Ok, I don't get around as much as some of you, so...

what Leftist site can I visit, which is currently defending this massacre? Keith? A little help here.

Posted by: Gary at September 8, 2004 9:00 AM

AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!

I wanna see which bastard will dare defend this? Reza/ muslim? Vanessa redgraves?!

To something this obscenely horrific, silence is no longer an option. You either speak out against or you agree with these actions.

Posted by: voletti at September 8, 2004 9:01 AM

Reza, Muslim, don't EVEN post to this article. I have read enough of your stupidity to know that somehow/someway you would justify these deplorable atrosities in the name of your "sacred and peaceful" religion. I am sick enough to my stomach as it is just hearing this story unfold even more. SO DON'T DO IT!!!!!

Posted by: frontline_73 at September 8, 2004 9:11 AM

I say it again and again and then again,
and I will keep on saying this
Let us stop the hate and racism.
Let us talk rationally.
I do NOT agree with what happened in Russia
I do NOT agree with killing innocent citizens in any part of the world, unless it is done in by a "resistance" movement to free an occupied land, where the victims should belong to the occupiers and "where there is no other way" to free the land.
A murder is a murder, but also a "right" is a "right", no one can change this.
Iraq has the "right" to be free from all foreigh soldiers. USA should realize this. Nilson confirmed this by approving the "right for each people to choose their own destiny".
And Palesting has the "right" to be free from israeli occupation. And since palestinians forces are not in equal "military" power with the israelis, then the palestinian "resistance" has the right, and should, and must keep on trying to free their land.
And again, killing citizens could be seen as terrorism, but killing "soldiers" is not in any way, and by any means, terrorism. Review your dictionaries and all references to the word terrorism, it does not include killing soldiers in an occupied land.

And I must state again that the "free world" or the UNITED STATES have been selling weapons to those terrorists.
A photo has been released a month ago, taken from a satellite, showing an Iranian nuclear reactor. This photo shows that the nuclear reactor has been made "IN THE USA" and investigations showed that USA sold it to Iran.
Now the USA threatens iran for having nuclear weapons.Why did they sell it to iran in the first place???

And again, let us all work to free all people, all occupied lands, and enjoy peace together.

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 9:16 AM

Oppps...
Speaking of "justified terrorism",
I want everyone in this website to tell me what he thinks about THROWING 2 ATOMIC BOMBS ON JAPAN, KILLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!
In what login can you justify this?
In the name of what did you USA do this?

USA who is preaching the world about freedom, happens to be the ONLY COUNTRY to throw atomic bombs on its ennemies.
Until this time, nobody can justify this. So who gave the USA the right to teach us how to be peaceful?

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 9:20 AM

*chuckles* Ohhh, muslim, did you just step in it.
*waits for the big guns*
I haven't slept since Monday, so I'm bowing out of this one.

Posted by: Gary at September 8, 2004 9:24 AM

The free world is at war with an evil, barbaric 7th century cult of death, that was spawned from the depths of Hell.

The Islamists kill in the most brutal and indiscriminate way.Nothing is sacred to these throat cutting homicidal maniacs.

A six year old child was slaugthered by having a bayonet thrust through his small body after he had asked for some water.

This savage attack on the childern of Beslan, was an attack on all humanity.

It is time to ratchet up the war on Islam and clean out the rats nest of these Islamic vermin.

Posted by: Son of Infidel at September 8, 2004 9:32 AM

OT:
"You people should know that "Rikki" and "Rightwing" (aka "Son of Infidel") are regular posters at the notorious far-right Antimuslim hate site Jihad Watch"

Sonny,
I don't think he(muslim) even fooled the socialist vermin(LOL) with that crap

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 9:37 AM

OT:

Someone posted the other day about porn sites run by a muslim displaying women's "assets" while keeping their heads covered by scarves. Apparently the purveyor of such filth is also of the "worldwide shariah rule/islamic caliphate" persuasion. Whoever posted or knows about the site, please give me some further info. I'd like to see some writing samples of any islamist propaganda posted on the sites.

Thanks,

CGW

Posted by: CGW at September 8, 2004 9:37 AM

Gee, I guess rape and stabbing babies to death also allows entry into paradise with the virgins, young boys, etc. What an interesting religion Islam is. What great contributions this religion has offered mankind...NOT!!!!!!

I'm reminded of a story I've heard several times. In the midst of battle, a Russian soldier in Nazi Germany enters a home and finds an elderly, sick German woman in bed on the second floor. He carries the woman out of bed, about to carry her out and evacuate her to safety. But, upon remembering the atrocities that the Nazis perpetrated against the Russians, he heaves the woman out of the second story window.

Why is this story relevant? Well, if the Chechen Islamists wanted to remind and reinforce for the Russians what they need to do to the Moslem Chechens and assorted Islamic fascists, the video that the terrorists made and all the horror stories coming out will steel the Russian army to kill without prejudice.

Why is Grozny still standing? Stay tuned, folks! Death to Global Jihad. Only complete destruction of Islam will bring peace.

F**kin' baby killers.

Posted by: pcsny at September 8, 2004 9:42 AM

Muslim,
You rat, what did the muslims do to try and stop the Japs and Nazis in WW2.
Nothing they sat back and let the "free world" (there I'm actually sneering at your sneer quotes) save their filthy necks for them.

More to the point, did the attack on Pearl Harbour escape your notice!!!
Of course it did, you muslims seem to have a knack for ignoring what suits you.
Your kind only condemn slaughters as brutal as the Beslan massacre, to try to defend the image of your reeking death-cult, or as I spotted on a islamic extremist website muslims were more pissed off at the fact that muslims were among the mutilated hostages, but like the christian ones fuck them it's okay their only infidels they're expendable.

As I say time and time again, I'll stop hating muslims when they stop hating christians (the religion of my family) hindus (the religion of some of my distant relatives) and jews( the religion of many of my friends).
Muslims have done nothing but cause nuisance to my life so don't expect any kind of sympathy for your kind from me.

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 9:46 AM

My dear Muslim,
You are fighting a losing battle.. you are trying to keep a peaceful face to the religion of the sword. I know you are probably a decent man. but over generations Muslims have been brainwashed to only see and think of Islam as the way.
anyone who is non muslim is Najess.. meaning as dirty as a pig or a dog and a good muslim has to wash three times after touching them.
I know! I've been there and done that my firend.

about raping kids!
this is how it is justified:
Mohammad himself authorized marrying a child at the age of 9!! women are adults at the age of 9.

and it is a sin to kill a virgin.
Soooo is you want to kill a 9 year old you must rape her (do her a religious favor) before killing her.

look at alternative ot islam.. beleive me "anything" is better.

Posted by: bigdoor at September 8, 2004 9:51 AM

Muslim,
Muslims don't know the meaning of the word peace (more accurately they seem to confuse it with the "piece", "pieces" of mutilated children, "pieces" of land that don't belong to them, and of course tearing any chance of peace in Iraq to "pieces")

Look folks if your laughing at that rather tacky comparison of english words sounding the same, note that I've been up all night, I'm rusty ukay(please read in Mr.Garrison,@ Southpark School,tone of voice)

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 9:52 AM

CGW,
I believe the dude in question is SoCal (aka Calisto)

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 9:54 AM

"Let us stop the hate and racism."

hate - yes, for the dispicable, inhuman acts.
racism - against what race? Islam is not a race, it is a religion.

"I do NOT agree with killing innocent citizens in any part of the world, unless it is done in by a "resistance" movement to free an occupied land, where the victims should belong to the occupiers and "where there is no other way" to free the land.
A murder is a murder, but also a "right" is a "right", no one can change this.
Iraq has the "right" to be free from all foreigh soldiers. USA should realize this."

YOU should also realise that killing foreign soldiers and innocents is NOT what all the people of Iraq want. YOU DO NOT speak for the Iraqi people, you speak for your own warped interpretation of Islam. Many, many Iraqi people view the America soldiers as liberating them from Saddam Hussein, and as occupiers in their land. The difference from you in that view of occupation? They want them to help establish security and stability, and then they want the US to leave, and they will.

"And Palesting has the "right" to be free from israeli occupation. And since palestinians forces are not in equal "military" power with the israelis, then the palestinian "resistance" has the right, and should, and must keep on trying to free their land.
And again, killing citizens could be seen as terrorism, but killing "soldiers" is not in any way, and by any means, terrorism. Review your dictionaries and all references to the word terrorism, it does not include killing soldiers in an occupied land."

ter•ror•ism /terrzm/ noun [U] the use of violent action in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to act. OXFORD DICTIONARY

In case you haven't noticed, there weren't very many soldiers in the two buses that were blown up a week or so ago. The targets WERE civilians. You know, the easiest and most helpless targets that are the usual targets? Additionally, if you are looking for the dictionary to excuse you from the acts of barbarism, you won't find it.

"Now the USA threatens iran for having nuclear weapons.Why did they sell it to iran in the first place???"

Are you suggesting then, that Iran should not be trusted with the ability to produce power through nuclear generation? Hmmm, why?

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 8, 2004 9:54 AM

"Sonny,
I don't think he(muslim) even fooled the socialist vermin(LOL) with that crap"

Right you are Rikki,

Muslim, that Islamic-puke, accomplishes nothing by posting his imbecilic rantings.

He is just and insigator and agitator who is incapable of carrying on an intelligent and honest debate.

Posted by: Son of Infidel at September 8, 2004 9:59 AM

Rikki,
First of all my mother is christian, so how can i hate christians? i have uncles and aunts who are christians, and "I live in a christian populated area", most of my neighbours are my friends.
About the jews, we do not have jews, at least I don't, and my religion does not allow me to hate anybody who "has a holy book", which means christians and jews.
I am against "zionists", and "israelis". Why? simply because the stole our arab land, and committed massacres in Sabra and Chatila, and in Qana, killing as many children as you can imagin.
About pearl harbor, this does not justify THROWING AN ATOMIC BOMB on innocent people and killing 100000s. This is a lot larger than a massacre, and a lot more died than the WTC, this is the biggest disaster in the history of the world. And after all,pearl harbor was not a populated area, it was a military area, and in wars, bombing military areas is necessary. While hiroshima and nagazaki, these are populated areas!!!
So let me ask you something:
do you agree with throwing these 2 bombs?
if yes, then what's the difference between this and what saddam did to the kurds (throwing bombs on them)? after all the kurds were the ennemy of "saddam's iraq" and where working against him.
So back to my question: which did more damage?
and which killed more innocents? saddam or USA in hiroshima??
let me know your answer.

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 10:01 AM

Moose well said.A lot more thorough a whupping than I can be bothered dishing out today.

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 10:02 AM

To muslim

You argue for the USA to get out of iraq becuase they are some sort of oppressor of the iraqi people...hmmm...they arn't opressing people like all the countries in the region (middle east) do...Could this be because the USA is a secular democracy and all the other countries in the region are brutal dictatorships that have no independent (practical working) institutions to restrict governments committing atrocities against their own people. If the usa did want to oppress you why are they doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to give you the opportunity of VOTING IN your first DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT IN DECADES...AND DOING EVERYTHING TO STOP ALL THE POTENTIAL DICTATORS AND THEIR THUGS FROM COMING TO POWER AND STOPPING THOSE FREE ELECTIONS....HMMMM???? So...I can't even remotely logically reason how this is oppression of iraq by the usa...YOUR THINKING IS VERY ILLOGICAL. Also the usa made a decision in ww2...either sacrifice hundreds of thousands of us soldiers in a bladbath invasion of Japan (that would have killed hundreds of thousands more of japanese) or drop two nuclear bombs on japan and end the war quickly...the death toll ended up being far less becuase of the usa's decision.

Posted by: obl r us at September 8, 2004 10:06 AM

And I must state again that the "free world" or the UNITED STATES have been selling weapons to those terrorists.
A photo has been released a month ago, taken from a satellite, showing an Iranian nuclear reactor. This photo shows that the nuclear reactor has been made "IN THE USA" and investigations showed that USA sold it to Iran.
Now the USA threatens iran for having nuclear weapons.Why did they sell it to iran in the first place???

And again, let us all work to free all people, all occupied lands, and enjoy peace together.

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 09:16 AM

Another mussi on drugs he must be taken his stuff instead of selling it?

ISLAMIC MONSTERS STABED A 18 MO. BABY HOW MANY TIMES BECAUSE HE RAN OUT OF BULLETS?

NOW I CALL THAT A YELLOW COWARD ! Yea defend your islamic monster friends?

Like Putian said REMEMBER WE GOT NUKES!!!
God Bless the Russian People who have enter this Fight with the USA the only one to ever use Nukes and we did FORGIVE OURSELVES AND WILL DO SO AGAIN!!!

We the USA will fight this over there not over here?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her Russia too give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist Amen

Ps
You dumb sh-t the onlt mulsum land is a sh-t hole in S.A. and you all can go back their and die of starvation CAN YOU EAT OIL?

Posted by: Catherine at September 8, 2004 10:09 AM

Watch these clips and weep for these children and their future, I did.

http://www.pmw.org.il/

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 8, 2004 10:13 AM

Moose,
"ter•ror•ism /terrzm/ noun [U] the use of violent action in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to act. OXFORD DICTIONARY"
I guess that applies to most USA activities in Iraq.
USA used "violent action" (bombing an killing) in order to achieve "polical aims" (which is search for mass destruction weapons,steal the oil...).
So why can't we call USA a terrorist?

You see? the term terrorism applies to any party in almost any war.
What I want to say is that your posts here grows hatred towards muslims and the arab "race". This is called "racism".

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 10:14 AM

Muslim,
The attack on Pearl Harbour was a despicable sneakttack, and despite what you may think was amongst a small Haiwan town where civilians were present, as well as all the medical staff...etc.

And yes I do justify the bombs being dropped.
There is no comparison to the Kurds and the hugh global military threat of the nazis and japs. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended the war practically overnight thereby preventing millions more deaths ( adding to the 52million+ that had already died).

As for your hate of "zionists", arabic muslims believe that Jews should not be allowed to live on the Arabian peninsula (out of sheer prejudice more than anything), as they are defiling islamic holy ground.
If you retrieve your history books you will notice that jews had settled on a significant portion of the peninsula, until the dark armies of mohammed practically vanquished or exhiled them.

Even so,even if that were not the case it still wouldn't alter the fact that the suicide bombers, which make up a majority percentage of attacks by islamic terrorists (Palestine or otherwise), tend to target Israeli civilians rather than actual military targets.

May I also ask you why you were forced to become a muslim, when one of your parents is christian?
Did your parents not afford you with the luxury of choice, or is it that your father wouldn't let you become an infidel like his inferior female, infidel wife?

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 10:15 AM

It seems as though muslim is also ignorant of history. He/she/it asks the basic question "Why did the horrible and oppressive USA nuke peaceful Japan?" Well muzzie, Japan started it. They got what they deserved. In war, there are no such things "innocent civilians". It is not a well known fact that the allied forces (Britain, US and Canada) killed as many people in one night, during the bombing of Nuremburg, that died in either the Nagasaki or Hiroshima bombings. Yet we do not hear the cries of anguish for the poor German civilians who died that evening. Why? Because they deserved it! They supported an evil regime that wanted to control the world. Our ancestors saw the problem very clearly, it was either them or us. Today, an increasingly large number of people are coming to the same conclusion regarding our problems with Islamo-fascists, like our good freind muslim. It is either them, or us.

Posted by: Buck at September 8, 2004 10:16 AM

I have Arab friends muslim, I do not hate Arabs and I am not a racist. Nice try, but go ahead and try and marginalize my opinions further...

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 8, 2004 10:16 AM

obl r us,
I did not say i want USA out of iraq because they are opressing people.
I said want it out simply because they don't belong there.
Because they came there to search for mass destruction weapons and found nothing!
and because they protected the oil while they left the iraqi musium for theives. All that america wants in iraq is OIL, OIL AND THEN OIL.
America does not really care about democracy in Iraq.
And there is no reason for america to stay there anymore, and have their soldiers die and cry over them ever other day.
Just let the iraqis elect a governor and leave!
And most iraqis DON'T want the USA in there, according to polls made on Aljazeera and other tvs.

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 10:18 AM

To muslim

Be grateful the usa is protecting you from the islamist theofascists bastards that raped those girls and butchered hundreds of children in Beslan...would you like people like that governing over your children? This is a real possibility if the usa left Iraq and mad islamic theofascists like Sadr came to power...or Sadam Loyalists. Iran also has designs on your country too...and they are a nasty peice of totalitarian work...maybe with the usa gone and your army non-existant/powerless you could watch with impunity as they set up a puppet Iraqi theofascist government and your country begins entering into the long dark night of theofascism oppression.

Stop calling the liberation of Iraq from Saddam (super tyrant) by the usa as oppression...this is typical totalitarian doublespeak...You people in the midlde east need to stop this type of pro-totalitarian speech. We in the west have heard your sort of language all before. Evil is good...democracys are dictorships...liberators are oppressors blah blah blah.

Posted by: obl r us at September 8, 2004 10:19 AM

Buck,
nice comment,
you said "in war there is not such things as civilians",
So since there is war between paletine and israel, THERE IS NO SUCH THINGS AS CIVILIANS AND TERRORISM!!
Don't look at the world with one eye, and what applied to the USA at that time, also applies now in palestine.

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 10:21 AM

Muslim,
BTW Moose asked you a question, we give you the respect of answering your(sometimes rather dumb-founding) questions.

That question was:

Are you suggesting then, that Iran should not be trusted with the ability to produce power through nuclear generation? Hmmm, why?

Moose

You have proven by your very own statements and questions that you must realise,deep down that Iran, and the mad-mullah regime at it's helm, are hellbent on causing a middle eastern apocalypse.

Your refusal to answer the question further confirms this.

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 10:23 AM

obl r us,
We don't want USA to free us from anybody, if we want to do it, we can do it by ourselves.
Saddam was no danger to the world.
And Iran is no danger also, on the contrary, iran is a democratic country and is helping my country in every possible way, so I should be greateful to Iran. Iran has never been a danger
and the muslims there are living in peace. Of course should america or israel interfer, there won't be peace anymore

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 10:26 AM

I did not say i want USA out of iraq because they are opressing people.
I said want it out simply because they don't belong there.

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 10:18 AM

Muslim,
Their are a lot of Brits who don't want the muslim asylum seekers/illegal immigrants that are milking our economy, in the UK, because they don't belong there.But we have to put up with your lunatic imams preaching hate for the country that has accepted you in it,and your fanatics burning the Union Jack, in front of Buckingham palace.
It's the same thing in my view, muslims are occupying our country, many want to overthrow it, yet still we are letting your vile ilk pile in.

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 10:31 AM

So back to my question: which did more damage?
and which killed more innocents? saddam or USA in hiroshima??
let me know your answer.

Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 10:01 AM

WW2 Yea we dropped the Bomb Twice and have no regreats stopped a war that killed 400,000 Americans but the world lost 50,000,000 Think how many lifes it saved?

You little punk would not be here now if the Grandparents of the USA,Russia,Canda,Assuis,England did not Fight to FREE the world from the death cults!!

Little punk even the Japanes do not hold a grudge for the bombings?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist Amen

Posted by: Catherine at September 8, 2004 10:31 AM

Muslim, lets take a few of your points and discuss them.

"Let us stop the hate and racism"

I would certainly agree to that. What are your feelings on the situation in the Sudan? The Arab Muslims sure seem hell bent on the destruction of the black population of the country, be they either Christian, animist, or Muslim. I think that the general silence of the entire Muslim world on that subject says a great deal about hate and racism on the part of the Muslim world.

"Let us talk rationally"

Mr. Spencer does so as is constantly referred to as a hatemonger, an Islamaphobe, or any other denigrating description that can be used to shut off dialog.

"I do NOT agree with killing innocent citizens in any part of the world, unless it is done by a resistance movement..."

Of course, the special place a "resistance" has in your worldview pretty much allows said resistance to kill anyone indiscriminantly. This is why Israeli children die by gunfire or bomb. What I find truly appalling is that they die because some other child has been brainwashed into becoming a walking explosive device. Why do these "brave" Palestinian freedom fighters kill their own children this way?

"Nilson confirmed this by approving the "right for each people to choose their own destiny"."

And there lies the entire problem with Islam. There is no choice for anybody who lives under the Islamic thumb, including the Muslims themselves. I don't have statistics, but I do know that for a follower of Mohammed that decides to no longer follow is an invitation to death at the hands of those who claim to be of the "Religion of Peace". to simply not follow is also to invite death, or at the very least the humiliation and difficulties of being Dhimmi, neither of which are in keeping with the "right for each people to choose their own destiny". The stated goal of Islam, moderate or radical, is a global domination, which is what most people posting here are unwilling to submit to.

"...And Palesting has the "right" to be free from israeli occupation."

And Israel has the right to be free of Palestinian "freedom fighters". There has always been a Jewish presence in that disputed land, and THEY were the ones who turned the area into a place the Palestinians want to live in. The U.N. made the decision to create the state of Israel, but the attacks on said country have been ongoing since 1948. The crushing defeats that the Muslim invaders had to swallow led to the "occupation" of Palestine, the Sinai, etc. This is Israel's answer to the invader who does not wish for them to "choose their own destiny".

Considering that the Palestinians also included a significant Christian population, I just have to ask where the Chistian Palestinian freedom fighters and walking bombs are? Why arent they up in arms about the Israeli occupation? Whay aren't they out there killing the invader?

Your other argument with reference to nuclear reactor is without merit. Selling a reactor to produce electricity and the subsequent modification of that reactor to create weapons-grade radioactives are entirely different subjects.

Posted by: Walker Colt at September 8, 2004 10:33 AM

Saddam was no danger to the world.

Somebodies been watching "Farenheit 9/11"!!!

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 10:33 AM

Muslim:

Do you think that the British have the right to get rid of muslims in their country?

Posted by: Voltaire at September 8, 2004 10:36 AM

Little punk even the Japanes do not hold a grudge for the bombings?

Posted by: Catherine at September 8, 2004 10:31 AM

Catherine,
You've got it spot on there baby!!! Actually the Japs are more remorseful to the fact that they were allies to one of the most dangerous cults of modern times (thats the nazis y'all).

Muslims simply using it as an excuse for the millions of deaths islam is responsible for.

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 10:37 AM

Muslim (it's great that you can use his name and it's like you're condemning them all) is a hypocrit.
He pleads for us not to be racist yet is against the jews being given land which is rightfully theirs (to be more on target; less land than is rightfully theirs), even after they'd had been exiled during WWII (just as they had during Mohammed's reign of terror).

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 10:45 AM

Muslim,
BTW there is no such place as Palestine, it's just a place arabs thought up, with $ signs popping upin their eyes.

Posted by: Rikki at September 8, 2004 10:48 AM

I did not say i want USA out of iraq because they are opressing people.
I said want it out simply because they don't belong there.
Because they came there to search for mass destruction weapons and found nothing!
Posted by: muslim at September 8, 2004 10:18 AM

Is not mulsum is just another lib?

well here goes soory for those who aready know the Facts?

September 2, 2004
Yes the Russians took the side of the Mulsums over the Jews they were afraid of the Jews because of the Freedom that they wanted so now the Mulsums have brought a real fear of?
WHAT COWARDS THEY ARE TO CUT A MANS THROUT WITH HIS HANDS TIED BEHIND HIS BACK BUT THIS TIME THEY DID NOT CUT HIS HEAD OFF THEY STOPPED HALF WAY SO THEY COULD LAY ON THE GROUND TO WATCH REAL CLOSE AS HE WAS TRYING TO BREATH THESE ARE THE MONSTERS WHO NEED TO BE KILLED AND ANY ONE WHO MAKES AN EXCUSE FOR THEM TOO JUST TO MAKE SURE!!!
Yes this is for Russia to become the wonderful country and be Free ! You’re your support for the Terrorist states[Mulsums]

Now to the real Pork!!

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 10:41 p.m. EDT
New Iraq Chief: Evidence Linking Saddam to 9/11 Is 'Genuine' News Max
The man tapped to head Iraq's new interim government has vouched for the authenticity of evidence that links Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks.
Though the notion that Iraq played a role in 9/11 is considered heresy in U.S. intelligence circles, newly appointed Iraq Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said in December that a document purported to be from Saddam's intelligence service that places lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta in Baghdad two months before the attacks was indeed "genuine."
"We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda," Allawi told the London Telegraph at the time. "But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far. It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaeda, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks."
As reported by the Telegraph at the time, the document - a handwritten memo dated July 1, 2001 - provides a short resume of a three-day "work program" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's terrorist training camp in Baghdad.
Nidal was executed by Saddam's secret police in August 2002 in what some suspect was a bid to keep him from telling what he knew about 9/11.

Well I Lied here is the Pork!

RACISM:

Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”

So all the killing of black mulsums by arabs is normal? So why have Black American joined mulsums? They want to be killed by arabs?

had to show mulim what the arabs think of him?

Lets get to the real pork?

as for WMDs?

Radioactive Missiles Found In Iraq
Charles R. Smith
Tuesday, Mar. 9, 2004
U.S. Army troops operating at a former Iraqi air base recently made a startling discovery: Russian made missiles marked with radioactive warning signs.

Confessions of Al-Qaida Suspects Who Allegedly Planned Attacks Aired
NewsMax Wires
Tuesday, Apr. 27, 2004
AMMAN, Jordan - Al-Qaida plotted bomb and poison gas attacks against the U.S. Embassy and other targets in Jordan, suspects confessed in a videotape that aired Monday on Jordanian state television. A commentator said the plotters hoped to kill 80,000 people

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3872201.stm

The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month.
"This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham in a statement.
He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists".

BY JAMES TARANTO
Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:39 p.m. EDT
Spinning the Sarin
Tests confirm that artillery shell that blew up in Iraq did indeed contain sarin--between three quarts' and a gallon's worth, Fox News reports. The New York Times buries the story on page 11 (something about weddings in Massachusetts led the front page, bizarrely enough), and it's shot through with pro-Saddam spin:

There is much more but you see once again your Lies do not work here!!

The Squirrel hunnters are out!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Russia too give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat Islamic Terrorist Amen

OBTW Mussi what do you have to say about this in the qu-ran?

RACISM:

Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”

So all the killing of black mulsums by arabs is normal? So why have Black American joined mulsums? They want to be killed by arabs?

Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’

Posted by: Catherine at September 8, 2004 10:56 AM

I tend to agree that there is not necessarily such a thing as "terrorism". However, we use the term to describe acts of war when the perpetrator is not necessarily a traditional nation state. So yes, Israel is at war with a group of people that refers to themselves as "Palestinians". History shows me that the "Palestinains" started this war and they continue towage war against Israel to this day. The only end to this war will be when one side bombs the other into complete and utter submission, much as we did to both the Germans and Japanese in WW2. Since Israel is the only true democracy in the middle-east, we in the civilaized world, ust throw our lot in with them. Simply put, the Palestinians will get what they deserve. Surrender or death and matters not to me which they choose. After the Palestinians have been bombed into submission, they will be much better off, as Japan and Germany were better off after their tyrannical regimes were removed and repleced with goverments that were forced to allow democracy and capitalism to thrive. The inevitable defeat of Palestine will be a boon to the people who describe themselves as "Palestinians". The same logic holds true for much of the Islamic world. The Islamic world is in a horrible state ruled by a mixture of warlords, preachers and dictators. I think we (meaning the civilized world) are one major attack away from reaching a state of mind where we recognize that we are in fact at war with a group of people that we describe as "Islamofacists". Accrodingly, we will wage war against the entire Islamic world and bomb them into complete and utter submission. We will then replace this mixture of assorted dictators with a series of governments that will be forced to allow democracy and capitalism to thrive. And yes, there will be many muslims who will die as a result fo this war. But, we have to remember that they will deserve it.

Posted by: Buck at September 8, 2004 10:57 AM

Muslim,

Who do you think you are kidding with the oil routine. We are the most powerful superpower on the planet, so if it was about the oil we'd have owned Iraq 10 years ago never mind Kuwait or SA. We don't even buy most of our oil from the ME anyway, so your arguement is useless.

Further more, if you are Iraqi, I'll eat my hat because it clearly shows from your posts. First of all, Iraqis hate Iran and they know how Iran is funding, equipping Sadr and company against the Iraqis. The one thing Iraqis don't want to become is another Iran with mad Mullahs. No one is buying the Iran is a free country routine either; just ask the 16 year old girl who was hung a few weeks ago for speaking her mind. "Muslims there are living in peace", give me a break; you don't think the rest of us can read or talk with Iranians online. If you were an Iraqi you would not be quoting polls from "Arab News". Give it up.

As to Iraq, you are again trying to pull the wool over our eyes. If the US left the day after the war, things would be EXACTLY the same. Why? There would be the same power plays by the Islamists like Sadr with backing by Iranians. You tell me how many Iranians have been arrested/killed in Najaf in the last month. Same with Falluja and the Sunnis with their Syrian and Jordanian support. Only the Kurds seem to be behaving along with most of the Iraqi population who just want to get on with the future of Iraq.

You are so full of baloney it's not even funny. The real shame is you are willing to sell out Iraqis just because of your racist beliefs.

Posted by: M at September 8, 2004 10:58 AM

Hi all,
Like to ask since when current state israel is to be considered arab islamic land?

Might as well say that the middle east should be considered as Mogolian land. Or could it be Macedonian land? Italian/Roman land?

Posted by: callistos at September 8, 2004 10:58 AM

"We don't want USA to free us from anybody, if we want to do it, we can do it by ourselves."

Just like in Afghanistan? You stated yourself that OBL took the help of the United States because is was offered to push back the Soviet Union. That was in America's best interest, and in OBL's best interest so it happened. You cannot get away from the fact that OBL and America worked together to achieve that goal.

"Saddam was no danger to the world."

Post 9/11, America and the rest of the world (through the UN) was not going to wait and see if that was true. When deadline after deadline expired in an attempt to peacfully determine that fact - the decision was made to make sure. Not every country that threatened force in UN resolutions were ready to use it when the deadlines passed - Thankfully America was.

"I did not say i want USA out of iraq because they are opressing people.
I said want it out simply because they don't belong there."

AGAIN, this is only your opinion and not the opinion of all Iraqi's. Many Iraqi's believe that that the "resistance" is more of a threat to their lives and their future than the American occupation.

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 8, 2004 11:06 AM

Muslim,

It takes force to liberate Iraq because Islam is and has always used force and cruel violence to expand.
Americans are heroes in my opinion and the future children of Iraq will thank them for their freedom.

If you dont live in an Islamic country as you say your friends are Christians etc etc. you have NO clue about what islam is.
Go and live there! see with your own eyes how a poor innocent woman gets acid poured on her face because she doens't wear the damned hijab..
THAT IS ISLAM in practice.

if you ask me, you are getting a much better treatment in a Christian country than you would ever get in an Islamic country. And you are a muslim!!!!!
dump it my friend.. dump it.. for the sake of peace.

Posted by: bigdoor at September 8, 2004 11:09 AM

To muslim.

Your countrymen were completely ineffective in toppling saddam over the so many decades he was in power decimating the kurds and killing shiites with impunity...make no mistake saddam would still be raping and slaughtering your population with impunity today if it wasn't for the usa. Nope your people didn't get rid of saddam while they were being brutalised did they...how could they? Even if Gandi was an iraqi he would have died very quickly before doing anything effective. You say that Saddam was no danger to the world?...tell that to the Iranians and the Iraqis (after Iraqs/saddams invasion of their countries)...P.S. he was also a pretty nasty threat to your people too wasn't he. Saddams rape rooms, his mega mass graves of the innocents and lowering dissidents into vats of acid....YUK!!!! IRAN A DEMOCRACY? HMMM? The clerics just banned virtually all the pro-democratic candidates for the next elections and the clerics constantly veto the decisions of what is left of their rigged parliament...90 percent of Iranians are feed up with the clerics taking away their right to vote in the demcoratic candidates they want and vetoeing the decisions of the parliament that is left...by the way the soviet union held elections but the soviet government always appointed who could run for those elections ensuring a dictatorship like in Iran. Nope Iran is as democratic as the soviet union was and similarly brutal with aspiring democratic candidates. By your pro-totalitarian doublespeak I doubt you are really interested in democracy...if you are then stop saying/trying to support a iranian theocracy and bashing the country (the USA) that is giving your country its only hope for democracy. Do what is in your country's and your family's best interests ok?..don't give theocracies and saddams dictatorship verbal support at the expense of democracies trying to help you and your country.

Posted by: obl r us at September 8, 2004 11:20 AM

To muslim

I say again be thankfull THe USA is making sure people like the beslan theofascists (who delight in raping children and slaughtering them) don't come to power in your country.

Posted by: obl r us at September 8, 2004 11:22 AM

FYI below - the entire story from the UK Mirror - in the event the link Robert put in the posting gets lost...

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THEY KNIFED BABIES, THEY RAPED GIRLS
Sep 5 2004

UK - Sunday Mirror

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/tm_objectid=14605550&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=they-knifed-babies--they-raped-girls-name_page.html

By Euan Stretch Chief Reporter


THE full horror of the Russian school atrocity began to emerge yesterday as traumatised children told horrific tales of stabbed babies and brutal rapes.

It has also emerged that scores of the 323 who died - including many children - had been shot in the back.

While despairing soldiers and rescue workers moved among the growing pile of body bags, it was revealed that an 18-month-old baby had been repeatedly stabbed by a black-clad terrorist who had run out of ammunition.

Other survivors told how screaming teenage girls were dragged into rooms adjoining the gymnasium where they were being held and raped by their Chechen captors who chillingly made a video film of their appalling exploits

They said children were forced to drink their own urine and eat the petals off the flowers they had brought their teachers after nearly three days without food or water in the stifling hot gym.

Their stories came as Russian officials warned that the final death toll of the siege of Middle School No 1 at Beslan in North Ossetia - in which up to 1,200 people were held captive - was likely to be more than 400.

The official toll yesterday stood at 323 which included 156 children, 10 Russian soldiers and two emergency service workers - 35 of the hostage-takers were also killed. Last night 434 people were being treated in hospital with 247 children and 85 adults in a critical condition.

A Russian official said six seriously injured children had been taken to Moscow for treatment.

"One of them is a child, just 18 months old, with many knife wounds," he said.

The Chechen terrorists - including two so-called "Black Widows" - had been meticulously planning the hostage-taking for months.

High explosives and ammunition had been smuggled into the building during the summer by rebels disguised as workmen.

A shocking account of the siege has come from Indira Dzetskelova, the mother of 12-year-old Dzerase who was guarded by two women suicide bombers during the siege. She said: "On the first day they shot a man before my daughter's eyes. They frightened the kids by saying that water in the tap was poisoned.

"The famished children had to eat rose petals from bouquets which they specially bought for their teachers to mark the first day of term. Parents who were also captured had to feed their kids with all the window plants.

"After they ate all the petals, my daughter said that she started to nibble the rose plants.

"She told me that several 15-year-old girls were raped by terrorists. She heard their terrible cries and screams when those monsters took them away."

Her traumatised daughter Dzerase sobbed as she added: "When the assault started, some of us were running out through the school dining room.

"We had to run across and jump over dead bodies. Can I ever forget it? Is it possible that one day I will forget it?

"The terrorists started to shoot from the roof, then one of them ran into the dining room and started to shoot from the window.

"I saw kids and women falling to the ground. And I saw that vermin's face. I saw his smile as he killed my friends."

Diana Gadzhieva, 14, was held with her sister Akinba, aged 11. She told how the rebels executed all the adult men in a room upstairs and how she was forced to lie face down on the gym floor.

She said: "There was not enough space for us and we were lying on top of each other. The rebels needed paths to walk around the gym. They shouted they would shoot anyone whose arm or leg was across their paths.

"They also said they would kill anyone who looked up.

"We saw groups of men hostages going out and never coming back."

She also told of the moments when the bloody firefight started and how the rebels triggered a series of explosions inside the gym.

Diana said: "There was terrible panic and a few boys jumped out of the windows. My sister and I did not want to run out - we were scared of being shot.

"But then the second explosion happened and something heavy fell down on us. I saw children around me lying in blood and not moving.

"Just next to me there was a woman covered in blood. She was dead. I also saw many arms and legs, torn from bodies.

"All the bombs were connected with cords and started blowing up one after another, getting closer and closer to us.

"I took Alina's hand and we ran to the window and jumped out. We were running as quickly as possible - our backs were terribly hot from the fires."

Zalina Vazagova, 13, also told of the terrifying moment when a bomb exploded in the gym ceiling.

She explained: "I heard a terrible crack above my head and closed my eyes. When I opened them, I thought I was dead. There was so much blood around me.

"One granny was lying with a hole in her head. My PE teacher, Ivan Konstantinovich's body hit my leg.

"All the kids were crying, 'Please don't shoot! Please don't kill us'. But the rebels did not listen to us.

"Then I saw an open window and just jumped out. My little sister Lena was left inside there." And sobbing, she added: "I don't know if she's alive. She was only ten."

Survivors say the gymnasium and surrounding corridors had been rigged with at least 18 bombs, connected by cables and trip wires.

Two bombs were placed in the hoops of basketball nets and at either ends of the gymnasium.

A "Black Widow" is thought to have blown herself up in front of more than 1,000 hostages, prompting the deadly fire-fight and triggering a further serious of explosions inside the gymnasium.

At least three rebels were thought to have been captured alive in the school's basement - but were later said to have died.

One disguised herself as a teacher leading children to safety. She was apparently shot dead seconds before trying to blow herself up in a nearby hospital.

Another was apparently shot dead and beheaded by his comrades for trying to surrender.

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WE HAD TO DRINK OUR URINE

HOSTAGE Sima Albegova told how the Chechen rebels became angry when they heard President Vladimir Putin was not visiting the school.

Sima, a school cook, said: "The terrorists treated the kids well during first day, they did let them drink and go to toilet.

"But right after they found out that Putin was not coming, they forbade the kids from going to the toilet.

"We asked them, 'Why are you doing this to us?' They said it was because we voted for Putin.

"And they said he doesn't care about you. He won't even come here to talk to us."

By Friday morning conditions were so bad that people could hardly breathe.

She added: "Most of kids were almost unconsciousness. Those who could move started to pee into shoes and then drink urine.

"They would make several sips of urine and then would stop and cry because their lips were chapped and the urine stung their skin.

"I would run to the terrorists and asked them to let kids drink.

"They said, 'Go away, they'll survive'. But so many of them have not."

_________________

MY LITTLE BOY WAS LEFT TO DIE

A YOUNG mother told how she was released early with her two-month-old daughter - but her five-year-old son was forced to stay.

Salimat Suleimanova said: "I begged them on my knees to let me take Shamil out with me, but they wouldn't - now I don't know where he is.

"It was his first day at school."

She is overwhelmed by guilt for coming out with her baby daughter.

"They didn't allow me to go back and say goodbye to my little boy," she said.

She added: "So many children lay unconscious without food and water. Occasionally the rebels took those out, poured water onto their heads and threw them back."

Posted by: jeffreyimm at September 8, 2004 11:23 AM

..."it was revealed that an 18-month-old baby had been repeatedly stabbed by a black-clad terrorist who had run out of ammunition."

..."screaming teenage girls were dragged into rooms adjoining the gymnasium where they were being held and raped by their Chechen captors who chillingly made a video film of their appalling exploits."

..."children were forced to drink their own urine and eat the petals off the flowers they had brought their teachers after nearly three days without food or water in the stifling hot gym."

Jihad Watch Posters:

The actions above are the result of pure evil...do not be tempted to be drawn into debate with those who attempt to justify these acts.

Know the enemy. Is it not clear what we are dealing with?

Posted by: jawa at September 8, 2004 11:31 AM

Mr Voltaire asks "Do you think that the British have the right to get rid of muslims in their country?"

What a politically incorrect question to ask! The correct answer ofcourse is NO. They pay their way in society , pay their taxes, businesses, practice the culture, help build magnificent Mosques and preach and preserve Islam....just like any other community.

It also helps to diversfy the cultural mix in cites like Birmingham and Manchester..Need | say more!!!

Posted by: Naseem at September 8, 2004 11:40 AM

Actually, it is a good thing that people like muslim are posting, so we can see how he supports the kind of atrocities we have seen in Russia and Israel. Notice that muslim argues that the terrorists in Iraq and Israel have the right to wage terrorism and he completely ignores what this post is supposed to be about. Muslim is a terrorist supporter, pure and simple.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at September 8, 2004 11:54 AM

Once again back to the story?

ISLAMIC MONSTERS DID WHAT?lETS LOOK ?

While despairing soldiers and rescue workers moved among the growing pile of body bags, it was revealed that an 18-month-old baby had been repeatedly stabbed by a black-clad terrorist who had run out of ammunition.

YES ISLAMIC MONSTERS BIG DOOR SAID THE RAPE OF THE LITTLE GIRLS IS SO THEY DONT DIE VERGINS?

WHAT MONSTERS AND ANYBODY WHO SUPPORTS THIS NEEDS TO BE KILLED!!!!

Other survivors told how screaming teenage girls were dragged into rooms adjoining the gymnasium where they were being held and raped by their Chechen captors who chillingly made a video film of their appalling exploits

YES WE HAVE SEEN HOW THESE COWARDS TIE PEOPLE UP TO CUT OFF THEIR HEADS ISLAMIC MONSTERS!!!

I READ ON CNN THAT THE BRAVE RUSSIANS WHO TRIED TO SAVE THE CHILDREN HEARD THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST TALKING HOW THEY WERE BOARD AND STARTED SHOOTING THE CHILDREN??

YES YOU PUNK MUSSI DEFEND THESE MONSTERS?

Americans are Defending their Children and will KILL to DEFEND them!! Like President Bush says what ever it Takes!

BTW mussi who is it that you will vote for?

Part of the American Tribe
Spider Killer
Squirrel Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her Russians too give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat islamic Terrorist Amen

Posted by: Catherine at September 8, 2004 11:59 AM

Putin should nuke grozny till it is a hole in the ground a few feet below sea level, and let it naturally fill with water. So for generations when people ask of the radioactive sea in chechnya, they will know the fate of terrorists and those who try to destroy the free world.

Posted by: lockednloaded33 at September 8, 2004 12:06 PM

All,

Can I say (as a muslim) how sad and horrific the goings on in Beslan were. How one human can be so nasty to another is horrid.

While in no way condoning any of these actions it should also be remembered between 1996 and 2002 the russians went in and wiped out whole townfulls of Chechians and so lessons must be learned by all sides....otherwise there is no way forward...we simply cannot have this repeated.

Asa a final point, I don't really understand why the russinas want to hold onto Chechenia as they have made so many other regions autonomous.

Posted by: Naseem at September 8, 2004 12:18 PM

While in no way condoning any of these actions it should also be remembered between 1996 and 2002 the russians went in and wiped out whole townfulls of Chechians and so lessons must be learned by all sides....otherwise there is no way forward...we simply cannot have this repeated.

Asa a final point, I don't really understand why the russinas want to hold onto Chechenia as they have made so many other regions autonomous.

Posted by: Naseem at September 8, 2004 12:18 PM

AS ALWAYS THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF THESE MONSTERS AND NEED TO BE KILLED!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Russia too give them Strength,Wisdom and Corage to stay the course to Defeat the islamic terrorist Amen

Posted by: Catherine at September 8, 2004 12:33 PM

I can only find talk about the stabbings and rapes in The Mirror. Has anyone seen it colaborated anywhere else?

Posted by: f.g. at September 8, 2004 12:44 PM

muslim,

if "Saddam was no threat to the world," why did Saddam have Abu Nidal killed off shortly before the US invasion? Was it because Mr. Nidal was directly connected to Al Queda & terrorist training camps in Iraq? Gee! Could it be there was a connection after all?

Too, we hit Japan with the ultimate weapon because Japan's deadly & false idealogy or emperor worship & kamikaze warfare would have extended this (already horendous) battle till the last Japanese able-bodied man, stood standing. The comparison between this ideology & the "ideal" Islamic caliphate of world domination has been discussed on this site before. The parallels are many. Its just taking time for some of us "infidels" to get the message.

Don't tread on me.

Posted by: daughter of patriots at September 8, 2004 1:05 PM

naseem,

I think Mr. Voltaire's question was rhetorical in nature, intended to point out that in muslim's post, while he condones the behaviour of the "brave freedom fighters" to oust an ethnic or religion-based group from an area, he would not condone the same acts against members of his own religion.

In addition to your misunderstanding, I don't agree with you on the value of Islam's cultural influence on the western world. History points out that whenever Islam comes up against a differing worldview, conflict breaks out (I believe the term "the friction of Islam" was coined by someone to describe this). Building mosques and preaching and preserving Islam doesn't do a thing for the culture that's been invaded; it's attempting to supress and overcome the indigenous culture.

If the Islamic faith had a "live and let live" basis there might be some hope for it's influence, but what I see is "live Islam or let die" basis. Apologists will say that it's the extremists hijacking the faith; okay, then condemnation for the acts Ossetia are a good start to having us believe you, but condemnation for the Sudan, Nigeria, Timor, etc. also has to be provided by the greater "moderate" Islam, along with serious action on your part to curtail these acts. I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: Walker Colt at September 8, 2004 1:10 PM

I hate ALL the hatred I read on this site. IMO, we need to stamp out without mercy all terrorism. If 98% of it is committed by Muslems, so be it. That doesn't mean hate Islam, just kill terrorists. As for Muslim comparing the dropping of the bomb to anything in the modern world is too stupid to merit more than "what planet are you from?" We dropped the bomb because they wouldn't surrebder and it saved American lives. I feel compassion for the victims, but no regrets...you do what you gotta do...get my meaning?

Posted by: eneri at September 8, 2004 1:19 PM

Oh boy, Naseem's back and hones in on what is doubtless Voltaire's attempt at sarcasm and says nothing about the central issue: once again we have witnessed an incredible act of wanton violence, perpetrated in the name of Islam, against the softest of the soft targets, children.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 8, 2004 1:24 PM

CGW, I was the one who posted the porn site run by the Iraqi guy. What info do you want?

Ruby

Posted by: Ruby at September 8, 2004 3:03 PM

Looks like "MUSLIM" has himself in a bit of a paradoxical-irony ,if Japan didn't attack Pearl Harbor which also lead to p0rompted Hitler to declares war against the USA,Rammel would have cleased all of Africa from any trace of Blacks and Muslims. The Japs would have cleased South-east Asia of any trace of Islam.

So because of Japans attack, MUSLIM gets to spew his antisemitism and overt hatred for the
productive non-Islamic Countries. This envy by Muslims should have spured a desire to progress
and share in the intelligence-pool.
Sadly,the Quran works at keeping people stupid and controlable through fearing Allah and the risk of death for questioning Muhammed or the Quran. The Militant wing of Islam wants all people to be poor and stupid,this give more power
to them under Islamic run Nations,the Hijab restricts females from certain jobs,it identifies them in public for other Muslims to judge them,and it shows the females as Chattle with
selective rights.

You just have to see the logic in the arguments
that Muslims post on this board,the hate and fear oozes from their brain and translates into an acceptance of murdering Gods children for Allah when the cause is just,and in accordance to the Quranic definition of the "Enemies of Islam".
Remember,CAIR always condemns the killings of the innocent,but they fail to explain who are the innocent,and who are the guilty. Just once I'd like to hear CAIR denounce murder and not add the famous "But" which usually goes on a rant about Palestinians being victims and that Islam is uder attack around the world.
Come judgement day,allot of Muslims will be sliding all the way down to hell on their "BUTS". For some to think that murdering Gods children to please Allah will get you a place in paradise,think again,which one of you would give your neighbor permission to murder your child and then reward the killer.
Change faith's while you still have time,Islam was man made by a murderous pedophilic mysogynist that hear voice telling him to kill for Allah.

NO ISL:AM - KNOW PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at September 8, 2004 3:06 PM

Ala-sux~ That is a good point. Does muslim not know that the arabs were also on Hitler's 600-year plan for extermination and slavery? After all, they certainly don't fit the mold of the(bogus, non-existent) aryan 'race.'

Posted by: Gary at September 8, 2004 3:50 PM

Did anyone besides me read David Brooks column in the paper this morning? (David Brooks is a syndicated columnist for the New York Times)

Titled "No Comprehending Death Cult," the author says "We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world........the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying." And he goes on to talk about the Palestinian death cultists as well. This is the first example of true integrity I've seen in a long time when it comes to op-ed pieces dealing with Islamic terrorism.

Folks, the tide is turning. Islam will have to change dramatically, or become extinct for refusing to adapt to the conventions of modern civilization.

Posted by: kafira at September 8, 2004 3:59 PM

Ruby:

Someone in another forum mentioned a similar porn site run by a muslim who also made pronouncements about the implementation of shariah law and the inevitability of the establishment of a worldwide caliphate. I wanted to somehow get some writing samples of the islamist rhetoric from the site.

The guy running the site lives in CHICAGO and his name is REZA. Is this the same site you're familiar with?

Any info you could provide me with would be greatly apreciated. I won't visit a porn site myself, and I'm not asking anyone else to do so for me, but in case anyone already has or has read articles/comments/posts about the site, I would appreciate that info.

Thanks,

CGW

Posted by: CGW at September 8, 2004 4:19 PM

Voltaire asks "Do you think that the British have the right to get rid of muslims in their country.

The trouble with Muslims is that they owe their allegiance to Islam and the ummah. That is why there are so many of them being caught engaging in acts that are in reality a war against the Crown. So far the UK has been particularly lenient as regards this, but waging war on the Crown, is the ultimate offence in the UK.

Now it is not the policy of the UK to discriminate against Muslims, despite the fact that Muslims show no real allegiance to the UK and its customs. Yet as the war hots up, there will be questions asked, particularly if the danger to Britain is existential (WMD), that Muslim presence in Britain and the West in general, is causing a situation that will lead to huge civil strife. Under these circumstances, it would be incumbent on the government, that to prevent a massive civil war, Muslims be sent back to their lands of ethnic origin. In exchange, we could admit the persecuted Christians from that nation.

It is not by any means an ideal solution but probably the only one available, if Muslims who live in the West, continue to wage war on the country that gave them sanctuary. The alternative is civil strife or war, and at the end of which, that option would be still excercised.

Posted by: DP111 at September 8, 2004 4:31 PM

The constant propaganda of muslim and reza really needs to fall on deaf ears for it is clear that you cannot reason with these people who do not have a moral compass for which to follow.

Yes the nonsence they spew from their collective and distorted views of life anger, and enrage us.

The civilized world including the Russian Bear is beginning to wake up to the indisputable fact, that it is muslims who are and have been inciting the rest of the world to be forced to respond in kind.

They are the militant aggressors of the world who try to force their lesser jihad and totalitarian ideology on anyone they can. They will not be responsive to the olive branch of peace except to deceive, and lie to the infidels because they have made it abundantly clear that they want to rule the whole world .

Posted by: Mackie at September 8, 2004 5:07 PM

Amen, Mackie. Pass the ammunition.

Posted by: Rottweiller at September 8, 2004 5:24 PM

"Islam will have to change dramatically, or become extinct for refusing to adapt to the conventions of modern civilization".
Posted by: kafira at September 8, 2004 03:59 PM

Islam is an evil scourge spawned from the depths of Hell.Therefore evil can NOT "change dramatically" into good.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Revelation 19

Posted by: Son of Infidel at September 8, 2004 5:46 PM

Muslim --- You idiot! A weapon is an inert object with the potential to kill. It is not dangerous unless a vile criminal decides to use it. The jihadists are those vile criminals. They made the choice to commit those crimes. It is not the fault of the weapons or the providers of the weapons. It is fault of the base human beings that pick them up and use them.

Posted by: epg at September 8, 2004 7:07 PM

So naseem & muslim creep away from their beheading videos long enough to spout more of their Islamic filth on this site. Is it only me but every time I read one of their posts, full of medieval ranting and twisted lies, I feel the need to have a shower. naseem, for your information you are not wanted in Britain. Because they needed cheap, ignorant labour our government allowed your people to come here from your ignorant, filthy muslim lands. And you, greedy hypocrites that you are, chose to come to our non-muslim country just to make money. Where are you from naseem ? which Islamic hell-hole ? Why are you not there now ? Didn't Allah the moon-god provide you with everything you could possibly want ? We are sick of you deathcultists coming here and criticising the West - you are obviously unhappy here in the House Of War - time maybe for you to return to the House Of Islam. It makes me sick that you come here and build your centres of hate (mosques) while no new churches can be built in muslim countries. The backlash is about to begin naseem ....your disgusting , murdering cult and you, it's brain-washed, living dead have outstayed your welcome.

Posted by: Son Of Albion at September 8, 2004 8:19 PM

Right with you, Son of Albion.

I am sick and tired of this moral equivalence, Moslems and the endless victimology and root cause crap. Much of this endless harping based on bull-shit moslem "history".

The war between civilization and barbarity is on. In wars, people die. In war, I will do everything I must to protect MY children, not the children of the enemy. In this war, I support total destruction of the enemy population and infrastructure. Total victory equals total defeat and capitulation of the enemy. My enemy is radical Islam and the vast majority of moslems who just sit there and acquiese--say nothing and do nothing--support the jihad by silence, if not vocal support. I hear your smug silence in my country, the USA. I hear it in the moslem populations in Europe, Asia, and all over the world. You are all the enemy, and must be defeated.

It is my hope that Russia responds with overwhelming, disproportianate force to, once and for all, rid the moslems in that region of any notion of victory. My father's generation did what they needed to do to destroy Nazi Germany and Tojo's Japan. They killed lots of Germans and Japanese--they had to. The defeat of the Allies during WWII would have been too horrible to contemplate.

Now the descendants of the fascists, the moslems, are the new enemy of this generation. Make no mistake, Russia, the USA, and other nations that are and will be brutalized by islamic fascism must do what needs to be done to WIN. Appeasement and defeat are unthinkable.

Okay, I'm getting off my soapbox now.

Posted by: pcsny at September 8, 2004 8:59 PM

While it is not surprising that Muslim fanatics raped and butchered young, innocent children (this religion was born and nurtured on violence, sexual persversion, and cruelty) maybe some good will come from this horrifying event. Hopefully, all Western people will now begin to realize there is an organized Muslim global effort that intends to put all giaours (Christian infidel dogs) to the sword. It doesn't matter what country we live in. Once the West stops apologizing for "Allah's Animals" and realizes we are all targets we will make the first significant step toward identifying the true threat we are faced with and destroying these predators before they destroy us.

Posted by: Vienna 1683 at September 8, 2004 11:04 PM

"....unless it is done in by a "resistance" movement to free an occupied land, where the victims should belong to the occupiers and "where there is no other way" to free the land"

This then, is the justification for killing the kids I see.

Well, I'd love to meet you face to face "muslim"...to "talk to you rationally." I can get anywhere in the world, so travel is noooooo problem. Got a ticket to paradise -- just for you.

Posted by: witness at September 8, 2004 11:16 PM

Muslim said:

"iran is a democratic country"

Wow you are even more ignorant than I thought. Iran is an Islamic theocracy, with the Guardian Council holding the most power in that nation. Go back to school and take some history classes.

Posted by: abad at September 9, 2004 1:21 AM

Mr Albion is showing great frustration. He says "naseem, for your information you are not wanted in Britain".

Actually I am not in Britain, I live in my beloved (and nuke protected) Pakistan. However when younger I used to live in Britain and sometimes come to visit as I have lots and lots of relatives there, it is almost like home (except for the the weather ofcourse).

Mr Albion says "Because they needed cheap, ignorant labour our government allowed your people to come here from your ignorant, filthy muslim lands. And you, greedy hypocrites that you are, chose to come to our non-muslim country just to make money."

Well, your anger is just shining through. Actually your forefathers started the ball rolling by colon-ising most countries round the world for a couple of centuaries....and now we are repaying you the favour, after all one good turn deserves another.

There is one vital difference though, we are here to stay, there is no going back to India/Pakistan after a centuary or so.

Already ethnic communities out number the indegenious (english) communities in places like Liecester and Birmingham. Look for this to happen all over the UK...ya never know in the future, we may even build you some "reservations" where you can continue what will be left of your culture...much like the white man did to the red indians...

and you know the best thing...your government will back our right to do that by law....brilliant isn't it....

Oh yeah, and we love making money too

!!!!!!!have a real nice day hearing the call to prayer from a mosque near to your house!!!!!!

Posted by: Naseem at September 9, 2004 8:47 AM

What's up nazieem ? Did I touch a nerve ? So you "live" in Pakistan. You poor bastard - no wonder you're so confused.
What did you call it ? "Nuclear-protected Pakistan". Why would you need nuclear protection for a toilet ? Of course my anger is shining through - how perseptive of you - that's because I'm angry . Angry with murdering muslim scum turning our world into a slaughterhouse. I'm angry because a death cult that nature should have destroyed a thousand years ago is trying to drag us all back to the dark ages. Angry because the worls has enough problems without having to waste time to eradicate your filthy cult. Like many Britons I'm angry because our government has allowed so many of you moon-god worshipping zombies into my beloved country. But you know what nazieem, anger always comes before action. Sure you death cultists are breeding like rabbits - churning out your little wanna-be suicide bombers - but there's only a couple of million of you against 55 million aethists, Christians, Jews and Hindus. The time for action may be some time away but it is steadily drawing closer. Hope you've got room in your hovel for all your home-coming cousins. Don't worry, I'm sure Allah (piss upon him) will provide...pause for laughter. It's not like our country is going to grind to a halt without the Pakistaniis. Last time I heard there was 30% unemployment amongst muslims in Britain. Compare that with the Hindu's who have great jobs, send their children to universities and are making your people look stupid. Oh and once again (how muslim of you) you get your history wrong. The muslims haven't been here for a century (do you know what a century is ? did they teach you maths in the hate centres you call "schools") it's less than fifty years - a mere blink of the eye in the history of the world. Well, nazieem it's time for you to get back to stoning the local women to death or watching your beheading videos or murdering local Christians or Shias or whatever else it is you do in your Islamic asylum.

!!!!!!!!!!have a real nice day waiting for the sound of Indian /US / Russian missiles coming to a mosque near your hovel.

LOVE LIFE - HATE ISLAM !!

Come on in nazieem, the fallout's lovely....

Posted by: Son Of Albion at September 9, 2004 10:54 AM

Mr Albion, My name is naseem not nazieem. Please don't deal in fantasies, the reality is that we aint't going no where.

We need nuke protection against people like you. We are grossly misunderstood. I tell ya..everytime something happens people like you say "it was the islamists....now what was the question and what happened!"

The polarisation and the hate spewing from this site is so great and amazing that I could ask the same question that you always ask namely

"Why do they hate us so much?"

But I don't want you to answer that , I already know it, I can feel the myriad of eyes piercing my beautifuly and long Jilbab.

My people are unemployed greatly because of the racial predijuce that they experience. It is something that we have to get used to (however unjustly).

As far as a centuary (100 years is concerned) I meant that we will not relocate back to Pakistan after a 100 years in Britain (like most of the British moved out when they were forced to leave India).

What really hurts you is that the british government will never have the political will to get rid of any of us provided we follow the (somewhat lax) law and the majority of us (me included) do and a pratt like you will never be in a position to do anything about it.

So please Mr. Albion, rejoice at the prospect of our grandchildren being neighbours and playing together. They will learn the salaam greeting and show interest in everything muslim, because whichever way they turn ....we will be there.....get used to it.

Salaam

Posted by: Naseem at September 9, 2004 11:43 AM

naseem,

thanks for responding so well to my comments on the cultural influences of Islam on Western society. While the reply was not directly addressed to my post, your "friendly" comments to Son of Albion do more to underscore and reinforce my point that there is no benefit to Western culture or society by the intrusion of Mohammedans, and in fact, they are nothing more than barbarians at the gate. Again, I'll state it plainly - Islamic invaders supress and destroy the indiginous culture, with no intention of contributing to it.

Posted by: Walker Colt at September 9, 2004 12:06 PM

Naseem , long time no see, how are you , you worthless cockroach.
Dying of a painful diseaese hopefully.

Posted by: Rikki at September 9, 2004 12:08 PM

Folks, some perspective please!

Arguing with a muslim like you are, is like a Jew arguing with a Nazi guard on the way to the gas chamber. It distracts and disarms the Jew, all the while getting closer to his death. Dialog is just another weapon, and when you remember that they are not required to tell the truth, but lie in order to further their agenda, why do you even bother? You know them by what they DO, not by what they SAY. In otherwords, why are you arguing with a bunch of lying snakes? I can only surmise it is to clarify the truth in your own mind, to rally your thoughts and feelings in a rational way. You need to get past this mental masturbation and do something positive. Send some goodies to the troops in Iraq, for example. That would be a concrete, and much appreciated help to them.

Posted by: shadow at September 9, 2004 1:13 PM

Could Naseem be our Tokyo Rose? *g* So far, she's the only one who comes Close to having the capability. Muslim is already withering on the vine...

Posted by: Gary at September 9, 2004 2:03 PM

As for the infanticidal maniacs in Beslan and their apologists, this much is clear: nothing is too outrageous, too inhumane, too immoral, too cowardly. The only thing these people understand is the business end of an M-16.

Posted by: Rottweiller at September 9, 2004 2:52 PM

Hey nazieem, glad to have rattled your cage. And under the cross you buckled, as they say on Law & Order. First you say you live in Pakistan and then you say you aren't going to leave Britain. Shadow is right, there's no point in arguing with muslims - they can't tell the truth about anything. Go back to your "beautiful jilbab" (which muslim women have to wear because muslim men apparently can't control their instincts to rape) and pretend you're hiding a suicide belt under it or whatever it is you poor sad zombies do for entertainment. Don't worry about the British government sweetie , it's the British people (Christians, pagans, Jews, Hindus and aethists) who will be taking action against your death cult. The clock is ticking.....

LOVE LIFE - HATE ISLAM !!

Posted by: Son Of Albion at September 9, 2004 4:20 PM

Frankly, I'm getting disgusted at the dhimmification of Britain. If we do not stop Islam in the West pretty soon, then this civilisation is doomed. It is being ravaged and sucked dry from the inside by Muslim welfare scroungers and the threat to internal security.
Meanwhile throughout the Islamic world, Christians are being tagetteted, persecuted and murdered. I wish to know why we do not allow these people in, who share our mores and our values and deport Muhamadens out of here. Religion it seems has become the great divider, not race or ethnicity. Huntingdon's thesis seems to be bearing out.
Our inner peace and tranquillity has been destroyed, and I doubt we will ever recover it so long as we continue to have Muslims in the West. It is now not possible to enjoy some of the simple things in life. In Britain, there are plenty of train spotters or airplane spotters taking videos of airplanes. Because of Muslims in the UK, such innocent activities have become a matter of national security. How long can we continue to put up with such infrigement of freedoms, from the gross to the simple, ones such as train spotting?
Muslims are a threat not just to life but all civilised values everywhere. They should be confined to darul Islam and that is it. If we do this, this war, Jihad or whatever you call it, will come to an end pretty quick, and the end of Islam with it. Left to carry on the Jihad against their own in darul islam, it will stop or kill itself.

The real blame for the mess we are in can be laid at the door of our politicians, who have allowed this mess they call Islam, into Britain. We need to let our politicians know of our extreme displeasure. We do not like to be searched and humiliated at airports, while the ones that caused this situation (politicians), to waltz through. We do not like to live in fear that a passing Muslim will knife us, because he has just read the koran. We do not like the idea of bogus asylum seekers such as Bakri, with a passle of brats and living on our charity, making threats against children in Britain. And I for one, do not like my day ruined seeing a walking black tent, on my way to work.

Enough is bloody enough. We do not want Muslims in Britain. They are an inconvenience to all and a threat to our safety. Moreover they have loyalty to Islam and not to the Crown. As such they have no right to protection of the Crown.

Posted by: DP111 at September 9, 2004 6:01 PM

Pakistan. The land Muslims stole from India. Now in India, Muslims are expandimng at a huge rate. In a few decades they will be asking for another partition. That pattern will repeat here in the Britain, as it did in Bosnia, Kosovo, Kashmir and wherever Islam has been allowed in.

Posted by: DP111 at September 9, 2004 6:10 PM

Mr Albion, Mr DP11 my my a few home truths, a few reality checks and how the fire of racism burns. Look at "And I for one, do not like my day ruined seeing a walking black tent, on my way to work".

Your comments are racist pure and simple. Your hate is consuming yo0ur thought process.

Mr. Albion, if you have a chance come and visit Lahore (where I have settled down), it is a vibrant city. You would see a myriad of small software houses (and I work for one of them) wher we develop software for ourselves and a lot of companies in the West. Modern Pakistan is OK, obviously requires development but it is coming along.

I do visit the UK as I grew up there and I like it ...it is like a 2nd home to me.

Posted by: Naseem at September 10, 2004 4:27 AM