This certainly is a group to be watched. One can Bet that Jihadists around the world are watching.

Watching for a chance to strike at the members of this group. 'Apostates!'

Glad to see some muslims are standing up against Jihadist scum. Lots of articles out there today on this.

Posted by: Gary at September 10, 2004 7:45 AM

Unfortunately, inclusion of that phrase about Islam being a "peaceful" religion shows an unwillingness -- embarrassment, filial piety, or something else may account for it -- that the textual authority is entirely on the side of aggression and war, and it is those who preach the Jihad who have more than 110 Qur'anic verses, and hundreds of the "strong" hadith, and of course the entire career of Muhammad as a warrior and political figure, on their side.

Islam was "peaceful" when it was beaten back, or when Muslims within what they thought was most of the known world, a Muslim world, were not exposed, day in and day out, to the texts of Islam. A villager in the Ottoman Empire might be a threat to any wandering Christian stranger or the remaining Christians of the Middle East (see all the accounts of travellers and diplomats, that amply confirm this, or "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam"). What has changed is not the texts, but the ability to spread the message of those texts through new technology. What has changed is that with oil money, an otherwise less powerful Muslim world can now pay for mosques and madrasas everywhere, not least in the heart of what was once called Western Christendom. What has changed is that, in an act of monumental stupidity, the Western world permitted large numbers of polyphiloprogenitive Muslims to move to their countries, without studying the nature or history of Islam and the attitudes toward Infidels which are inculcated into Believers, and the bland assertion that Islam is a "religion" like all others and can easily fit into the pluralist society of the tolerant West, has been shown everywhere to be untrue.

In an interview with Die Welt, Bernard Lewis last week said that with present demographic trends, Europe will be Muslim at the very latest before the end of the century. This would mean the end of civilization. It would not only cause the art treasures of the West to fall into the hands of those who, everywhere they went, destroyed non-Islamic treasures, it would not only make Islam the most powerful force in the world, but would put into Muslim hands all the advanced weaponry that Europe possesses. This cannot be allowed to happen. And no more time should be spent pretending that -- unless something drastic is done -- this is exactly what will happen. The quislings of Europe, such as Chirac and Dominique de Villepin, are not only destroying their own country's future, and the wellbeing of the French -- the first through cupidity, the second through stupidity -- but are, through the vehicle of the E.U., damaging as well countries that do not share this shameful appeasing impulse, and do not deserve the damage French policy, and that of Solana, Patten, Prodi, et al is causing -- such as Bulgaria.

Too bad, incidentally, that they did not dare to mention by name all the countries affected by terrorism. There is at least one noticeable unmentionable.

What About Bob: Baby steps, baby steps. But is this time for baby steps?

Posted by: Hugh at September 10, 2004 9:29 AM

It would be so nice to believe this...however knowing that it is fine for muslims to lie, especially in times of war, there is a huge doubt about this...are they stepping up their efforts to lull us into a false sense of security again? Because more and more people in the west are reading the koran and seeing firsthand what islam is all about, I have to wonder if they are merely changing their tactic, admitting to what we already know and "saying" it has to change....words are cheap, I will wait to see what if any actions these people take, after all they are putting themselves in danger by publicly speaking out....and if this is true, why did it take so long?? Personaly I will wait to see what happens with this group...I have no doubt that there are some muslims that feel this way, I just find it hard to believe that they would risk their safety at this time.

Posted by: USAgirl at September 10, 2004 9:43 AM

USAgirl:

They may be speaking out now because the are aware that another attack is imminent and they want to protect themselves from the backlash.

Insider information, perhaps?

Posted by: CGW at September 10, 2004 9:52 AM

Seams he could not bring himself to say killing of Jews Looks like hope but when you look hard is this Group in the West? And are they worried about being deported remember what naseem said on the killing of a small little baby in Russia that we could not stop them? That is part of their plan?

I would hope! But I was told as a young child! Sh-t in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first?

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Posted by: Catherine at September 10, 2004 9:53 AM

CGW,

That was truly my first thought when I read the article...here they go, covering their asses before the attack...sorry guys not gonna work this time, after the next attack hiding and running would be a better plan than trying to BS us once again.

Posted by: USAgirl at September 10, 2004 10:18 AM

911 Was Staged to Defame Muslims

Posted by: Khaled at September 10, 2004 11:00 AM

Yeah right, Khaled.

Posted by: Infidel at September 10, 2004 11:46 AM

Hey Khaled,

All these terrorists look like Muzzies to me.

Posted by: Infidel at September 10, 2004 11:50 AM

Infidel! Is that your site! *lol* Bookmarked! Very good!
Everyone who wants a good bit of info on these scum, look there.

Some of those pics ought to be made into Wanted ads, that could be printed out and posted...

Posted by: Gary at September 10, 2004 12:02 PM

Topic for discussion:
Khaled, Stoned or Stupid?
Discuss amongst yourselves...

Posted by: Rottweiller at September 10, 2004 12:02 PM

Hugh: I can hardly think of ANY persons that I truly believe are genuine "Reformists", not just slick taqiyya-crooks such as Tariq Ramadan. The German-Syrian writer Bassam Tibi springs to mind. I do think Mr. Bassam Tibi himself is sincere. But even though his intentions are good, I haven't seen him making any convincing arguments as to HOW Islam can be reformed. The same goes for Irshad Manji.

I'm sorry, but the more I see of Islam, the more I believe that Ali Sina is right: Islam cannot be reformed. It just has to be removed.

Posted by: Ali Dashti at September 10, 2004 12:03 PM

What Really Happened

Posted by: Khaled at September 10, 2004 12:38 PM

There seem to be some encouraging signs that there are at least a few Muslim voices starting to be raised in opposition to the entrenched Islamic "elite" who either advocate terrorism, excuse terrorism, or sidestep the issue with irrational conspiracy theories. I for one hope it continues in unrelenting fashion until the aiders and abetters of terrorism and hatred within Islam are removed from their positions of influence and power. Islam may not be a religion of peace now, but it is up to Muslims to take on the challenge of reform and remake their religion into one that respects life, peace and individual freedom. It requires a change of mindset more than anything else. A rejection of the violent, intolerant aspects of Islam, and an embrace of a future of peace, equality and respect of other religions and cultures.

Posted by: LemonJoose at September 10, 2004 1:10 PM

I feel sorry for you Khaled - the mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Posted by: Rottweiller at September 10, 2004 1:35 PM

This is encourageing stuff - you've got to start somewhere.

Posted by: Mike at September 10, 2004 1:55 PM

heard that someone had the balls to spraypaint a mosque in France Maybe the French are awake and le Pen will be the next Prime Minster?

USA girl I'm with you a car is not people I think it was themussi's who did it to theselves?

A Church was blown up in CT this moring St.Mary's Ucra. Cloc. Church?

could they have tried to dis-trak from what they are doing Loks like an attack on what they think are Russians in the USA?

Most rednecks wait till the pins are full if you know what I mean?

Still LOL LOL seeing that picture of Kerry holding that atomatic shotgun that he would have banned? and Thinking of when we saw over an over saddam holding his gun? those tow some how connect for me? LOL LOL

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PS
Can't help but LOL about the waiting for their heros like saddam YELLOW COWARD CAUGHT IN A HOLE LET ME OUT DON'T SHOOT DON'T SHOOT?

NEXT ubl and the waiting for the video and THE YELLOW COWARD SENDS HIS #2 STILL LOL!! YEA YOU WAIT?

so ubl no see since tora bora? COULD IT BE HE IS DEAD OR JUST A YELLOW COWARD! the rats are leaving the ship!!

Posted by: Catherine at September 10, 2004 2:59 PM

Mr Hugh said "Bernard Lewis last week said that with present demographic trends, Europe will be Muslim at the very latest before the end of the century. This would mean the end of civilization".

This is just so much paranoia..why would it mean the end of civilisation. The west needs to adapt, what will it do ...get rid of all muslims before this happens...Islam is an advanced religion, it will adapt too...reform where it needs to...all will be OK.

It would only make Islam the most powerful force in the world, but would put into Muslim hands all the advanced weaponry that Europe possesses.

This cannot be allowed to happen. IT won't relax.

Posted by: Naseem at September 10, 2004 2:59 PM

Kerry says he doesn't see how cops on the street can protect the American People but asault weapons in the hands of those being attacked is not the answer? HUH?

I seam to Remember in the summer of 1992 and the L.A. roits and how the cops could not stop the looting or protect the Poor driver pulled out of his truck But a gun would have ? A Gun did protect those who had them From what I remember!!

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Posted by: Catherine at September 10, 2004 3:13 PM

Naseem, I do believe you Are one of those who qualify as a 'peaceful' muslim. No intent to the ' ', just trying to empahsize the word.

I know a lot of people here would not trust that idea, but one can hope, right?

If I may ask, why does Islam in possesion of advanced weapons trouble you? It wouldn't be the first time a major group has held them (ie, the Cold War and the Soviet Union).

Guys, this is a legit question. I'd like to hear here take on this.

Posted by: Gary at September 10, 2004 3:18 PM

...Islam is an advanced religion, it will adapt too...reform where it needs to...all will be OK.

It would only make Islam the most powerful force in the world, but would put into Muslim hands all the advanced weaponry that Europe possesses.

This cannot be allowed to happen. IT won't relax.

Posted by: Naseem at September 10, 2004 02:59 PM

Yea we see wht you bring to the world can't feed your people and RAPE LITTLE GIRLS!!

Here is yours at its best!!

http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2004/09/die_sddeutsche_.html
German version
Dialogue with murderers functions (after the south german newspaper)

We everyone know how heavily left media in Germany do themselves to convict the barbarous terror documents islamistischer fundamentalists - fights one yet against the same opponent: George W. Bush, the Inkarnation of the devil on earths.

Entirely on the line of the understanding for the barbarous version of the islam, the south german newspaper moves should" on that 26th 8th 2004 with the article "an execution, that fewer cruelly its of Katajun Amirpur. The article announces as a success the "European-Iranian human right dialogue" that a 16-year-old girl was not suspended gesteinigt,[BEHEADED] but rather -. Your "crime" : premarital sex traffic. With unmistakable, Amirpur[HANGED] proudly reports furthermore that "the official marriage salt... first before short, after tough struggle between reforms and conservative, of nine on ten years increased become" is.
Henryk Broder wrote a wonderful satire to the article of the south german newspaper:
Any US-court had convicted a 16jährigen murderer to the death, all German newspapers would become internationally would protest themselves before rebellion überschlagen. with amnesty and interrupt Claudia Roth, the delegate for human rights of the Federal Government, a session in the Weight Watchers in order to hurry eigenfüßig into the USA and to require a revision of the procedure. (...) Sometimes it is worthwhile yet to read the SZ. Where otherwise becomes one on a so quiet, well-balanced, calm and sympathetic manner the cultural base for a murder explained. Each commentary over Tiertransporte in India or the conditions on a Dutch chickens farm would have been written with more heart blood. Only: in this case it goes therefore to respect the cultural differences and to avoid also only the appearance, one would become of above down judge. Therefore the article is so informative. It says us not only how the Mullahs think, but rather lap also like liberal tics, if it its cafes slats and get excited about Guantanamo.

(...) Incidentally we learn also that the official marriage salt became »after tough struggle between reforms and conservative, of nine on ten years increased«, also this stepped a further in the direction of more human rights, almost already a revolution in the women house. One must consider to be sure that the concept is »official marriage salt« a friendly paraphrase for that, what the Americans on hers would show type »fuckability« name. In order around to express it so that it understands each, that a »heart has for children,« and contributes for DUNICEF: there are parliamentary groups of Kinderfickern in the Iran obviously two. The Traditionalisten not want to have already at the nine year old at it, the reform it so hurriedly and präferieren ripe ten-year. Also wine connoisseurs know, that older volumes better mouths. If a girl with ten may be fucked, it can be hung with sixteen, remains saved it its at least mitzuerleben how its man takes himself a boy. And if soon also the least age is raised for the death penalty on 18 years, the European-Iranian human right dialogue really was worthwhile.
It is that when the SZ between the lines wants to say us. Subtle, unobtrusive and respectfully. We must the thought only a little fortspinnen: soon the terrorists in the Iraq will use its hostages no longer with blunt kitchens knives enthaupten, but rather orderly guillotines out of Solinger noble steel for that »Exekutionen«. Human rights are for everyone there!

nazeem is upset because her YELLOW COWARD DID NOT SHOW UP ON THE VIDEO!!

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Posted by: Catherine at September 10, 2004 3:21 PM

Empty words have no meaning without actions to back them up. Muslims will have to turn in terrorists, repudiate jihad, swear allegiance to their host countries, cooperate to respect the rights of non-Muslims, stop demanding extra privileges, and so on.

As we have learned, the strategies of taqiyya and kitman use both words and actions to lull their victims into believing that they have peaceful intentions. My strategy is to accept the apology and to watch carefully and take a wait and see attitude as I would anyone that hurt me, my family, or my country, and to never forget!

Posted by: epg at September 10, 2004 3:54 PM

What will it take for Muslims to realize that there is a large evil movement that is turning what was a peaceful religion into a cult?

This is the statement that gives the game away. For all the apology, Islam is still regarded as a peaceful religion. In fact it is the rantings of a demented sociopath. So even as this apology is given, an attempt is made to practise dawa. I regard this statement as nothing but Takkiya. This and a few others that have come out recently, are a consequence of fear that there may be a backlash.

We have brought into our nations in the West, an ideology that is inherently evil. There is only one way out of this and this is to make the public practise of Islam, as being inconsistent with the foundings of a secular state. As Muslims are required to practise an 'in your face' religion, this constraint will be become intolerable. Moreover, we should try to convert as many as possible to a more advanced and rational faith then Islam.

Muslims can live in darul Harb and be ruled by non-Muslims, only so long as there is sufficient reason to believe that eventually they will take over. Confronted by a reducing Ummah in the West, there is no doubt that the mullahs will issue fatwas that requires Muslims to leave for dar al islam.

Posted by: DP111 at September 10, 2004 4:09 PM

Unfortunately all the apologies and sincere regrets from moderate Muslims cannot control or disguise the source of Islam. Terrorists rightly claim they are following dictates from the Koran.
Qur'an 8:39 'So fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.'

Posted by: Morgane at September 10, 2004 4:26 PM

Ali Dashti: Re Irshad Manji

I share your misgivings of Irshad Manji, the darling of the PC and Left intelligentsia.

The interesting thing about Irshad Manji is when she is pressed as to why she does not leave Islam, considering all she knows of Islam, replies in an apologetic and devious way, that there are many good things in Islam and she hopes for a more peaceful interpretation of the Koran or a Reformation. On both counts, she knows that this is not possible. As long as she continues to define herself as a Muslim, ipso facto, she believes that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and is the role model for mankind. How on earth anyone can honestly regard Mohammed as a role model for mankind, beats me.

So why does she and Schwartz do it. To me there is a lurking suspicion that this is all part of the war. Deception and disinformation have always been part of a major war and both Schwartz and Manji are practising it. In the last two years there has been a hue and cry in the West, trying to find the Moderate Muslims (MM). This desire to find MM is crucial to the continuation of multi-culturalism. Without MM, the whole project dies. The LLL thus gives these two individuals far greater space then honest ex-Muslims such as Ali Sena and Ibn Warraq.

And so here they are, Schwartz and Manji, for their own reasons, willing to satisfy the panic search for MM. But these two do it for their own reasons. As confessed Muslims, they realise that the Muslim project in the West is at a dangerous pass. No MM and the PC multi-culti LLL media will begin to come to conclusions that endangers the ummah in the West. So the LLL multi-culti crowd and the Ummah need each other for their own particular projects. However, given the exponential growth of the Ummah in the West, all it requires is for Manji, Schwartz and others who may follow them, to lull the West for another 30 years or so. By then it will be too late, according to their way of thinking, for LLL and us, to do anything about it. Well they are wrong. We are awake to the danger. In fact most Western leaders are awake to the danger but are not yet ready to state the case.

I think we would be far better relying on Ali Sena, when he states that Islam cannot be reformed. He probably, has far more knowledge and understanding of Islam then Manji. Genuine honesty is the one single attribute that seems to be missing from the writings of Manji and Schwartz. It is what damns them.

Posted by: DP111 at September 10, 2004 4:30 PM

Posted by: DP111 at September 10, 2004 04:09 PM

A nother way is to asign a cop who is chirstian or jewish to follow all cleric in the USA to protect them from the people who might hurt them ?

This way we will learn what is going on in our country and if the hate speach starts we will know?

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Posted by: Catherine at September 10, 2004 4:33 PM

Khaled,

You're so full of shit, its drippiing outta your ears.

Be gone!

Posted by: voletti at September 10, 2004 5:50 PM

"What about Bob?"

Well, since you asked...

I've been raising minor amounts of hell on other boards, but I'll be back again soon enough.

In the meantime, I've been quite amused by Khaled, and I have an answer for his "What really happened" link. I call it Our Real Enemy, and I think it is the genesis of an idea of what will happen.

Enjoy.

Posted by: Bob Owens at September 10, 2004 5:58 PM

Kinda makes ya feel warm and fuzzy........SORRY apology NOT accepted, too little too late. I'm profiling baby and nothing anyone can say or do can make me stop, that's the way it is.
I have been stewing for 3 years now and am ready to boil.
So cut the crap and LET'S GET IT ON. I'm tired of waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Let's get it over with in MY lifetime.

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

Posted by: bonzi at September 10, 2004 7:10 PM

great, but what do you 'sorry' moslems intend to do about the koran and your 'gentle, loving' prophet mohammed?

Posted by: forrest shalom at September 10, 2004 7:51 PM

Mr. Owens,

You have been missed. As Shirley Booth once said: Come back, Little Sheba.

Posted by: Hugh at September 10, 2004 8:16 PM

I remember when the "Clean up the Bible" campaign was active in America.

Maybe it's time for a "Clean Up the Koran" campaign.

Kudos to the Muslims opposed to Jihad.

Posted by: abad at September 10, 2004 11:24 PM

The only "good" Moslem is a dead Moslem.

There is no hope of reforming that ideology. Without jihad, shahids, sharia, hatred of kufars, there is nothing left. If anybody believes that Islam can become a purely spiritual ideology, forget it. Even if all they do is pray to the idol allah, remember that the idol demands blood and the death of all those that not believe in it. Sorry, there is no hope for reconciliation between us and Moslems. They are only tolerable when they are beaten down and back, sent into moremillenia of powerlessness.

First step: take away the oil. It was given as a present to desert savages by stupidly remorseful Westerners. What was given can be taken away. Next confiscate all bank accounts of Moslems in Western countries. After that, take all necessary military action. No need to fear the "Arab street."

Of course no country in the Western world has the leadership necessary for these actions. No, not the US with George W. Bush for well-known reasons. As to the man that wants to succeed Bush, he is so f*****g "sensitive" to the Islamic forces, he would probably proclaim "atrocity!" were any of our military units to defend themselves against Islamic aggression.

reproducing at a frenetic rate to overwhelm non-Moslems,

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 10, 2004 11:50 PM

Osama bin Ladin and 9-11

Posted by: Khaled at September 11, 2004 12:48 AM

They sound genuine. I don't believe that ALL muslims are evil. These guys have apologised, so let's take them at their word, and accept it with good grace.

Posted by: Voltaire at September 11, 2004 2:44 AM

Please let's not turn our back on these people. We may need them as allies.

Posted by: Voltaire at September 11, 2004 2:54 AM

Voltaire,

Of course not all Moslems are evil. But as long as they are Moslems and follow the Koran, they cannot be friends of Jews and Christians. As for kufars--Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, etc.--the Koran prescribes a worse fate than the denial of friendship. If these guys want to reform Islam, let them try. Remember though, after 9-11-01 no one said they were sorry.

Lowermost bodily orifices that post links to websites claiming that it was not Osama bin Ladin behind the twin tower mass murders are also not helping to make Islam more acceptable. NOTHING can or ever will make Islam acceptable to us. The hijacker-murderers were all Moslems. The stupid obfuscation that the Jews did it--repeated by a Saudi lowermost bodily orifice after an Islamic terrorist attack there--will not work. All Moslems may not be evil, but the ideology called Islam is. The Islamic murderers of non-Moslems are evil.

You cannot make a deal with people on an endless mission of evil. You cannot have a ceasefire with Moslems. They only understand defeat if it is absolute. No saving of face, no stupid measures to spare them humiliation. Why do you think we had centuries of non-aggression from Moslems after they were driven from Spain and out of central Europe and the Balkans?

This does not mean that after we obtain unconditional surrender followed by harsh punitive measures we can relax. Constant vigilance and no compassion for the defeated must be exercised.

Democracy and Islam do not mix. You can only have democracy if you have a free people. A free people cannot be governed according to Islamic law. The Koran allows no divergence from the state ideology: Islam. Hence, no diversity, no democracy.

Had the oil discovered and extracted by British, Dutch, and American companies not been turned over to the Arab Moslems, they would have been hard put to launch the world-wide jihad kept at a fever pitch by sermons in their Wahhabi mosques and supplied with a constant stream of martyrs by their madrassas.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 11, 2004 3:50 AM

Bob O:

WOW . . . You got a direct invite and a compliment from the great and glorious HUGH.

Now I have something to strive for in life.

Posted by: CGW at September 11, 2004 8:58 AM

Everyone:

"Khaled" is "Reza".

Posted by: CGW at September 11, 2004 1:05 PM

Irshad Manji does display allot of frustration with Islam,she says things that sound very much
like a person that needs a closer relationship with God.
Since Allah causes her so much grief and anger towards misogenistic Imam's and Islamic cleric's,maybe changing faith will open her eyes to the number of non-Muslims that are actually nice people and not the godless evil infidels that Muhammed portrays us to be.
Her book is called "The trouble with Islam" but
I see it as the trouble with the Quran,the Quran is anti-women and promotes hatred towards Jews and Christians. The passive version we get fed here is just a ruse to lull us into a feeling of hope for a peaceful practise of Islam.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at September 12, 2004 1:24 AM

Where's the apology for Beslan?

Posted by: Infidel at September 12, 2004 4:41 AM

BOB
SAW YOUR HANDY WORK AND THIS DRUNK JAMES BROWN IS PROUD OF YOU STILL LOL

NEWS TODAY? MUSHROOM CLOUD OVER N.KOREA? NOW ON FOX THEY HAD TO WAIT TO SEE IF IT WAS A NATURAL THING?

THIS D.J.B. IS CONFUSSED ?

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Posted by: Catherine at September 12, 2004 12:55 PM

In Canada there is a group called "Muslims aganist Terrorism" and they have yet to condemn the actual terrorists,seems that they too are afraid to judge a fellow Muslim.
But wait,I thought the claim is always that these murderers aren't "True" Muslims,so why the fear of attacking the suicide bombers instead of the acts of mass murder.
As long as Muslim continue to harp about the
crusades and blame all modern day Christians,they
Islam will continue to be the sorce for the murdering of non-Muslims by those professing to be followers of Muhammed and Allah.
The longer Muslim remain in the denial stage the
more the slaughtering in the name of Allah will
be more and more overt,and thus hard to distance the Quran from the terrorism.

BTW,did anybody notice the petition on the CAIR website,the "Not in my name" agenda was to show that the 5 Million Muslim in America opposed violence and murder in the name of Islam.
Seems the tote-board is stuck at just under
700,000 and that means that almost 90 percent
of the 5 million are silent on the Jihadist global
tour for Islamic domination.
The silent majority of "Good" Muslims no appears to be a myth and is really the silent approval for terrorist to murder Gods children for Allah.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at September 12, 2004 6:47 PM

Postscript to the "Free Muslim Coalition" apologies for Islam:

Saw Kamal Nawash, the spokesmouth for the "Free Muslim Coalition" on Fox News Channel, Linda Vester show today, September 13, 2004.

When he was challenged by an e-mailer that the Koran says to kill the unbelievers, he brushed that aside by denying that there is anything like that in the Koran.

This guy is playing the "nice" Moslem, BUT he denies that the Koran itself is the blueprint for Islamic murder and mayhem.

The Linda Vetser audience were taken in by his contrition for Moslem terror and applauded him loudly. This guy and his group are more dangerous than the jihadist screaming about Allah being greater coming at you. You know what to do to him. That Nawash fellow ingratiates himself with you. DO NOT TRUST HIM! He is a full-blown Moslem, Koran and all.

What I said before about the only "good" Moslem, still holds.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 13, 2004 7:38 PM

I give Kamal Nawash and his Free Muslims the benefit of the doubt. I note that on his website he asks people to report extremist activity. Also, epg, Muslims do turn in their bad eggs. The terrorists nabbed in the Buffalo area were gotten because other Yemeni immigrants went to the FBI. A Muslim Jordanian immigrant who took the initiative to go to the NYPD helped scotch a plot to bomb the NY subway system a few years back.

Everyone wants to think well of his own group. Secularists love to blame the Shoah on Christianity's historical dislike of the Jews, even though they've been crowing at the same time about how 19th century science routed religious "obscurantism" for more than a century now. Getting even the moderate left to admit the crimes of Communism is like pulling teeth (if only someone other than those Slavic Uentermenschen had been in charge of the Revolution!). My guess is that the Free Muslims value their identity as Muslims, but also want to get along with the rest of us.

Yes, there's taqiyya in Islam (originally it permitted Shi'ah subjects of the Ottoman Sultan to pose as Sunnites); Islam is far inferior to Christianity; and Islam's inner demons are now coming out of the woodwork. However, there are Muslims and Muslims.

Posted by: Kepha1 at September 14, 2004 5:15 AM

I have infinitely more respect for the FMC than for Irshad Manji--beloved of the Leftist media for being a lesbian feminist; hence still a cancer cell in civilization even if she were to leave Islam.

Kamal Nawash ducked the questions about Qu'ranic interpretation because he probably jumped into his polemicizing before doing his theological homework: an example of doing the theological homework are those in the Gulf countries who argue that the Covenant of 'Umar applies only to the era of war with Byzantium (maybe it's a cynical ploy to make the oil customers feel more welcome; but it may just as easily reflect a serious grappling with issues raised by Islamic tradition).

For a non-Islamic example, I find any attempt to "clean up" the Bible intolerable. The commands to exterminate the Canaanites and Amalekites stand as eternal warnings that whole communities can be so infected with evil that their extirpation is necessary--and, isn't it interesting, that the books of Moses make it clear that if Israel walked the same path, it would also be spewed out of the land (as happened after generations of wicked kings brought about the divine payback of the Babylonian exile). In short, these frightful decrees (I beg God to spare me and my descendants to the umpteenth generation from ever witnessing the degeneration of any society to such degredation) warn us that we're the ones who need to be "cleaned up", not God's book.

Perhaps the slow death and Islamicization of Europe is a divine payback for a century of self-important mockery of God and His word, and a perverse pride in a haded cynicism that welcomes every form of self-destructive evil. I say this not because I want to gloat or feel superior (America is full of its own spiritual rot, and Taiwan remains sunk in the crassest idolatry, and we Christians are too often part of the problem); but plead that those who love Christ plead, argue, and bargain with God the way Abraham did for Sodom and Gommorah--after all, we do have loved ones and kin living in such places.

Posted by: Kepha1 at September 14, 2004 5:47 AM