put in the awkward position of defending muslims in their communities as the american people revolt at their continuing presence in the US. It will bring the government down. The constitutionalists will ascend on the premise of creating an order that provides life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. No state can survive when its current legislative statutes force it into the absurd position of defending its enemies.

Posted by: newtopia at July 15, 2004 1:40 PM

Correction Belisarius,
Islam is more of a threat than nazism, at least europe and america clicked on to what a massive threat to the world it was before it spread all the way across Russia , Asia , and Africa and were in the process of combating it at that stage.

Islam is already out of control, spread across 2 continents like an epidemic, at war with almost every religion and culture on the planet, with a billion followers. And still the media sides up with it in undermining the governments every move to fight it, thus causing the gullible , the left and combinations of the two to believe in a pathetically PC fashion that islam is a religion of peace and does not pose a threat to us. It's pathetic.

Posted by: Rikki at July 15, 2004 1:40 PM

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Hope that helps.

Posted by: paula at July 15, 2004 2:07 PM

A repeat ---Sorry but it has to be said again

Toro

Blind allegiance to Islam is at best a simpleton’s approach to understanding complex issues that govern all human behavior.

It is a black hole that sucks in the stupid and brooks no questioning despite its hypocrisy, blatant lies and errors. It is banal in its thoughts, hateful and small-minded in its approach and terrifying in its position – a truly detestable affront to all mankind.

The cult of Islam was founded by the debased, proliferated by the wicked, preached by the hateful and spread by the sword.

Imagine if Charles Manson became venerated as a prophet and his cult gained a following. Imagine if a book by Charlie himself was hailed as unassailable.

Well Mohamed was worse than old Charles – far worse. Moe was a murderer, liar, pirate, thief, and pedophile.

Mohammed’s fiction, the Koran, lacks a moral centre, preaches militant hate of and death to the infidel, brooks no tolerance for peace and has no HONOR. It reflects nothing more than the cult of the assassin. Anything is justifiable if the end is for mighty Allah.

The Koran as the word of God – don’t make me laugh!

Forget the golden rule, Allah knows better. “Simpletons of the world unite” trust Allah and Moe and everything will be great. For Allah’s sake please do not operate your brain while practicing Islam.

I see no hope for reconciliation with a group that rejects the political, social and moral impact of women, music, art, theatre, peace and the very spirit and sanctity of life.

Destruction is all this simple-minded and ignorant cult know about the world. And they are very, very good at it - after all they have been doing it for more than 1,000 years.

So where does that leaves us? Can Islam in any form by its very essence (under the Koran) be anything but the enemy?

I refuse to believe that we will ever see a moderate voice of Islam in the world. Islam demands blind allegiance and is tolerant of no other religion – to be a good Muslim you must embrace the Koran, you must embrace the hate, you must kill the infidel or support spiritually or financially those that do. Muslims first anything else a distant distant second. A religion of peace not a chance – a cult of death – absolutely.

Let’s all wake up and excise this cancer and let’s not kid ourselves by saying that it is a religion of peace – it is nothing of the sort.

Anyone who believe these fools will make the moral decision not to nuke the west raise their hands.

Posted by: Toro at July 15, 2004 2:34 PM

I'm quite certain that the American public would be filled with rage were there a coordinated nuclear attack carried out within the U.S. borders. However, most people have been so misinformed about the true nature of islam and brainwashed with the virtues of 'multi-culturalism' that their rage would not be focused.

The America that fought the nazis of WWII is much different than the America of today. The nation had a sense of itself then and was not weakened by the inquisition of political correctness. No, the first nuke that goes off the president will vow action against those responsible and in the same breath beseech the nation to protect those same people - muslims.

Besides, American leaders have shown that they only care about public opinion whilst they're running for office and serve other interests once they're elected. Why would that change with 100,000 deaths when it didn't change with 4,000? The American public overwhelming supports tightened borders and strict immigration control yet the government proposes measures that encourage more illegal immigration and soft laws for the muslims to exploit!

Posted by: Belisarius at July 15, 2004 2:49 PM

I've called the Feds in Washington and now I'm talking to the FBI as I type this.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 15, 2004 2:53 PM

Islam is a third-world disease that should be confronted fearlessly. If Mohammed were alive today, he would be classed together with Osama and we would be pursuing him with equal urgency.

Posted by: theunbeliever at July 15, 2004 3:02 PM

it's like a vile and nasy wind laced with the stench of death

Posted by: theunbeliever at July 15, 2004 3:06 PM

Does anyone know how the Arabic is being disseminated to this URL http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/Weapons%20of%20Mass%20Destruction.htm (????)

It reads like it is being done automatically by some kind of sniffer/translation program. If so that's fantastic. I only wish I had such software myself.

Anyone have any details? I'm waiting for responses from two separate Federal angencies right now by phone. I felt the wording I'm seeing in the chatter merited a serious look.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 15, 2004 3:20 PM

I may be one of those people you speak of Belisarius. Maybe I don’t truly comprehend the working mind of the typical Muslim. But am I wrong in assuming that comparing them to the Nazi’s of old seems a little paranoid.

There are a few similarities, they both were a small faction that grew big out oppressed areas and scared people, but today, we know (to a point) what their plan is. The Nazi’s didn’t publicize themselves to the outside world like the Muslims of today. With the use of today’s Internet we, as common people can keep tabs on factions as small as the Koresh (spelling) cult in Texas. This is not something that the common man of today will be caught with their paints down. We know who they are, where they are, and what (to a point) they are about. I just don’t see me having to be constantly vigilant of what my neighbor is doing…but be aware. Always be aware in today’s society.

I do see a need to beef up security on the borders. Hell that’s how they cam into the U.S. in the first place. But they were not Iraq, they were somebody else. So why the big all out war on Iraq when it was Osama and the talaban who did the deed in New York. We have factions here in N.C. who would like nothing more than to blow up France. Are we harboring terrorist? Why is one terrorist accepted as apposed to another? Why is Bush an ok guy for going after Iraq for harboring terrorists but not criticized for not going after Saudi Arabia?

Like I said, I’m new here but these are the questions that I hear out in my daily life. what do I say to them? I thought you people would be the ones to ask. I really want to know what you think.

Posted by: pauly at July 15, 2004 3:23 PM

Look, right now can we cut the "why isn't the USA the bad guy crap" and worry about the Islamists here in the USA that seem to actually have WMDs on American soil from the chatter I've seen since 6 AM on the web today.

This is not the time to be worrying about who wants to blow up France.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 15, 2004 3:28 PM

I'm going to let the big guns answer that, of course :P However, somewhere back in the archives are pictures of some of the Islamic leadership (immams) who got this going about 60-odd years ago... shaking hands with Hitler.

Hitler modeled some of his thinking on theirs.

Posted by: Gary at July 15, 2004 3:28 PM

Ah, it would have been prudent of me to go to the homepage of that site first. My error: it seems that the information is already monitored by the Feds, but I'm still going to voice my concern over the information in the new book that came out loud and clear when I finally get a voice to voice.

I'd still like to know what is being used to translate the Arabic.

This whole situation is really beyond the ugly stage. We need to wake the hell up and start taking care of business.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 15, 2004 3:37 PM

This is truly horrifying, but it is the norm from arabic islamic sites. I read and speak arabic, and I hear what is said in Geneva now. During these months until late September most arabs who can afford it come to Geneva for the summer. They go out to clubs and discos, cabarets, and other places of diversion. They drink alcohol and they speak, and the primary conversation is the next attack against US & UK. Now, it may be being fed by wishes, false images implanted by islamic fanatics, or it may be true. The reality is that this is growing and growing into a feverish intensity. If it is to happen it will not occur before October. If it does NOT happen, I hope it does not, then the level of disenchantment in the muslim world will be at dangerous levels.

I have spoken to some US tourist that arrived from Paris, and they say that the muslims were actively engaging them in arguments about US offenses, and that some even stated that the US will dearly pay a heavy price soon.

The non-muslim world must close ranks and start to engage this disease now. If, hope not, another attack occurs, similar and worse fate will befall the muslims. Period. No discussion - No debate.

Posted by: oikonomakis at July 15, 2004 3:47 PM

Gary,

Those picture you mention are of the mufti of Jerusalem with Hitler. He visited Hitler more than any other leader. It was he who said of the Jews, “that if the Palestinians come we will kill them all, drive them into the sea”. It was the mufti who also sent “volunteers” into the Balkans to annihilate the the Serbs.

Posted by: oikonomakis at July 15, 2004 3:55 PM

Having been in the military during the final phase of the cold war, you have to understand that it was the most dangerous period. Yet, you could at least rely on the Russians to act rationally - even if they were hammered most of time. But this bunch of loonies, if you want to base a well thought out measure on whether any group would actually carry out a nuclear attack, go to policyreview.org and read Lee Harris's article last year, "Al Qaeda's Fantasy Ideology". His evaluation of the trade center attacks as an pep rally for jihad rather than a explicit attempt to generate terror would seem accurate. A nuke going off would be the homecoming dance. Like all fantasists, they miscalculate the scale of response that will follow. Unfortunately, what the policy makers have failed to communicate how the US will respond to such an action. This failure will be amplified by the entrenched elites on the left who run the majority of institutions in the US. Count on it, they will use that power to resist the demand for massive retaliation by the citizenry, how tragic, like I stated earlier at that juncture the notion of consensual goverment will appear to be in question. Now, no rational person spends any length of time fetishizing over such scenarios, but until they start speaking the unspeakable this gap is as the french say "le soldure" that the terrorist will pass through. They are operating under the belief of being shielded by the current internationalist system, where no state can legally be implicated as sponsors of such an action - once the bomb goes of so to speak there won't be any more legal wrangling. For starters, the bakaa valley will be the new petrified forest that glows in the dark.

Posted by: newtopia at July 15, 2004 4:32 PM

PAULY:

To understand what's going on in the muslim mind, one must only look at what they espouse themselves. To be a muslim (follower of islam) is to submit to the will of allah, to accept the word of allah (the koran) as transmitted through his 'prophet' muhammad. Sounds benign, until you look at what the koran teaches and see how islam far exceeds the spiritual realm of traditional religions. Much more than a faith, it is a political ideology that is fervently fueled with a 'divine' mandate.

For most non-muslims, religion is a part of their lives. For muslims, their lives are a part of their religion. You see, islam is far more than spirituality for muslims. It is rulebook for life, based on the koran and the hadith (actions of muhammad) that trumps all other things, including 'man-made' government. Separation of church and state is rejected by islam. Church is state. Representive government is rejected by islam. Who can participate in the will of allah? Free will is rejected by islam. Islam has all the answers: what to eat, what to wear, when to pray, and a myriad of countless other rules for every aspect of life including the relationship of muslims with non-muslims.

At its core, islam sees everything in black and white. The entire world is divided between believers and non-believers - the land of islam and the land of war. The first duty of all muslims is to islam. Islam must be spread until the land of war has been replaced by the land of islam. Spread by the sword, when possible, or by more subtle means of disinformation to calm, lure and convert infidels (like taqiyya & kitman).

The infidel, therefore, must always be on guard when dealing with muslims. Knowing that muslims put religion before allegiance to any state, how do you feel about the security of your home, and way of life, with a new mosque opening next door? What will it be like when the population of muslims in your neighborhood increases? One need only look at the muslim dominant areas of European cities to find out. Streets where Christians are insulted and Jews attacked. Hamtramck, Michigan isn’t far behind.

I work with a couple of muslim colleagues, shias to be specific. I used to think they were moderate, and genuine in respecting my beliefs and the culture of their adoptive home. Yet, once I asked them what they thought about the sunnis. They ranted about the 'heretics' and that the shia's were the 'true believers' and all sunnis would find damnation for not accepting the truth of islam. The natural question is: if they feel that way about other muslims, what do they really think about the infidels?

Some say that a small minority of fundamentalists are the only ones who adhere to the mandate of jihad and the 'kill the infidels where you find them' teachings. On what do they base that? The massive outcry by muslims every time atrocities are committed in their name? The world is still waiting for these 'moderate' muslims to step up and clean every mosque from Morocco to Indonesia of the hate spewing fundamentalist 'minority'. Truth is, it's the 'moderates' that are the minority.

So, a paranoid assumption to compare islam to nazism? Hardly. In fact, islam is a far greater and enduring threat than nazism was. Educate yourself and you won't be shocked when the jihad comes to your door.

Posted by: Belisarius at July 15, 2004 4:48 PM

Hey everybody, shall we look at the situation in preportion!America,Britain,Israel,India,China [countries mentioned in Chat rooms] will have heard it all too and have weapons set on target for Mecca and Medina.A simple message by the above countries to say that if the World has any more trouble from these crazy nuts, they will strike first and Mahommed's tomb and piece of rock
will be no more than dust in the desert. Another thing is Islamo-fascists rant and rave but even the most stupid are aware of nuclear fall out and how it would affect them personally. Forget crap about being willing to sacrifice all for Allah, its impoverished brain washed youth who do suicide bombing not their'precious' leaders.Otherwise Dustbin Laden and Yasser Arafat wouldn't still be alive.Half the fun for Osama & Brothers is discussing their evil plans and gloating over them.Fortunately for us, they are mostly all mouth so we know what they're up to...
Anyway, one doesn't need nuclear weapons to destroy Mecca, a few conventional bombs would do.

Posted by: Morgane at July 15, 2004 4:55 PM

To expound upon the excellent points Belisarius just made:

Keep in mind that the ideologically devout Nazis were in the minority of Germans. The majority of Muslims are devout, at least in their hatred of the west.

Also, keep in mind that the German Army was pathetically small compared to the estimated billion-plus population of Islam.

German never had nuclear weapons. At least one Muslim state does, and others are working toward that end.

Posted by: Bob Owens at July 15, 2004 4:58 PM

Years ago, I read about a British officer (it was so long ago I don't remember his name or rank) who was fighting a group of Muslim guerrillas in the early to mid 20th Century. He did what I just finished doing, he studied his enemy under the oldest and most ignored rule of combat, know your enemy. He studied Islam and found a flaw in their belief system which he managed to use to defeat the Muslims.

The Muslims believe that, if their body becomes contaminated with any part of a pig such as its skin, meat, blood, urine, or even pig grease from cooking the pig, they cannot go to Heaven and will spend eternity in Hell. This law applies to them even after they are dead and even if they were killed fighting and killing non-Muslims. You see, according to Islam, if you were to pour pig grease on any part of the remains of a dead terrorist who just blew himself up killing non-Muslims, he would not be permitted into Heaven and would spend eternity in Hell.

Using this knowledge, the British officer had his men dip all their bullets in pig grease AND made it public knowledge. The Muslims quickly quit fighting and went home. This is because they could not only not get into Heaven if they were killed fighting this British unit but would be sent to Hell if they were killed fighting this British unit. Ingeniously, the British officer removed their motivation to die fighting the British and replaced it with a motivation to stop fighting the British.

If the Israeli's would contaminate all their munitions with pig grease including bombs, bullets, missiles, and artillery shells and adopt the policy that they would pour pig grease on the remains of any suicide terrorist AND make it public knowledge, the fighting in Israel would stop within 24 hours. If the US would do the same thing in Afgahnastan and bomb the tops of the mountains where the terrorists are holding out with balloons filled with pig blood, the Muslims would surrender before the first balloon fell. That war would end quickly also.

Posted by: milo at July 15, 2004 5:07 PM

pauly:

Go to NoJihad.com, click on Our Contributors, select Hugh Fitzgerald (our own JW Hugh) and read "Islam for the Perplexed."

Posted by: CGW at July 15, 2004 5:11 PM

Newtopia:

You nailed it. I firmly believe the Left will stonewall our efforts even after another direct attack upon us. The appeasers in the world have gained frightening momentum thanks to the outrageously overblown situation at Abu Ghraib and also due to propagandists like Michael Moore.

We have to be ready to absolutely shower the government with emails, phonecalls and faxes if anyone dares try to stop retaliation for attrocities upon the United States. What else are we supposed to do -- get like some people want and "get used to being like Europe" -- meaning, and sorry if this offends any Europeans, but become complacent about terrorism and the loss of our loved ones to this disease.

I don't think so.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 15, 2004 5:25 PM

Pauly,

You ask why we are in Iraq? That is actually a fairly complex question. As I don’t want to completely bore you with the details, I’ll hit the high points. If you want specifics later, just let me know and I’ll happily provide them.

Despite the best attempts of some to obfuscate the truth, quite a few known terrorists lived under Saddam’s protection in Iraq, including the terrorist responsible for the initial attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Saddam and hs sons were harboring terrorists who killed Americans, and flaunted that fact.

Saddam was also paying for Palestinian suicide bombers, which is well-known. He financed terrorist operations against US and Israeli interests.

He attempted to assassinate a sitting American president, George H.W. Bush.

He agreed to a set of terms at the end of the 1991 Gulf War. These were the terms of our truce with him. He violated the terms of that truce, opening the door to re-engagement.

He committed acts of war against American forces for 12 years on almost a daily basis, ordering Iraqi anti-aircraft units to fire on US and allied planes monitoring the “No-Fly” zones in Northern and Southern Iraq. Any one of these incidents carried a legal justification for war on our part. There were over a thousand such violations.

He admitting having WMDs. He used them in his war against Iran, and against his own people. He refused to let the UN carry out inspections to verify these weapons were destroyed, even though he had 12 years of warning of what would happen if he didn’t.

I can go on for days. How much more did you need to be convinced?

Another good reason for going after Iraq is its geographic importance as the perfect spot to layout a “honey pot” strategy.

Iraq is bordered by Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia, three main supporters of Islamic terrorism. By moving on Saddam, we not only neutralized him, but a further generation of problems from his demonic offspring. We also would cut down on a potential source of terrorists obtaining WMDs. It was a bonus that three countries that provide a large amount of terrorist manpower just happened to be right there.

As the borders of Iraq are easy to get across (a fact played up by the US military to the world press), America-hating terrorists were encouraged to come to Iraq to kill US soldiers, and as such walk, into a trap. We are grinding them down with a brilliantly simple plan, killing Islamic terrorists in Iraq instead of in Illinois. We maintain a kill ratio in excess of 150-1, and are severely depleting the manpower and resources of an enemy that otherwise might find their way to America.

That is all I feel like writing now, but let me know if you need more.

Posted by: Bob Owens at July 15, 2004 5:33 PM

Link to pictures of nazis and islam.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

Stay on guard.

Posted by: Scott at July 15, 2004 5:57 PM

Oh, that's what I wanted to say - thanks Bob.

About the whole Iraq war, Bob brings up some salient points and they should be considered. However, I still have reservations about the war - not because of us getting rid of Saddam and his sons (to my mind, good riddance) The truth is, I think that we are in a big can of worms over there. On the one hand, we have given the Iraqi's a respite from a totalitarian dictator, who was doing everything he could to find a means to undermine and destroy us; on the other, I think our insertion of ourselves into the ME is extremely problematic. Our president and government seem to labor under a naieve belief that we are going to bring democracy to the region. And, if it weren't for the fact that the Arabs live under an anachronistic political, sociological and religious system - known as Islam - they might stand a bit of a chance. The problem is they are not psychologically equipped to handle such a modern concept. They are still living in the 7th century, when Islam was still viewed as progressive thought. Their backwardness, I fear, is going to be the demise of our nation's well meant attempt to bring them a democratic system.

Don't get me wrong, I think Saddam and his sons had to go; but I also think that in order for things to work there, we are going to have to be there for the long haul. And, this makes me quite uneasy.

Posted by: paula at July 15, 2004 5:57 PM

Once again hanks all for you comments. I am not trolling here. I just found this web sight the other day and thought I’d jump right in. I do have a lot of reading to do her and I will do it. I’m a little busy right now gearing up for football season. I’ll tell you the same thing that I told my friends who want me to see the new Michael Moore movie. I’ll watch it with an open mind but I can tell when somebody is snowballing me. An I just don’t sit to well with that.

Foehammer,

Are you trying to piss me off? I’m just asking a few simple, obvious questions here to get a feel for everybody So don’t ask me to “get off it”, I will when I understand what your urgency is for me to get up and fight this apposing threat. Am I left or am I right? How the hell would you know? I’m just asking a dam question that most people would ask if they first cam here. Don’t make quick assumptions, the margin for error is too high.

Belisarius,

Thanks for you summarizing. That was all I was asking for. A little understanding of what it is that has everybody riled up about. Like I said, I do have LOTS to learn about this religion. I could either keep my mouth shut or I could ask some questions. Sorry if it bores you or anybody here, but think of this as a practice to the outside world. I’m sure there are a lot more people like me out there that really don’t see the urgency as you all do. I have met a few Muslims in my lifetime. Most seem like normal people. Hell, I’m an engineer myself; I work with a lot of them. YES a few creep me out with the way they talk, but to tell you the truth, Some Sothern Baptist down right scare the shit out of me!

Bob,

I think the minority of the Nazi party was my point. Guess I didn’t do that good of a job. No they didn’t have WMD but they did have a better-equipped army and better leading/fighting skills. So, other than the sure number of the forces that the Muslims pose, I still have a hard time seeing the rage and urgency? Guess I’ll find out when I read those books.

As far as why we are at Iraq, I agree, we haven’t enough time or space. Here is some of what I’m hearing here in Colorado from my friends. Now don’t get pissed off! I have no response to these points; I’m dealing with football or my own little life to get carried away with such things. But here we go.

Weren’t 12 of the terrorist from Saudi? Why not go after them? From what I remember his attempt to assonate the president was a joke, but still, why wait until now? Don’t we have the strongest strangling embargo on another nation (Iraq) in history? What are suicide bomber compared to that? If he had WMD, who helped him develop them? He couldn’t have done it alone.

My friends keep hammering me because I just don’t come right out as say “yes you’re right, Bush was wrong” because I haven’t herd all the sides. That’s why I’m asking. I have no alternative motive here Paula, Just seeking knowledge.

CGW,

Thank you, I will go to that website tonight after my meeting with the other zebras. But like I said before, I never take anything at face value. If I spot a biased and slanted version of what could be the truth, I’ll let you know.

Paula,

But I am asking you what you think. You may ask me what I think on any particular view. If I find it offensive or tripe, I’ll just ignore you. I’ll expect the same from you. I will be reading those books that have been suggested to me soon enough, and I thank you for you time to respond. Thank you for you other response on the other question I asked before.

The fact is, and I can’t stress this enough, I’m here because I’m open to any and all opinions. I’m asking question and I’m seeking the truth. I’ve sat on the sidelines of the political game, and now I want in. So where dose one start? I think it’s with getting the facts straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak. If you people don’t want me asking any more questions, there is a big Internet out there. I just find it hard to believe that only 2 questions would stir up such a response. Do you people have many trolls hitting here? But like I said, think of me as the common man with a lot of common sense that see what’s in front of him. I’ll tell you what I tell some of the players around the league. Don’t tell me what I saw…I know DAM WELL what I saw…I’m asking you to decipher what you did so I can understand better what I saw. If this is too much for you, let me know now. I don’t like wasting my time with anybody.

Again thanks for you time.

Pauly

Posted by: pauly at July 15, 2004 7:32 PM

Ok, thanks for that response pauly. The truth of the matter is, and I am only speaking for myself, I have a tendency to not try and convince people what to think about certain issues - out of being respectful and polite of their own opinions. So, knowing now that you are open to hearing and talking about our opinions, I will try and be more forthcoming.

As to your question: "I just find it hard to believe that only 2 questions would stir up such a response. Do you people have many trolls hitting here?" You might wish to know that this updated comments situation is relatively new. About two to three weeks ago, it was not restricted at all and a number of people were spamming the threads and sending the posters a number of viruses and all. I wish I could say that the ones doing this were not Muslim, but to say that would be quite disingenous. So, if you find us a bit jumpy and edgy, this may be what that "paranoia" is about. And, of course there is the old standby quote: "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you." :-) That one always makes me smile.

Posted by: paula at July 15, 2004 7:49 PM

I’m sorry to hear that Paula. I think that’s wrong, and I would not do that. I may disagree and call you on what I think my be misleading or false, but I would never Spam anybody. Heck, I don’t know enough about computers to be able to do that anyways. I hat spammers…probably as much as you hate radical Muslim fanatics.

Guess you sort of answered my question. I was on my way home and thought. “Why bog down the thread of questions of the Iraq war with Bob. I was thinking of talking to him in a pm manner. Guess you can’t do that her due to you recent history.

Anyways. Thank you all once again for you time.

Oh ya, my grammar ant’s so good (I’m an ex-football player), But listen to what I’m asking/saying and not how I spell it. Thanks

Pauly

Posted by: pauly at July 15, 2004 8:03 PM

*chuckles* and what happens when we start getting hundreds of people posting here? This is going to be interesting.

Posted by: Gary at July 15, 2004 8:43 PM

testing

Posted by: Susanp at July 15, 2004 11:24 PM

No state can survive when its current legislative statutes force it into the absurd position of defending its enemies.

Posted by: newtopia at July 15, 2004 01:40 PM

That is what will eventualy happen if Kerry wins. Not only will he be faced with economic political attacks, ( the market crash is about to happen, so there goes all his promises of health care)
As well as the jihad attacks.

Kerry of course will go the appeasement route, cut the millitary spending to try prop up impossible socialism, and the sagging USA dollar, coupled with massive industrial and general economic collapse. Don't forget, the USA drives 90% of the world economy, so when things get tough in the USA, the whole world suffers.
The Russian banks are collapsing as we speak. The end is near, a collapse 10 times worse than the dirty thirties.
The result will be 2 fold, a civil revolt, and widespread vigilanti actions.THE USA will be free no more. Not under Democrat socialist leadership at least.
Bush can hold it together by agressive war action against this "clash of civilizations" Or in plain english, stomping out the evil jihadist idiology once and for all.
We shall soon see where the will of the people lead us. prepare for the worst, lock in low intrest long tern now, or sell off and get out of debt. Stock up on canned goods for a rough winter. It's going to be a rough ride.

Posted by: Mullah_Abu_Bin_Boobie at July 16, 2004 3:17 AM

The result will be 2 fold, a civil revolt, and widespread vigilanti actions.THE USA will be free no more. Not under Democrat socialist leadership at least.

(regarding Islmic agression that is)

Posted by: Mullah_Abu_Bin_Boobie at July 16, 2004 3:22 AM

A friend said to me 'But if Israel gets hit by a Nuclear bomb all the Palestinians [whom they're always ranting on about as an excuse for terrorist activities] will be killed.Not to mention the rest of the Middle East!'In other words those 'holy' cities of Mecca and Medina will
be destroyed by Muslims themselves. Wow! Allah certainly won't like this, no 72 virgins will be waiting for them, they'll be lucky to get a single raisin.Actually think Allah will plunge them straight away into a burning hell which is probably divine justice for Bin Laden and other Brothers.

Posted by: Morgane at July 16, 2004 5:16 AM

Morgane~ somehow I don't think the muslim nations will even Notice if they wipe out the 'palestinians' along with Israel. It will certainly save them having to provide for their 'oppressed brethren.'

There's a thought. Israel should start raising massive herds of pigs. For import of the meat to other nations, of course. Then, if an islamic nuke hits, all that pork fallout will be spread across the ME....

Posted by: Gary at July 16, 2004 8:22 AM

There are several things that should be kept in mind:

First- Blackjack Pershing was one of several who used lard against muslim's, myself and my five children have already done this with our own bullits and arrows and everyone else should do the same.
Second- The government of Israel does not have the balls to do this, they fear worldwide condemnation. Most of the world hates them anyway, so they should ignore the outcry and stockup on lard. We have.
Third- Because of their rules about not associating with non-believers, I see something that maybe you can prove or disprove and that's this: The islamic world thinks they know and understand the west and they may, BUT, they don't know or understand the American people. We are armed to the teeth and won't hesitate to respond should they attack again and the muslims in America rise up.
Fourth- Being retired from the military and having discussed this with many friends, our nuke's are not all pointed at the USSR and China anymore. A majority are pointed towards the ME (now) and so are Israel's. What do they hope to gain when mecca and medina and riyadh are smoldering? Who knows what these demon inspired pyschopaths will do then, blame us of couse, but honestly, who gives a shit.

Posted by: Jewish Girl at July 16, 2004 9:26 AM

Regarding the whole lard/pork issue?

Islamic religious leaders already issues fatwas making an exception to this rule for those fighting against infidels. That is the reason the Israeli government dropped the idea.

It's just stupid.

Posted by: Bob Owens at July 16, 2004 10:58 AM

Bob, if that's true, then they are proving that their cult is a lie. How can you take the rantings in the Quran and change them or blow them off. They are worthless piece of shit liars.

Posted by: Jewish Girl at July 16, 2004 11:41 AM

Jewish Girl,

Why do you sound surprised? Islam is full of contradictions.

Suicide is clearly forbidden in Islam:

"O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).

In pre-Islamic Arabia, retaliation and mass murder was commonplace. If someone was killed, the victim's tribe would retaliate against the murderer's entire tribe. This practice was forbidden in the Qur'an (2:178-179). Following this statement of law, the Qur'an says, "After this, whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave chastisement" (2:178).

This clearly contradicts the use of suicide bombing, especially against civilians.

Harming innocent bystanders, even in times of war, is expressly forbidden by Mohammad. This includes women, children, noncombatant bystanders, and even trees and crops. Nothing is to be harmed unless the person or thing is actively engaged in an assault against Muslims.

And yet, Muslims constantly use suicide attacks against women and children around the world, violating specific commandments of Allah brought forth by Mohammad.

Islam is a curious religion.

You must accept the fact that the Qu'ran is the perfect word of Allah complete and unedited, and somehow make peace with all of the instances where it obviously contradicts itself, such as suicide bombings and their swine-related issues.

While contradictions occur in the Old and New Testaments a well, Judeo-Christians acknowledge that these books are compilations from multiple authors over a long period of time. Minor contradictions are expected. Muslims flatly reject any possibility that editing or editorializing occurred in the Qu’ran, despite the great deal of evidence to the contrary that the Qu’ran itself provides.

Islam is a faith of self-denial, a faith without faith in itself.

Posted by: Bob Owens at July 16, 2004 12:33 PM

fior na croise,

What, exactly, are the real goals of the United States in Iraq? You speak with such certainty, I want to hear what you "know."

Posted by: Bob Owens at July 18, 2004 4:43 PM