September 27, 2004
I have a ? Why do the Mulsums of England and Nasseem tell us over and over again about the #s like 1.8 million in England? 1.2 billion around the world?

Their math is no good to my count! Tell you my thinking! Let’s take England first pop of London last time I ck’ed was over 10 million? And the pop of all of England was over 50,000,000 so the math would have to be saying that all the Brits are cowards and I can’t get my head around that?

Next lets look at what is the # we here over and over again 1.2 billion? Well in this world that is a small # there are over 1 billion in China alone? And most are third world countries?

Lets look at the USA what are they trying to tell us that there are 5 million [more like 2 mil] but lets give them that there are how many hunters in the USA over 50 million and those are just the ones who have registered to hunt ? Now looking at the # coming out of Iraq again hate to do this BUT these are their best trained how many are the Islamic sites saying have been killed 30,000 to our 1100? So when I do the Math it don’t look to good for the terrorist mulsums?

BUT once again ARM your Citizens in England!!

WE WILL WIN THIS FIGHT never dought it!!

When I see old footage of WW2 and all that was rebuilt ? this is nothing!!

Another thing looking back in history was Abe not a real President because the southern states did and were not allowed to VOTE?

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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat and give them Balls to stand and Fight Amen

God Bless the Countries who Have Hero’s!!
Pity the countries who need them?

PS
Why does the U.N. complain about the death plenty in the USA but all Mulsum countries have the Death Plenty?

Posted by: Catherine at September 27, 2004 10:04 AM

It is good to have a Close Reading of what is, or should be, a transparent attempt to confuse Infidels, to deflect attention, and to present such a highly selective reading of Qur'anic passages and hadith as to be comic. Just look at the simultaneous assertion that kidnapping is not allowed, and then at the actual passages in the islamonline.net site, not only showing that kidnapping is allowed but that there are certain specific exceptions, but always with one assertion leading to an obvious question that is not answered. It would normally seem, for example, that if Muslims assert that only those who are "at war" should be subject of attack, but then what is the Muslim definition of being "at war" -- we do not realize from the tortuous account presented by these "Muslim scholars" (self-appointed? with authority from themselves, presumably) that being "at war" can cover just about everyone, when it is so desired.

One more example of the campaign, at this point, to protect Islam by obfuscating, confusing, denial of the obvious, tortured twisting and selection of passages. How stupid, how stupid do they think Infidels are? We have only to look about us, from Beslan to Islamabad, from Baghdad to Darfur, from New York to London, from Marseille to Turin, to see what Muslim behavior has done to our world.

The quality of life, of thought, of the world's general morale, is being steadily lowered by those who stoutly defend what is contained in Qur'an, hadith, and sira, and by those who deny what is stated in all three, whether out of ignorance or, in most cases, out of something more sinister.

Posted by: Hugh at September 27, 2004 10:24 AM

Gawd, these pathetic and obviously misleading condemnations of hostage-taking, less so of suicide bombings etc is beginning to get a tad boring, eh?

We should maybe have a new sister site called "taqiyya watch" wherein to host all these news-pieces. What say you, Mr. Spencer?

Posted by: voletti at September 27, 2004 1:32 PM

Are we not tired of this hair-splitting? It is endless, and Muslims will wear you down; they live for it.

Are we not tired of hearing that Islam forbids this or that, as if that matters one iota?

The fact that Robert can counter-quote means nothing in the end, because 5 or 10 or 100 more Muslims will be born in or enter the USA. And this happens because the public, average Joe and Jane, have not been told, in a simple manner, the core principles of Islam and its history. It really is NOT difficult. Islam is what it has always been, is acting as it has always acted, and is trying to destroy the Infidel as it has always tried to. ISlam must be recognized for the evil that it is by everyone. Ali Sina is right.

What is needed is to somehow make a full-frontal assault on the mainstream media to bring the essence of Islam from the bottom up, or inside out, so that the public at large starts any discussion of Islam with the thought "ISLAM IS EVIL" and Muslims will have to convince them it is not.

We know the truth, but we are not enough. Nothing will happen unless the cry comes from the bottom, making the politicians take notice.

We at NoJihad have started sending letters to journalists who have already shown some insight and guts. What must be said to them is that writing about jihad or dhimmitude in a webzine is just not going to be effective fast enough. They should be writing the equivalent of Hugh's "Islam for the Perplexed", and push to get it published everywhere until places like the NY Times simply cannot ignore it.

The words 'Islam' and 'Muslim' must be made as toxic as 'Nazism' and 'Nazi' are now. The are no 'moderate' Nazis, no self-declared Nazis that are allowed to claim ignorance of the Nazi agenda, and we deport Nazis.

Posted by: Ethelred at September 27, 2004 1:42 PM

An addendum to the above.

If anyone wants to join in and help try to get those who have access to the media to expose Islam outside of any particular incident or aspect, that is, to expose Islam as the death cult that it always has been, please contact me at:

questioningIslam@yahoo.com

Ethelred

Posted by: Ethelred at September 27, 2004 2:43 PM

My dear Ethelred,

I don't mind criticism -- I can take death threats and cries of "hatemonger" by the pound -- but I must say I was a bit surprised and saddened by your remark that "the fact that Robert can counter-quote means nothing in the end, because 5 or 10 or 100 more Muslims will be born in or enter the USA."

It seems to me that allies should stick together in this struggle and not attack one another, or we will be making the work of our enemies that much easier.

I applaud your efforts, although my skepticism about the ability of email campaigns to prevail upon Rather and Co. to be more fair in their coverage prevents me for the moment from joining in. However, I would respectfully suggest that your Paul Revere call to them will fall on deaf ears unless you can refer them to someone who has done the spadework to show why so many of these nice moderate Muslims who condemn terrorism are not necessarily what they seem, and that they should adjust their response accordingly. Otherwise, why should they believe you?

Thus, even my small efforts here, I believe, have a place in the larger anti-jihad struggle, and I hope you will see that and not disparage them in the future. There is no actual need to run down what I am doing in order to build up what you are doing, and I believe that in the long run it is counterproductive.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at September 27, 2004 3:35 PM

Spencer and Ethelred:

Both your opinions and actions count. WHo's more right than the other is a nonsensical question. Let each play to his/her strengths and let us all do our bit.

And yes, no point bickering and finger-pointing within ourselves.

Posted by: voletti at September 27, 2004 4:00 PM

new game today?

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Posted by: Catherine at September 27, 2004 4:02 PM

Robert,

The last thing on my mind was to attack you personally, or JihadWatch in general. I was not disparaging your efforts in the struggle.

What I was trying to say, poorly I guess, is that Islam would just love to argue with you over this or that arcane detail. In the end it doesn't matter if this or that so-called 'moderate' Muslim can condemn some barbaric behavior by quoting something from somewhere. It also doesn't matter if some jihadist can justify his behavior by quoting something somewhere.

What I think voting age America needs at this point is more Islam 101 (a la "Islam for the Perplexed") getting to 60 minutes, 20/20, the History Channel, the NY Times, in our schools, etc so that we can be like Singapore as far as Islam is concerned, and it would happen because THE PEOPLE would demand it, since THEY NOW KNOW. A big part of the problem is that I think we Americans just cannot believe that such an evil, especially wrapped as a religion, could actually exist.

At this point I am anti-Islam and anti-Muslim, not anti-jihad.

Yes, I get frustrated and pop off, and post things that sound like I am criticizing what you are doing. I have sounded off against Daniel Pipes also, especially his insistence on the existence of moderate Islam and Muslims. But believe me, that was not my intent. We are all in the same battle. It is just that SINCE 9/11, I see more Muslims where I live, IN FULL BURKHA, our borders are still open, and we seem to be waiting for the other shoe to drop.

And to Catherine: this is not a game. What are you doing?

And to Hugh: your posts inspire me (and others). You say this:

It is good to have a Close Reading of what is, or should be, a transparent attempt to confuse Infidels, to deflect attention, and to present such a highly selective reading of Qur'anic passages and hadith as to be comic.

and I say that it IS transparent and comic, but that is because WE KNOW. I want EVERYONE to know, sooner rather than later.

And to voletti: thanks for being the referee.

Sincerely,

Ethelred

Posted by: Ethelred at September 27, 2004 6:29 PM

If I could put in my two-cents worth (for all that's worth), yes, Ethelred, we are tired of hair-splitting by Moslem "clerics" that crawl out of the woodwork to defend Islam.

Many of us, including me, do not have the disposition nor patience to refute their arguments with counter-quotes. The Moslem dissimulations, however, are believed by the uninformed--government officials, media, and citizens--unless they are countered by references to the Moslems' own scriptures.

When I am faced with the convoluted and cunningly irrational reasoning of Moslems, I feel as Alexander did when challenged to undo the Gordian knot. This method of problem-solving, however, is not acceptable to most,if not all, in government, media, and the public. Perhaps this is why our successes against the Islamic enemy do not match those of Alexander when faced by his adversaries.

I have neither the nature nor the patience to search the Koran to destroy the latest Islamic protestations of the ideology's blamelessness for the actions of its followers. I can only point to the discrepancy between what Islamic "authorities" are spouting and what Moslems are doing all over the world.

This, however, is not good enough to convince the those less simple-minded than I am. That is why Robert's analysis and counter-quotes are priceless. This site, with Robert's commentary on media and other Islam-related items, is where ideas how to counter the mind-numbing onslaught of Islam are born.

It is unncessary to repeat here that ideas give rise to action. I will repeat it nonetheless. All ideologies that have to be defeated--Nazism, Communism, Mohammedamism--started with the idea, formulated by one individual, and embroidered with modifications by those that rallied to that individual's banner. The idea then became action.

If we want action that is not mindless, a blind striking out at the well-constructed ideology facing us, we need ideas that can be refined and simplified so thast they will lead to the action desired by all of us jihad-watchers here.

The inception o these ideas begin witht Robert and his website.

Hugh and many of you here, with your expositions, advance these ideas--that is, take off and run with them. This is where Ethelred and his boiling down and simplification comes in.

Even if, as Ethelred says, "5 or 10 or 100 more Muslims will be born in or enter the USA" there will be those ready to take the appropriate action.

Ethelred is correct when he says, " . . . the public, average Joe and Jane, have not been told, in a simple manner, the core principles of Islam and its history."

Whose fault is that? Government first of all and the of course the media. Academics, as a group, appear at this time to be a lost cause in this endeavor.

Ethelred is right again when he says, "It really is NOT difficult." The message can be simplified, as he says, "Islam is what it has always been, is acting as it has always acted, and is trying to destroy the Infidel as it has always tried to."

It is not dificult, if you have the means to get the message out and widely distributed.

Our message: "ISLAM IS EVIL." (Ethelred)

How to get it widely distributed? Not so simple. We have made inroads, there are instances when people on TV now say "Islamic Terrorists." The idea that Islam itself is the engine behind the attack on us has not yet been adopted. Infected by the Islamic insinuations that the Islamic terrorists have "perverted the religion," etc. the disseminators of information to the public are repeating this lie.

A full-scale assault on the media and government is a tedious and time-consuming effort. E-mails to TV programs to be read on the air, carrying our message, whenever appropriate are one way.

Hard-copy letters to Congress people, and newspapers, TV and stations, are preferable to e-mails--not as readily disposed of. Mas mailings of the same letter with different signatures most probably find their way to the trash.

That is why getting huge numbers of diverse letters mailed to centers of influence is a tedious and overwhelming task.

What would be a good alternative?

Until we can come up with a practical campaign medium, we cannot achieve the desired result: the widely held belief among our public, government, and media that Islam is evil, and as Ethelred says, "Muslims will have to convince them it is not."

I realize that I have said in many words what violetti said before in a few. If expounding on violetti has added to understanding the relation of the realms of ideas and the practical--that of action, then it was not for nought.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 27, 2004 7:17 PM

Unicorns62k:

Its voletti, not 'violetti'. Thank You.

And Ethelred:

"And to voletti: thanks for being the referee."

You're welcome. :-)

Posted by: voletti at September 27, 2004 7:29 PM

Posted by: Ethelred at September 27, 2004 06:29 PM

Yes it is a game a game of LIFE and DEATH!!

Plain and simple if you live in America Buy A gun!! The Press has let this go because they are lazy? The Young People in this country have seen more than the old People because they saw the Videos of MONSTERS CUTTING MENS HEADS OFF WITH THEIR HANDS TIED BEHIND THEIR BACKE all in the name of their god a rock!!

You have not done your reserch you have just started the trail because you looked up from your slumber and your eyes are OPEN now it is your Job to tell others who will hear!! to prepare for the Storm and Make sure you tell of the LIES they tell!!

Mutilation of victims and Muslim law
By Jeff Jacoby | June 13, 2004
"A RECENT FATWA posted on a popular Islamic website in Saudi Arabia," reports Neil McFarquhar in The New York Times, "explains when a Muslim may mutilate the corpse of an infidel."
The ruling by Sheik Omar Abdullah Hassan al-Shehabi specifies two circumstances in which the desecration of an infidel -- a non-Muslim -- is permitted. One is retaliation "when the enemy is disfiguring Muslim corpses or when it otherwise serves the Islamic nation." The other is when mutilation will "terrorize the enemy" or "gladden the heart of a Muslim warrior."
Given those conditions, it is hard to imagine a situation in which an Islamist militant couldn't justify the mutilation of a victim's body.
"That a cleric can post such an argument in an open forum," commented McFarquhar, "goes a long way toward explaining how the most radical interpretations of religious texts flourish in Saudi Arabia."
But they don't flourish only in Saudi Arabia.
The popular "Ask the Scholar" feature of Islam Online (www.islamonline.net) was recently asked "how Islam views the issue of mutilating dead bodies of enemies." In a reply, Sheik Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, began by declaring that mutilation is "not allowable" under Islam. But then came the loophole:
"It is possible to mutilate the dead only in case of retaliation. . . . If he inflicts any physical damage on anyone, he should be retaliated against in the same manner. In case of war, Muslims are allowed to take vengeance for their mutilated dead mujahids (fighters) in the same way it was done to them." This, the European sheik explained, is the teaching of the Koran (16:126), which counsels patience but authorizes revenge.
Does this mean that normative Islamic law authorizes Muslims to mangle the bodies of non-Muslims they have killed? I am not a scholar of Islam and would not presume to say. But two facts seem indisputable: (1) A Muslim intent on such mutilation can find clerical authority to justify it. And (2) a small but implacable minority of Muslims are intent on such mutilation. Indeed, it has become a signature of the evil we are fighting, as the news of the last few months has shown.
(Warning -- the following descriptions are graphic.)
Fallujah: Four Americans are ambushed, dragged from their vehicles, jumped on, and pounded with bricks. As jubilant Iraqis chant Islamic slogans, the bodies are dismembered and set on fire. Two of the charred remains are then hung from a bridge; the other two are dragged behind cars along the city's main street.
Khobar, Saudi Arabia: A British oil executive, Michael Hamilton, is one of 22 people murdered in an Al Qaeda attack. His corpse is dragged through the city, then dumped near a bridge.
Gaza: After six Israelis are blown up in a bomb attack, Palestinians are filmed dancing in the streets and playing with the dead men's body parts. In a video, two Islamic Jihad terrorists take credit for the massacre -- and display the severed head of one of their victims.
Iraq: Islamofascists videotape their murder of Nicholas Berg, a 26-year-old US civilian. Shouting "Allahu akhbar!" ("God is great!"), they saw off Berg's head as he shrieks in pain and fear.
The disfiguring of victims' bodies did not begin this year. In a notorious lynching four years ago, two Israeli reservists were taken from their car to the second floor of a Palestinian police station in the West Bank town of Ramallah, where they were literally torn limb from limb. Their internal organs were pulled from their bodies, their eyes were gouged out, and what was left of them was thrown from a window to a cheering crowd below, which set the corpses on fire and dragged them through the town.
Perhaps even more infamous -- at least to Americans -- were the beheading of journalist Daniel Pearl in Pakistan in 2002 and the mutilation of the bodies of US soldiers in Somalia in 1993.
We are in a war to the death with an enemy whose deepest civilizational values come straight out of the 8th century. In the world that they would impose on us all, there is no dissent, no pluralism, no path to God but theirs -- and no mercy or tolerance for those who might choose a different path.
Our enemies make no secret of their intentions: We will bow to their totalitarian idea of Islam, or we will be killed. And not only killed, but mangled, mutilated, and subjected to the most hideous indignities they can devise.
The terrorists and their followers burn and batter corpses for the same reason the Taliban smashed magnificent statues -- for the same reason Hitler wrote "Mein Kampf": to openly proclaim their contempt for the moral principles of the civilized world.
Ultimately it is up to the world's moderate, modern Muslims to rise up against the barbarians in their midst. Until that day comes, there is nothing the West can do to ameliorate or appease this enemy. We can only destroy it -- or be destroyed.
Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.

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Posted by: Catherine at September 27, 2004 7:41 PM

sorry voletti, my eyes were dim from typing out all that.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 27, 2004 9:06 PM

Please keep beheading the civilians. Please keep posting your bloody sadistic videos of heartless religion cloaked murder. I never hated the Islamic people as a people until I saw these videos. I am sickened by the massive Islamic internet support these cowardly acts have generated. We as a free thinking people don't all support or approve of everything our countries do. We need to be provoked into hate, like these videos of you devils on earth sawing off the heads of more bound, helpless, civilians will surely do.

If you really want your so-called "holy war" I for one am now finally down with it. The fine Japanese people were once just as fanatical and just as willing to die for the cause. They also were real into raping and beheading the innocent civilians in Nan king. The only way to stop this is to resort to the hell on earth kind of war where civilian casualties must be allowed. After all, in this country or their own, these killers are all civilians in light.

I don't easily anger to this extent but the videos really worked. I wish the media would air them, and the towers falling 10 times a day. So we don't forget! Those burning ships full of teenage men on that Sunday morning sneak attack in 1941 was never allowed to be forgotten. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians died in the fire bombing of Tokyo and the atom bombs as a result.
But also as a result, Japan is no longer a brutal country of brainwashed, fanatic raping murderers. It is a free thinking society with a great PEACEFULL, free thinking people, a people who don't always agree with their leadership, and are not afraid to say so.

I am ashamed of what we did there. We surely would have been tried war criminals had we lost. But war IS hell, it has to be in order to stop the brainwashed, fanatic murderers who don't kill civilians because they must, but because (like son of sam, the crusaders or the KKK)god tells them it's their most rewarding duty to murder anyone who is different no matter how helpless or innocent.

Pray to Allah for your jihad, keep sawing off heads, and I'll now be praying to the same higher love that you get your big jihad, an ALL OUT NUCLEAR JIHAD, THE SOONER THE BETTER!

Posted by: kidcharlamaign at September 28, 2004 12:14 AM