But Mr.Spencer,on jihadunspun Omar Muhammed Bakri (who I might point out is the Pig-shagging sodomite who praised the slaughter of children in Beslan) says the koran says nothing of the sort, and he seems a respectable sort.
Surely all this overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is meaningless against the word of a child-killing ape like Bakri.

Posted by: Rikki at September 20, 2004 9:12 AM

Okay the link doesn't work try this:
thar she blows

Posted by: Rikki at September 20, 2004 9:24 AM

Bollocks to it

Posted by: Rikki at September 20, 2004 9:28 AM

Ibrahim Hooper? Anyone? Anyone?

Pretty early in the morning to be that funny, Robert!

Posted by: yahudimrevenge at September 20, 2004 10:08 AM

Robert,

Didn't you know...........
Jihad is not war, it's "justice" and only through "Justice" can we have "peace".

sarcasm-off

Posted by: susan_b at September 20, 2004 10:12 AM

Hmmm. Justice? Peace? Justice through peace... Let's see... peace "the absence of enemies.... absence means there aren't any because they're all gone, annihilated. Gee, that means we're converted or DEAD!!!!!

Posted by: epg at September 20, 2004 10:39 AM

Man interrogated by CSIS, RCMP suing to clear his name
Last Updated Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:59:32 EDT
TORONTO - A Toronto man who said he faced days of interrogation by Canadian intelligence officials after he was spotted videotaping the city's landmarks is suing the federal government to clear his name that he's not a terrorist.

Kassim Mohamed launched a lawsuit seeking a million dollars in damages and a letter stating he's not a terrorist after being detained and interrogated by Canadian and Egyptian officials.

Kassim Mohamed (file photo)
Mohamed said that on his way to Egypt in May to attend the birth of his child, he was stopped by authorities in Athens and sent back to Toronto.

When he arrived in Toronto, he said a Canadian Security Intelligence Service agent was waiting.

Over the next 10 days, Mohamed said he was repeatedly interrogated by both CSIS and RCMP officers and given two polygraph tests.

He said they focused on videotapes found in his luggage, in particular some scenes he shot of the CN Tower and a Toronto subway station.

Mohamed said the agents asked him if he was a terrorist doing reconnaissance.

The video, he said, was for his children who were attending an Islamic school in Egypt.

The Canadian agents cleared him to leave for Egypt, he said. But when he finally made it to Cairo, he said he was arrested.

The Egyptians held him handcuffed and blindfolded for nearly two weeks in a detention centre, interrogating him several times, and refusing to allow him to contact his wife or the Canadian Embassy, Mohamed said.

When he was finally released, Mohamed said his house in Egypt had been raided by police.

Neither the RCMP nor CSIS would comment about the case.

Mohamed said when he arrived back in Canada, a CSIS agent apologized.

Lorne Waldman, Mohamed's lawyer, said the RCMP confirmed an investigation began after his client was seen videotaping the CN Tower from a city bus.

Waldman said an RCMP agent told him Mohamed was clear, but Waldman said he wants "a letter from a responsible and senior official from the RCMP indicating [Mohamed] is not of interest and he doesn't pose a danger to anyone."

Written by CBC News Online staff

Posted by: Ummagumma at September 20, 2004 11:31 AM

'Mohamed said the agents asked him if he was a terrorist doing reconnaissance. '

Uhm, can one say 'Duh'? What kind of a question was that?

Posted by: Gary at September 20, 2004 12:00 PM

I wonder whyizzit that it always seems to guys with names like Muhammed El-Yabba-Dabba Doo who are engaged in suspicious "terrorist wanna-be"- type activity and not guys with names like Finnegan O'Reilly, Benito Spaghetti, Finkel Goldberg or Buck Adams??

Silly me, it's because all terrorists look like their name might be Muhammed. If you look like a duck, sound like a duck and walk like a duck, then don't be surprised if people assume you're a duck, particularly if you are engaged in duck-type activity.

Posted by: Buck at September 20, 2004 12:41 PM

I don't understand why the Muslim world isn't up in arms over all the Muslims that are being killed in Iraqi by the Jihadists.

Every day now more Iraqi citizens are being blown up by the 'insurgencey'. Can't the Iraqis see that the Jihadists are their enemy? How many fucking car bombs have to go off before they figure out the Americans aren't the ones they should really be worried about.

What gives with these people? Nobody is that stupid are they? I'm missing something obviously.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at September 20, 2004 1:19 PM

According to the Stalinists who post at talkleft Jihad is merely "a spritual struggle" and nothing to do with violence. But then again these same people equate the dangers of Islam as being dwarfed by the threat to world peace being posed by the KKK. Srangely enough talkleft allowed numerous posts detailing the "evils of Christianity" (going back to the crusades of course) but when I countered with some of the violence committed in the name of Islam all my posts were deleted and I was banned from the site. It's good to see that the spirit of free speech is alive and well amongst the appeasers of the Left. No wonder so many leftists are ignorant of the true nature of Islam when they practise the kind of thought control that Pol Pot would be proud of.

Posted by: Son Of Albion at September 20, 2004 1:58 PM

It is the duty of everyone who visits the Jihadwatch site to go visit the muslimcreed home page that is the subject of this blog entry and vote...yes, you can vote for who you think will win the war...the mujahadeen or Bush...I registered my one vote for W...can't wait to do it again in Nov.

Posted by: Kirk at September 20, 2004 2:25 PM

The Islamic theocracy, with a little help from Saddam has managed to purge themselves of anyone with any amount of brains and balls. That leaves half-wits, and mo-bots, easily manipulated by the lying tongues of the Sheikhs and Mullahs who clearly have their own agenda.
Clearly, the only working solution is to take out the leadership one by one as the Israelis are doing to Hamas.
I would hope Bush pursues this more aggressively after his re-election!

Posted by: Degenerate Artist at September 20, 2004 3:02 PM

Sounds to me like they are losing on the battle ground and are trying to move the Field?

They always use stuff like this to move the peices on the board?

Guess they think we are as dumb as their own people?

Not even Dan Rather can pass this off?

The American Peole want this game to stay on their soil like WW2! This will be an Away game like Gen Franks said the Mulsums in this country will not be safe no matter who they think they are Lots of rednecks out here!!!

Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terorist and All who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen

PS

Kick the UN out of the USA

PSS
the 2 clarics killed in Iraq were anti-FREEDOM Do not be fooled?

Posted by: Catherine at September 20, 2004 3:25 PM

Young 17 year old caught in Detorit area with big guns and bomb making mat.?was he a mulsum?who as they tend to do and shot his wad to early?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and All who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen

Posted by: Catherine at September 20, 2004 3:30 PM

You know, guys, I stopped in at TalkLeft several times. Seems like a good place for KeithJoy to make some converts. KeithJoy? Can we have you visit there, alongside SoI and the others?

Catherine! I was wondering where you were. That was a Rather nice post just now.

Posted by: Gary at September 20, 2004 3:43 PM

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=2YKDQGZ4DDWNACRBAELCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=6283846

"BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A militant group headed by al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said on Monday it had beheaded an American hostage and posted a video of the killing on the Internet.

The video, on an Islamist site, identified the hostage as Eugene Armstrong and showed a masked man sawing his head off with a knife."

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 20, 2004 3:57 PM

Moose-
This is why we must take out al-Zarqawi ASAP!

Posted by: Degenerate Artist at September 20, 2004 4:38 PM

GUNMAN walks into Capital and shoots a armed Gard Walks out and puts the gun in his trunk and drives away?

Gard is now dead Think this will put a burr in Congress to do some thing other than just rais their pay?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World th the Threat Amen

PS
Gary have been out Spending money to make money and looking to up grade for the Big Game?
How is the Marriage going Great I hope?

PSS
Saw a link could not get there but link said?

Law 911 legal network
911-legal network need can't afford it? Attorneys @ your disposal @ pennys a day TX,IL,FL,MA,SC,AR,TN,WI,MS
Was surffing a story about Terrorist?

Posted by: Catherine at September 20, 2004 6:16 PM

Human Rights in Islam
9/20/2004 - Religious Social - Article Ref: IC0409-2450
Number of comments: 6
By: Dr. Fathi Osman
IslamiCity* -

According to the Qur'an, dignity of the children of Adam is a divine bestowal which is to be secured by all means, including the law and the state authorities, and is to be defended by all forces:

We have conferred dignity on the children of Adam, and borne them over land and sea, and provided for them sustenance out of the good things of life, and favored them far above most of our Creations. (Quran 17:70)

As a demonstration of this privileged position, God ordered the angels to prostrate themselves before Adam, the first human being. What distinguishes humans from other creatures is mainly their intellect and their free will to choose between doing good and doing evil. To fulfill a human potential, all obstacles and pressures must be removed from the way, and all means should be secured to maintain and develop our humanity. The dignity bestowed on humans in the Qur'an must be defended. It is the individual, social and universal responsibility of Muslims to guard human rights because oppression is an obstruction of God's will in His creation:

As for that (happy) life in the life to come, We grant it (only) to those who do not seek to exalt themselves on earth, nor yet to spread malevolence: for the future belongs to the God-conscious. (Quran 28:83)

It is the individual, social, and universal responsibility of Muslims, according to their faith, to protect the human merits and virtues of all the children of Adam, whatever their differences may be. Defending the human rights of any human being is a religious duty for a Muslim, who believes that any oppression is an obstruction of God's will and plan in His creation. Moreover, a Muslim believes that God has created all mankind equal as human beings, and no one can claim superiority in this respect, whatever his/her ethnicity, family, wealth or gender may be. The Qur'an teaches:

O humanity! Be conscious of your Lord, who has created you out of one living entity, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand [your rights] from one another (and before Him you will be accountable), and of these ties of kinship. Verily, God is ever watchful over you. (Quran 4:1)

O humanity! Behold, we have created you all out of a male and a female, and have created you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Quran 49:13)

The only One who is above all humans is their Creator and Lord:

and there is nothing that could be compared with Him. (Quran 112:4)

At the inception of the belief in one God is the belief in the equality of all human beings, since those who believe in one God believe that all human beings are created by the one Creator. Thus, deeply rooted in the conscience of believers is the duty to maintain human rights and to practice equality in the process. Any discrimination against any individual or group about their basic rights as members of humanity is a challenge to the faith of believers, since for any human to claim superiority based on origin or power is contradictory to the belief in the One Ultimate Supreme Being:

...the All-Highest, who creates [everything], and thereupon forms in accordance with what it is meant to be. He cannot be called to account for whatever He does, whereas they will be called to account. (Quran 21:23)

A tyrant is against human rights and the One Ultimate Supreme Being as well:

Behold, Pharaoh exalted himself in the land, and divided its people into castes. One group of them he deemed utterly low; he would slaughter their sons and spare [only] their women, for behold, he was one of those who spread malevolence [on earth]. (Quran 28:4)

In the same chapter, the Qur'an states that those who will attain to happiness in the life to come, as it has been mentioned before, are those who don't seek to exalt themselves on earth, nor yet to spread malevolence; for the future belongs to the God-conscious (Quran 7:157). Thus, the Qur'an repeatedly emphasizes human rights and justice, and condemns injustice, aggression and oppression. It highlights the message of the Prophet Muhammad:

...enjoins upon them the doing of what is right and forbids the doing of what is wrong, and makes lawful to them the good things of life and forbids the bad things, and lifts from them their burdens and the shackles that were upon them. (Quran 7:157)

Justice can be concisely and precisely defined as the maintenance of human rights and equality:

Behold, God enjoins justice, and [going beyond justice to] the doing of what is magnanimous (and kind), and giving to one's kinsfolk; and He forbids all that is shameful and all that runs counter to reason [and morality], as well as transgression; He exhorts you [repeatedly] so that you might bear [all this] in mind. (Quran 3:195)

Any discrimination between men and women in rights or responsibilities is forbidden according to the divine justice- the same as any other discrimination:

And their Lord does answer them: I shall not lose sight of the work of any of you who works [in My way], be it man or woman ... (Quran 3:195)

And [as for] the believers, both men and women - they are in charge of [and responsible for] one another [and form together one body], they [all] enjoin the doing of what is right and forbid the doing of what is wrong, and keep up their prayers, and render the purifying [social] dues, and pay heed unto God and the conveyer of His Message. (Quran 9:71)

Divine justice can never be for Muslims only. It secures the rights of all human beings, whatever their beliefs may be. It is especially protective of the rights of belief and practicing one's belief... "Let there be no coercion in matters of faith" (Quran 2:256). Defending all houses of worship is legitimate and urged:

...for if God had not enabled people to defend themselves against one another, [all] monasteries and churches and synagogues and mosques in [all of] which God's name is abundantly exalted - would surely have been destroyed (ere now), and God will most certainly support one who supports His cause....(Quran 22:40)

Muslims are taught by the Qur'an to build their relations with others on kindness, while the minimum obligation which should be strictly observed is justice (Quran 60:8). They should always have in mind that no hostility stays permanently, and that if they follow God's guidance, their behavior may turn an enemy into a close friend:

Yet God may develop affection between you and those of them you felt were enemies, for God is All Powerful, Much Forgiving and Most Gracious. (Quran 60:7)

But good and evil cannot be equal; repel [therefore, evil] with what is better; and so between yourself and one with whom there was enmity [it may then become] as though he/she had [always] been a close friend. Yet [to achieve] this is not given to any but those who are patient and enjoy self-control; it is not given to any but those endowed with the greatest good fortune. (Quran 41:34-35)

Islam secures the human rights even for those who may violate the human rights of others, since two wrongs do not make one right. A violation should be stopped instantly, but the rights of the violator as a human being should be secured. Islamic law aims to fight the crime in its origin, not just to inflict punishment. Islamic penal law is enforced in order to prevent the sources of violation and transgression without social justice and public education for all. It is required that every possible effort be made to educate and rehabilitate an offender, not to destroy him/her. And finally, the Prophet states that a mistaken decision in acquitting a guilty person is better than a mistaken decision of punishing an innocent one. (From an authentic tradition of the Prophet repeated by Ibn Ali Shayba, al Tirmidhi, al-Hakim and al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan, on the authority of Aisha).

Islamic civil and commercial law prohibits illegitimate and exploitative gains while protecting the principle which has been earned legitimately and legally before usurious additions:

...and give up all outstanding gains from usury...for if you do not, then know that you are at war with God and the Conveyer of His Message. But if you repent, you shall be entitled to your principals. You will do no wrong and neither will you be wronged.

The Islamic law of war requires an open declaration of the start of military operations, and limits fighting to the combatants only. As soon as the aggression itself is stopped and the aggressor submits to justice, justice should be maintained in relation to both parties equally:

....but then, if one of the two [groups] goes on aggressing against the other, fight against the aggressors until they revert to God's commandment; and if they revert make peace between them (both parties) with justice, and deal equitably [with them], for verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 49:9)

Any of the enemy's army who asks for protection or shelter should be granted it, and may be returned to his camp if he so requests:

And if any of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God seeks your protection, grant him protection, so that he might [be able to] hear the word of God [from you]; and thereupon convey him to a place where he can feel secure. (Quran 9:6)

The wounded and deserters from the enemy's army should not be attacked, but should be cared for until they are cured or repatriated.

Human rights as described by the divine message in Qur'an and Sunna were considered by the Muslim jurists to be the Avery goal of shari'ah. The jurists condensed Islamic law, as mentioned before, into the securing and developing human personality in five main areas: life, family, mind, faith, and property. The human rights covered by these five areas include the collective rights of groups and peoples as well as the rights of individuals; political and social rights have their place side by side. A collective effort to defend the powerless and the oppressed against a powerful oppressor is an essential Islamic obligation. Every right is considered a responsibility and an obligation. In addition to human rights being considered a collective responsibility of the ummah (the Muslim people as a group) and the authorities, every holder of a right must also struggle for him/her self to obtain, maintain and enjoy this right.

An accurate balance has to be maintained between basic spiritual and moral development and education on one side, and the protection of values by the law and the state on the other. A balance should be maintained as well between rights and duties:

Indeed, have We sent forth the Conveyers of Our Messages with all evidence of the truth; and through them We bestowed revelation from on high, and a balance [where with to weigh right and wrong], so that men behave with equity; and We bestowed from on high [the ability to make use of] iron, in which there is awesome power as well as [other] benefits for man; and [all this was given] so that God might mark out those who would stand up for Him and the Conveyer of His Message, even though He [Himself] is beyond the reach of human perception. Verily, God is Powerful, Almighty. (Quran 57:25)

Based on faith in God, the Islamic perspective on human rights is comprehensive and deep. When a Muslim fighter was asked by the Sassanian leader, Rustum, about the cause that he was fighting for, he simply answered, A God has sent us to transport human beings from the worship of one another to the worshipping of One God, from a narrow life to a wide world, and from the dominant injustice under other beliefs to the justice of Islam. (al-Tabari, in his reports about the battle of al-Qadisiyyah in 17 AH/ 637 CE)

This was the message of Islam in early times: a universal liberation and establishment of justice and maintenance of human rights. It is thus to maintain, develop and spread such an understanding of the divine message in our times.

Dr. Fathi Osman is a professor of Islamic Studies and has taught in several universities around the world. Among these universities are Al-Azhar University in Egypt, Houran University in Algeria, Ibn Saud University in Saudi Arabia, International Islamic University in Malaysia, Temple University, USC, and Georgetown University in America.

He is an author of several books and articles which include: Islamic Thought Vs. Change, Children of Adam: An Islamic perspective on Pluralism, Jihad: A legitimate struggle for moral development and human rights and Concepts of the Quran.

He is currently retired and is a resident scholar at the Institute for the Study of Islam in the Contemporary World in Los Angeles, USA.

Posted by: Bill at September 20, 2004 10:45 PM

In the name of Allah

I would like to add the following part of the article which seemed to have been left out by robert spinner:

Then Ibn Qudāmah said, “And the Jihād is specified in three situations:

The First: When the two groups meet and both sides face one another. It is forbidden for those present to flee and that situation is specified to him, due to Allāh, the Most High’s statement: O you who believe! When you meet (an enemy) force, take a firm stand against them and remember Allāh much... – until His statement …and be patient. Surely, Allāh is with those who are As-Sābirīn (the patient ones, etc.). [35] And His, the Most High’s, statement: O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battle-field, never turn your backs to them. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day - unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own), - he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allāh... [36]

The Second: If the disbelievers enter a country then it is specified upon its people to fight them and repel them.

The Third: If the leader (Imām) calls upon a people, it is upon them to go out with him, due to Allāh, the Most High’s, statement: O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allāh (i.e. Jihād) you cling heavily to the earth? – the verse [37] as well as the verse, which follows it. And the Prophet said, ‘If you are called out, then go out.’” – Agreed upon.” [38]

So one finds there are three reasons for fighting and it is not something taken upon one's self nor is it a natural obligation.
1.)If two groups of combatants meet one another.
2.)If your land is invaded.
3.)if the person with legitimate authority over a muslim populace, i.e. a state or government, declares war.

so, once these reasons are met, then yes, it is obligatory as the part of the article posted stated...even in offensive battle such as the examples given.

thank you for your time

Posted by: Bill at September 20, 2004 10:56 PM

"So one finds there are three reasons for fighting and it is not something taken upon one's self nor is it a natural obligation.
1.)If two groups of combatants meet one another.
2.)If your land is invaded.
3.)if the person with legitimate authority over a muslim populace, i.e. a state or government, declares war.

so, once these reasons are met, then yes, it is obligatory as the part of the article posted stated...even in offensive battle such as the examples given.

thank you for your time"

You know what "Bill", I just watched a living, breathing human being have his head sawed off by another human being, and then watched as his head was placed on his back. Before that happened I listened to the person who did this say he was doing it for his god, Allah.

I very much do understand that the people who did this, quote passages from the very same book you quote above. I really don't have the time, nor the patience to try and understand when this is, and when this is not acceptable in your religion. If this is the way, or if it is not the way you wished your religion to be introduced to billions of people...Well, it has been. I have held an open mind for decades and never had the ideals of Islam impressed on me in ways that I might listen. I have learned about the Islamic religion through the most unspeakable acts.

I am going to double my efforts to find a way to post every single statement released by people who commit indescribable acts and then justify their acts by quoting the Koran. I am simply going to take what people who follow your religion say after they behead, mutilate and kill in the name of your God.

By the way, you don't have but a few sentences to convince the world that Islam is worth understanding. Your statement should begin something like this...

These people are wrong, and this is not Islam. I completely disassociate myself from the religion they claim to follow. The verses they use simply don't exist and can never be misconstrued to justify their acts.

If one single excuse is attempted, you lose.

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 21, 2004 1:20 AM

Moose,

You are completely right. NO MORE EXCUSES!!

Sometimes I really think if I hear one more excuse, I'll puke.

"Islam isn't this, Islam isn't that" PLEASE!! We've all seen what Islam IS and it ISN'T.
And it's most certainly NOT peaceful, or KIND, or FORGIVING.

Posted by: susan_b at September 21, 2004 5:08 AM

Son Of Albion,
I saw that yesterday, did you post as Duttutti or something.
I noticed all "soccerdads" (hawk!!!spit!!! what a arogant wank-pot he is) posts were there and thought: "will someone pleaser shut this ignorant bastard the fuck up!!!" (I'm also banned from talkleft by the way, and for the same reason, so there was nothing I could do).
Soccerdad regularly posts at another left-pit called "Theleftcoaster" (don't have the address at the mo')if you want to exact your revenge on that stuck-record (on a really bad tune I might add).

I think the reason they keep deleting posts suchas ours and banning us is because our words are so effective in widening the narrow minds of the PC vermin who post on their, that we are doing severe damage to the moral of Talklefts rather sad "We love Kerry" campaign AKA: "Anyone But Bush" , which says a lot for Kerry; who I see as one of the most pathetic, delusional cretins, devoid of any kind of humour,sense,or resolve; in the history of all US presidential candidates. The man couldn't run a kindergarten without letting the kids take over; how safe would we be putting the most powerful nation in the world in his hands??? I'm a brit BTW, and know little of US politics other than what's on the news, but I sooooooooooo hope Bush gets in again,not because I think he's a particularly good president I don't (although at least he's doing something about terrorism), but I'm just of the opimion:
Anyone But Kerry!!!

PS- A hypocritical twat who can be all for the war in Iraq and then spend the 12 months prior to the elections slagging it off, for his own gain, and anyone who despite his anti-war leaning opens his speech with a humourless and really humiliating (for him that is) line such as :
"John Kerry; reporting for duty, needs pelting with rotten cabages and tomatoes, not electing as president.

Posted by: Rikki at September 21, 2004 7:47 AM

Hi Rikki, yeah that was me . You're right about those uptight bastards at talkleft - I couldn't believe all my posts were deleted but soccedad's anti-Western bile was left up there. As you say, they're obviously worried we're going to upset / challenge the views of most of their PC visitors.
Also agree with you on Bush. There's a lot I don't like about him (environment etc) but I shudder to think what would happen to the war on terror under that wimp Kerry.

Posted by: Son Of Albion at September 22, 2004 2:10 PM