If this is true then we should make Gaddafi and the nutty Libyans muslim allies of the west ( or not).
How come when someone plans on toppling one of the big-shot islamic countries like the house of Saud we have interference like this. Oh by god no, you can't assassinate the Saudi dictator, thet're our "allies" such great allies that they're trying to make oil only affordable to millionaires in the west.

Posted by: Rikki at July 30, 2004 7:31 AM

Are people having problems getting into or posting in The Human Rights Forum?

http://forums.delphiforums.com/western1

http://p197.ezboard.com/ftheantijihadforumfrm1

Posted by: Voltaire at July 30, 2004 7:34 AM

Voltaire,
I've had a busy week and I'm on limited library internet time so I've not had chance the last couple of days, but I'll be on later. C U.

Posted by: Rikki at July 30, 2004 7:54 AM

I think that the House of Saud is preferable to a rabid Islamists leadership. At least the House of Saud is secular and in no hurry to go to the great big "cat house in the sky" that most Muslims can hardly seem to wait for!

The hatred of Islamists for non muslims is similar 9/11 in that we are not even close to being able to imagine it! We are as unprepared to battle this mindless brutal bloodthirsty religion now as we were on the 10th of September 2001 to imagine innocent civilian planes being used as bombs to kill 3000 civilians!

The Saudis will keep us in oil simply because they need the cash to keep their Kingdom alive. Sure they hate us, so what else is new? We can live with an identified "friendly" enemy that values life and is in the open much better than a hidden enemy that loves death and that lurks and strikes from the darkness.

The saying "the lesser of two evils comes to mind...” The House of Saud is much less evil than whatever rabid Wahhabists we would see replace them if they were overthrown.

Posted by: Susanc at July 30, 2004 8:12 AM

Voltaire:

I've had a lot of glitchy trouble with the site.

Posted by: CGW at July 30, 2004 9:25 AM

CGW,
Me too, I keep getting those irritating pop-up ads appearing every 10 seconds, they do my nut in.Especially when I've been hacking away at the keyboard , only to look up and see some porn queen with her mambas out winking at me, the realisation subsequently dawning on me that my dialogue has gone to that great typewriter in the sky.

Posted by: Rikki at July 30, 2004 9:33 AM

Yes, Muslim are being targeted by law enforcement. That's because the troublemakers are Muslim. It's time for these whiney asses to stop hiding behind their cult and realize that Islam is loaded with criminals that need to be taken out.

Posted by: DCWatson at July 30, 2004 10:03 AM

For once, I find myself wishing that a muslim was right - I wish that EVERY MUSLIM was being targeted by law enforcement (and every good citizen!). Put 'em right in the crosshairs where point of aim = point of impact & pull the friggin' trigger!

Posted by: Jim at July 30, 2004 1:21 PM

'BUT MUSLIMS ARE BEING TARGETED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT
AT ALL LEVELS OF SOCIETY..'
You've got it since there seems to be so many criminals in the service of Allah...

Posted by: Morgane at July 30, 2004 1:45 PM

July 30, 2004
Ride Cowboy ride!
Put them terrorist on the run!
Boy Cowboy’s haven some fun!
Ride Cowboys ride!

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/29/164318.shtml
Iraq Says Police Have Arrested 270 Terrorists
NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, July 29, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq – Iraqi police have arrested 270 terrorists, mostly from neighboring Arab countries, in recent raids, the interim interior minister said in remarks published Thursday.

Some of the militants were Syrian and Iranian, Falah Hassan al-Naqib told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat daily. "I can confirm that 90 percent of those who carried out suicide operations are not Iraqis," al-Naqib said. "I believe that Iraqis' noncompliance with terrorists have made them a target."
The Iraqi government has previously announced the capture of foreign fighters here and urged neighboring countries to do more to help prevent infiltration of militants who cross into the war-ravaged country to fight U.S.-led coalition forces.
"Police have recently arrested 270 terrorists, mostly nationals of neighboring countries, such as Syria," al-Naqib said. "I wonder whose interest is it to target national Iraqi elements and civilians?"

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/399/13516_Threat.html
A Border Patrol spokesman has confirmed that since Oct. 1, 2003, 5,510 illegal aliens designated as "Other Than Mexican" (OTM) have been apprehended while crossing the rugged terrain in southern Arizona. The term actually means "other than Mexico or other central and South American countries," the spokesman said.
So just who are, and from where, is this invading force of encroachers coming from?
"Can"t tell you that", said Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame when queried by the Tombstone Tumbleweed newspaper yesterday. Agent Adame declined to say what countries the OTM illegals are from, although he admitted detainees include "people from all over the world." Adame added, "We apprehend them, process them, and turn them over to [the U.S. Department of] Homeland Security and the FBI and that is all I can say."

U.S. Muslim Activist Pleads Guilty
NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, July 30, 2004
ALEXANDRIA, Va. – A prominent U.S. Muslim activist who said he participated in a Libyan plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia's crown prince pleaded guilty Friday to unrelated illegal business deals with Libya.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/184279_census30.html
James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, HMMM???
Next time you hear a president poll remember?

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-nj--contributorcharge0728jul27,0,7386334.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire

Most of the Kushner money the DNC is returning _ $124,000 _ represents eight campaign contributions the committee received in July and August 2000 in the names of various real estate partners.

The contributions were among nearly $541,000 in donations the FEC determined were improper.

http://www.predatoryaliens.com/

And the Arab Americans cry?? If they don't like the USA they can get the hell out of this country!!!

Why are they not helping to find these Terrorist ? No they are just complaining and GUESS what more and more of them turn out to be terrorist???

It is getting close to squirrel season?

God Bless the country who has Heros!!! Pitty the countrys who need them?

Posted by: Catherine at July 30, 2004 2:23 PM

Voltaire:

I've registered with The Human Rights Forum and have posted on site, but neither my nor anyone else's posts have been added to the site since 7/28?

So either I'm not accessing it right, or the site is not operating properly.

RJDJR (aka Opviews)

Posted by: RJDJR at July 30, 2004 2:55 PM

offtopic on Sudan....

Rikki...saw your post of a few days ago regarding intervention in Sudan. Not many people seem to agree with you, but I do. The powerless UN just gave the even more powerless Sudanese government 30 days to fix the problem "or else"....no mention of any specific action. The 30,000 killed Sudanese by Arabs are of little importance compared to the 3000 Arabs killed in Israel over the last 3 years of jihad.
....Afrafaste

Posted by: Afrafaste at July 30, 2004 3:34 PM

Sudan is yet another unnecessary tragedy in the world being generated by Arab/Muslim intolerance and racism. Little do they know how easily they would be obliterated if skilled mercenaries were sent in there.

Posted by: DCWatson at July 30, 2004 3:56 PM

Cry havoc! and let loose the dogs of war!

Does the US have any legal avenue to hire mercenaries? Whether legal or no, have they used such for efficiency and to spare American troops?

Posted by: Afrafaste at July 30, 2004 4:40 PM

Hi everyone.

It seems that no-one can get into the human rights party forum.
Now that's either because of some serious glitch that is occuring, or there is sabotage happening at Delphi.

I was at the anti-Jihad forum, and they were talking about how the vice-president at Geocities was a muslim, and that he had eliminated all the anti-Islamic sites at Geocities.

So maybe the same thing is happening at Delphi as well.

Either we get our own website ASAP, or post at the anti-Jihad forum at http://p197.ezboard.com/ftheantijihadforumfrm1

Posted by: Voltaire at July 30, 2004 4:57 PM

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/30/111246.shtml
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
China Threatens War With Taiwan by 2008
NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, July 30, 2004
BEIJING – A senior Chinese official warned that Beijing would not rule out war with Taiwan if the island's president pursues his plan to adopt a new constitution by 2008, the government's China Daily newspaper reported Friday.

Why wait untill 08
could it be they know the American People are going to elec. G.W again?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/184279_census30.html

Census bureau sharing information on Arab Americans
Friday, July 30, 2004
By LYNETTE CLEMETSON
THE NEW YORK TIMES
WASHINGTON -- The Census Bureau has provided specially tabulated population statistics on Arab Americans to the Department of Homeland Security, including detailed information on how many people of Arab backgrounds live in certain ZIP codes.
The assistance is legal, but civil liberties groups and Arab American organizations say it is a dangerous breach of public trust and liken it to the Census Bureau's compilation of similar information about Japanese Americans during World War II.
The tabulations were produced in August 2002 and December 2003 in response to requests from what is now the Customs and Border Protection division of the Department of Homeland Security. One set listed cities with more than 1,000 Arab Americans. The second, far more detailed, provided ZIP-code-level breakdowns of Arab American populations, sorted by country of origin. The categories provided were Egyptian, Iraqi, Jordanian, Lebanese, Moroccan, Palestinian, Syrian and two general categories, "Arab/Arabic" and "Other Arab."
Hermann Habermann, deputy director of the Census Bureau, said such cooperation was standard practice. "We are required to provide information to other federal agencies," he said. "This is not a cabal calculating secret tabulations."
But Habermann also expressed concern over application of the data, adding: "We do worry about how information will be used. However, we have not been given the authority to determine which organization gets which information."
Census tabulations of specialized data are legal as long as they do not identify any individual.
Christiana Halsey, a spokeswoman for Customs and Border Protection, said the requests were made to help the agency identify in which airports to post signs in Arabic.
"The information is not in any way being used for law-enforcement purposes," she said. "It's being used to educate the traveler. We're simply using basic demographic information to help us communicate U.S. laws and regulations to the traveling public."
But critics of the information sharing said general demographic snapshots could be derived without such detailed information, and that the ZIP-code-level data with its breakdowns of ancestral origin seemed particularly excessive, since for all of the groups only English or Arabic need be used.
"The real question is to Homeland Security," said Samia El-Badry, an Arab American member of the Census Bureau's decennial census advisory committee. "What are they hiding? Why do they need this?"
James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, said the data sharing was particularly harmful at a time when the Census Bureau is struggling to build trust within Arab American communities. "As this gets out, any effort to encourage people to full compliance with the census is down the tubes," he said. "How can you get people to comply when they believe that by complying they put at risk their personal and family security?"
In 2000, the bureau issued a formal apology for allowing its statistical data to be used to round up Japanese Americans for internment during World War II.
Kenneth Prewitt, the former census director who made the apology, said that given the bureau's history, consideration of requests from law-enforcement agencies requires more than strict parsing of legalities.
"The Census Bureau has a longstanding practice of being unusually cautious about such cooperation because it is difficult to explain to the public," he said. "There is an issue of principle involved as well as law. In World War II we violated our principles even if we didn't violate the law, and we assured people we wouldn't do it again."
The data sharing on Arab Americans was disclosed by the Census Bureau in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

We can't hear you thy keep cutting off peoples heads!!!!

We can not be PC any more these people want to kill you if they donot like it in America they can Get the hell out of America

It is Cowboys and mulsums time!!!

reza stupid woman yes the mulsums are YELLOW

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom, Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

PS
We don't care about if the mulsums like us or not they are the ones who better think about getting us to like them because all I see are killers who need some Cowboy justice

Posted by: Catherine at July 30, 2004 5:59 PM

Harassment? Profiling? Well, what did the muslims expect in the Land of War? A cakewalk through America?

By the way, all of you who are worried about the borders, know that Hispanics can tell each other apart and can tell who's trying to pass for Hispanic. It's the caterpillar eyebrows, the hairiness, the beak noses, the inability to speak Spanish and those unpronounceable arabic names that give them away.

Posted by: 3812Michelle at July 30, 2004 7:45 PM

3812Michelle,

Don't forget the bad breath and body odor.

Posted by: Son of Infidel at July 30, 2004 8:19 PM

okay-someone explain this to me-----how come we could put the Japanese in internment camps but we cannot do that to the arabs---i mean arent we at war???oh wait i know the answer, because of the liberal crybabies who created this shit in the first place. Maybe we need Black Ops here in the U.S. to start taking care of this shit so all the crybabies out there wont find out.

Posted by: resister at July 31, 2004 12:48 AM

I think that there might come a time when they WILL be put into internment camps. But there will probably have to be more attacks before that happens.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 31, 2004 1:19 AM

During the week, I saw Dr Daniel Pipes at Sydney University, speaking on Jihadism and the misnamed “War on Terror”. He was very temperate in all he said, encouraging the empowerment of “Moslem moderates”. These people, he averred, did indeed exist, though they’re today under extreme duress - via a plethora of different methods, on every level of their life and work - by the zealous “Isamist radicals” and their ubiquitous hosts of sympathizers.

This, he claimed, is mainly why so little is ever heard, so seldom and so quietly, and from such a narrow spectrum, of the “moderates”; the great bulk of them are silenced by various hard and soft forms of intimidation and coercion, arising from elements supporting Jihad, steadily growing within their own communities. Pipes saw the staunch Islamo-fascists as a virulent, "organized" minority, estimating their average at 10 - 15%, in an Umma of more than a billion (that totals at least 100 million persons, however), from whom the “moderates” need protection and assistance from the West, since their muteness, axiomatically, lets the “radicals” expand their sway.

He briefly divided contemporary Islamism chiefly into three - simultaneously competing and co-operating - streams: the Moslem Brotherhood (el-Ikhwan el-Muslimin), the Wahabi-derived Jihadis of el-Qaeda (together with its transnational affiliates) and the “Islamic Revolutionists”, Khomeinists, of Iran. In addition, he separated the “War on Terror” into three phases (so far): 1] the period 1979 to 11 September, 2001; 2] 11 Sept up to now; 3] the future.

The Doctor pointed to how, from the overthrow of the Shah in 1979, relations between Iran and America (the “Great Satan”) got increasingly vexed. There were the dangerous tensions caused by the seizing of US hostages in Tehran and in Beirut, to kick things off, and then the deadly suicide-bombings of the US Consulate in Beirut in 1982 and the USMC Barracks there in 1984.

Effectively, Iran had DECLARED WAR on America and was waging it as strongly it could, despite Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Iran in 1980 - which the Iranians viewed as launched expressly at Washington’s behest anyway. In the ‘80s, there were several “Freedom of the Seas” naval clashes in the Persian Gulf between US warships and Iranian gunboats and heavily-armed oil-platforms; an Iranian civil airliner was mis-identified and shot down by the US.

During the mid-1990s, there were at least three terrorist attacks on American interests in Saudi Arabia - following the biggest, a USAF high-rise building in Dhahran, there were mutterings of Iranian complicity, but the summary beheading of a band of culprits by the Sauds, prior to them being given access to the FBI, left the question unplumbed.

Though its Jihadi “Pioneers” had perpetrated their INITIAL strike on the USA in their failed bid to blow up NYC’s Twin Towers back in 1993, later in the ‘90s, offensives against America (like the hits on the American Embassies in Mombasa, Kenya and Dar el-Salaam, Tanzania and upon the USS Cole in Aden, Yemen) were conducted by el-Qaeda, key to the murderous assaults in Saudi Arabia, above, as well. And then came September 11th, 2001.

Further, recently comes news of signs of a greater nexus between el-Qaeda and Iran than had been previously discerned…. Dr Pipes didn’t venture anything about this, but if there IS a sound link discovered, connecting el-Qaeda to Tehran, it’s OBVIOUS which Mideast régime should be the next in America’s sights a for prompt change in its rule.

Posted by: HGII at July 31, 2004 3:12 AM

When was Daniel Pipes at Sydney University?

Posted by: Voltaire at July 31, 2004 3:17 AM

We detected influx of spyware/"registry" modification attempts, I.E.-hijackers,and Trojans from this site. Could a person please contact them for webpage maintinence...cleanup? thankyou

http://p197.ezboard.com/ftheantijihadforumfrm1

Posted by: AvrageJoe at July 31, 2004 6:01 AM

Thanks AverageJoe, I'll let them know.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 31, 2004 6:33 AM

Afrafaste...
Could you run that by me again please? I'm not sure what you meant by that last sentence about 3000 dead arabs in israel, and its connection to Sudan , and I don't know whether you understood my post, I'm against the Sudanese militia and for intervention but I loathe muslims if thats what you're trying to say....please explain.
Rikki

Posted by: Rikki at July 31, 2004 6:47 AM

AverageJoe,

I've posted the information at their website.
Voltaire

Posted by: Voltaire at July 31, 2004 7:00 AM

Thankyou Voltaire.
Much has been seen there these last hours,.. and more shall be...

The SallyBode posts are of particular interest,and are cause for hope.

The....."undesirable code" emanating as pages load is a minor nuisance for us, But for others could disrupt from seeing important info due to >"software corruption"?

Posted by: AvrageJoe at July 31, 2004 9:13 AM

The "popups" are suspect.Small sample follows....

category: System Startup global entry
Change: Value added

Entry: bxxs5

New Data: RunDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\bxxs5.dll,DIIR

another...--------------------------------------

category: Browser Helper Object
Change: Value added

Entry: {0019C3E2-DD48-4A6D-ABCD-8D32436323D

AT LEAST 6 TROJAN HORSE DOWNLOADERS OF "VARIOUS DESCRIPTION

Sorry for any inconvenience,And Thankyou again for your assistance

Posted by: AvrageJoe at July 31, 2004 9:45 AM

Voltaire:

I got Trojan horse warnings at the site also (they were caught and automatically deleted) although I've visited there before with no problem, so this is a new issue. More jihadi mischief!

Posted by: CGW at July 31, 2004 10:40 AM

Rikki....

I just meant that the much fewer casualties in the jihad against israel get so much more play than the genocide going on in Sudan. I shouldn't have diluted my post. The main point is I'm with you on intervention in Sudan. Now it sounds like the Sudanese government is asking for intervention in the context of their response to the UN condemnation and exhortation to "do something in 30 days".
Best,

Posted by: Afrafaste at July 31, 2004 6:13 PM

Voltaire:

Pipes was at Sydney University last Wednesday, 5pm, for his one public lecture in Australia - a full house.

Several in the audience, especially a whining Leftist and an ignorant girl (en hijab), asked such inane, ignorant questions that he must've departed with a perception of the students at Sydney being an incredibly stupid lot!

Posted by: HGII at July 31, 2004 10:46 PM

Afrafaste,
Don't you think that it's high time the UNs other countries like China (which is also a world power) ought to intervene this time though? I'm sick of it always being us (British and Americans) who have to be "gaurdians of the free world".

Posted by: Rikki at August 2, 2004 7:47 AM

Rikki,

You just put a dime in me; hope I don't go on forever and morph into Mentat.

Not an easy question. I think a lot about the UN and how we (Brits, Amers, and I hope we're getting some more like-minded peoples in Eastern Europe since the fall of the USSR) should use it.

I say this because the UN is useful as a place for nations to meet and communicate (and contribute to the economy of NYC); but as far as being effectual in concerted decison making and carrying out of actions they're almost useless at best and disastrous at worst.

Take your reference to China; how can an enslaver of its own population guard the free world? And that's just symptomatic of so many of the members of the UN. Leaders of dictatorships and oligarchies will only go along reluctantly and in a token manner to thwart others like themselves, unless these others pose a direct threat to them. After all, they could be next on the list.

(Just a quick segue: I believe lack of democracy is the main reason for war in the world. When have two democracies ever been at war? Exceptions would include a colony breaking off from a mother democracy e.g America from Britain, South Africa from...er...Britain, the Confederacy from the US....yet even these were due to a lack of democracy from the mother country to colony or whites having black slaves. Wars usually involve at least one totalitarian government.)

Sudan is a test of good intentions; we'd have nothing strategic to gain except saving people by intervention as far as I can see. Having plain murderers in operation, we need brute force to stop them so I'd say we should pressure the UN to contribute personnel to correct the situation, but I'm for intervention by us in any event. So again I'm with you here on wanting to see UN intervention if such a thing can be said to exist. If I had to make a rule of thumb; use the UN for situations needing personnel and zero political subtlety. (One disclaimer: I wonder how much I really know of the Sudanese situation; if there are subtleties I'm unaware of ...i.e what's the motive behind the killings?)

But I want to emphasize that there are cases where exclusion of the UN is necesssary. Consider the Israel-Palestinian problem. I'm loyal by heritage to Israel. Period. But Palestinians are suffering due to the abysmal judgement, first by the Arab nations (from 1948-73) and then by their own leaders (1960's - ??).
I am (as I've stated in previous posts) for seeing the Israelis go into the West Bank and maybe Gaza and building factories and the like(using US money and Israeli management) putting Palestinians to work. Eventually, a prosperous palestinian population could emerge removing the popular base of Hamas and the other groups dedicated to the destruction of Israel. After the current generation has died out, and much hatred assuaged, we can talk about a Palestinian state, but not until the hamas types have died out.

The point here (hope you are still with me, Rikki) is that only the US and Israel should be the ones to help the Palestinians. SUCCESSFUL COUNTRIES ARE BUILT, THEN DECLARED. Let the US and Israel BUILD the Palestinian state (since the Palestinians won't themselves), so that there will be a positive bond between them. If the UN plays a role, the Arabs will always say it was the UN that did it ...."and we still hate Israel"...and there will be no peace. If I sound idealistic, I'm not....but shooting for an ideal usually results in something close.

The "real UN" (countries that can really talk amongst themselves) consists of those countries that go through a turmoil every few years to try to find out who the people want as a leader. I remember a fool calling in to a talk show a little after the November 2000 U.S. Pres. election saying that "the world was laughing at us for not being able to decide who was president". Ok, so the public opinion was so close that the noise in its measurement was greater than the measurement itself. That'll happen. But the fact that such a turmoil exists and yet the country gets beyond it testifies to its long range stability. And then your countries (you're Brit, right?)....Don't Britain and Israel get to vote in or out the current prime minister based on the weather or something....just as California held a recall election (Arnold and Joe Weider gypped me out of $20 when I was 10...well...I should've worked out harder). Anyway, the more effort in deciding whose president, the less it matters who actually is president because democracies live on by virtue of their free populations.

Posted by: Afrafaste at August 2, 2004 1:12 PM

I have a real problem; screwing up homonymns. It's because I write the way I talk.

In the above post, 3rd line from the bottom, I meant "who's" not "whose"...it's actually a typo, i swear it....Spencer, don't ban me from the site...no wait... please, I...-------

Posted by: Afrafaste at August 2, 2004 1:21 PM