Maybe they were really musicians , even though musincal instruments are harem in islam, mind you they are constanly commiting harem and contradicting themselves so that also confuses the issue a little.
Remember folks they may have appeared menacing on the plane but consider these 2 points:
1.) Arabs/Middle Easterners are bound to look pretty malevolent at 10,000ft, it's just the reputation their muslim brothers have given them, which is why they've got a gall wailing about discrimination during security checks.
2.) One thing I've certainly noticed since 2000 when the Israelis started painting the Gaza strip with Palestinian entrails and certainly after we bombarded a billion reems of excretea out of Afghanistan, curtosy and politness attitudes towards "infidels" have gone drastically downhill. Even common greetings are a challenge for them these days , without it at the very least sounding robotically false, and with the instantly recognisable glint of fear and hatred in their eyes.

Posted by: Rikki at July 30, 2004 7:17 AM

Listen to Secretary for BORDER & TRANSPORTATION SECURITY at the DHS.

This guy is number 2, below Tom Ridge.

Don't miss it.

## I've provided several links if some are broken ##############

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/audio/files/asahutchinson.wmx
or
http://americanpatrol.com/WMV/AsaHutchisonJohnKJuly82004.wmv
or
http://www.americanpatrol.com/04-FEATURES/040709-HUTCH-FIBS-JON-KEN/HutchJohn-Ken040708-KFI.ram
or
http://www.johnandken.com / Click: Audio Archives / Click: Asa Hutchinson DHS

Posted by: Peachy Carnahan at July 30, 2004 8:59 AM

Peachy Carnahan,
With a slow-talking, slow-witted moron like that in control of border ops, is there any wonder the US illegal immigrant situation is at crisis point?

Posted by: Rikki at July 30, 2004 10:12 AM

Congress should consider making it a crime to deliberately behave in a manner calculated to create fear in reasonable people on any mode of public transportation. Even if these Syrians were not engaged in a dry run, in the way they behaved, including congregating at bathrooms, and in other kinds of behavior, they may have been deliberately toying with, and tormenting, the Infidel crew and passengers. What fun for them -- you know, of the "oh, you all think we are terrorists so let's just act that way and give you Infidel swine a real scare."

That ought to be punishable. Flying is fearful enough. Fear can cause pilot error. It can cause crew members to forget their duties. It can cause physical harm to terrified passengers. You do not have to be a terrorist to cause such fear. Anyone who deliberately acts in a manner calculated to inspire fear in others -- fear that is perfectly reasonble under the circumnstances -- should be punished. It is the only way to avoid repetition of the experience that Annie Jacobsen endured. And the bill is mostly written in the sentence above, needing only a little adjustment.

Congressmen, or rather, any intelligent aide who is intelligently reading this website -- what about it? Please get cracking. Airline passengers all over America will be, once they read the succession of articles by Annie Jacobsen (and who does not identify with her tale of mounting anguish?) will be grateful. Very.

Posted by: Hugh at July 30, 2004 10:18 AM

What pitiful, craven cowards you people are. You spew bloodthirsty threats against peaceful people all over these comment threads, advocating the torture and killing of all Muslims. Yet when you are confronted by adult male Muslims, particularly on aircraft, you soil yourselves in terror.

Can you not even recognize that your political leaders have accepted the inevitability of the triumph of Islam?

The struggle, such as it was against such unworthy opponents, is all but over. Embrace Islam now and submit to the will of Almighty Allah (swt). Perhaps then you will find it within yourselves to live as men.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar

Posted by: Reza at July 30, 2004 3:42 PM

Hugh,

Your suggestion "making it a crime to deliberately behave in a manner calculated to create fear in reasonable people on any mode of public transportation",is most appropriate for todays times.

However,this is unlikely to happen with the politically correct atmosphere that exists in this country.

In addition the "so called" moderate Islamic organizations here in the States would be up in arms and whining how this type of legislation would single out Muslims.

Furthermore the out cry from the American Civil Liberties Union,the ACLU and the rest of the left wing socialists would be deafening and as such, any efforts to impelment this, unfortunately would be defeated.

As long as the mentality of politically correct thinking and the "disease" of left wing liberalism continues here in America and abroad, our battle against Islamo -fascism will be that much more difficult.

Posted by: Son of Infidel at July 30, 2004 4:14 PM

Reza,

Male Muslims turn tail at the sight of Americans, hiding behind their women, children, and empty rhetoric. Does this sound familiar?

Your culture of cowardice is dying, Reza, and will soon pass into history.

Enjoy the final ride.

Your children will be pork farmers for Halliburton.

Posted by: Bob Owens at July 30, 2004 4:54 PM

What pitiful, craven cowards you people are. You spew bloodthirsty threats against peaceful people all over these comment threads, advocating the torture and killing of all Muslims. Yet when you are confronted by adult male Muslims,
Posted by: Reza at July 30, 2004 03:42 PM

Once again you are wrong woman this is not fear but hate we want to kill them we do not follow YELLOW men like your mo-ham-od and your arafat or your ubl who no one has seen since tora bora Must realy be YELLOW

The American people are not afraid of you yellow mulsums we want to kill them !!!

Have not broken the law but with your words of threat everyday saying you want to cut off peoples heads that might push some good American people over the edge to kill you instead of letting you kill their children?

reza what a stupid woman you are!!!

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/27/135705.shtml
Jordanian Company Submits to Abductors' Demands
NewsMax.com Wires
Tuesday, July 27, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq – A Jordanian company working for the U.S. military decided Tuesday to withdraw from Iraq, complying with demands of kidnappers threatening to kill two employees, even as a senior Egyptian diplomat returned to work a day after being released by militants.

I call that Mulsum cowardis not Americans backing down?

Yes more mulsums who are YELLOW!!!

And how many mulsums died in Iran in those earthquakes??

Americans are not afraid of you we drive cars everyday?
OH MY?? I forgot reza the woman is not aloud to drive or wear short skirts or white shoes how sad that means you surely can not shoot a gun like American women your men are afraid to give the women who they have as slaves guns

How sad?
YES FREDOM IS WONDERFUL A LITTLE WINE AND CHEESE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR MISSING!!!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Firces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength amd Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Posted by: Catherine at July 30, 2004 5:05 PM

Reza,

Advocate the torture and killing of all Muslims!!? First, what world do you live in? I think that the only Muslims anyone would advocate killing or torturing are those who mean us harm. Otherwise we would leave the torturing and killing of innocent Muslims to other Muslims who are far better at it. Have you heard of the Sudan?

Furthermore although I think your post is quite delusional and not at all based in reality, I respect your right to say it. I suspect that in most parts of the dysfunctional Muslim world your freedom to do so would be limited. Are you implying that this is what we should strive for?

I am sure and I can only hope that most Muslims have a firmer grip on reality than you do. Many of the tenets of Islam are worthy ones, short of those that seek to impose your will on others. Hopefully your vision of Islam will die with your fellow Jihadists.

Posted by: Oded at July 30, 2004 5:58 PM

Supposing DHS are of average intelligience, one assumes they ARE taking notice of what is happening but DON'T want to alarm the Public. This to me appears the rational explanation : other Government Authorities do the same.

REZA/SULTANA It is apparent you are hysterical with fear for despite your threats etc and boasted
courage of Muhajadeen, we all know they're a bunch
of cowardly murderers who dare not show their faces. My advice to you is to flee to a Women's Refuge or similar organization and GET A LIFE.
Away from brainwashing of Islam, you might even
enjoy it...

Posted by: Morgane at July 30, 2004 6:50 PM

Speaking of courage, reza; how much courage does it take to do this:

Kashmir jihadists target hapless women to spread terror

(previous story)

Please comment with your Islamic perspective.

jay

Posted by: jay at July 30, 2004 9:47 PM

The thread's about "ignoring security threats"; here's an international item, slipping by....

The Saudi Crown Prince has now acceded to Secretary Powell that “Muslim forces” could enter Iraq, as “peace-keepers” - even, reluctantly, while US soldiers remain in-country. But he’s NOT in favour of dispatching troops from Arab nations bordering Iraq - leaving his own Army, plus Syria’s, Jordan’s, Kuwait’s (and probably) Bahrain’s, at home, letting others do the “wet work”.

Requesting a UN mandate, the 22-strong Arab League yesterday snapped to assent to the Saudi suggestion and the (approximately) 55 governments (and entities) of the Organization of Islamic Conferences’ agreement can’t be far behind, leaving Iranian and Turkish forces, in addition, (formally) OUT of the Prince’s prospective “Muslim forces”’ deployment in Iraq.

The Egyptians and Algerians aren’t keen on sending their men, but Libya, at this stage, looks amenable, as do Oman and Morocco. For years, Nigeria, Pakistan and Bangladesh have each provided “peace-keepers” for the UN, who’ve generally been satisfactory in the field; Malaysia commenced training such a unit for the UN several years ago and it’s performed adequately in its limited international experience to date. Uzbekistan and Kazakstan, though - as members of the American-led Coalition in Iraq - are liable to be INELIGIBLE for the Saudi’s proposed “Moslem forces” (without drastic - pro-Wahabi - political changes in those Republics first).

However, the IDEA of Arab and Moslem detachments conducting peace-keeping duties in Iraq with any chance of there being peace as a result there (except the sullen “peace” of UTMOST, robust repression), is not plausible. From their record alone, the odds are dead against it.

If they were to go in (with the UN’s imprimatur, mais oui), more likely, Iraq will soon become a cock-pit, where the voracious power-games, incipient within the dar el-Islam, would emerge into full play. Opportunist, fascist Syria will probably be the “joker” in the pack here.

The Principals - Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey and Iran - will likely largely engage proxies, armed contingents of client/mercenary states and local factions, who’ll fight it out on their behalf, “on the ground” (initially) in Iraq - no doubt, with NONE of the humanitarian scruples which have bound the Allies’ campaign there. (Akin to the war of surrogates between Egypt and Saudi Arabia in Yemen in the early 1960s, where the Egyptians used Soviet-tendered poison gas?)

This ghastly future (inter alia) will have to be acceptable if the incumbent, sovereign Interim Government of Iraq, or its putative successor, the new National Government (mooted to be democratically elected next January) don’t survive and if the Allies are then left with no choice but to depart. (The sole guarantee in Iraq is that the Arab contenders won’t set upon each other in earnest until the Coalition’s gone - as long as it’s in Iraq, they’ll preserve a façade of "unity".)

For basic contingency planning, some mind ought to be paid as to what the US should do if this failure, feasibly, takes place... as the coming months will tell. If there’s NOT going to be peace, there definitely WILL be war; in which case, the Arabs stuck clashing with one another there - vitally, provided the congflagration’s CONTAINED - out of a bad lot, wouldn’t be the worst of all geostrategic outcomes for the West, in this Iraq phase of the “War on Terror”....

Posted by: HGII at July 31, 2004 3:02 AM

Hugh,
BRILLIANT

Posted by: Rikki at July 31, 2004 7:24 AM

Reza,
Now what are you belcing on about? I've never met such cowardly pathetic people in my life as muslims. When I see them walking through town I confront them ,male or female, demanding answers from them , with direct questions such as:
"Do you class me as an infidel then? Are you going to force me to convert? Come on answer me, or take action...."
..... and guess what Reza?They give me (or my friends )a pitiful frightened glance, begin nervously moving away and shaking and walk swiftly away like chickens chased by a wolf, they are truely the epitome of cowardice.

Oh yeah then theirs the Cave Dwellers, the "oh so brave" sewer rats hiding from our armies , how unbelievably PATHETIC!!!.

Reza I am 6ft tall weigh 19st, none of it fat, I'm covered in tatoos and scars ;or battle-wounds as I like to refer to them.My latest tatoo says " Death to Islam" in hebrew, which I show off with pride when walking through the town centre, making sure as many muslims as possible see it and see that I'm their arch enemy, and guess what(again) not one of the weasels dare to even look at me funny, they know just by looking at me I want them to start a fight, oh how I love it when they start a fight because thats when they're in Rikki territory,like I say ,most just give me a terrified glance.Others,however,do fancy their chances, normally the ones I go to great lengths to provoke,at present I'm still undefeated by muslim-kind but I've whupped plenty of their extremist butts.

So you wanna know what I think of your brave matyrs, who you've really got to respect for terrifying airplanes full of innocent people, who are quite legitimately scared due to the fact that they fear for their lives.Unlike you freaks Reza; we infidels value our lives and don't centre our entire existences around the demands of a fictional demon made up by a wino-beast.And I dare say that, even if a man of my size, thought the plane I was on was going to be blown up or used as a missile, I'd die trying to send as many hijackers to hell as possible but I too would be scared, but this a legitimate fear not like the perpetual-diahorrea inducing cowardice inflicted upon the likes of bin laden.

Posted by: Rikki at July 31, 2004 7:57 AM

Sorry some typos above.

Posted by: Rikki at July 31, 2004 8:03 AM

Talk about muslims being COWARDS . . . I know someone who daily takes his BLACK DOG on walks through area parks. That's all it takes for the muslims to SCATTER! It's hilarious, I mean it, they RUN like scared rabbits, even the MEN, all the while muttering prayers. Some of the women SCREAM at the children to gather and they stand in group hugs, hysterical, until the dog has passed. Mind you, this is no pit bull or Rottweiller, but a medium-sized border collie (actually black w/white,but they don't care), extremely well-behaved, trained and friendly.

A muslim once told me that they believe that a black dog is the devil's familiar . . .

Posted by: CGW at July 31, 2004 10:50 AM

July 30, 2004
Ignoring security threats
Now DHS has retracted an earlier statement and says that Annie Jacobsen's 14 Syrian musicians were here legally after all. What does that suggest about what DHS really knows about anything? An op-ed from the Washington Times, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:

The Homeland Security Department reversed itself yesterday, announcing that all 14 Syrian musicians who exhibited bizarre, menacing behavior on a flight from Detroit to Los Angeles last month were legally in the United States after all. DHS blames the confusion about the visa status on Immigration and Customs Enforcement employees. The flip-flop by DHS is just the latest odd twist in a story that raises troubling questions about the ability of our immigration authorities and airline security apparatus to keep potentially dangerous people off passenger planes.... Since the story became public, there has been a campaign by some unnamed government officials and Internet bloggers to discredit Annie Jacobsen — a journalist and passenger who wrote about what occurred on the flight in WomensWallStreet.com — as hysterical and unreliable. Her critics point to DHS' official position that it has no intelligence showing that terrorists are conducting surveillance of airline security procedures. One problem with this is that other passengers have given accounts first reported in this newspaper that corroborate Mrs. Jacobsen's. Also, pilots and air marshals (the latter being DHS' own employees) privately speak about groups of men engaging in similar behavior on other flights, in what look like dry runs for attacks. Also, on Feb. 8 the London Observer published a story quoting intelligence officials as stating that terrorists are practicing ways to smuggle explosive components onto planes so they can assemble bombs in midflight. It stretches credulity to believe, as DHS contends, that terrorists aren't carrying out surveillance of airliners. We dismiss these serious security concerns raised by Mrs. Jacobsen at our peril.
Posted at July 30, 2004 06:12 AM

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Maybe they were really musicians , even though musincal instruments are harem in islam, mind you they are constanly commiting harem and contradicting themselves so that also confuses the issue a little.
Remember folks they may have appeared menacing on the plane but consider these 2 points:
1.) Arabs/Middle Easterners are bound to look pretty malevolent at 10,000ft, it's just the reputation their muslim brothers have given them, which is why they've got a gall wailing about discrimination during security checks.
2.) One thing I've certainly noticed since 2000 when the Israelis started painting the Gaza strip with Palestinian entrails and certainly after we bombarded a billion reems of excretea out of Afghanistan, curtosy and politness attitudes towards "infidels" have gone drastically downhill. Even common greetings are a challenge for them these days , without it at the very least sounding robotically false, and with the instantly recognisable glint of fear and hatred in their eyes.

Posted by: Rikki at July 30, 2004 07:17 AM
Listen to Secretary for BORDER & TRANSPORTATION SECURITY at the DHS.

This guy is number 2, below Tom Ridge.

Don't miss it.

## I've provided several links if some are broken ##############

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/audio/files/asahutchinson.wmx
or
http://americanpatrol.com/WMV/AsaHutchisonJohnKJuly82004.wmv
or
http://www.americanpatrol.com/04-FEATURES/040709-HUTCH-FIBS-JON-KEN/HutchJohn-Ken040708-KFI.ram
or
http://www.johnandken.com / Click: Audio Archives / Click: Asa Hutchinson DHS

Posted by: Peachy Carnahan at July 30, 2004 08:59 AM
Peachy Carnahan,
With a slow-talking, slow-witted moron like that in control of border ops, is there any wonder the US illegal immigrant situation is at crisis point?

Posted by: Rikki at July 30, 2004 10:12 AM
Congress should consider making it a crime to deliberately behave in a manner calculated to create fear in reasonable people on any mode of public transportation. Even if these Syrians were not engaged in a dry run, in the way they behaved, including congregating at bathrooms, and in other kinds of behavior, they may have been deliberately toying with, and tormenting, the Infidel crew and passengers. What fun for them -- you know, of the "oh, you all think we are terrorists so let's just act that way and give you Infidel swine a real scare."

That ought to be punishable. Flying is fearful enough. Fear can cause pilot error. It can cause crew members to forget their duties. It can cause physical harm to terrified passengers. You do not have to be a terrorist to cause such fear. Anyone who deliberately acts in a manner calculated to inspire fear in others -- fear that is perfectly reasonble under the circumnstances -- should be punished. It is the only way to avoid repetition of the experience that Annie Jacobsen endured. And the bill is mostly written in the sentence above, needing only a little adjustment.

Congressmen, or rather, any intelligent aide who is intelligently reading this website -- what about it? Please get cracking. Airline passengers all over America will be, once they read the succession of articles by Annie Jacobsen (and who does not identify with her tale of mounting anguish?) will be grateful. Very.

Posted by: Hugh at July 30, 2004 10:18 AM
What pitiful, craven cowards you people are. You spew bloodthirsty threats against peaceful people all over these comment threads, advocating the torture and killing of all Muslims. Yet when you are confronted by adult male Muslims, particularly on aircraft, you soil yourselves in terror.

Can you not even recognize that your political leaders have accepted the inevitability of the triumph of Islam?

The struggle, such as it was against such unworthy opponents, is all but over. Embrace Islam now and submit to the will of Almighty Allah (swt). Perhaps then you will find it within yourselves to live as men.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar

Posted by: Reza
Look you pagan bitch, No one in America is going to let another September 11th style terror attack happen again.All we do now is point you urine colored scumbags out in a line and just WAIT for you to try and pull another stunt like that.Go and bathe yourself in a tub filled with pig's blood.Being that I am Pazuzu, I am going to quote an infamous line from THE EXORCIST for you:"LET MOHAMMED FUCK YOU!LET MOHAMMED FUCK YOU! LET HIM FUCK YOU"!

Posted by: Pazuzu at July 31, 2004 7:19 PM