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July 30, 2004

Can't find Osama bin Laden? Perhaps we're not looking in the right place.

A Jihad Watch exclusive commentary by Stella L. Jatras.

In his book, My Life, President Clinton devotes many pages to his peccadilloes with Monica Lewinsky, a woman young enough to be his daughter, and proudly writes he did it "Because I could." However, he gives scant attention to the destruction of the sovereign nation of Yugoslavia. Let us take a look at the results of what President Bill Clinton is so "proud" of regarding U.S. intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo.

A Telegraph (UK) of 26 July report titled, "US hunts Islamic militants in Bosnia," writes: "American military intelligence and the CIA have deployed hundreds of officers in Bosnia to track suspected Islamic militants amid concerns that the country has become a refuge, recruiting ground and cash conduit for international terrorism. Almost a decade after the end of the war in the former Yugoslavia, Bosnia has become a 'one-stop shop' for Islamic militants heading from terrorist battlegrounds in Chechnya and Afghanistan to Iraq, according to European intelligence officials."

A Wall Street Journal (Europe edition) article of Nov 1, 2001 titled, "Al Qaeda's Balkan Links," reported, "The Balkan's uncharacteristically silent exit from the world stage as the most prominent international hot spot of the last decade belies its status as a major recruiting and training center of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network. By feeding off the region's impoverished republics and taking root in the unsettled diplomatic aftermath of the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts, al Qaeda, along with Iranian Revolutionary Guard-sponsored terrorists, have burrowed their way into Europe's backyard.

"For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-training networks throughout Albanian, Kosovo, Macedonia (FYROM), Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia. This has gone on for a decade. Many recruits to the Balkan wars came originally from Chechnya, a jihad in which Al Qaeda has also played a part."

At the same time the Clinton administration was supporting the Bosnian [Muslim] government of Alija Izetbegovic, that government issued a passport to Osama bin Laden at their Vienna embassy in 1992.

In a very revealing commentary titled, "We bombed the wrong side?" of April 6, 2004 (Canadian National Post), Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, first UNPROFOR commander in Bosnia, wrote, "The Kosovo-Albanians have played us like a Stradivarius. We have subsidized and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo. We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early '90s and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today in spite of evidence to the contrary. When they achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, just consider the message of encouragement this sends to others." Christopher Layne and Benjamin Schwarz wrote on the Opinion Page in The Washington Post on March 26, 2000, "Was it a Mistake? We Were Suckers for the KLA." The Kosovo Liberation Army is engaged in sex slavery, prostitution, murder, kidnapping and drugs. Furthermore, it is an army that was trained by Osama bin Laden dealing mainly in drugs, as confirmed in the May 4, 1999 article by Washington Times reporter Jerry Seper, in which he wrote, "Some members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has financed its war effort through the sale of heroin, were trained in terrorist camps run by international fugitive Osama bin Laden -- who is wanted in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa and killed 224 persons, including 12 Americans," yet we are told by the previous administration that at the time, Osama bin Laden was not the known threat that he is today.

In The Spectator [UK] article of Sep 6, 2003 titled, "How we trained al-Qa'eda," author Brendan O'Neill wrote, "For all the millions of words written about al-Qa'eda since the 9/11 attacks two years ago, one phenomenon is consistently overlooked - the role of the Bosnian war in transforming the mujahedin [Islamic warriors] of the 1980s into the roving Islamic terrorists of today."

Ironically, the U.S. is accusing Iran of intervening in the affairs of Iraq, yet in a House Republican Research Committee Report on Terrorism & Unconventional Warfare, titled "Iran's European Springboard?" analysts Yossef Bodansky & Vaughn S. Forrest wrote as far back as 1992, "Thus Tehran and its allies are using the violence in Bosnia-Herzegovina as a springboard for the launching of a jihad in Europe." Yossef Bodansky is the author of "Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War On America."

Through Clinton's misguided foreign policy, Bosnia has become al-Qaeda's corridor into Europe. As an example, Spanish media reported that one of the suspected terrorists involved in the Madrid bombing was born in Bosnia and linked to al Qaeda. (Financial Times, April 8, 2004/BBC monitoring). Reuters of 30 Dec 2003, writes, "UN adds Bosnia charity director to al Qaeda list." Furthermore, The Associated Press of 28 June reported, "In mosques and storefront Muslim charities, U.S. and European intelligence agencies are engaged in covert conflict in Bosnia, tracking up to 300 suspected Islamic militants and shutting down those financing them."

As for President Clinton's "successful" mission in Kosovo, National Review Online of March 19, 2004, wrote, "A pogrom started in Europe this week, with one U.S. official being quoted as saying, 'Kristallnacht is underway in Kosovo.' Serbs are being murdered and their 800-year-old churches are aflame. Much of the Christian heritage in Kosovo and Metohija is on fire and could be destroyed forever. By these deeds too many of Kosovo's Albanians have shown that their rhetoric about 'democracy' and 'multiethnicity,'is false, and demonstrates also that the international community's acceptance of them have been naive."

Americans are rightly outraged by the beheadings of our citizens. However, photos of Saudi Arabian mujahedin holding the severed heads of Serbs in Bosnia as early as 1992 or the most recent photo of KLA terrorists holding the severed of Serbs in Kosovo as late as 1999 went virtually unreported.

During a CATO discussion group the question was raised: "How could we bomb a sovereign nation in violation of the UN Charter, International law and the tenants of NATO." The answer from one of the pro-NATO bombing panelist said, "Because we could." Sound familiar?

Iyad Allawi, Prime Minister of Iraq, is quoted as saying (The New York Times, June 21) "We will do all we can to strike against the enemy forces aiming at harming our country, and we will not stand by with our hands tied." President George W. Bush said precisely the same thing when he said that we will do whatever it takes to defeat (Muslim) terrorists," yet we denied the Serbs the right to defend themselves against the same enemy that we are fighting today. As Gen. Charles Boyd, USAF (Ret), former Deputy Commander in Chief, European Command said, "The Serbs are not fighting to conquer new territory, but to hold on to what was already theirs."

I would like to suggest that if we are serious about finding Osama bin Laden, we look in Bosnia and Kosovo.

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As a career military officer's wife, Stella Jatras has traveled widely and has lived in many foreign countries where she not only learned about other cultures but also became very knowledgeable regarding world affairs and world politics. Stella Jatras lived in Moscow for two years (where her husband, George, was the Senior Air Attaché), and while there, worked in the Political Section of the US Embassy. Stella has also lived in Germany, Greece and Saudi Arabia. Her travels took her to over twenty countries.

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The Osama Hunters should try interrogating the media barons at Al Jazeera, I'm sure they Know for certain where he is. They seem to have the nack of finding him when he wants to make a public threat video against the west. Or is that Saddam...?

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 6:41 AM

The Balkan's uncharacteristically silent exit from the world stage as the most prominent international hot spot of the last decade belies its status as a major recruiting and training center of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.

Is this what the Balkans have come to? So this is the result that NATO wanted in the '99 invasion of Kosovo and Serbia to stop the ethnic cleansing of muslim Kosovar-albanians. They stopped it all right, it appears to me that they chased the serbs away and let the Albanian Muslims turn the tide and acheive free reign over the balkans. BANG!!! 5 years later and the entire region is a muslim terrorist stronghold. Good job boys!!!

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 6:50 AM

So here's another attempt by the racists and religious bigots to rewrite history. Everyone knows that the Balkans are Muslim lands that currently suffer under Christian occupation. The situation is quickly changing for the better, however, and the unbelievers are being expelled by the brave mujahideen (Islamic resistance fighters). May Allah (swt) be pleased with them and grant them victory over His (swt) enemies.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar

Posted by: Reza [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 6:54 AM

I personally believe that we should have left Slobbodan Milosovic alone and let him continue, this may sound brutal, but he was only dealing out a kind of punishment his enemies would understand. Why were there so many ethnic albanians in Kosovo anyway? The same reason as there are so many muslims in all other European countries (and the States):Jihad (and dhimmi), and with the Balkans being the gateway to Europe (albeit a war-torn badlands of a gateway)from the middle east(possibly via Turkey, and old Soviet states-the usual suspects) it's bound to be a hotspot for the jihad warriors, just think they are building a terrorist training hotspot right on our very doorstep, and we're letting it fester like a gangrenous wound going untreated.
Thanks to this brilliant article, I'm sure many eyes will be opened, and it's now time to start campaigning for another invasion lof the balkans , but maybe we could bomb the right side this time : our real enemies .

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 7:02 AM

Reza,
Don't you want to become a matyr for Allah? I've heard the pay's really good. You should try it.
HAIL MILOSOVIC

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 7:04 AM

Reza wrote: "So here's another attempt by the racists and religious bigots to rewrite history. Everyone knows that the Balkans are Muslim lands that currently suffer under Christian occupation."

You filthy, Islamist liar: The Balkans are historically CHRISTIAN lands that were subjugated by constant incursions from the Turks of the Ottoman Empire thanks to centuries of rape and murder until the Ottomans were expelled by resolute Orthodox warriors, but not well enough obviously -- the remnants of Islam still plague the world in that war torn region.

There is absolutely no historical precedence for anyone to say that the Balkans are "Muslim lands" and it is this kind of rhetoric that displays what the true cause of Islam is: to paint the world as the new Caliphate under one nation of Islam.

You'd better get rid of the United States first, barbarians.

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 8:13 AM

When the history of the battle with the satanic Islam is written it is likely that Slobbodan Milosovic will be seen as a visionary who had the courage, fortitude and guts to do what he felt was right to remove the scourge this demonic cult represents.

We cannot win this battle by being nice guys or politically correct. We cannot win it by forcing our weaker neighbors to be friendly with Islam.

Islam has no intention of being friendly with us.

Just look at the comments of the dimwit Reza. The sooner the world recognizes that you negotiate with these bastards when they are on their knees – the better.


Toro

Posted by: Toro [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 9:11 AM

Question for everybody if the Bosnia War and the Kosovo war were now and not in 1995 and 1999, namely, after 9/11, what would have done USA and Europe? Greetings

Rafael

Posted by: Franze [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 9:36 AM

Any nation in a conflict where they are aided by "Jihadists" would now and forever, I hope, be considered enemies of the United States. I become more and more convinced that we were duped by propaganda and the United Nations' leagues of Islamist allies into fighting for the wrong side in the Serbian-Bosnian conflict. And that really pisses me off.

What's worse is that this question is not even examined by the mainstream press in the United States, despite 9/11. We are loaded with fools here still.

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 9:41 AM

Foehammer and Toro,
Bang on target!!! Milosovic has been painted as an evil tyrant and the albanian-muslim leeches as the innocent victims. We had pictures of Albanian refugees forced down our throats all through the weeks leading mup to NATOs intervention (or is that interference), just to get their sympathy, sympathy that they did not deserve as their rebel scum were just as genocidal and cruel as the Serbs (who were just fighting fire with fire).
My heart goes out to all the Serbians who lost their lives during the NATO bombing campaign, it must have been so frustrating and horrifying trying to make the world see that they were just trying to protect Kosovo and Serbia from the threat of that most cancerous of cults: Islam; only to be ignored threatened and bombed. How blind were we to fall for all the muslim propaganda bullshit? And now all those muslim refugees have Kosovo to go back to , still half of them have remained in Britain the great EL Dorado of Europe ,which was probably their aim in the first place:"Look a war and they think we're the innocent ones, they seem like a bunch of suckers , lets pile into their country and milk their economy, and show our kids to the News cameras to get sympathy. We fell for that one hook,line and sinker too.

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 9:50 AM
Everyone knows that the Balkans are Muslim lands that currently suffer under Christian occupation.

The Balkans were seized with murderous jihad by Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II after he succeeded in his conquest of the remnants of the Byzantine empire by capturing Constantinople in 1453.

In the summer of 1456 the forces of Hungary lead by János Hunyadi and Saint János of Capistrano, a Franciscan monk, who had succeeded in raising an srmy of crusaders composed of Hungarian peasants, raise Mehmed II's Siege of Belgrade.

Pope Callixtus III ordered the noon bell to commemorate the victory that stopped the Ottoman Turkish advance towards Europe. The noon bell is still rung to this day.

And it will continue to ring for centuries to come.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 9:50 AM

Franze,
They'd probably still have bombed the Serbs, especially if the lefties had anything to do with it.Any other outcome would offend "british and american" muslims.

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 9:52 AM

Hulega Kahn,
Which means it is and always has been christian land right? It makes you long for the middle ages sometimes doesn't it, when threats of invasion and occupation were dealt with rapidly, efficiently and without any mercy for the enemy, the Europe needs to get it's balls back.

Slobadan Milosovic was well within his rights to defend Kosovo against invasion, if he is found guilty of War Crimes it will be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice EVER!!!.
You've got to admire him though making a fool of the War Crimes Tribunal, representing himself with assured self confidence, and taking the piss Raas-claat stylee, by using his illness to his advantage, slowing the trial down to snail pace. If they ever do find him guilty, at this rate, he'll have been dead 20 years by the time that happens.

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 10:01 AM

http://humanrightswatch.org/english/docs/2004/07/27/serbia9136.htm

Kosovo: Failure of NATO, U.N. to Protect Minorities from Albanian attacks

On March 17, at least 33 riots broke out in Kosovo over a 48-hour period. Nineteen people died during the violence. At least 550 homes and 27 Orthodox churches and monasteries were burned. Albanian crowds acted with ferocious efficiency to rid many areas in Kosovo of all remaining vestiges of a Serb presence, and also targeted other minority communities. German-led KFOR troops in Prizren failed to deploy to protect the Serb population and its historic Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries, despite repeated calls for assistance. In the capital Pristina, Serbs were forced to barricade themselves into their apartments, while ethnic Albanian rioters shot at them and looted and burned the apartments below.

Posted by: Ali Dashti [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 10:03 AM

The greatest failing of American, and generally European policy, in the Balkans was in paying no attention whatsoever to the perfectly legitimate fears of the non-Muslims, especially of the Serbs. Inattention to their historical memory, and to what Izetbegovic was saying -- not a "moderate" but as demanding, in his way, as any so-called "Islamist" (in reality, any perfectly orthodox Believer in Islam, which is to say, in the necessity for Jihad, and spreading dar al-Islam, and imposing the sharia).

Let me quote from Izetbegovic, who in 1970 began making his chilling remarks about the imposition of Islam in Bosnia:

"...the most important thing that the Qur'an recommends is: all of Islam; everything else is nothing more than a detail and explanation of this central idea. This aspect of Islam contains the principle fo the Islamic Order, which is to say the union of religion and politics, but it also has other consequences of a primordial practical importance, of which the first is the impossibility of confusing the Islamic Order with the non-Islamic systems.

"...There is no secular principle, and the State must be for Muslims the scrupulous expression of the morrlal and conceptual pillar of the religion."

"The exhaustive definition of the Islamic Order is: the unity of religion and law, education and force, ideals and interests, spiritual society and Statae...the Muslim does not exist at all as an independent individual."

"The education of the population, and especially those media which have an effect on the public such as newspapers, radio, and television, must be entrusted to people whose good Islamic reputation, moral ajttitude, and intellectual ability are unimpeachable."

"It is not in fact possible for there to be any peace or coexistence between 'the Islamic Religion' and non-Islamic social and political institutions..."

In the book from which these lines are quoted (and all quotes are to be found in the excellent article by Professor Francisco Gil-White, a truthteller who was discharged from his position by the Israel-bashing "scholar" Ian Lustick at the University of Pennsylvania -- a man who has never given a sign of understanding either Islam, or its supreme relevance to the Arab war against Israel, because if he did, his insistence that Israel must surrender and surrender and surrender would be shown up for the absurdity -- if we are to take Islamic tenets seriously, as all serious people must -- it is.) there is a Qur'anic quote, offered without any modification:

"Oh Prophet, incite the believers to combat. If there can be found among you tewenty who will endure, they will vanquish two hundred, if one hundred can be found, they will vanquish a thousand infidels, because they are people such as cannot understand."

"And combat on Allah's path those who combat you, and do not disobey. True, Allah does not love the disobedient! and kill them where you will find them; chase them from where they chased you: association is agraver sin than murder. But do not fight them near the sacred Mosque unless they fight you there first. And if they fight you there, kill them then. Such is the retribution against Infidels. Should these cease, Allah is, surely, forgivning and merciful."

And when should Muslims take power in what was a non-Islamic polity? First, having segratating themselves, and followed the Qur'anic prescription "not to take Christians and Jews as friends" they must prepare for the seizure of power:

"...the Islamic movement may, or rather should, begin by seizing power as soon as it possesses a good measure of moral and numerical strength, allowing it not only to overthrow the non-Islamoc power, but also to establish the new Islamic power."

This should be of special interest to non-Muslims in western Europe. The Muslims do not need to wait for an absolute majority; they need only wait until such time as they possess "a good measure of moral and numerical strength" -- who knows how many determined warriors for Islam, confronting a soft, decadent, uncomprehending Infidel majority, that would require?

Now what Izetbegovic wrote here, and what had been his constant theme for the last 35 years of his life (he died last year) of course terrified the Serbs in particular. They had historic memories of Ottoman rule, and of the devshirme, that system by which Christian male children were seized and impressed into the service of Islam -- that is, into the army of the Padishah or Sultan. But was any of this paid any attention to, did the Serbs receive any sympathetic attention before the vicious and cruel Milosevic (a poltical ally, incidentally, of Saddam Hussein) managed to play upon those perfectly justified fears? Had the West, had any of its policymakers, actually understood Serbian fears of Islam and of Izetbegovic, had they stood by the Serbs who were not necessarily impressed by Milosevic, the whole mess in Bosnia, and in Kosovo (where Muslims have been conducting systematic destruction of venerable Orthodox churches), and now a base where Islamic terrorists and militants have had a chance to train, to spread money, and of course to make contacts within the Muslim commmunities of Europe, and of course to spread out everywhere.

One more thing: when Izetbegovic died last year, Paddy Ashdown, the U.N.'s man in Bosnia, who has a mellifluous voice (and knows it), was full of praise for this champion of his people's freedom (idiotic words to that idiotic effect). Nothing about Izetbegovic's orthodox and therefore sinister views on Muslim rule over non-Muslims, and the sheer rightness, and necessity, for expanding Islam and imposing the sharia.

Does Paddy Ashdown know, do those who exhibited not a scintilla of sympathy for the Serbs, for their historic memories and their present fears (for Izetbegovic was not "historic" but here and now), what caused the Serbs to even consider putting in place a man like Milosevic, or to let their most thuggish elements loose? This is not justification for atrocities committed by Serbs (and there were atrocities aplenty, though one is sometimes led to believe that only Serbs committed them -- what nonsense); it is to point to demagogues put in place because the Serbs had no sign that anyone understood them, that anyone remembered even Jasenovac (where Nazis killed Serbs and Jews)-- why should they, when the U.N., even before it was in the pocket of the Islamintern, was headed by a Nazi war crimiinal, decorated at "Operation Kozara," and a participant in many atrocities which, since he conveniently forgot he had served in the Balkans at all, only came to the world's attention many decades later -- a certain Kurt Waldheim. And the role that Germany played, in being the first to recognize, and therefore to encourage, those parts of Yugoslavia that wanted to separate themselves (as Slovenia), was not helpful, and could only make Serbs recall the history of German atrocities against them, which happened only yesterday. Not everyone in the world has its memory erased by nightly doses of "Entertainment Tonight" and "Access Hollywood."

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 10:09 AM

Reza wrote: "So here's another attempt by the racists and religious bigots to rewrite history. Everyone knows that the Balkans are Muslim lands that currently suffer under Christian occupation."

Picture with me for a moment. The vast white-blue wastes of the far north, absolutely nothing stretching to the horizon, the bright blue sky too much for the eye to take in, the sun too piercing, the frozen water like...shall we say a veritable desert of ice? A group of believers are trudging, huddling against the severe cold, the winds like daggers tearing at their skin. Shivering, they press onward, feet freezing in their insubstantial sandals, wind blowing up their robes, taunting their dangling parts that stopped dangling long ago. Finally, unbelievably, they reach the Netsilik settlement. The first Eskimo they see is greeted with the standard Islamo bleat "We were here first!"

Posted by: Whistling Dixie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 10:43 AM

Reza,

Help me out here... I'm trying to remember; did Islam come to the Balkans before, or after Muslims discovered and colonized the Americas on ships they didn't have?

*chuckles*

Posted by: Bob Owens [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 11:36 AM

Oh, and Reza, you forgot to mention it was all part of a "Zionist" plot...

What an ignorant schmuck...

Posted by: Bob Owens [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 11:37 AM

it doesn't appear that the usa has taken sides
against the muslims anywhere in the world
lately.

we were 'told' that the usa went into afghanistan and irag to bring 'freedom and democracy'.

instead islamic states have been created based on sharia (islamic law).

i don't hear much of criticizing bush here, but the dhimmi has said to the effect that 'democracy' is not incompatible with islam.

lets face the TRUTH.

the west: led by 'christian' america is in an alliance with the muslims.

the war against 'terrorism' is only a ploy.

Posted by: forrestshalom [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 11:46 AM

http://www.zoran.net/afp/text/independent/Philip_Hammond.htm

How NATO lied.

Press Reports On False Claims
Of Genocide By Serbs In Kosovo

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/Kosovofalsehoods.htm

US Backed Islamic Terrorism
in the Balkans

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/balkansUSbackterrorism.htm

Posted by: Mullah Omar [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 11:56 AM

Picture with me for a moment. The vast white-blue wastes of the far north, absolutely nothing stretching to the horizon, the bright blue sky too much for the eye to take in, the sun too piercing, the frozen water like...shall we say a veritable desert of ice? A group of believers are trudging, huddling against the severe cold, the winds like daggers tearing at their skin. Shivering, they press onward, feet freezing in their insubstantial sandals, wind blowing up their robes, taunting their dangling parts that stopped dangling long ago. Finally, unbelievably, they reach the Netsilik settlement. The first Eskimo they see is greeted with the standard Islamo bleat "We were here first!"

Posted by: Whistling Dixie at July 30, 2004 10:43 AM


There are no muslims up here, too damn cold for them. We may get a few "passing through" during the short summer. But even now, the northern lights are out, dazling the cold crisp night skies. Any muslim that dared to set foot in these parts will be quickly retreating as the arctic reclaims the land for another 8 months.

I can just imagine these Muslims marching across the arctic in robes and sandles, LMAO! Even in the summer, the mosquitoes and black flies would have ate them and their camels alive. This is one of the coldest, inhospitable places on the planet, not suitable for Muslims. Only some Hindu's are brave enough to try live here,in the southern parts of the provence. And they hate muslims as well. Plus they took all the taxi driving jobs, so there is nothing for a muslim to do here. Bait bait maybe, But that would be cruel to the bears to feed them muslim chum

Posted by: Mullah_Abu_Bin_Boobie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 12:41 PM

Muslim are certain obsessed by cutting off heads even to carrying round these gory trophies in caskets! This tells us a lot about their mindset.
THEY ARE STILL LIVING IN THE STONE AGE TOGETHER WITH ROCKS THEY WORSHIP AND PEDOPHILE PROPHET.
What can you expect from savages???

Posted by: Morgane [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 1:21 PM

History repeats... The balkan war is the historic parallel to the Spanish Civil war. Except this time the "global" media community was able to frame this conflict in an entirely inverted manner agressor => agressed. What can be learned? The liberal media has progressed very little since 9/11, only grudgingly acknowledging the nature of the attacks, since how can you get around 19 hostile muslims, other than claiming that it's really a jewish conspiracy. The real shooting has yet to start, muslims have no idea what's in store for their societies. Where we are on this calucus is difficult to gauge, but rest assured, these jihadi's will bring carnage to eurabia long before they attack america again. Why? Well if they take another crack at the US now, count on it, every muzzy will be loaded onto ships (or be scampering for the canadian border) and returned to the point of origin before New Year's Party in Times Square. von Rumsfeldt:, "weakness is provocative". I'm pretty sure I saw Spaniards walking around in March with their hands up, could there be anything more inviting? The next state that is implicated with terror attacks is very likely to get some of the white light. What's the proof threshold? Its getting lower and any country implicated will get their strategic assets and leadership burned down.

Posted by: newtopia [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 1:52 PM

Instead of prosecuting Milosevic & Mradzic & the rest, we should showering them with acccolades for their visionary approach to dealing with muslims & then we should hire them - as defense advisors!

Posted by: Jim [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 2:07 PM

Forrestshalom,

The Bush Administration has much more to do in combatting the Islamo-fascists here in the States and abroad.

"the west: lead by Christian America is in an alliance with the Muslims".

This statement of yours can only be classified as ignorant and offensive.

Possibly you suffer from some type of paranoia.

Futhermore, as a Christian I do not appreciate your remarks.I believe you need to do some research and reevaluate your thinking.

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 2:15 PM

Thank you for posting these Pictures of these who lost their lifes! May our hearts stay Firm with the Hate that we need to defeet this eivl! May the EYES of the world be open to this evil!

May we build enough bullets to kill all this evil!

Look at the joy on their faces??? EVIL PURE EVIL!!!
We know that they are cursed because they follow YELLOW men UBL has not been seen since tora-bora?

It is time to play cowboys and mulsums!!!

They are the monsters that we have been warned about all our lifes???

The lies of Clinton Yes he did a favor to keep the price of oil down and look at what he did with N.Korea and how they are tied to the mulsums?

We can not afford another Cliton=Kerry!!!


Lets get more MOABs
UBL is YELLOW


Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

PS
Could some of this paper work been what Sandy Berger was stuffing in his pants???

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 2:47 PM

Two babies play in their playroom. One spies a toy of the other and takes it. The first baby tries to take the toy back, but the second cries "MINE!" ...

... Perfectly reflecting the infantile reasoning and behavior of Islamists.

RJDJR (aka Opviews)

Posted by: RJDJR [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 3:27 PM

Do we need these types of people in our country?
I think that the war on terror should start right here in the U.S. Lets get these monkeys out of here!

Posted by: sgt_shultz at July 30, 2004 07:47 AM


The War has started we just open our eyes to the Truth!! The terroist are already here we will do what our grandparents did in WW2 !! This is why the American Arabs are screaming well guess what we can't hear you and we are going to FREE this world from this EVIL!!!

There is going to be alot of killing and it is going to be them that does the dieing!!!

We can't take back what clinton made us do so he could get rich but we can make the wrong right and stand together with those who want to help us kill this EVIL NO mater where it takes us Like WW2


DON'T BE A BABY BE A MAN STAY HARD THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES!!!

Harden your heart remember these mens heads you see men in these pictures had love ones and a life as you do now, but this EVIL MULSUM CUT HIS HEAD OFF REMEMBER IT COULD BE YOU HEAD IN THAT BOX!!!

Pictures like these make me want to kill all mulsums!!!

Tell the rest of the world to piss off if they don't like it!!

Let the mulsums cut off their heads we lost or phone service?


Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen


PS
http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/399/13516_Threat.html
Breaking Silence over possible imminet threat 7/23/2004/
A sobering and scary development is allegedly taking place along the southwest border of the United States.
In Arizona, in the area the many refer to as the Naco Strip, our international border with Mexico has become a primary route of illegal entry by significant numbers of Arab-speaking males. The porous frontier, harried U.S. government officials say, is beginning to look a lot like the left lane on a European Autobahn. It doesn"t take a master spy to conclude that we may be seeing a large-scale influx of al Qaeda terrorists into the country.

Stay Loaded?

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 3:36 PM

"I personally believe that we should have left Slobbodan Milosovic alone and let him continue, this may sound brutal, but he was only dealing out a kind of punishment his enemies would understand." posted by Rikki

A year or so ago, I would have been horrified by this statement but now I understand it better. As much as I wished such brutality were necessary, I do see that there are times when what looks like a horrible evil is really something more subtle. If Milosovic weren't pushed against the wall by these jihadis, I am sure he would never have committed such atrocities. The Muslims always seem to cry victim when they are actually the aggressors.

In line with this, I have been reexamining a lot of events I used to think were more or less black and white. It came as a surprise to me that a historical "monster" in Romania - Vlad Dracul the impaler - was a ruler who was faced with rabid jihadis. No wonder why he did what he did. No wonder why he impaled the armies of his enemies on long stakes. He was making a point - "Don't mess with me and my lands." Such a point is wasn't lost on the Muslim armies around him. If only the Muslims would not aggress and try to conquer the people in other lands, there would not be such a need for such slaughter. It is very sad. :-(

Posted by: paula [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 3:47 PM

so what if the woman reza calls you a name I will wear that name and raise you to con-frount-tation I aint haven my head cut off worrying about some one calling me a name I would rather kill them and ask ? later After sept. 11,2001 I will not give them the benifet of the dought they have to prove to me they are worth letting live and so far reza the woman says that I have to kill her before she kills me


I LOVE MY SHORT SKIRTS AND HAVE NO PROBLEM KILLING SQUIRRELS reza the women

so call me a squirrel killer don't care because I am!!!

Part of the American Tribe

God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom ,Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen


PS
UBL is YELLOW how come we aint seen no pictures???

I call That YELLOW?
Ride Cowboy Ride!
Put them terrorist on the run?
Cowboys just haven a little fun!!
Ride Cowboy Ride!

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 3:50 PM

lets face the TRUTH.

the west: led by 'christian' america is in an alliance with the muslims.

the war against 'terrorism' is only a ploy.


Posted by: forrestshalom at July 30, 2004 11:46 AM


You are right and to hear powell today defend a chinese drug runner over the officer who caught her is enough to make you sick!!!

I keep hearing powell who is supposed to have balls of steal sound more and more like a wimp!!

Bush does not see the whole truth yet ut is getting closer and I pray every day to open his eyes as well as the worlds Appesement does not work?

Look a Belguim today and they attcked their oil supply?


Keep telling the truth and keep your guns ready and remind people what you know and the word spreads fast? This is why the arabs tried to sut down J.W., F.N.,and of course Talk R.

They have even burned a few churches here in the USA> they own the main stream meida!


Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 4:05 PM

Forrestshalom,

The Bush Administration has much more to do in combatting the Islamo-fascists here in the States and abroad.

"the west: lead by Christian America is in an alliance with the Muslims".

This statement of yours can only be classified as ignorant and offensive.

Possibly you suffer from some type of paranoia.

Futhermore, as a Christian I do not appreciate your remarks.I believe you need to do some research and reevaluate your thinking.

Posted by: Son of Infidel at July 30, 2004 02:15 PM


Hate to tell you this but you are wrong on this one SON

Bush does not see the true threat yet he is close to seeing ?

Bush is not perfect? He is a man!!
Your are right he is strong and is our hope to get these monsters but the fight is not his alone we are their the American people and will fight this EVIL!!!


And if you notice the E.U still has not convictied Mol. there maybe a reason for that they know the truth!!

God Bless the Country who has Heros!!! Pitty the country who needs them?


Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM] Amen

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 4:35 PM

Catherine,


To accuse all Christians as being in alliance with the "Muslims" is absurd and baseless.

Collin Powell has always been one of the weakest officals of the Bush Administration, this is nothing new.

I would be interested to know which churchs were burned in the US, when this happened, and by whom.

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 4:41 PM

Catherine,

Forrestshalom's statement implies that Christians are in alliance with the Islamo-fascists.As I stated before this is an ignorant and biased remark.

There are many Christians that would deal with the threat of Islamo-fascism much more strongly if the were in a position to do so.

Futhermore, I have never stated in any of my commentary posted at this site, that George Bush or any of the Bush Administration officals are above reproach.

Unfortunately they ,like all politicians whether Republician or Democrat are playing the game of Politics.

Let us pray that after the election, and Bush wins, much more stronger action will be taken aganist the Islamo-fascists here and abroad.

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 5:07 PM

Son
not by our own fault but by the wars we have fought yes we freed the afgans and as soon as they were free the UN stepped up and put them back as an Islamic country and we fought against the chirstians in kosovo and bosina because of Bill?

Iraq is a mulsum country not a chirstian one?
Yes what we did is right but we are still being pushed in a dreiction by the UN and they are owned by the arabs because of oil?

He was not bashing Bush just trying to make a point? Bush has a hope that islam is of peace and doesn't want to face the truth yet!!!

I believe he will!

As far as the churches look in Pa and Ky and Tn and look in march and may June had some too?
Think there were more than 5 with in a few weeks and people started puting things together and there were some arrest hushed up?


Don't wear your feelings on your sleave? You are to smart for that!!


Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength and Courage to stay the course to victory Amen

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 5:20 PM

Son
I also think there may be a little more hate in his heart because he has lost love ones by these monsters?

Seeing these pictures and knowing that the world was sclient and sided with the enemy has to be hard to forgive? He wants us to not be blind of the real threat and not give up the fight his friends are still on the frount lines!!

Remember that a mulsum dog just shot and killed some Americans in kosovo? If you have ever been in a fight with someone it is hard to make them friends but it is not imposs. It is the mulsums who are the monsters and the woman raza is proof everyday she talks of killing chirstians?


Remember a gun in hand is better than 2 cops on the phone!!

reza you are a stupid woman!!!

Part of the American Tribe

God Bless the USA and her fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 5:41 PM

Catherine,


I am well aware of the serious threat that Islam poses to the world. I advocate the strongest possible measures to be utilized in combatting this evil scourge, and my commentary posted here at Jihad Watch reflects this.

I have expereinced first hand their death and destruction living here in New York. Futhermore, I lost a close family member who died in a Muslim country under very suspicious circumstantes.

We are in agreement that the Bush Administration needs to stop all this polictically correct nonsense and seriously go after the Islamo-bastards.

As far as "wearing my fellings on my sleave", any time I read commentary that I have a problem with, I will take issue with it.


I admire your spunk, and as I stated once before, you have more Balls than some of the male posters here at Jihad Watch.

Remember A gun in hand is better than two Democrats in the White House.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 6:10 PM

ditto


Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 6:19 PM

REZA/SULTANA[since you are a woman]
You ought to be reading the Qur'an instead of using a computer[invented by wicked infidels although Osama B wears an American watch] and concentrate shaving around those hairy orifices.
One thing which puzzles me and perhaps you may care to enlighten us, is there a special barber and ritual for this?? Would think it a fairly risky business for the short sighted...Alas, we
can't expect you to have much of an education, and can see from your comments that apart from
propaganda from Al Margarine and Jihad Unspun, you
have absolutely nothing original to contribute.
Expect one of the few excitements of your dull,Islam dominated days is to post on this Infidel Forum.Poor thing, we can only pity you.
You had better get back inside your Burka...

Posted by: Morgane [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 6:25 PM

I think President Bush does know that it's islam at the root of most of the world's conflicts. Remember, he's an Evangelical and members of the Evangelical community visit and pray with him regularly. Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, and others have let him know exactly what islam is about. John Ashcroft is an Assemblies of God man, and John Danfort, recently appointed U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. is an ordained Episcopal priest. THEY KNOW. They just can't come out and say it. So they resort to the "perverted, hijacked stream of islam" argument to get as close to the truth as they can.

Posted by: 3812Michelle [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 7:37 PM

I LOVE MY SHORT SKIRTS AND HAVE NO PROBLEM KILLING SQUIRRELS reza the women
So call me a squirrel killer! [I]don't care because I am!!!

Posted by: Catherine at July 30, 2004 03:50 PM

When my sons were about 9-10 ears old, they went out and hunted some squirrels, and made me real nice book marks out of the fur and hide which I still have and use to this day..

One son is in Afghanistan hunting "terrorists", shall I ecpect a lampshade?

Posted by: Mullah_Abu_Bin_Boobie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 8:18 PM

Clinton wrote in his autobiography
"Because he could".

Why did Clinton attack Serbia ?

"Because he could."

Serbians paid the price for Clinton's obsession
with his legacy - a legacy he felt was tarnished
by his failure to call Rwanda (or even Bosina) a genocide. Ofcourse, his legacy remains permanently tarnished for a rather unimportant reason.

So then why did he exaggerate an internal ethnic conflict which claimed a few hundred to perhaps a thousand lives on both sides as a genocide where a hundred thousand or more had been killed ?

"Because he could."

Americans and Europeans will eventually pay a price for the dishonesty of their leaders and their journalists as well as their own naivete. So what happened to the 'freedom fighters' in Afghanistan during the Reagan era ?
Islamic republic of Kosovo - sounds like a cool name. Just digressing, but how can people stand that woman - Madelyn Albright ?

Posted by: Naresh C. [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 2:14 AM

good news from Iraq. looks like that kidnapper
Al Zarqawi has
been arrested by American forces. True ?

Posted by: Naresh C. [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 4:14 AM

The immigration and travel of Muslims to the United States is certainly our biggest problem, which has obviously been proven with the many bank fraud, tax fraud, visa fraud, bomb plots, etc arrests, indictments, and convictions.

Yet, there's another huge problem of ours, namely the existence of Muslim Charities and Muslim Civil Rights & Advocacy groups, who publicly scream discrimination, and dismiss the indictments and convictions as "witch hunts".

They even cried out that America should stop identifying 9/11 and its aftermath as Islamist terrorism. I suppose it's really Joker and Penguin plotting to overthrow the United States Government, and not the Muslims, right?

Posted by: DCWatson [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 4:19 AM

"I would be interested to know which churchs were burned in the US, when this happened, and by whom."
Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:41 PM

http://www.exodusnews.com/Religion/Religion028.htm

Unfortunately. it does not answer the "by whom" part of your question.

Posted by: Djinn'nSquirt [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 6:09 AM

DC Watson,
The Muslim groups you speak of are just as bad as terrorist organizations, they're just playing a different role in the same movie (Dawn of the Jihad) so to speak.

My nickname for them is Islamisit Smokescreeners as it seems to be an accurate discription of their duties.

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 7:11 AM

Catherine and Son of Infidel,
You guys would make a really cute couple, but Catherine I thought you loved me.

You've had quite a little affair goping since I've been off line through the night. I'm all jelous now, so Catherine, my sweet baby, you know I'm always praising you for your traight for the jugular, islamocidal comments, since you've obviously got at least 2 lads who want to give you their love, how do you feel about polygamy(multiple partners).

PS- Catherine did you get my email the other week? I meant everything I said on it and mean everything I've just said on this comment.Please don't take as a joke or SPAM.

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 7:18 AM

DC,
Sorry typo: Islamist Smoke-Screeners

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 7:20 AM

Rikki'

Pistols or sabers at dawn for Catherine's affection, which do you prefer?

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 7:43 AM

Son of Infidel,
I'll try to find out the Star Wars light-sabre I got for Chrimbo in '83, but if I can't find it I dare say my bare hands will be sufficient (and I won't cheat by selotaping a machete to my back , so don't check!Alright?....You don't need to check... you can trust me....WAH-WAH-WAH-WAH-WAHHHH(MANIACAL CARTOON SUPERVILLIAN LAUGH)!!!!!!

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 8:09 AM

Rikki,


I'll expect you here in the States within 48 hours or I will have to come looking for you!

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 8:22 AM

Catherine,
We're willing to duel to death for you my Squirrel blasting, short skirt wearing,little angel.But will you tell Son of Infidel he's throwing away such a promising future, it'd be like a Lada in a race with a Ferrarri, Scrappy Doo Vs Tyson, Iraq at war against British and Americans (you get the massage...er...I mean message).
You see Catherine he thinks because guns were banned over here in the UK, no-ones got 'em, oh how wrong can a "man" be (thats fighting talk S.O.I). My main problem is desciding which of my arsenal to use a very short sho'down.

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 8:25 AM

Son of Infidel,
Could you loan me enough for 2 tickets: a return for me; a one-way for Cath , (I'll be bringing my girl home with me).

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 8:30 AM

Rikki,

The Scrappy Doo Vs Tyson just doesn't work.
Tyson that brain dead monkey(no disrespect to primates) is all washed up.

What in the hell is a Scrappy Doo?

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 8:40 AM

Rikki,

Catherine is staying here with me!

You will be going home in a full body cast while sitting in a wheelchair.

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 8:45 AM

Son of Infidel,
Catherine eats little boys like you up for breakfast.She'll suck on your eyeballs for lunch,munch your organs for dinner and finish off your bones for supper. So seen as you're closer you get it on with her, it takes 8 hours to get to the states so by the time I get there you'll probably already be comatose from exaustion, at which point I'll take over and give her what she really wants!!!

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 9:01 AM

PS-
Scrappy Doo is Scooby Doos annoying little,"all mouth and no action" nephew; whose insipid catchphrase is: "lemme at 'em" (repeat ad nausea)
while standing doing feeble little punches on thin air. Don't know what made me think of comparing him to you Sonny, LoL,LoL!!!

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 9:09 AM

PPS- Wheelchair or not , I'll still do ya (I'd customise it with leftover Soviet amour and weaponary).

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 9:11 AM

Rikki,

This will be like the Terminator vs Pee Wee Herman.

With you being PEE WEE.

I await your arrival.

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 9:13 AM

PPPS- Catherine wouldn't be able to resist me then: we all know chicks dig wheels!And if I added weaponary, I could pick her up, take her on a cruise where we could hunt muslims (or squirrels)with my built on Sniper Rifle.

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 9:14 AM

Rikki,

Catherine has told me that the biggest laugh she ever had was when you dropped your pants!

Those viagra tablets just won't help.

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 9:19 AM

Rikki,

I'm gona go easy on you.

You can see Catherine every third weekend of the month, but no touching.

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 9:23 AM

Rikki,

I gona give you a break seeing that us Americans and Brits should stick together.Besides are women worth all this trouble.

I say we combine forces and takeout Bushtoucher,Reza and Mahmoud.

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 9:37 AM

So here's another attempt by the racists and religious bigots to rewrite history. Everyone knows that the Balkans are Muslim lands that currently suffer under Christian occupation. The situation is quickly changing for the better, however, and the unbelievers are being expelled by the brave mujahideen (Islamic resistance fighters). May Allah (swt) be pleased with them and grant them victory over His (swt) enemies.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar


Posted by: Reza
Spoken like a true hypocrite!Islam, the religion of intolerance towards Christians, Jews, Hindus, and anything remotely secular.Assuming that you are a woman, do you view the hijab as an expression of idependence?I just had a pork roll and cheese sandwich on a roll earlier.Y'all should try it sometime.

Posted by: Pazuzu [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 12:41 PM

lets face the TRUTH.

the west: led by 'christian' america is in an alliance with the muslims.

the war against 'terrorism' is only a ploy.

____________

clarification on the above statement:

i base this assertion on daniel 2.41-45.

i don't see any geopolitical developments lately to the contrary.

notice also that i have the word 'christian' in quotation marks.

obviously i did not mean that true christians are in
alliance with muslims. far from it. however those 'christians' who believe in replacement theology
are.

replacement theology is a term describing those who believe God has replaced is elect status of israel with the church or some gentile nation.

just ain't so pardners.

Posted by: forrestshalom [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 1:49 PM

Forrestshalom,


I would like to know more about this "replacement theology", what is the exact origin of this and which Christians as you claim, believe this "alleged" theory.

Furthermore, I get the distinct impression from your comments that there is some underlying anti-Christian bias.


"i base this assertion on daniel 2.41-45."


Please explain how your above statement is based on Chapter 2 verses 41-45 of the Book of Daniel, which has been placed below.

41 "And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay".


42) "And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken".


43) "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay".


44) "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever".


45) "Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure".

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 6:22 PM

"So here's another attempt by the racists and religious bigots to rewrite history. Everyone knows that the Balkans are Muslim lands that currently suffer under Christian occupation."
Now Reza, this is an outright lie and you know it!You make the Balkans sound like the illegally occupied lands of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights!


"The situation is quickly changing for the better, however, and the unbelievers are being expelled by the brave mujahideen (Islamic resistance fighters). May Allah (swt) be pleased with them and grant them victory over His (swt) enemies."Posted by: Reza

May Jesus Christ look down upon the Islamist enemy and show them the light.If they do not see it, then perhaps YAHWEH will smite them.

"Your grandchildren will be Muslim."Posted by: Reza

I hope somebody shoots you with a water gun filled with pig fat for saying that.


"Allahu akbar" Posted by: Reza

Were you slicing off someone's head when you wrote this?

Posted by: Pazuzu [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 6:36 PM

The Balkan's uncharacteristically silent exit from the world stage as the most prominent international hot spot of the last decade belies its status as a major recruiting and training center of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.

Is this what the Balkans have come to? So this is the result that NATO wanted in the '99 invasion of Kosovo and Serbia to stop the ethnic cleansing of muslim Kosovar-albanians. They stopped it all right, it appears to me that they chased the serbs away and let the Albanian Muslims turn the tide and acheive free reign over the balkans. BANG!!! 5 years later and the entire region is a muslim terrorist stronghold. Good job boys!!!

Posted by: Rikki
The liberal media and our zionist influenced congress do not seem to have a problem with these facts.Remember, we are stupid in their eyes and we aren't supposed to notice these things.If we do, we are racists and Hitlers.

Posted by: Pazuzu [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 6:53 PM

The amount of Moslems in Eastern Europe is disgustingly high. Southern Bulgaria, Macedonia, Kosovo, Albania, even the Thrace region of Greece all contain a high number of Moslems. There are also some in the Transdenistr region of Moldova, and the Krym Autonomous Republic, and we all know about the Caucuses. Russia itself has non-Caucuses autonomous Islamic Republics (Kazan/Tartarstan and Bashkortostan). On the face of things it would seem the cancer of Islam has spread to every corner of the world. It looks like the West (which is a stupid term as anyone who isn’t a Moslem should have to bloody tolerate it) is in a poor position.

However, let us for a minute examine what the Moslems have achieved, militarily since WWII. In spite of all of their money they haven’t taken Chechnya. The performance of the Islamic Bosnian Army in the ex-Yugoslav conflicts was nothing short of woeful. They couldn’t touch the Serbs and from 1993-4 were decimated by numerically inferior Croatian paramilitaries. In the end they had to rely on NATO bailing them out by bombing the Serbs heavy weapons, even then they didn’t take that much territory in 1995. Let us also look at the understudied and forgotten war in Afghanistan from 1980 - 1989. Despite having huge amounts of sophisticated weapons like Stingers, they were unable to defeat the Soviets in open conflict. It is also worth noting the fact the Soviets were undermanned (only 100,000 troops for a country 5X the size of Vietnam), and didn’t send their best men or equipment (it was left in Eastern Europe). In short, "The Soviets never really tried to win in Afghanistan" (M. Galeotti), yet despite this and huge funding ($6 billion in one year) the Mujahideen still never really defeated the Soviets. I would also like to add that even when the Soviets withdrew it took the Mujahideen another 3 years to defeat the Communist DRA (effectively the Soviet's South Vietnamese, but with no weapons and a tiny army).

Running headlong into Serbian machine gun nests chanting “allah-oh-marsbar” might be a nice way of meeting “the virgins” but it didn’t really help their expansionistic ideals. In short Islamic militarism is feeble at best and downright shoddy in most cases. As a result of their inadequacies they seek to gain excess publicity by performing the grotesque acts such as beheading and castration. If these Moslems hope to rule the world they'll need to improve their military tactics. But of course they're too busy reading their stupid little book about allah to do that.

What these Moslems need is a jolly good thrashing. All of these Pacifists, Quislings, Islam-apologists and various other scoundrols will change their silly tones pretty soon. Eventually they will see that Islam is not a peaceful religion, its pretty damned intolerant, and its not an awful lot of fun being a Moslem, especially if you are remotely concerend with Womens Rights (or just like women at all for that matter).

As Milosevic said, "And then when they start beheading your own people in wars to come, then you will know what this is all about"


Links
http://www.icdsm.com/more/milosevic-bc2.htm (2/3rd of the way down, "beheading")

Posted by: tranmere_rover [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 1, 2004 12:26 AM

i love the book of daniel

here the lord reveals to his jewish prophet what will transpire in the future BEFORE IT happens.

try and find anything like it in the koran...

i could write an entire book on daniel 2 but in a nutshell:

God revealed that there would be a series of gentile
nations that would dominate israel until the Messianic age was implemented.

nebuchashneezers statue had a:

head of gold: babylonian empire
chest and arms of silver: medo/persian
belly and thighs: greece
legs of iron:rome
feet of iron/clay: arabian/western

so we are in the period of the fifth gentile empire:

only one more down until JESUS returns to rescue
israel from the diabolical arabian(muslim)/western
(apostate christendom) alliance that comes against
the glorious Land.

Posted by: forrestshalom [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 1, 2004 8:10 AM

for a detailed explanation of replacement theology:

please read 'israelology: the missing link in systematic theology' by the emminent Messianic Jewish theologian arnold fruchtenbaum: ariel.org

Posted by: forrestshalom [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 1, 2004 8:13 AM

Say, what happened to all those "mass graves" that were overflowing with the poor Albanians? Strange, they NEVER materialized.

In fact, one Sat photo that was used on CNN during that conflagration showing the Serbians digging "mass graves," turned out to be nothing more than an old Albanian Baba tilling the soil in her graden.

And don't forget the fact that American planes were bombing civilian targets (schools, hospitals, houses) that were "redefined" as military targets. But, its okay because these were only Christians -- which is why we started the bombing on Easter Sunday I guess.

And then their was the infamous Larry King interview with someone from the Serbian TV station in downtown Beograd -- suddenly, a crusie missle hits the studio and everything went dead ... literally.

Then lets see, the famous Mostar market killing, in which it was claimed at the time, that a morter shell was "fired by the Serbs in the hills." It turned out to be a morter shell alright, pre-planted in the market square by the Albainian islamics to garner worldwide sympathy for their jihad against the Christians. The cameras were in place, and the whole thing was actually rehearsed believe it or not.

Remember the streams of refugees "fleeing" scenes that were on television every night? I talked with someone who was there that some of those pictures were actually people hired to walk in a large circle. The cameras were put in place to make it appear as if it were a constant stream of people. Actually, the number was more like 150.

The islamics are masters of propoganda and manipulation of the media.

AND WE FELL FOR IT. Not only that, most of us are STILL in denial! But things have improved in Kosovo I supposed if you like the idea of trafficing in sex slaves, drugs, or weapons.

Under the watchful eye of the UN -- this kind of grotesque capitalism is flourishing and the proceeds go directly to the koffers of the islamics!

Nice job mr. clinton, madame albright, mr. weinburger, mr. blair, mr. robinson, et al!

This crowd should have a vacation in bagdad. Now, now, don't lose your head -- remember that islam is the religion of peace.

Now about those "mass-graves" dug by the Serbs, where could they be?

Posted by: witness [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 1, 2004 2:19 PM

Forrestshalom,

I am glad to see that you recognize Christ Jesus as the Messiah.


Isalm is the "evil" referred to in the "Book of Revelation"

Mohammed certianly is the "false prophet"

The battle between the forces of "good" and "evil" has begun.

The prophesy shall be fulfilled.


Revelation 19:10-21

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


"Surley I am coming soon".
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

Posted by: Son of Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 1, 2004 2:29 PM

Son of Infidel,
Truce accepted (but my d***'s bigger than yours!!!

Posted by: Rikki [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 2, 2004 7:59 AM