The US invaded Iraq in 2003. So there was no Islamic terrorism, a.k.a. jihad, before the US invasion? Was 9/11 a Hollywood fake? It's about time the Malaysian Prime Minister wakes up and smells the napalm.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at September 24, 2004 6:53 PM

Do people here seriously think that the US govt wasn't behind 9-11? Stanley Hilton, who is Bob doles former chief of staff, reprsents more than 400 families of 9-11. He is suing the Bush administration for not only knowing about the attacks but also aiding them. This year and the year before he was on the alex jones radio show. The least you can do is just listen to the freakin interview. You'll never think the same bout 9-11 once u listen to this. This guys offices have been broken into by the FEDS, his witnesses have been threatened.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/hilton_03_11_03.mp3

Posted by: truthseeker at September 24, 2004 7:39 PM

How about napalm mixed with pig fat!

Wake up and smell the bacon....

Posted by: Bar at September 24, 2004 7:56 PM

Way off topic here, but another study shows that Muhammad was a total charlatan.

If he was in direct communication with the Almighty, then why would the all-knowing God not correct him in his denigration of the canine species?

---------------------------------

Study Shows Dogs Can Smell Cancer
Friday, September 24, 2004

LONDON — It has long been suspected that man's best friend has a special ability to sense when something is wrong with us. Now the first experiment to verify that scientifically has demonstrated that dogs are able to smell cancer.

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This study certainly shows a dogs usefulness, doesn't it?

Only a madman would shun "man's best friend".

Posted by: Moe's Foe at September 24, 2004 7:56 PM

Just another excuse, over and over again...they blame everyone except themselves. The sad thing about it is that too many people believe them.

Posted by: Joe Bananas...in Pyjamas at September 24, 2004 7:59 PM

truthseeker
Nice name, to bad from your post its an oxymoron. You are not after the truth, you much prefer those nasty dumb lie’s, just like our brainwashed Moslem friends.

All those 19 Moslems that did the 9/11 attack came here under good old Billy Boys admin.

If its anyone's fault, its Billy Boy....
Billy Boy gave up many chances to get Osama, but he was more worried about getting some.

So how is it Bush's fault?

You need to get some real news not this BS stuff..
If you BS, find talkleft, everyone would really like you, they all hate Bush. So you would be right at home. That is where you belong....

No Islam, Know Peace

Al Qaeda for Kerry!

Posted by: Bar at September 24, 2004 8:04 PM

Through former PM Mahathir Mohamad, Malaysia has been becoming increasingly radicalised from its position of moderate Islam.

Rather than just winged about it (I still do that), I decided about 20 years ago, when the writing was on the wall, to maintain my personal boycott of Malysia and Indonesia (remember Dili massacre? ).

No Malaysian or Indonesian airline flights,
no travel to those countries for business or holydays. Solidarity with non-Muslim regions like Bali and East-Timor, Papua, christians in Ambon and many other regions, Chinese minorities in those countries etc.

Boycott Made-in-Malaysia good such as electronics.

I implore that those that feel strongly enough to post on this site to also consider their non-violent but concrete options (the few options that the PC-mafia have not yet closed off).

Be part of turning the tide against the cancer of Islam and its western ally, the PC-mafia.

Posted by: raven_ at September 24, 2004 8:17 PM

Bush behind 9-11?? truthseeker's lost his marbles...i.e. is essentially castr*@&^%d.

So some jobless lawyer drooling after publicity duped traumatized 9-11 families into signing onto an obscene free publicity stunt - that joke of a radio intvw he inveigled is proof enough....doesn't mean there has to any darned truth to his fantasies.

As for Billy boy, his cigar suking ways apart, he's one politically astute character. The US before 9-11 was nothing like the one we know today. Whether Clinton or Bush be in saddle, on 9-10 the mindset was such that 9-11 was inconceivable.

Posted by: johnny walker at September 24, 2004 8:24 PM

If you fly a cessna and are off course for 15 minutes, then jets will immediately be scrambled. can you explain to me how 4 commercial airliners can stay off course for an hour and a half going towards Washington DC and New York City?

Posted by: truthseeker at September 24, 2004 8:27 PM

Islam is Mr. m.,

more than Christianity is Christ, and vastly more than any one individuals importance in the Jewish religion.
Mr. m is the ideal man to moslems.

His thoughts and his actions exemplars for all,
direct from allah via Mr. m.

Mr. m slaughtered, ordered slaughter, justified slaughter.

Thus the problem is islam.

Posted by: dby at September 24, 2004 8:38 PM

You are misleading, UnTruthseaker,
for a start, prior to 9/11 they sure as hell didn't send up the jets for an off course baby like your Cessna. Bullshit.

Posted by: dby at September 24, 2004 8:42 PM

Raven says well and speaks the truth:

"Be part of turning the tide against the cancer of Islam and its western ally, the PC-mafia."

It is the creation of "political correctness" which has bound and gagged the truth of the common person.

How clever, diabolical and insidious.

It strives to govern not only our thoughts, but our desire to express ourselves. And, it is succeeding.

All must free their minds of this disease before it overwhelms not only the contemporary, but the future as well.

Posted by: Moe's Foe at September 24, 2004 8:49 PM

Untruthseaker, i love characters like yourself, likely a great guy/girl, but somehow expecting that, though the world you actually inhabit is gratingly imperfect, the response to those 'out of left field' attacks would be perfect, more than perfect, prescient almost, if the response was to, in fact, have made any difference to the outcome.
And from that flawed assesment, then look for reasons, culprits.

Again, bullshit.

Posted by: dby at September 24, 2004 8:53 PM

ehh so u think hiltons just some crappy lawyer who wants to exploit 9-11 families? Well alright, here's another interview from the former German Defense Minister about the 9-11 attacks.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html

o, and this is interesting too

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=%22the%20tv%20was%20obviously%20on%22%20%2D%20G.W.%20Bush%20%20%20Dec.%202001&link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatreallyhappened.com%2FIMAGES%2Fbushsawfirstplane1.ram

Posted by: truthseeker at September 24, 2004 9:06 PM

Thank goodness the Muslims have the Jews and Americans to blame Islams shortcomings on,after all,for 1200 years befor the USA was created Islam was so peaceful and Muslims never acted out
any violence since Muhammed forbidded it.

Also,I had to laugh at the claim that the
Cats Steven case will only harm the Wests relationship with the Muslim world.
Oh really,you means they will even hate us more
than they do now,and my resot to terrorism in the USA.
This time the CAT didn't come back the very next day,and no love loss there.

NO CAIR - KNOW FREEDOM

Posted by: ala-sux at September 24, 2004 9:27 PM

Posted by: truthseeker at September 24, 2004 08:27 PM

"If you fly a cessna and are off course for 15 minutes, then jets will immediately be scrambled"

Only because its after 9/11 you smart guy...

Before your buddies did there 9/11 thing, we tried to appease you dumb Moslems..

Now we shoot 1st bury you in pigs fat latter.

Dude your on glue....

You have to find respectable news sources, not these fake news site's...

Do you work for cBS?

Posted by: Bar at September 24, 2004 10:18 PM

The Cat = bad music = bad religion = go home and don't come back....

Posted by: Bar at September 24, 2004 10:20 PM

Until recently Malaysia did not require visas for any person from Muslim countries that are members of the Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC). But, of course, this is not classified as 'fueling terrorism'.

Imagine the shrieks of outrage and the accusations of racism that would ensue if Australia, NZ, Canada and the UK decided to form an 'Organisation of Christian Countries'. Why is there an organisation of Islamic countries in the first place? Obviously they feel it necessary to band together against the infidel.

An Islamic terrorist plot was uncovered by Singapore’s Internal Security Department in 2002. Singaporean 'activists' associated with Jemaah Islamiah (JI, led by Abu Bakar Bashir, carried out the Bali bombings) planned (with outside assistance, apparently) to develop large truck bombs to attack targets in Singapore. The targets included US personnel, installations (including the US Embassy) and possibly the nearby Australian High Commission.

This plot to was allegedly organised by a deputy to Bashir, Riduan Isamuddin, also known as Hambali. JI is thought to be associated with other groups including the Kumpulan Mujahideen Malaysia (KMM). Singapore has alleged that JI received some funding from Al Qaeda over three years.

And they accuse the west of fueling terrorism? I wonder if they ever ponder on how the vile anti-Semitic rants of ex-PM Mahathir 'fueled terrorism'.

Posted by: DianaC at September 24, 2004 10:57 PM

Raven. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have lived in Malaysia for decades and PM Mahathir was nothing but fodder from the Islamic party aka PAS. They accused him of watching pornography with his grandkids.

If you want to blame him for stepping on civil rights, you have an argument but not being a fundamentalist. He used the ISA (Internal Security Act),which the West argued against for years but now use, against anyone with fundamental ties. After all, they threatened his authority.

Please do some research before posting as fact. Perhaps you are tainted by his farewell speech at the OIC which had was a 45 minute speech and spoke about the Jews for all of 3 minutes. Most was using them as an example of diligence and being a close knit community.

Also, regarding OIC countries not needing a visa. How many countries needed one to get into the US until recently? Did Mexico? Canada? We are an Southeast Asian Country and we are close to Central Asia (most of which are Muslim).

Posted by: JAM at September 24, 2004 11:32 PM

respectable news sources?

like this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

how bout this?

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm

Posted by: truthseeker at September 25, 2004 12:13 AM

Untruthseeker,
Read the first bit from the ex german defence minister, what a crock.
How can you swallow such crap.
As for eg., his first comment after the commercial break. To explain the palestinians dancing in the streets after 9/11: " the palestinians were dancing and laughing.....because the tv crew of the minister of defense in Israel...gave them candies".

Really, that easy to get the arabs in palestine to dance and laugh. How stupid can you get.
Imagine, the only thing stopping the arabs in palestine from dancing in the streets is nobody is providing them with candy.

Bullshit.
Try using your brain instead of just believing whatever feeds your prejudices.

Posted by: dby at September 25, 2004 12:16 AM

Untruthseeker, the bbc has been an arab propaganda tool for some time now, to the chagring of the brit. gov.
It is an independent organization answerable to no one - - yet.
The question to be asked is who is getting rich, which employees have offshore illegal bank accounts.
It took weeks before they mentioned that the Sudanese gov. was arab and that the moslems being murdered in Darfur were non arab.
When the Sudan gov. was slaughtering the Christians and animists in southern Sudan, a slaughter that has been on going for years, i never heard the bbc note that this was an arab moslem gov. using modern high tec killing machines to murder whole villages of christians and animists. Bastards.

Posted by: dby at September 25, 2004 12:24 AM

jam:
"If you want to blame him for stepping on civil rights, you have an argument but not being a fundamentalist"

This is what I actually said:
raven:
"Through former PM Mahathir Mohamad, Malaysia has been becoming increasingly radicalised from its position of moderate Islam."

Mahathir is definitely not an Islamic fundamentalist and, yes, he and UMNO have been battling PAS.

However, he has also being play with fire with his populist 'oppressed Muslim' line, and that has only aided PAS.

http://www.fact-index.com/m/ma/mahathir_bin_mohamad.html
"In general, Mahathir is perceived as a moderate Muslim, but he is not above playing the fundamentalist card for political advantage."

here is the same sentiment expressed independently
http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/1678.cfm :

"Mahathir’s anti-Western sentiment saddens me for another reason—he and Malaysia could have been an effective bridge between the Islamic world and the West."

Posted by: raven_ at September 25, 2004 12:30 AM

Untruthseeker,
read the boston.com squib about the planned training exercise. So what ?
Not only doesn't it prove anything, it does'nt even suggest anything.
I supposes if there had been a fire drill at the world trade center a week before 9/11, you would think that incredibly significant.
And thank gosh there wasn't a Jewish holiday 9/11, that would, no doubt, have been proof positive to you of a conspiracy.

Posted by: dby at September 25, 2004 12:34 AM

Raven, you are absolutely correct about Mahathir.
In a moderate way, he certainly added fuel to the flames and, in a moderate way, said some amazingly stupid things for a bright man.

Posted by: dby at September 25, 2004 12:41 AM

Raven. Yes. What you said was...."Through former PM Mahathir Mohamad, Malaysia has been becoming increasingly radicalised from its position of moderate Islam

It seems to me that radicalised from moderate Islam would equate to fundamentalism? No? If you are using the radicalised to mean the implementation of ISA. It was around since the communist insurgency.

Anyway, I can't argue that the man is not a political creature. He uses EVERYTHING to his advantage.

Regarding the Anti-West rhetoric. Again this is rhetoric. I don't recall him asking people to take up arms against Westerners. He spoke about being INDEPENDENT (which was wise especially after the financial crises of the 80s) and not so readily to be west like. These are for national pride and business survival not to start kicking out Westerners and taking their land a la Zimbabwe. Don't confuse the two.

Also, I hope you guys know that he is no longer the PM.

Posted by: JAM at September 25, 2004 1:17 AM

dby,

There was a fire drill at the WTC a week before 9/11. That's when they rounded up all the Jews in a separate room and told them not to come to work on 9/11 because there were plans to frame the innocent UBL. It's sooo obvious. Michael Moore said so.

Untruthseeker is Michael Moore's love toy.

Posted by: RollingThunder at September 25, 2004 1:18 AM

It seems that anyone who expresses a view different from the West, your eyebrows suddenly raise. When you find out he's also a Muslim, then he's a potential threat.

I dare you to find me one leader of any Southeast Asian nation that hasn't said something against the West's (especially US) policies. Start with Thaksin from Thailand. His he a threat?

Posted by: JAM at September 25, 2004 1:22 AM

jam:
"It seems that anyone who expresses a view different from the West, your eyebrows suddenly raise. When you find out he's also a Muslim, then he's a potential threat."

what Western 'view' might that be? LOL

Muslims do a fantastic job at stereotyping themselves. They don't need any help with that.

Give you a simple, personal, example:
I have guy at work that one would consider a devout but moderate muslim. Very nice guy, gives me dates, tries to convert me at every opportunity (got a copy of the Koran from him) etc.

So I ask him: if a person leaves the Islamic faith is it ok to kill that person as punishment.

"Yes, absolutely, the koran...", the answer came back immediately.

This is not a marginal view, and this view is being condoned by the friday-prayer ideological top-up sessions for the masses everywhere in the world.

Potential threat? - yes indeed.

Posted by: raven_ at September 25, 2004 1:58 AM

truthseeker

Yeah your right that was definitely an American voice with a southern accent taking to air traffic control on 9/11, saying “we have some planes, be quiet and you wont get hurt”

We Americans are just so gullible, we believe anything the FBI tells.

Could they have had fake names? No! Impossible! How could a Moslem come up with an alias. Impossible!

I bet next you will tell us you live with
Elvis.... and you have proof!

Posted by: Bar at September 25, 2004 2:03 AM

It seems that anyone who expresses a view different from the West, your eyebrows suddenly raise. When you find out he's also a Muslim, then he's a potential threat.

I dare you to find me one leader of any Southeast Asian nation that hasn't said something against the West's (especially US) policies. Start with Thaksin from Thailand. His he a threat?

......Yes ...BUT(non-Muslim) Asian action against the civilized world is vastly different than Moslem action against the civilized world.
Any Asian,...(non-Muslim Asian)Problems have some hope of resolution.
Even CHINA finds common ground with the west while keeping their identity.
IE keeping the Hong Kong system of capitalism intact as a model to incorporate into the Chinese way.
With (non-Muslim) Asians who are against the west there is hope .
With MUSLIM nations there is
NO ......COMMON ........GROUND.
They OWN the entire PLANET.
And refuse to get along with ANYBODY including their Muslim neighbors.

Posted by: AvrageJoe at September 25, 2004 2:11 AM

Here are just a few more points to Robert's question,"Then what fueled jihad from the 7th century to 1949?)

"In reality Islam is a revolutionary ideology and programme which seeks to alter the social order of the whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals."Muslim" is the title of that International Revolutionary Party organized by Islam to carry into effect its revolutionary programme. And "Jihad" refers to that revolutionary struggle and utmost exertion which the Islamic Party brings into play to acheive this objective." pg 8

"Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of it's own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State."pg 9

"Islam is not merely a religious creed or compund name for a few forms of worship, but a comprehensive system which envisages to annihilate all tyrannical and evil systems in the world and enforces its own programme of reform which it deems best for the well-being of mankind." pg 19

"It must be evident to you from this discussion that the objective of Islamic "Jihad" is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of State rule. ISLAM DOES NOT INTEND TO CONFINE THIS REVOLUTION TO A SINGLE STATE OR A FEW COUNTRIES: THE AIM OF iSLAM IS TO BRING ABOUT A UNIVERSAL REVOLUTION." PG 24

Some have said that it is our policies that have brought all the movements for "Jihad" and the terrorist actions:, to those, the above passages are from a book called "Jihad in Islam"

The original text was taken from an address given by Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi on APRIL 13, 1939!

So, here we have it from the text of this man, as far back as 1939, what the clerics goal was for the "Islamic Revolution"

In 1939, we didn't even have a mid-east foreign policy.

Posted by: susan_b at September 25, 2004 2:39 AM

Bar,
I never said that Muslims weren't involved. In fact, one of stanley hiltons witnesses is one of the women who was married to the hijackers. he even took depositions from her. But the US govt sure as hell gave the cover and let the attacks happen. Just listen to the interview. Isn't it kinda strange how hilton has been threatened and his offices have been broken into by the FEDS and they stole documents? Is the former german defense minister also crazy? Listen to the interviews yourself. You have to be a fool to think that the US didn't let this happen or aid in it. they cooked up the bomb in the 93 wtc bombing, and tried to cover their tracks in OK city.

Posted by: truthseeker at September 25, 2004 3:14 AM

Posted by: truthseeker
Isn't it kinda strange how hilton has been threatened and his offices have been broken into by the FEDS and they stole documents

Do you have any poof of that?

I think you have a bad case of Cranial Rectal Inversion.. Get it looked at soon!

Is there anything the Government hasnt done..
For you that would be a much shorter list, so start there.

Posted by: Bar at September 25, 2004 3:33 AM

Wasn’t it Mahathir, the last PM who said a bucket load of anti-semitism when he was in power, the guy who choose this new PM. This kind of stuff is what you get when politicans have a large number islamist party members to appease. And Mahathir's police buddies so loved literally beating the stuffing out of his political opponants. Anwar just got out of jail and looks like a living corpse/punching bag. Will he ever walk again? As far as I know the non-muslim population is expected to support the other muslim half. Whenever a business is set up by an infidel a muslim business partner has to be appointed. Also there have been pogroms against the chinese there in the past. The country is not doing badly, however I keep thinking this is because the state can keep milking the non-muslims for cash to support the muslims. As Malaysia's muslim population increases and the non-muslim population decreases as a percentage I expect the country could go down hill. PAS (the fundamentalist party) has enjoyed alot of support up till recently. It has come close to a majority in elections before. It could cross over the winning line anytime in the future. Then Malaysia will get 10 times more psycho/nuttier.

Posted by: obl r us at September 25, 2004 3:35 AM

Well...in a Muslims mind we are to blame because we don't give in to their demands that we convert to Islam, pay the extortion tax, and let them rule the world.

Posted by: General_Patton at September 25, 2004 3:56 AM

If we just let Hitler take over the world he wouldn't have hurt us either...it was the fault of the allies that there was a war...if we just let him have what he wanted there would have been peace.

Posted by: General_Patton at September 25, 2004 3:59 AM

But the US govt sure as hell gave the cover and let the attacks happen.
Posted by: truthseeker at September 25, 2004 03:14 AM

Get off this stupid conspiracy theory left wing-nut garbage. Seriously, you people need mental help.

Posted by: Abu_Bin_Boobie at September 25, 2004 4:01 AM

truthseeker says:

"If you fly a cessna and are off course for 15 minutes, then jets will immediately be scrambled. can you explain to me how 4 commercial airliners can stay off course for an hour and a half going towards Washington DC and New York City"

Truthseeker, you need to find another handle or really live up to the name.

I work for one of the airlines who were personally affected by 9/11. In fact, my job requires me to know a lot about ATC and flying.

You do not know what the hell you are talking about. They do not scramble jets when a cessna is off course for 15 minutes.
Commercial aircraft have piece of equipment installed that makes it visable to controllers on the their radar screen. It's called a transponder. Most cessnas don't even have one. They fly around invisable to ATC but they do file a flight plan that has route and estimated time of arrival. ATC only starts looking for them when they are 15 minutes overdue at their destination and they never scramble jets to do so.

As for the 4 commercial jets, all Mohammed Atta and his cohorts had to do and did is turn the transponder off. They immediately then became invisable to controllers. Only one of the hijackers forgot to turn the transponder off if I remember correctly. The United flight that went down in PA. That airplane had been handed off to another center, Cleveland I believe. The New York controllers no longer had it. It takes time for people, even ATC controllers, to access information. Someone correct me if I am wrong for my memory starts getting a bit fuzzy about the timing. The New York controllers were just figuring out that maybe there were multiple hijackings occurring when that United flight had already started turning to the southeast. Once the New York controllers notified the rest of the centers, Cleveland center then notified the military. Jets were scrambled, but it was to late.

Posted by: Bailey at September 25, 2004 5:31 AM

Far left anti-war demonstraters use exactly the same arguments, which shows exactly how little substance these accusations have.

Claims such as this are completely contradicted when you look at the chechen jihad, the sudan jihad and jihad based terrorism allover India/Kashmir, Indonesia (against christians), Thailand (against Buddhists) just about every where in the world apart from South America (they probably save the easiest till last).
What the hell has any of that got to do with Palestine and Iraq (and even if it were about Palestine what the hell do they expect us to do, keep letting the entire of Arabia attack a tiny little country like Israel, what kind of madness runs through the minds of such left-wing geeks)???

Posted by: Rikki at September 25, 2004 5:38 AM

Lie-seeker,
I have been on every single US-involved-in-9-11-conspiracy-website you can think of and any normal intelligent human being would notice that all of them are full of inconsistencies, contradictions, lies and blatant fantasies.

9/11 happened , muslim terrorists did it, stop swallowing left-wing propaganda bullshit, gullible morons like you are their easiest targets.

Or could it be that you're another troll??? You successfully managed everyone to divert from the subject of this article....welll done!!!

And the award for most successful troll of the day goes to.... LIE-SEEKER!!!

Posted by: Rikki at September 25, 2004 6:03 AM

"Well...in a Muslims mind we are to blame because we don't give in to their demands that we convert to Islam, pay the extortion tax, and let them rule the world"

I think that the west (America) are to blame because of tolerance to islamic terrorism. I mean, if something like 9-11 occured in my part of the world (Asia), the reaction would be,

mosques will burn, heads (muslim) will roll, riots will occur and people will get killed.

But after 9-11, America's president went public and declared islam as a "religion of peace" and invited mullahs to his residence, then go on to invade Iraq even though 19 of the hijackers were Saudi's.

Posted by: callistos at September 25, 2004 11:13 AM

callistos

We have removed 40,000 Moslem from Iraq and Afghanistan we sent them home to Allah.

To bad someone forgot to tell them that there paradise with the 72 virgins, they are all virgin men!

Posted by: Bar at September 25, 2004 2:21 PM

Bar
you have me LOL

Mulsum is a mulsum is a terrorist!

Terrorist is a terrorist is a mulsum!

Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’

then you have those who are what he called Pollithest and they were to be killed TOO?

I really like this Q?

Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”

? why would the Black panthers join a groop that thinks they are donkeys?

For all you Women Lib's out there here we go?

Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”

Wait till the libs find out about this?

Qur’an 4:43 “Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.” [The Qur’an claims women are unclean and polluted—worse than dirt.]

Love the part like Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves.

My guess is they never heard of a PIT-BULL?

YEA YOU LIBS GO AHEAD AND DEFEND THE DEATH CULT!

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE NO FREEDOM DON'T ASK ME TO DIE FOR YOU I WILL BE BUSY THAT DAY?

SOME THINGS ARE WORTH FIGHTING FOR ME I AINT WEARING NO BURKA I WEAR SHORT SKIRTS! AND SH-T KICKERS AND DRINK BEER,WINE,WISKEY

AINT WORRIED ABOUT BEING RAPED BECAUSE I WILL SHOOT FIRST CAUSE WE HAVE THE 2ADD AND WILL NOT LIVE IN FEAR?

I BUY AMERICAN!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to Defeat Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat and give them balls to stand and Fight Amen

Posted by: Catherine at September 25, 2004 4:09 PM

susan_b states:

"So, here we have it from the text of this man, as far back as 1939, what the clerics goal was for the "Islamic Revolution"

In 1939, we didn't even have a mid-east foreign policy."

Excellent point and post.

Posted by: Moe's Foe at September 25, 2004 7:20 PM

Catherine

Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”

Wait till the libs find out about this?

I have told as many as I can, but they so far dont care, Bush hating is more productive.

No Islam, Know Peace....

Posted by: Bar at September 25, 2004 7:30 PM

Bar,

and in the process lose 1000 fighthing men and 70-XX billion dollars? What about the 3-5 million muslims living in America? Honestly speaking, I think what America has done to fight terrorism is pathetic.

Not that I'm suggesting that you go kill all muslims, but lets say China were America and 9-11 happened in a major Chinese city and China have the military capability of the US,

First, all muslims in the country will be rounded up and either exiled from the country or executed. Then, all mosques will be demolished, all Quran/Hadith publications burned and all islamic schools closed. Then, since 19 hijackers were Saudi's, it will be a perfect opportunity to declare war on Saudi Arabia to collect the oil. All Saudi funds (amounting to 3 trillion dollars) in the banks will be confisicated as well.

Posted by: callistos at September 25, 2004 9:20 PM

callistos

I wish we would do that!

That would make my day!

Have a great day my friend.

Bar

No Islam, Know Peace!

Posted by: Bar at September 26, 2004 2:59 PM