Makes you wonder if these learned scholars are blind or merely practising Taqqiya.As for Hook Hamza, the British Government have a lot of questions to answer over allowing in him the country in the first place, funding this bloodsucking parasite, second wife and eight little Hamzas; and ALLOWING THIS FANATIC TO PREACH
THEIRS AND EVERY OTHER NON-MUSLIMS' DEATHS!!

Posted by: Morgane at September 26, 2004 2:24 AM

T A Q Q I Y A ! ! !

What does the Qur'an say about this kind of behavior??

"So, when you meet (in fight Jihâd in Allâh's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islâm), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allâh to continue in carrying out Jihâd against the disbelievers till they embrace Islâm (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allâh's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allâh, He will never let their deeds be lost,"
The "Noble Qur'an" 47:4

I think we can ascertain that this type of behavior fits perfectly with the Qur'ans requirements.

Posted by: kc England at September 26, 2004 3:21 AM

"UK moderate Muslims: hostage-taking against Islam"

AND I AM THE TOOTH FAIRY

Posted by: obl r us at September 26, 2004 3:48 AM

Listening to what these "Sheikhs" and other Moslem clerics say only confuses the uninformed non-Moslem. It is the actions of Moslems, whether these actions are called "going by the book (Koran)" or doing something not written in the Islamic scriptures, that we must direct non-Moslems to consider.

We cannot convince the uninformed and confused Western non-Moslem populations that Islam means to subjugate or kill them by involving them in the dissimulating disputes of Islamic clerics.

The ordinary citizen of a Western country cannot be convinced that Islam means to do him in--either as a forced convert, a dhimmi, or a corpse--by references to the Koran and Hadiths.

If I go into a bar and try to convince the people that Islam means to take over the country by quoting verses from the Koran, I will not get very far.

If I go into the same bar and start talking about the beheadings, the killing of American troops in Iraq by jihadists, and the demands of Moslems for their own laws in our country, for public school cafeterias to follow Moslem dietary requirements, the teaching of sedition in mosques, and the danger that even the most innocent-appearing Moslem can pose as a fifth columnist, I have a better chance of affecting opinions.

It is fine to show the inconsistencies of the many spokesmen for Islam to those familiar with the Moslem teachings, but the citizens that must be woken up, made aware of the danger of islam, will look at you with blank stares if you start to spout Moslem scripture at them.

The awareness of the danger must be taken from the intellectual level to on that is easily understood by the majority of the non-Islamic population.

This is not incitement to illegal action but to initiate a demand by citizens for control at the borders, the ports of entry, and at the consulates abroad that issue visas.

Our citizens must be shown who is their enemy. It is not an abstract concept, a method of warfare called "terror." It is the people that employ that method among others, some violent, some insidious, that must be named.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 26, 2004 3:55 AM

EVERYONE, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE!!!

www.siteinstitute.org

JIHADISTS CELEBRATE BEHEADINGS ON MESSAGE BOARDS

please go and read the whole thing, but I'm going to post the one that concerns me. it will be the third one down on the page.

At 08:59am, "Fares Al-Ghad" posts the following message,

May peace be upon you, Allah's mercy and blessings,
Troops of helpers,

Allah has bestowed victory upon us yesterday afternoon. However, our rejoiceing and delight caused us to forget a great matter: Troops of helpers, today we must make America and Britain dream the nightmare of Abu Musseb [Al-Zarqawi]-
waking up all their sleeping, making ill their healthy and making mad their sane.

I'M GOING TO STOP HERE FOR JUST A SECOND AND ASK ALL OF YOU A QUESTION........................

in that passage, isn't that a direct threat against us and Britain????????

Now the rest of it.....................

The wise and shrewd thing to do id to take advantage of this victory, and not to let it flit past.

Publish this film in all of vile Americ's internet forums and in that of its cousin Britain.
Publish it in a minimum 100 forums, and then they will spread it, wishing they had never seen it.

Shoulder this, place it in as many forums as possible, and write this in their filthy newspapers and in their political forums.

Could this be why we've had a sudden influx of so called "moderate" muslims, ie, Paul, come to the site and try to get us to post onto the links they've provided?

Something to think about.

Robert,
What say you about the passage concerning America and Britain? Would like to hear yur opinion, please.
Thanks

Posted by: susan_b at September 26, 2004 5:02 AM

Justice for all !!

1. Zarqawi, Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, and these types of extremist radical Islamic individuals and groups are just some blind strayed ones. They interpret Quranic verses wrong and only with their own incorrect intentions. Majority of Muslims don't believe in their beliefs and even hate them because of their criminal acts - which are against Islamic teachings too! In Islam nobody is even allowed to kill prisoners of war, leave it alone for innocent people and particularly women.

2. Months ago when I watched the video of beheading Nick Berg, I got a very bad distinguishing feeling and I couldn't concentrate at my job for all the day. It was a very criminal bloodshed unreasonable act. Now whenever I hear that another hostage has executed (spec. beheading) I feel very bad and confused. At least in Iran everybody hate those radical groups. (Al-Qaeda and followers) They have also killed many Muslims till now in Iraq and Afghanistan.

3. Justice for all: Watching an innocent person who is beheaded by armed men is so horrible and annoying ... but what about watching B-52 fighters which bombard cities and civilians with 1000kg bombs? How many wedding parties have targeted by US airpower in Afghanistan till now? Does anybody have a correct number of under 15 kids that have been killed in Iraq by US military? and how many innocent women? I'm wondering if World can forget all those criminal acts in Abu Ghurib prison in Baghdad by US soldiers?

4. Quran has more than 6000 verses; in different categories and for different situations. If you simply read Quran with it's simple translation, you may even find some verses with opposite meanings! But no wonder, Quran is a book for all life, it has some different instructions and advices for different situation. Yes, it does contain some verses about Jihad and war with enemies (infidels) ... but there are not valid in every situation, every time, every where!
Eventually although Muslims should read their holy book, but they've been told to contact authorized Islamic scholars to get correct interpretation of them - for all matters.
In total, you can't find a small piece of Quran and simple translate it to show how it talks with Muslims. There are many conditions and situations that Quran doesn't address Muslims to fight and Jihad.

5. Muslims (at least Shia sect) don't consider Christians and Jews as "infidels" - but they are "people of the book". Infidels are who don't believe in God.

PS: I apologize for my weak English!

Ali.

Posted by: aliamiri at September 26, 2004 7:21 AM

Like McKinley once said:

"If you can't convince them, confuse them".

This piece of sagely advice, used by university students since ages now for everything from examinations to presentations to thesis defenses, is precisely what taqiyya and kitman are all about in the west right now.

God bless the free world.

Posted by: voletti at September 26, 2004 7:21 AM

Oops, that was McKlintock, not McKinley. Sorry.

Posted by: voletti at September 26, 2004 7:22 AM

As I said in an earlier post, to paraphrase DP111, I don't believe anything that comes from islam, its defenders nor its apologists.

Posted by: CGW at September 26, 2004 8:39 AM

September 26, 2004
4 Men Arrested in England trying to buy explosives for a dirty bomb funded by an Arab with over $500,000? Saw on fox news ticker?
MN man killed in car on Tracks? That is third this week?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen

Posted by: Catherine at September 26, 2004 9:19 AM

JWers:

This will be posted on multiple threads and periodically for the next few days, so I apologize in advance for the repetition.

Susan B and I are compiling a list of e-mail addresses for JWers/DWers who might wish to contact each other personally. Once your name is on the list, if someone wants to contact you, you will first be contacted by Susan who will obtain your authorization before giving out your e-mail address to the individual who requests it. So far we've had a pretty good response to our previous posts but there are a lot of familiar names missing! If you'd like to join our contact list, send your info (be sure to include your JW screenname so we know who you are) to susan_b356@yahoo.com.

CGW

Posted by: CGW at September 26, 2004 9:24 AM

Morning Nathan!

I checked that link. The Astronomy page especially, since astronomy has been one of my interests for over 30 years.

The sun can't overtake the moon?

This is supposedly the words of 'god' (allah)?

Did they never hear of Eclipses?

There is no science in the Koran. Period.

Posted by: Gary at September 26, 2004 9:54 AM

OT

Important article at nojihad.com on female genital mutilation in islam. Remember, female "circumcision" is required by shariah law.

Female genital mutilation in islam

Warning: this is not pleasant to read.

Posted by: CGW at September 26, 2004 10:08 AM

Al-Jazeera poll: 93% support kidnappings

Arabs ambivalent over hostage crisis
By Sebastian Usher
BBC World Media correspondent

BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/3684324.stm

September 23, 2004

The Arab media has presented the latest hostage crisis in Iraq as just another element in the bloody and chaotic pattern of violence in the country.

The latest developments have been reported and often broken on Arab television channels, but they have soon been superseded by bloodshed elsewhere in Iraq or in the Palestinian territories and Israel.

There has been little sign of the outrage that greeted the kidnapping of two French hostages last month and none of the soul-searching prompted by the Beslan siege.

The issue of foreign hostages in Iraq was examined this week on the most heated discussion programme on the Middle East's most-watched television station, al-Jazeera.

Television debate

In the programme The Opposite Direction a fiercely anti-American political analyst, Talat Rumayh, faced off against an Iraqi politician, Karim Badr.

Mr Rumayh claimed that the kidnappers were Iraqi resistance fighters and compared the number of their victims to the thousands of Iraqis, who had been killed:
"Two thousand people have been killed since the beginning of the attack on Falluja, which was dismissed in one report, one line or just a couple of words... while we keep hearing about the hostages. It's the hostages and the terrorists, always the terrorists," he said.

Karim Badr responded by saying all Iraq was disgraced by the beheadings.

"We have to prove our humanity. I am addressing my brethren in Iraq: These are masked creatures that resemble humans, who I am certain are uglier than their deeds," he said.

"Is the killing of people and exploding cars in the streets an act of resistance? Is the kidnapping and murder of people in this manner an act of resistance? I am certain they do not represent the Iraqi conscience in any way at all."

Viewers 'unmoved'

Viewers were unmoved. In a phone poll 93% supported the kidnappings.

A little later - after the beheading of the second American hostage - an Iraqi religious leader told al-Jazeera that the foreign hostages were capturing the world's attention at the expense of the Iraqi people's suffering.
In the Arab media, naturally enough, this order is reversed - with the plight of Iraqis and Palestinians overshadowing that of the hostages.

But this is not to say that the Arab satellite channels have ignored the human impact of the story - the hostages' relatives appeared live on al-Jazeera, hoping to convey their pleas for mercy directly to the kidnappers.

The Arab press has also, in the past, condemned Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as a thug who perverts Islam.

But there has not been the same outcry as when two French journalists were taken hostage and their kidnappers demanded that France rescind its ban on Islamic headscarves in schools.

Then, many Arab commentators warned that the kidnappers' actions could irrevocably tarnish the image of Islam and the Arab world.

This time, the kidnappers' demands are limited to Iraq, whose political and security problems remain the focus of Arab attention rather than the fate of Western hostages.

Published: 2004/09/23 17:15:14 GMT

Posted by: jeffreyimm at September 26, 2004 10:09 AM

Aliamini:

War without question represents the ugliest side of man. The Taliban where given numerous chances by the United nations and America to give up Al-Quaida but they chose not to.

If you think America is going to fight a kind of tit-for-tat war with primitive weapons, you are sadly mistaken. Yes innocent people will get killed in wars. The wars fought today are more discriminating than the wars against Germany and Japan. The western world tries hard not to hit civilian targets whenever possible.

Well how does one determine when the suras that call for jihad against the infidels in the Quran are valid or not? Radical muslims that you say do not represent the teachings of the Quran, or hadiths of mohammed are using them at will all over the world as we speak.

There are some 50 wars going on in the world right now and the majority of them are created sadly by muslims. Khartoum, the Sudan and Darfur region with its indiscriminite and genocidal murder of more than a million christians.

Throughout the world there are over 30 islamic terrorist organizations killing innocent people in the name of allah. Where is your voice against them? Wherever muslims go now, they preach hate and intolerance against all those who are not muslims.

Can America and the rest of the world standby and let this evil scourge of these radical islamofascists be perpetrated on them? Of course not! Does America want war ? of course not! But these Jihadists have brought this on themselves and America cannot just standby and put their collective heads in the sand. Actually America is just beginning to wake up to these threats coming from radical Islam and their ever rabid hate of us so-called infidels. Sadly radical islam does not seem to understand the great resolve that America will show if it has to to defend the freedoms that our great country enjoys.

Posted by: Mackie at September 26, 2004 10:18 AM

The BIBLE teaches us that when the people became ignorant they were banished to Babylon where they would remain ignorant and never know the word of God, to speak in unintelligible tongues forever that is the Word Of God.

"YKWH AKBAR"

Posted by: Chuck at September 26, 2004 10:19 AM

Please everybody check this websit out!
http://www.chick.com/catalog/TractLookUp.asp?Language=English and this one as well:http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1011/1011_01.asp
Hope it inspires you all.
Bar, I've already responded to your question, you can also check the links above.
Jesus is Lord!
Written by,
Ayatollah Dase (SWT).

Posted by: Dase at September 26, 2004 10:22 AM

To: CGW

FYI: Only male circumcision is a must in Islam and female circumcision is mainly a regional tradition (particulary in some African countries). Female circumcision has never addressed by Islam.

BTW, I read that articel which you had linked. It clearly contains a few lies or some untrue myths about Iran.

Ali.

Posted by: aliamiri at September 26, 2004 10:40 AM

Aliamiri,
Thanks for the assertion, but I will like to ask, which part of Africa is female circumcision a rule? I think I am an African.
Written by,
Ayatollah Dase (SWT).

Posted by: Dase at September 26, 2004 10:44 AM

"Examples of Shariah Law
What is the Shariah?

To whom it may concern:

Islam is often in the news these days. News articles that relate to Islam sometimes refer to the Shariah. What is the Shariah? The Shariah is the Islamic Sacred Law which was developed hundreds of years ago by Islamic jurists using the Koran and hadith (remembrances about what the Prophet Muhammad said and did during the time he was alive) as guideposts. The Shariah outlines a complete way of life in a legal framework which tells you how to do everything from how to pray to how to go to the bathroom. What does the Shariah law actually state? Here are some examples of Shariah law:

1. Offensive, military jihad against non-Muslims is a communal, religious obligation;
2. A person who is ignorant about Islamic legal opinion must follow the legal opinion of a scholar;
3. The penalty for a Muslim apostate (someone who no longer believes in or no longer follows the tenets of Islam) is death;
4. When slaughtering animals for food, a knife must be used to cut the windpipe and gullet;
5. A woman is only eligible to receive half the inheritance of a man;
6. Marriage may be forced on virgins by their father or father’s father;
7. A non-Arab man may not marry an Arab woman;
8. A woman must seek permission from her husband to leave the house;
9. A Muslim man cannot marry a woman who is a Zoroastrian, an idol worshipper, an apostate from Islam or a woman with one parent who is Jewish or Christian, with the other being Zoroastrian; a Muslim woman cannot marry anyone but a Muslim;
10. A free Muslim man may marry up to four women;
11. Retaliation is obligatory in most cases when someone is deliberately murdered except when a Muslim kills a non-Muslim, a Jew or a Christian kills a Muslim apostate or a father or mother kill their offspring;
12. Non-Muslim subjects (Ahl al-Dhimma) of a Muslim state are subject to a series of discriminatory laws – “dhimmitude”;
13. The penalty for fornication or sodomy is being stoned to death;
14. The penalty for an initial theft is amputation of the right hand. Subsequent thefts are penalized by further amputations of feet and hand;
15. A non-Muslim cannot testify against a Muslim in court; a person who is “without respectability” cannot give legal testimony; a woman’s legal testimony is only given half the legal weight of a man’s (and is only acceptable in cases involving property); to legally prove fornication or sodomy requires 4 male witnesses who actually saw the act;
16. The establishment and continuation of the Islamic Caliphate (by force, if necessary) is a communal obligation;
17. Sodomites and Lesbians must be killed;
18. Laughing too much is forbidden;
19. Musical instruments are unlawful;
20. Creating pictures of animate life is forbidden;
21. Female circumcision, which includes the excision of the clitoris, is obligatory;
22. Slavery is permitted;
23. People may be bribed to convert to Islam;
24. Beating a rebellious wife is permissible; and,
25. Lying is permissible in a time of war (or jihad)."

Mentat's article on shariah law

Posted by: CGW at September 26, 2004 10:59 AM

Our citizens must be shown who is their enemy. It is not an abstract concept, a method of warfare called "terror." It is the people that employ that method among others, some violent, some insidious, that must be named.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 26, 2004 03:55 AM

I just tell them did you hear ANOTHER MAN GOT HIS HEAD CUT OFF BY THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND DID YOU HEAR YOU KNOW THAT IS PART OF THEIR BELIEF? THEY SAY BUT I WAS TOLD AND THEN I GIVE THEM SOME WEBSITES AND COPYS OF SOME PRINT THE PEOPLE AROUND HERE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON ARE JUST WAITING FOR THE FIGHT TO REALLY START THEY ARE ARMING THEMSELVES WITH GUNS AND AMMO? LEARNING HOW TO FIGHT??

START LISTING ALL THE COUNTRYS WHERE THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST ARE KILLING ALL OTHERS LIKE POINT OUT REWANDA 2,000,000 CHRISTIANS A LITTLE INFO GOES ALONG WAY?

Sometimes simple is the best way We rednecks like it simple in black and white and ALL can understand they are warriors against this EVIL!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen

Posted by: Catherine at September 26, 2004 11:44 AM

Posted by: aliamiri at September 26, 2004 07:21 AM

Boy KJ are you in trouble??

ALI what about this in your book?

Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.”

What about this?

Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”

What about this?

Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”

What about this?

Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”

What about this?

Ishaq: 676 “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”

What about this??

Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’”

So you mussis have to worry TOO?

What about this?

Tabari VIII:178/Ishaq:550 “Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka’aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa’d [the Qur’an’s one and only scribe]. The reason that Allah’s Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur’an Revelation. Then he apostatized [rejected Islam].”

This one confusses me how can you live FREE?

What about this one?

Tabari VIII:179/Ishaq:550 “Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain because while he was a Muslim, Muhammad had sent him to collect the zakat tax with an Ansar and a slave of his.... His girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah. He was killed by Sa’id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled, killing her.”

Isn't this what they are doing in the Sudan?

What about this one?

Ishaq:551 “Another victim was Huwayrith. He used to insult Muhammad in Mecca. Huwayrith was put to death by Ali. The Messenger ordered Miqyas’ assassination only because he had killed an Ansar who had killed his brother by mistake and then became a renegade by rejecting Islam.”

Isn't this what is going on in Iraq Killing the Iraqi People?

What about this one?

Qur’an 3:131 “Fear the Fire, which is prepared for those who reject Faith: and obey Allah and the Messenger.”

you have forgot this one yes the non-belivers have some big fire coming your way?MOABs and other goodies?

What about this one?

Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”

Could that block be the ACLU? & CAIR?? & Cat Boy??

What about this one?

Ishaq:519 “Hajjaj said to the Apostle, ‘I have money scattered among the Meccan merchants, so give me permission to go and get it.’ Having got Muhammad’s permission, he said, ‘I must tell lies.’ The Apostle said, ‘Tell them.’”

YES TELL LIES? BUT THE 10 COMMENTS OF GOD SAYS THOUGHT NOT LIE?

What about this one?

Qur’an 5:41 “Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them.”

What about this one?

Qur’an 5:101 “Believers! Do not ask questions about things which if made plain and declared to you, may vex you, causing you trouble.” Qur’an 5:102 “Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account they lost their faith and became disbelievers.”

SO THAT ONE TELLS YOU TO REMIAN STUPID OR YOU WILL SEE THE TRUTH?

What about this one?

Qur’an 2:6 “As for the disbelievers, it is the same whether you warn them or not; they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts, upon their hearing, and a covering over their eyes. There is a great torment for them.”

SO WE HAVE TO ASK WHO ARE DISBELIEVERS?? ALL NON-MULSUMS AND EVEN SOME MULSUMS TOO??

What about this one??

Qur’an 8:18 “This and surely; Allah weakens the deceitful plots of unbelieving infidels.”

WEAKEN FOR WHAT?

What about this one?

Tabari VII:85/Ishaq:363 “The Jews of the Qaynuqa replied, ‘Muhammad, do you think that we are like your people? Do not be deluded by the fact that you met a people with no knowledge and you made good use of your opportunity.’”

YES THE WORLD IS BEING WARNED!!

What about this one?

Ishaq:248 “Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews. Allah said, ‘They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny the truth and contradict what the Apostle has brought. I will mock them and let them continue to wander blindly.’”

What about this one?

Bukhari:V4B52N147 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A man may seem as if he were practicing the deeds of Paradise while in fact he is from the people of Hell.’”

FOR THE MULSUM WORLD THIS IS UBL & ARAFAT AND ALL FOLLOWERS!!

What about this one?

Qur’an 3:24 “They have been deceived by the lies they have themselves fabricated; their religion has deceived them.”

THOUGHT THAT YOU SAID ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE NO RELIGION?

What about this one?

Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”

SOUNDS LIKE WAR TO ME??

What about this one?

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

WOW!OH MY!

What about this one?

Qur’an 33:64 “Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers [whom he defines as Christians in the 5th surah] and has prepared for them a Blazing Fire to dwell in forever. No protector will they find, nor savior. That Day their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire. They will say: ‘Woe to us! We should have obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!’ ‘Our Lord! Give them double torment and curse them with a very great Curse!’”

SURE SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MURDER TO ME??

What About this one?

Qur’an 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”

and then there is this?

Bukhari:V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.”

SO WHY HAVE ALL THE MULSUMS MOVED TO CHIRSTIAN LANDS?

What About this one?

Qur’an 88:21 “You are not a warden over them; except for those who turn away and disbelieve, in which case, he will be punished with the severest punishment. Verily to Us they will return.”

COULD THIS BE WHY UBLYELLOW COWARD [who has not been seen since TORA BORA] SAYS IT IS OKAY TO TAKE OUT MUSSIS IN ENGLAND??

what about this one?

Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.”

???

What about this one?

Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”

Yes this will be your curse you defame the people of the BOOK!!

What about this one?

Qur’an 60:5 “We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.’”
Qur’an 48:13 “If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!”

What about this one?

Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair (Ezra) the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!”

This is not what you wrote?

What about this one?

Qur’an 9:113 “It is not fitting for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for the forgiveness for disbelievers, even though they be close relatives, after it is clear to them that they are the inmates of the Flaming Hell Fire.”

SO ALL THAT CRAP ABOUT WE FEEL FOR YOUR LOSS WE ARE NOT LIKE THAT IS A LIE!LIE! MOON FOLLOWER!

What about this one?

Qur’an 5:78 “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”

WHO IS IT YOU HATE AGAIN?

What about this one?

Qur’an 5:80 “You see many of them allying themselves with the Unbelievers [other translations read: “Infidels”]. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah’s wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.”

Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”

Qur’an 5:86 “Those who reject Islam and are disbelievers, denying our Signs and Revelations —they shall be the owners of the Hell Fire.”

I HAVE TO LET YOUR BOOK DO THE TALKING? i'M WAITING FOR JUST ONE OF YOU SAY THIS IS NOT TRUE AND SO FAR YOU ALL JUST RUN AWAY? BUT THEN WE HAVE THE VERSE THAT SAYS TO LIE SO HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU AND YOURS EVERY TIME WE HAVE YOU STAB US IN THE BACK??

What About?

Tabari IX:78 “No polytheist shall come near the Holy Mosque, and no one shall circumambulate Allah’s House naked.”

have to end with the nudist hippies yes they are pretty dumb?

Hope you respond and explain these ? in your book?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen

Posted by: Catherine at September 26, 2004 2:00 PM

A Gitmo inmate Maulvi Abdul who was released got killed in Afghanistan. After being released, the bugger went back to Afghanistan to become a Taleban Commander - fortunately his career has been 'short lived!'But see what happens - soon as they are freed Jihadists are off to kill again...

Posted by: Morgane at September 26, 2004 3:31 PM

does it work

Posted by: John Palubiski at September 26, 2004 3:50 PM

If a kafir person (non-believer) goes in a Muslim country, he is like a cow. Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law. ...If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he’s booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don’t do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It’s OK....I say the reality that’s in the Muslim books anyway. Whether I say it or not, it’s in the books.

Thank you Abu Hamza.

I'm ever so grateful to Abu Hamza for being so candid about Islam. Why is he berated? Here is an honest man, an honest Muslim, and yet he is hounded. He speaks the truth and the Western press hound him.

The real danger is the moderate Muslim, the taqqiya practioner who beguiles the West till the time is ripe to move boldly and strike. This time may not come in the next decade, but come it surely will, if the tide if muslim invasion/immigration is not stopped or even reversed.

The likes Abu Hamza and Sheikh Bakri are our allies. It is the reason why so many moderate muslims wish him to just go away. Hamza and Bakri are giving the game away.

Posted by: DP111 at September 26, 2004 4:19 PM

I don't care about how many times a Imam or Muslim cleric rants on and on about something that is un-Islamic and against the teachings in the quran.

I say - SHOW ME

Cite the verse that states clearly that any violence or killing for Allah is totally
forbidden under any case.
During a Muslim TV show about the Quran the Imam
did quote a verse condemning sin,except he also followed it with a "BUT" and cited another verse that can over-ride this command under conditions of war,one thing he said was that Muslims can lie
to protect other Muslims from any perceived injustice against them by non-Muslims.

With England only having about 0.0008 percent of the worlds Muslims,I doubt the 99.9992 other Muslims live by a British Imam's definition of the
Quran and Muhammed's teachings.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at September 26, 2004 4:52 PM

Dear Catherine,

You said:

"Sometimes simple is the best way We rednecks like it simple in black and white and ALL can understand they are warriors against this EVIL!!"

Yes, yes, Catherine! That was my point. Keep it simple. We will have a hard time convincing people that are unfamiliar with the ideology of Islam by quoting Koranic verses and ahadith. The ACTIONS of Islamic jihadists against the rest of us are what counts.

Argueing with Moslems gets us nowhere. They are as slippery as eels. Look at the guy in this comments section: he says parts of the Koran may be true for certain situations, but other parts that refute them are suitable when the former are not applicable. Give me a break!

Nothing any Moslem says is believable--and nothing they ever say will save them. It took us some time, but now we got their number. Dissimulation and lies, we can look right through them. You want to kill us? We can understand that. You want us all to "return" to being Moslems? Not as readily understood but the underlying threat that if we don't, you will kill us, comes across clear as was the New York sky on 9-11-01.

We are safe from Moslem jihad because we are "People of the Book?" Yeah, sure. Didn't Mahomet(mhrih) say that about the Jews? There is only one language the Moslem jihadist understands;
and it ain't that of words.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 26, 2004 7:46 PM

I like Catherine 'cause she'll use a chainsaw to carve a turkey!

Posted by: D' Artist at September 27, 2004 3:35 AM