Why are these psycopaths being allowed to carry their war capabilities to such a level.
They are just as dangerous now as Saddam was before the coalition took him out, if not more so.

Fuck the elections Bush, get Iran sorted, because they sure as hell aren't waiting till after them, and if Kerry does get in (I pray to all the Gods that he doesn't), we'll never see this regime of dangerous nutcases get slammmed back to the dark ages where they belong.

Posted by: Rikki at September 28, 2004 6:41 AM

Things were a lot simpler when they were followers of Zarathustra.
Good morning, Rikki.

insomnia bug is hitting hard tonight.

Posted by: Afrafaste at September 28, 2004 6:52 AM

Then you have imbecile "columnists" in the media blaming Israel's possession of nuclear weapons as justification for Iran to acquire them.

It wont be a communist country that detonates one killing hundreds of thousands..its going to be a Muslim one....or one of their kind.....its only a matter of time thats all.

Posted by: Joe Bananas...in Pyjamas at September 28, 2004 6:58 AM

*nod* I'm surprised something on a small scale, dirty bomb or such hasn't gone off yet. It's a good thing the Israelis did what they did back in 1981.

Posted by: Afrafaste at September 28, 2004 7:10 AM

oh....i'm in boxers.

Posted by: Afrafaste at September 28, 2004 7:11 AM

No-one will touch/attack a Iran with NUKES. I think we are going into a long period of extortion and intimidation by Iran. Irans economy is a corrupt basket case so I think it will be hard for the mullahs to resist the temptation to rip-off the west. A good reason to develope our own renewable energy sources. I think then the islamist oil states will implode as their economies go rotten.

Posted by: obl r us at September 28, 2004 7:20 AM

Afrafaste,
The only reason ones hasn't gone off yet is because we thwarted Saddam before he got chance to build them, Pakistan has them but they're reserved for India, which leaves only Iran (or maybe some rogue element of Syria...ie- all of it).
If a nuclear bomb hit Israel it woul;d be a disaster,it would annihilate the vast majority of it's population.

Granted, they'd be struck back hard (and hopefully the idiotic muslim-loving left would shut their mouths and take a damn good look at who the real bad-guys are), but are we really going to sit back and wait for them to strike first.
Preemptive strikes worked a treat in Iraq (not in the eyes of loony-liberals of course, but it worked), for the sake of PC and keeping the left-wing happy (if that is at all possible), I hope we're not going to make the epic mistake of allowing Iran the soft touch of UN inspections.

BTW- It's 12:26 PM here in sunny England!!!

Posted by: Rikki at September 28, 2004 7:24 AM

Rikki....
I agree with all you say. Pak and India should stay peaceful unless the fundamentalists get control of Pak (far from farfetched)....
4:30 here in California....

I should be getting tired soon; nothing cures insomnia like knowing it's time to get up!

Posted by: Afrafaste at September 28, 2004 7:35 AM

A nuclear confrontation is inevitable - and by the look of matters will take place before the end of the year. No intelligence gathering required, just read their government communiques. It's kilotons vs gigatons. They're at the technological level the US was in 1946. Now that's still quite devastating, but it pales at the thermonuclear devices available to the US (and Russia). It could be a hammer and anvil job if the two states waste Iran simultaneously.

As events unfolded in the second world war, the US military had to take the position that the civilian population was playing a role in supporting the state's war efforts, rejecting the misguided philosophical parlour debates about the legitimacy of hitting military targets nested in civilian areas. These muslims have done this deliberately thinking they'd gain a degree of protection.

If you doubt the willingness to take any measures to defeat the enemy, WWII is instructive. To achieve victory, more destruction was caused in france by its allies than in germany by the time it was over. Sadly, its unlikely the Iranian people will escape the same fate.

Posted by: newtopia at September 28, 2004 8:27 AM

Newtopia,
Unfortunately you might be right, which is exactly why I say, nuke them before they nuke us.
Preemptive nuking is the way.

Lets not waste the lives of anymore REAL humans that could have been prevented.

Iraqn needs taking apart NOW!!!

Posted by: Rikki at September 28, 2004 8:32 AM

The really bad part is, we may Talk about it, but Iran or N. Korea (Thank you, Clinton & Mrs. Albright!) are going to Force our hand sooner or later.

It will be. Entirely. Their Fault.

One could hope Russia would do it. However this ends, guaranteed that half the planet will blame Us rather than thank us for saving their lives, their economies, their cultures.

Posted by: Gary at September 28, 2004 8:37 AM

Israel will do it, and we'll back them up.

They really have nothing to lose. What, it's going to hurt their "image" in the islamic world?

Posted by: CGW at September 28, 2004 8:52 AM

I am sure the media will see this as proof that Bush has again caused there to be more risk to America by what he has done since 9/11. They will fail to mention the strike on the Osiraq nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981 by Israel...

Unfortunately, if Iran in fact does have a nuclear capacity and these missles in fact are viable, then we have another 20 year nuclear era. The difference will be that Europe will be building nuclear shelters like the States did during the cold war.

Iran CANNOT be allowed to develop nukes and a system to deliver them, whatever the cost. Period.

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 28, 2004 8:54 AM

CGW,
No but you can bet your balls it'll hurt their "image" in the liberal world.

Posted by: Rikki at September 28, 2004 8:57 AM

Gary,
I'm still optomistic about the part Russia have to play in this war, they've yet to reveal their cards, and hopefully they'll have the winning hand.

Posted by: Rikki at September 28, 2004 9:01 AM

I am glad to see France has a clear idea what the threat will be to their country over the next 20 years...

http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040927115229.ze6e7zvb

"Traditional EU heavyweight France, the fiercest critic of the war on Iraq, says the conference ought to discuss the question of withdrawing US-led forces from the country, and should include representatives of the armed opposition."

Sheesh.

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 28, 2004 9:02 AM

It's informative isn't it that our news media have endless reports about the bad situation in Iraq but no coverage about the horrors of living in Iran. If the liberals and the media gave as much support to the Iranian resistance as they give to the Iraqi "resistance" (sorry I meant to say murdering scum) then the situation inside Iran could turn ugly for the mullahs. But once again we see that for the PC multicultral left it's better for third world people to live under regimes that murder, execute and mutilate than it is for them to be given basic freedoms by the West. By the Left's logic if the Nazis had been brown-skinned third-worlders then we would have had no right to go in and destroy the concentration camps. It's amazing - for the left to acheive it's "utopia" it's happy to see milions of people in the third world die or live in fear. It must be great to be a PC leftie living in a nice home, eating good food , having the frredoms to say what they want WHILE denying those same things to the very people they supposedly champion. Let's face it the Left aren't really pro-anything , they are simply ANTI anything to do with the West. In other words they hate themselves - what a sad affliction. Is there a cure ?

Posted by: Son Of Albion at September 28, 2004 9:18 AM

Morning Folks.

No-one will touch/attack a Iran with NUKES.

Posted by: obl r us at September 28, 2004 07:20 AM

I respectfully disagree. North Korea, with or w/o nukes has been outta bounds coz Seoul (home to 1/4th of the South's population) is within artillery range and hence held by the jugular. Iran doesn't enjoy similar hostage luxuries.

Tehran can sabre-rattle all they want. One night of precision bombing will finish this military threat convincingly. A few hours are all thats needed to take out ALL their nuke facilities, missile silos, air bases, comm centres and armoured divisions - all in one go.

Besides, there'd be generous help from israel and Russia (maybe China too, bigtime opporunists all) can be persuaded to play along with offers of lucrative oil-&-gas field development deals....

Letthe party begin!

Posted by: voletti at September 28, 2004 9:34 AM

During a military parade last week, Iran showed off its range of ballistic missiles draped in banners vowing to "crush America" and "wipe Israel off the map".

Is this not a declaration of Total War against those two countries?

Evils of Total War - http://www.wtj.com/archives/hiroshima.htm

"We have discussed among ourselves the ethics of the use of the bomb. Some consider it in the same category as poison gas and were against its use on a civil population. Others were of the view that in total war, as carried on in Japan, there was no difference between civilians and soldiers and that the bomb itself was an effective for tending to end the bloodshed, warning Japan to surrender and thus to avoid total destruction. It seems logical to us that he who supports total war in principle cannot complain of a war against civilians. The crux of the matter is whether total war in its present form is justifiable, even when it serves a just purpose. Does it not have material and spiritual evil as its consequences which far exceed whatever the good that might result ? When will our moralists give us a clear answer to this question?

P.S. Are there any moralists in Iran?

Posted by: Prophet2004 at September 28, 2004 9:36 AM

This is a standing headline, isn't it?

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney at September 28, 2004 9:39 AM

During a military parade last week, Iran showed off its range of ballistic missiles draped in banners vowing to "crush America" and "wipe Israel off the map".

More saber-rattling from Tehran. From AFP, with thanks to Ali Dashti:

Posted by: Prophet2004 at September 28, 2004 9:42 AM

How many more times do muslims need to be humiliated by Isreal....they have tried over the years and failed in their efforts to 'wipe Isreal off the map'...the Jewish people are Gods children...evil can never defeat Gods children....and as for them 'crushing America'....who says muslims have no sense of humor?

Posted by: USAgirl at September 28, 2004 10:08 AM

When I try to open the comments section for the Sept. 27 "Stop the Presses! . . . " article, all I get is a blank page. Can anyone else get the comments?

Posted by: CGW at September 28, 2004 10:10 AM

I can see the comments...last one made yesterday at 3:18pm

Posted by: USAgirl at September 28, 2004 10:20 AM

Dear Son of Albion,

You're absolutely right...the Left's only coherent position is its hatred of Western Civilization, which in reality is self-hatred, because even the idea of "self criticism", which they have taken to the absurdest of extremes, is an idea that springs from western civilization. Anything goes, as long as it does harm to our countries and our cultures. Look at the inanity of feminists celebrating the Taliban! I live in France...before 9/11, the Leftists were falling all over themselves bemoaning the destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, the lynchings of criminals, the non existence of rights for women. But the minute the USA sets its sights on the Taliban regime...well!!!...all of a sudden they had to think of 10000 reasons why the Taliban should not be ousted...and believe me, they came up with them!

Is there a cure? You bet there is. Tonight, before you go to bed, get on your knees and say the "Our Father" and the "Hail Mary". Ask our Lord and his Blessed Mother to save the island that was once their England. England needs to be saved. Last year I went on a business trip to England and entered a church in Birmingham to pray, and I swear to you, there was a poster in the entrance of the church which said "Muslims, it's their turn", and it was all about how the Muslims had to be coddled and listened to and understood, and "given their chance" in defining faith. And this from...the Church of England! I stood transfixed in front of this poster, shaking my head in disbelief.

If you want to save your culture, you have to save your religion. Start praying. Tonight.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 28, 2004 10:29 AM

CGW has been that way most of yesterday guess the mussi don't want People talking about Russia Joining the Fight with the USA? Like vio says the Chinnese dont like it?

We don't have to nuke them we have some other goodies??

Hear more Islamic Terrorist DEAD today!!

Notice nasseem paki fat babe is bragging again today?

WE SEE ALL THE TERRORIST THE PACKI'S ARE HIDDING!! Guess they forgot what Bush said to yo the Taliban?

WE KNOW NO SEE UBL SINCE TORA BORA WHAT A YELLOW COWARD!!!

Por Iran an EARTHQUAKE [hand of God] KILLED 30,000??

UN going Down!!

PEACEFUL MUSLIM HYPOCRITES:
Qur’an 48:11 “The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.’ We have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!”
Qur’an 48:17 “There is no blame for the blind, nor is it a sin for the lame, nor on one ill if he joins not in the fighting. But he who retreats, (Allah) will punish him with a painful doom.”
Qur’an 4:77 “Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’”
Qur’an 4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! If some good befalls, they say, ‘This is from Allah;’ but if evil, they say, ‘This is from you (Muhammad).’ Say: ‘All things are from Allah.’ So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”
Qur’an 4:88 “What is the matter with you that you are divided about the Hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (causing their disbelief). Would you guide those whom Allah has thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah has thrown aside and led astray, never shall they find the Way.” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Qur’an 47:20 “Those who believe say, ‘How is it that no surah was sent down (for us)?’ But when a categorical [decisive or uncompromising] surah is revealed, and fighting and war (Jihad, holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) are ordained, you will see those with diseased hearts looking at you (Muhammad) fainting unto death. Therefore woe unto them!”
Qur’an 47:21 “Were they to obey, showing their obedience in modest speech, after the matter (of preparation for Jihad) had been determined for them, it would have been better. Is it to be expected that if you were put in authority and given command that you would do mischief in the land and sever your ties of kinship. Such men are cursed by Allah. He has made them deaf, dumb and blind.”
Qur’an 4:97 “Verily, when angels take the souls of those who die wronging themselves (by staying home), they say: ‘In what (plight or engagement) were you?’ They reply: ‘Weak on the earth.’ Such men will find their abode in Hell, an evil resort!”
Qur’an 4.:8 “Except those who are feeble—men, women and children—who cannot devise a plan nor have the means or power. These are those whom Allah is likely to forgive.”
Qur’an 9:16 “Do you think you will get away before Allah knows who among you have striven hard and fought?”
Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”
Qur’an 9:43 “May Allah forgive you (Muhammad). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind; you should have persisted as regards to your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until you had known the liars.”
Qur’an 9:44 “Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day do not ask for an exemption from fighting with your goods and persons. And Allah knows well those who do their duty.”
Qur’an 9:45 “Only those ask for exemption (from Jihad) who believe not in Allah and whose hearts are in doubt, so that they are tossed to and fro. If they had intended to march out to fight, they would certainly have made some preparation and readied their equipment; but Allah was averse to their being sent forth; so He made them lag behind. ‘Sit you among those who sit.’ If they had marched with you, they would not have added to your (strength) but only (made for) discord, spying and sowing sedition. There would have been some in your midst who would have listened to them. But Allah knows well those [peace-loving Muslims] who do wrong and are wicked.”
Qur’an 9:48 “They had plotted sedition before, and upset matters for you until the Decree of Allah [to fight] became manifest, much to their disgust. Among them are many who say: ‘Grant me exemption to stay back at home (exempted from Jihad). And do not tempt me [with promises of booty].’ Have they not fallen into temptation already? Indeed, Hell surrounds them.”
Qur’an 9:67 “The Hypocrites enjoin what is forbidden, and forbid what Islam commands. They withhold their hands (from spending in Allah’s Cause [Jihad]). They have forgotten Allah so He has forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are oblivious, rebellious and perverse.”
Qur’an 9:68 “Allah has promised the Hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers the Fire of Hell for their abode: Therein shall they dwell. It will suffice them. On them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment, a lasting torment.”
Qur’an 9:74 “The Hypocrites swear by Allah that they said nothing, but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they disbelieved after Surrender (accepting Islam). They meditated a plot (to murder Prophet Muhammad) which they were unable to carry out. The reason for this revenge of theirs was the bounty [of booty] with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back, Allah will punish them with a grievous torment in this life and in the Hereafter.”
Qur’an 9:75 “Some of you made a deal with Allah, saying, ‘If You give us booty we shall pay You the tax.’ But when He gave them booty, they became greedy and refused to pay. As a consequence of breaking their promises, Allah filled their hearts with hypocrisy which will last forever.”
Qur’an 9:77 “He punished them by putting hypocrisy in their hearts until the Day whereon they shall meet Him, because they lied to Allah and failed to perform as promised. Allah knows their secrets. Those who slander and taunt the believers who pay the zakat (for Allah’s Cause) voluntarily and throw ridicule on them, scoffing, Allah will throw back their taunts, and they shall have a painful doom. Whether you ask for their forgiveness or not, (their sin is unforgivable). If you ask seventy times for their forgiveness Allah will not forgive them.”
Qur’an 9:81 “Those who stayed behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger. They hated to strive and fight with their goods and lives in the Cause of Allah. They said, ‘Go not forth in the heat.’ Say, ‘The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat.’ If only they could understand! So let them laugh a little, for they will weep much as a reward for what they did. If Allah brings you back (from the campaign) to a party of the hypocrites and they ask to go out to fight, say: ‘You shall never go out to fight with me against a foe. You were content sitting inactive on the first occasion. So sit with the useless men who lag behind.’ Do not pray for any of them (Muhammad) that die, nor stand at his grave. They rejected Allah and disbelieved His Messenger. They died in a state of perverse rebellion.”
Qur’an 9:85 “And let not their wealth or (following in) sons dazzle you or excite your admiration. Allah’s plan is to punish them with these things in this world, and to make sure their souls perish while they are unbelievers. When a surah comes down enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive hard and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask you for exemption from Jihad. They prefer to be with (their women), who remain behind (at home). Their hearts are sealed and so they understand not.”
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe him, strive hard and fight jihad with their wealth and lives (in Allah’s Cause).”
Qur’an 9:90 “And there were among the wandering desert Arabs men who made excuses and came to claim exemption (from the battle). Those who lied to Allah and His Messenger sat at home. Soon will a grievous torment seize them.”
Qur’an 9:93 “The (complaint) is against those who claim exemption [from fighting] while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind (at home). Allah has sealed their hearts. They are content to be useless. Say: ‘Present no excuses: we shall not believe you.’ It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe. They will swear to you by Allah, when you return hoping that you might leave them alone. So turn away from them, for they are unclean, an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place, a fitting recompense for them.”
Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”
Qur’an 9:101 “Among the desert Arabs are hypocrites. They, like the people of Medina are obstinate in hypocrisy. We know them. Twice shall We punish them, and in addition they shall be brought back to a horrible torment.”
Qur’an 9:120 “It is not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs to refuse to follow Allah’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allah’s Cause), nor to prefer their own lives to his life. They suffer neither thirst nor fatigue in Allah’s Cause, no do they go without reward. They do not take steps to raise the anger of disbelievers, nor inflict any injury upon an enemy without it being written to their credit as a deed of righteousness.”
Tabari IX:13 “Muhammad turned to see Umm, a pregnant woman, who said, ‘O Messenger! Kill those [Muslims] who flee from you as you kill those who fight you, for they deserve death. Here is my dagger. If any come near me I will rip them up and slit open their belly with it.’”
Tabari IX:49 “One of the hypocrites, feeling an aversion to battle, being skeptical of the truth, and spreading false rumors about Muhammad, said that they should not go out in the heat. With regard to him, Allah revealed: ‘They said, “Do not march out in the heat.” Say, “The heat of hell is far more intense.”’”
Ishaq:602 “Jadd told Muhammad, ‘Will you allow me to stay behind and not tempt me? Everyone knows that I am strongly addicted to women. I’m afraid that I’ll see Byzantine women and will not be able to control myself.’ The Apostle gave him permission to remain behind. It was about him that Allah sent down: ‘There are some who say: “Give me leave to stay behind and do not tempt me.” Surely they have fallen into temptation already and hell encompasses these unbelievers.’ (9:49) It was not that he feared the temptation from the Byzantine women. The temptation he had fallen into was greater in that he had hung back from the Apostle and sought to please himself rather than Muhammad. Verily hell awaits him.”
Ishaq:603 “One of the estranged ones said to another, ‘Don’t go out to fight in this heat.’ He disliked strenuous war, doubted the truth, and created misgivings about the Apostle. So Allah sent down regarding them, ‘And they said, “Do not go out in this heat.” Say, “The fires of hell are hotter. Let them laugh a little now for they will weep a great deal later as a reward for what they did.’” (5:82)
Ishaq:603 “Some Bedouins came to apologize for not going into battle, but Allah would not accept their excuses.”
Ishaq:246 “The surah of the Hypocrites came down because some men sent secret messages to the Nadir Jews when the Apostle besieged them. So Allah sent down, “Have you not considered the Hypocrites who say to their brethren, the People of the Book [Jews], ‘We shall never obey anyone against you. If you are attacked and driven out we will help you. Allah bears witness that they are liars.’”
Qur’an 59:11 “Have you not observed the Hypocrites saying to their unbelieving brethren among the People of the Book, ‘If you are expelled [from your homes by the Muslims], we will go with you?’ But Allah is witness that they are liars. If the Jews are expelled, never will the Hypocrites go with them; if they are attacked, they will not help them defend themselves. In truth you [jihadist Muslims] are more fearful and awful (than they) because they are afraid of you. This is a result of the terror (sent) by Allah. They are men devoid of understanding.” Qur’an 59:14 “They are a divided people devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so both of them will end up in Hell.”
Qur’an 8:20 “O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger. Do not turn away from him when you hear him speak. Do not be like those who say, ‘We hear,’ but do not listen. Those who do not obey are the worst of beasts, the vilest of animals in the sight of Allah. They are deaf and dumb. Those who do not understand are senseless. If Allah had seen any good in them, He would have made them listen. And even if He had made them listen, they would but have turned away and declined submission.”
Qur’an 8:47 “Be not as those who came from their homes full of their own importance, trying to turn men away from [fighting] in Allah’s Cause. Allah is encircling them. Satan made their acts seem alluring to them, and said: ‘No one can conquer you this day, while I am near you.’ But when the two armies came in sight of each other, he turned on his heels, and said: ‘Lo! I am not with you. I see what you cannot. Verily, I fear Allah: for Allah is severe in punishment.’”
Qur’an 8:49 “When the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease said: ‘The religion has deceived and misled them.’”
Qur’an 8:55 “Verily the worst of creatures, the vilest of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him and will not believe. They are those with whom you make an agreement, but they break their covenant every time, and they keep not their duty [to fight].”
Qur’an 61:2 “O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”
Qur’an 63:1 “When the Hypocrites come to you they say, ‘We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allah.’ Allah knows you are His Messenger, and Allah bears witness the Hypocrites are indeed liars.” Qur’an 63:2 “They have made their oaths a screen, thus they obstruct (men) from the Path of Allah: truly evil are their deeds. That is because they believed, then they rejected Faith: So a seal was set on their hearts.”
Qur’an 63:4 “When you look at the Hypocrites, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are pieces of wood propped up. They think every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah is on them! Allah will destroy them. How are they deluded and perverted?” Qur’an 63:6 “It is equal to them whether you ask forgiveness or not. Allah will never forgive them. Allah does not forgive the transgressing people.”
Qur’an 63:7 “The Hypocrites are the ones who say, ‘Spend nothing on those who are with Allah’s Messenger so that they will desert him.’ But to Allah belong the treasures of the earth; but the Hypocrites understand not. They say, ‘If we return to Medina, surely the more honorable (element) will expel the meaner (i.e., Muhammad).’”
Ishaq:372 ““When he went out, Abd Allah bin Ubayy [the man who had advised against leaving town] came back with 300 men, saying, ‘We do not know why we should get ourselves killed here.’ So he went back to Medina with the Hypocrites and doubters who followed him. Abd Allah bin Amr said, ‘Allah curse you, enemies of Allah.

This is what the Arabs and Nasseem Paki babe are fighting over as the stupid woman has said before they all want the power?

They never will because they have forgotten the waring in their book 5:32??

It is the warning that they will kill all mulsums? and they follow a yellow monster with this curse they will be destoryed and all who follow them look at iran and 30,000 dead!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DEFEAT THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE EYES OF THE WORLD TO THEIR THREAT AMEN

PS

I posted this Link on that line?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-09/25/content_2020144.htm
ZHENGZHOU, Sept. 25 (Xinhuanet) -- The Chinese military launched an exercise with live ammunition code-named "Iron Fist-2004," in the Queshan Training Base in Henan Province, central China, Saturday morning.
The exercise was carried out by a reinforced mechanized infantry division in mountains in the training base of the Jinan Military Area Command of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA).
Some 60 foreign military leaders, observers and officers from 16 countries observed the exercise, including Brunei, the Philippines, Tajikistan, Bangladesh, Cambodia, India, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Pakistan, Russia, Thailand, Uzbekistan and Vietnam.
It is the first time for the PLA to invite so many high-ranking foreign military officers to observe a military exercise, which is also the largest-scale military exercise opened to foreign observers, said a Chinese officer in charge of the maneuvers. Enditem

OH!MY!

Posted by: Catherine at September 28, 2004 10:29 AM

China currently imports 25% of its energy needs. It relies on price stability in the global energy markets to maintain its steady course on the road to market oriented economic reform. If energy supplies become unstable, the Chinese reforms will falter. If the reforms falter, the populace will demand a fix from the government. The demand will be in the form of dissent and subversive activism. A collapse of the economic reforms could lead to unrest and in the extreme, civil war, in a country of over one billion inhabitants.

The stakes are too high for China to stand on the sidelines and hope for the best in the Middle East. They will participate in "stability" operations if necessary.

So the mullacracy had better hope that their hyperbolic chest pounding does not wake up the Dragon. Yamamoto's Giant is already stirring in the wake of 9/11 and the hybernating Bear is now aroused from its slumber by Beslan.

Yes indeed, I will say it again, these are once in a millenium events that we are witnessing. God have mercy on us all.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at September 28, 2004 11:15 AM

Saddam and his rapist son Uday always talked trash like this too, and we all see where those two assholes are now. One in a cage, and one on ice.

If Iran wants to drag their knuckles on the ground as they walk, talking about how they're really not a 4th rate military power, but dominant over us, this should give us free reign to send a few gifts their way to let them know we're listening to the shit that dribbles from their mouthes.

Persian princesses.

Posted by: DCWatson at September 28, 2004 11:33 AM

"Things were a lot simpler when they were followers of Zarathustra. "

If Islam did not exist, our world history would be very different today. The Middle East would be a lot more peaceful.

Posted by: abad at September 28, 2004 12:47 PM

LOL I remember seeing a news cast where they were interviewing a local muslim. He was saying that islam is a religion of peace, thats hard to believe. The best part of the news cast was while he was talking they were showing the ballistic parade in a background with the signs "crush America" and "wipe iseral off the map". Sounds kinda like an oxymoron to me. I wonder if the news staff was showing that on purpose?

Besides I if Iran was to get a nuke, I don't think they would be able to get it over here. Well they certainly couldn't launch it over here because it would just be shot out of the sky. While if we launched a nuke on Iran they are not as technologically advanced as the US and would most likely not be able to stop the incoming nuke. Now if they somehow sneaked a nuke or dirty bomb over here and detonated it that would be a different story but still highly unlikely in my opinion.

Posted by: Stephen_P at September 28, 2004 1:45 PM

"Iran vows to crush America"....

Relax everyone,I have two words for you that will provide you with all the reassurance you need that "that AIN"T going to happen". The two words are: "TRIDENT SUBMARINE". Does anyone NOT believe that the USA doesn't have one or more of these BAD BOYS on station in the Persian Gulf/Indian Ocean. Each of these boys carry 24 missles with 10 nuke warheads each and they have a range of 4,600 miles.If Iran should pop off one of the Sunburn nuke missle/bombs they are suspected to have, well I'm afraid they will cease to exist as a viable society

Posted by: krkrjak at September 28, 2004 2:08 PM

Posted by: Stephen_P at September 28, 2004 01:45 PM

Are you one of those Democrats who didn't want missile defence? Are you one of those who is unaware of the missile that hit Alaska from N.Korea?

Are one of those who still smoke dope not aware that Terrorist run drugs and how easy it would be ? Are you one of those who Thought 9/11/2001 could never happen?

Are you one of those who will throw your vote to ubl oh I mean Kerry?

You sound like the Germans before we droped the bomb do not be a stupid man?

YES WE WILL WIN but not by being Stupid!!

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Posted by: Catherine at September 28, 2004 2:23 PM

The reality of the situation is that Iran is full of shit. The ignorant SOBs are more likely to shoot their foot off then anything. Shooting your foot with a nuke should concern your neighbors however.

It would be just wonderful, in my mind at least, if the nations in the Middle East that are currently ruining life for the rest of us would just nuke each other into random atoms. Can I see a show of hands?

The only problem is ... any exchange of nukes would be disastrous for the rest of us. The fallout from their primitive nukes would spread over the planet causing even more trouble for us. Maybe we should just sell 'em some 'cleaner' nukes. No? Maybe you're right.

I still say Jimmy Carter screwed us when he signed the Neutron weapon treaty. Neutron radiation, focused into tight beams and delivered from orbital platforms to urban battlefields rids the area of the undesirable biological bits and leaves the infrastructure intact for future occupation. Inhumane you say? I fail to see it. It is inhumane to allow mad dogs to savage civilized people and hold the world for ransom.

We have the technology.

fg

Posted by: f.g. at September 28, 2004 2:42 PM

f.g.

How stupid is it to think that a nuke going off is the end of us all? Remember we have done it on Japan twice and there are still people there you have watched to many movies???

The only problem is ... any exchange of nukes would be disastrous for the rest of us. The fallout from their primitive nukes would spread over the planet causing even more trouble for us. Maybe we should just sell 'em some 'cleaner' nukes LOL!LOL!LOL!

You must have watch Dr. Strange Love and believed that about floridie?LOL

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Earthquake in CA and no body hurt much less killed?

Posted by: Catherine at September 28, 2004 2:52 PM

Catherine,

My post was quite 'tongue in cheek', sorry if that wasn't obvious to you.

However, you believe bad science if you think that there could be a nuclear war fought and it not affect the entire world in a very bad way.

I didn't say it would be a "the end of us" I said it would be disastrous. Do you know the difference?

The school of thought that says we could use tactical nukes or that there is a winnable nuclear war is as dangerous as Islamic thinking. It is stupid to say the least. Only a complete fool would think that there could be a winner in a nuclear war.

Also, neutron weapons are currently limited to bombs, not directed energy weapons as I joked. Israel has plenty of neutron bombs BTW.

I was joking about selling them ‘cleaner nukes’ but the facts are we possess nuclear weapons that are do not release the amounts of radioactive fallout that more primitive nuclear weapons such as those used on Japan produce. Nevertheless an exchange of modern nuclear weapons would send the world into a greater state of paranoia and hell than we are already in. We don’t need that.

Any country, any leader, that thinks it can actually ‘use’ nuclear weapons for anything, anything at all and not throw the world into a hell we’ll never escape is insane and doesn’t need to have them. Plain and simple. Believe what the hell you want. Ignorance abounds.

fg

Posted by: f.g. at September 28, 2004 3:23 PM

f.g....

Are you really that naive to believe that the USA does not possess neutron bombs? The USA has weapons in its arsenal that the general public are clueless about.

Posted by: krkrjak at September 28, 2004 3:52 PM

from Catherine....
PEACEFUL MUSLIM HYPOCRITES:
Qur’an 48:11 “The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.’ We have
...and on and on...

This from AP:

"Three more people starved to death this month reading Catherine's post as she makes her bid to
supplant Mentat in Jihadwatch's competition for...."

Posted by: Afrafaste at September 28, 2004 4:02 PM

This Sunday! Massive Demonstration in Trafalgar Square @ 12 Noon 03 October 2004...

The theme is NO to Terror and we are joined by many other groups including Russians, Hindus, Sikhs etc. This is the first joint demonstration between all of us saying NO to Terror in London, and we are proud to be a big part of it. There will be guest speakers from all communities. Hope to see you all there !!! Tell all your friends and and send this as an email to everyone you know.

See you there. :-)

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Posted by: Nannette at September 28, 2004 4:04 PM

f.g.
I don't remember saying nuke anybody I have said we have other goodies like the MOABs which does not have the fallout but gets the job done?

Now lets look at the pakis and their I believe they call the mulsum bomb? and lets not forget they have spread stuff to other countrys? and the notes were written in Chinese?

I have the same hopes that Bush has that peace and FREEDOM will change things BUT and that is the problem?

I would not wait for the rattle snake to bit me I would shoot it and make a nice hat band?

As they say the snake is still across the road for now? But We thought that about N. Korea,Paki,India now do you want to wait for the smoking gun or take the gun out of the child before it smokes?

Gen.Tommy Franks said "We are in this war do you want to fight it over there oor over here I pick over there"

I agree with the Gen.

Cause the bullets we are talking about are really BIG!!!

I know that the Fallout is bad but do not try to scare people to what is not true We Will Win!!

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PS
Again I have not called for nukes but I'm not against useing them if we need to!!
And We will FORGIVE OURSELFS FOR WHAT THE TERRORIST MAKE US DO LIKE OUR GRANDPARENTS DID IN WW2!!!

Posted by: Catherine at September 28, 2004 4:05 PM

"Three more people starved to death this month reading Catherine's post as she makes her bid to
supplant Mentat in Jihadwatch's competition for...."

Posted by: Afrafaste at September 28, 2004 04:02 PM

We love Mentat

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Posted by: Catherine at September 28, 2004 4:15 PM

I'm quite sure that any nuke launched at any ally of the US or UK would be met with a devastating response from either or both countries. The UK & US have a nuclear pact - a nuclear strike on either one is a strike on both and will be met with "full retaliatory response" nuke speak for "you've had it"

I doubt that Iran has the capability to hit northern Europe or London with ballistic missiles - yet. Any launch of such a missile (for a test) would have been detected by NORAD, Fylingdales, the Russians etc and its trajectory computed. If it was computed to go beyond Iran's borders it would have immediately been flagged and a response solution computed.

It's worth remembering that the UK also owns and operates Trident D5 subs and several other nuclear armed weapons systems, with others in a "mothballed" state. We might appear weak at times but we would never take a nuclear threat or hit without a full "response"

Iran would do well to remeber that.

Posted by: RW at September 28, 2004 4:16 PM

The theme is NO to Terror and we are joined by many other groups including Russians, Hindus, Sikhs etc. This is the first joint demonstration between all of us saying NO to Terror

Posted by: Nannette at September 28, 2004 04:04 PM

You should be protesting to get your guns back all that other stuff is window dressing???

When johnny is in the street and a car is comming do you say come and he stands there or do you go grab his arm and yank him out of harms way?

Americans do the Yank!!

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Posted by: Catherine at September 28, 2004 4:26 PM

Nannette-

I hope the message doesn't get diluted or hijacked somehow, and I hope you have a great turnout! (I'd love to come, but it's quite a swim...) Best of luck!

Posted by: kafira at September 28, 2004 4:37 PM

This kind of talk is beyond the furtherest bounds of sanity. The Jihadists have already declared the intent to deliver WMD to the United States. And Iran says things like this as they work on nuclear weapons?

Folks should think back to the cold war. Never did either side commit to delivery of WMD. This is absolute lunacy. And none of us should speak lighly about a thermonuclear detonation in a population center: we cannot even imagine the destruction and suffering...

But this is what the Jihad is bringing us to. The United States, Israel, Britain, France (at least before any future Muslim takeover), China, Russia, India, and even Pakistan (but could Pakistan in the right circumstances?) would never talk like this.

And North Korea...Stalinists and Jihadists...

My God, religious or not, pray, a theromnuclear war (even if we 'win') will burn human history in ways that none of us can fathom...

Posted by: JTF at September 28, 2004 4:56 PM

This is just the usual boasting of Islamists, confident that allah will get them out of a hole if things get really bad. In this they have some justification, as in all wars with Israel, they lost miserably and their annihilation was prevented by the USA. Similarly in Bosnia and Kosovo. But Muslims do not see it that way. As far as they are concerned, it was allah that saved them using America as a tool.

I think though that if we wished, we can take these threats at face value and eliminate this part of the world. It is simply a question of timing. It is a pity as Iranians show an indication of leaving Islam.

Posted by: DP111 at September 28, 2004 5:06 PM

The talk is "beyond the bounds of sanity..." They call them "Mad Mullahs" for a reason as they are extremists involved in End Time theology being brought to fruition through nuclear war...

Posted by: epg at September 28, 2004 5:17 PM

Thanks kafira,

We've never had an all-communities anti-terror demonstration in London before, so it's a first.

Please God it will go well and we'll have a good turnout. :-)

It would be absolutely mind boggling if there were any counter demos on the day though!

Posted by: Nannette at September 28, 2004 5:44 PM

People, I don't think we should forget that a lot of Iranians are as pissed off with the mullahs as we are. Obviously more so because it's young Iranians who are being imprisoned, tortured and executed by the islamists. Our governments need to spend more time and energy isolating the Iranian regime (i.e. no more trade deals France and Russia) and supporting the popular resistance against the mullahs. The Iranians I know are disgusted with Islam and are saddened that their country has been under it's grip for so long.

Posted by: Son Of Albion at September 28, 2004 5:58 PM

Cathrine,
Actually I didn't know that N. Korea's nukes hit Alaska and no I'm not a kerry supporter either. I also have never done drugs a single day of my life, that is unless booze is a drug. But having family who works on our ICBM missile silos and also getting ready to go into the field I know that we can launch a nuke from Montana, Wyoming, or South Dakota and have it there in 10 hours. Plus not to mention the Navy's nuclear subs.
I used to be in the middle with Bush and Kerry but now after visiting this site and the fact that Bush is a huge supporter of the military, I will be voting for him. Hey he would be making my paycheck bigger!

fg
I agree with you a nuclear war would be a disaster once you think about it and just make everyone more paranoid then they are right now. Too bad scientist can't come up with a fusion bomb it would be much more devastating, but cleaner.

Posted by: Stephen_P at September 28, 2004 7:29 PM

ABAD says: "If Islam did not exist, our world history would be very different today."

As Jean-Luc Picard, Captain of the Enterprise used to say, "Make it so."

Posted by: cubed at September 28, 2004 9:40 PM

Suppose Iran launches one of their new missiles?

Regardless of the target, the devastation would take it's grim toll on humanity - yes.

Then, imagine the political devastation it would wreak on islam globally.

Eurabia would be forced to witness it's culpability for endorsing Islamofascism through its current dhimmi value systems. The French and Germans wouldn't accept blame very easily . . .so . . .

Perhaps the true fallout will be the inevitable demise of islam.

It is difficult to see anything to be gained for islam, but everything to be gained for democracy.

Posted by: justamomof4 at September 28, 2004 10:10 PM

If Israel were to be "wiped off the map" that would mean, among other things, that Jerusalem would no longer exist. What would that mean -- aside from what it would do to the morale of all decent people -- for the survival of Christianity, and of the West itself? Anything? Nothing?

The American government could make it very clear to Iran that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States, and that Iran should not expect to survive in any recognizable form. That should get someone's attention. This is not a substitute for the destruction of Iran's nuclear capability, but in addition to it -- while waiting.

Posted by: Hugh at September 28, 2004 10:41 PM

like I said do you take the gun out of the childs hand or wait til it is smoking? Remember we are not playing rubber bullets or 9mm we are playing BIG?

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Posted by: Catherine at September 28, 2004 11:14 PM

I say we pay Russia to go kick Iran around and all the rest of the middle east.. That way we ( Bush ) could look like a man of peace, while we are really paying mercenaries to do our dirty work... Russia could use the money and we would benefit from a lot less Moslems.

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Posted by: Bar at September 29, 2004 12:12 AM

Iran's evil ayatollahs and their supporters, the Iranian Moslem "street"--the same guys that howled in the streets when the US Embassy was stormed by them, hostages taken, (and Carter didn't know what to do), and now in uniform are carrying the signs threatening the US and Israel--seem unable to assess their position.

They might not have heard the bombs cutting daisies and busting bunkers next door in Afghanistan, but they must know what happened to the evil Taliban and there. There are non-Moslem troops in Afghanistan. On the left side of ayatollah country, there are "Coalition of the Willing" troops in Iraq. The Persian Gulf is not under Iranian control. Islamic assholes always brag and bluster. It probably scared the desert dwellers at the time of Mahomet. Israel's Jews were told more than once that they would be driven into the sea.

Do not place too much hope on the young people, the students, and the educated class of Iran. The ayatollahs have the "street" on their side. To topple the theocracy (allah-ocracy?) will take more than inciting the young students to rise up (and be butchered).

Didn't Bush say something about preemptive strikes once? But that was before this got him in trouble because nothing was found that needed to be preempted (it was moved to Syria, but that cannot be mentioned because of relations with our Arab "friends").

If any place is asking for a preemptive strike its ayatollah-land. Will anyone have the cojones to do it?

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 29, 2004 1:43 AM

Iran's evil ayatollahs and their supporters, the Iranian Moslem "street"--the same guys that howled in the streets when the US Embassy was stormed by them, hostages taken, (and Carter didn't know what to do), and now in uniform are carrying the signs threatening the US and Israel--seem unable to assess their position.

They might not have heard the bombs cutting daisies and busting bunkers next door in Afghanistan, but they must know what happened to the evil Taliban and there. There are non-Moslem troops in Afghanistan. On the left side of ayatollah country, there are "Coalition of the Willing" troops in Iraq. The Persian Gulf is not under Iranian control. Islamic assholes always brag and bluster. It probably scared the desert dwellers at the time of Mahomet. Israel's Jews were told more than once that they would be driven into the sea.

Do not place too much hope on the young people, the students, and the educated class of Iran. The ayatollahs have the "street" on their side. To topple the theocracy (allah-ocracy?) will take more than inciting the young students to rise up (and be butchered).

Didn't Bush say something about preemptive strikes once? But that was before this got him in trouble because nothing was found that needed to be preempted (it was moved to Syria, but that cannot be mentioned because of relations with our Arab "friends").

If any place is asking for a preemptive strike it's ayatollah-land. Will anyone have the cojones to do it?

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 29, 2004 1:44 AM

Iran's evil ayatollahs and their supporters, the Iranian Moslem "street"--the same guys that howled in the streets when the US Embassy was stormed by them, hostages taken, (and Carter didn't know what to do), and now in uniform are carrying the signs threatening the US and Israel--seem unable to assess their position.

They might not have heard the bombs cutting daisies and busting bunkers next door in Afghanistan, but they must know what happened to the evil Taliban and there. There are non-Moslem troops in Afghanistan. On the left side of ayatollah country, there are "Coalition of the Willing" troops in Iraq. The Persian Gulf is not under Iranian control. Islamic assholes always brag and bluster. It probably scared the desert dwellers at the time of Mahomet. Israel's Jews were told more than once that they would be driven into the sea.

Do not place too much hope on the young people, the students, and the educated class of Iran. The ayatollahs have the "street" on their side. To topple the theocracy (allah-ocracy?) will take more than inciting the young students to rise up (and be butchered).

Didn't Bush say something about preemptive strikes once? But that was before this got him in trouble because nothing was found that needed to be preempted (it was moved to Syria, but that cannot be mentioned because of relations with our Arab "friends").

If any place is asking for a preemptive strike it's ayatollah-land. Will anyone have the cojones to do it?

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 29, 2004 1:44 AM

First, it said that I wasn't registered; then it looked as if it wasn't going to post the comment. Now it appears three times. It ain't that good to be read more than once (or less).

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 29, 2004 1:47 AM

Mr. Hugh says “The American government could make it very clear to Iran that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States”.

Ahhhh….I think that Iranians *intimately* know that the US ALREADY is in Israel’s deepest pockets. Israel IS the face of the US in the middle east. The US is totally biased when it comes to even talking about it, this no doubt is half of the problem there. There is no fairness to be seen as far as one can see the horizon.

Talking about nuking Iran is totally bananas, if this happened, I imagine afterwards that there would be a perpetual yet permanent nuke terror war. Just imagine it, a beautiful western city …gone…., a different one gone another day…..the equivalent of several hundred 9/11 on a single day…completely horrifying.

Even catholic catherine wouldn’t be safe, she would have to swap her beloved short skirts for an all encompassing orange radiation suit ….a “western burka” if you will, surely even she wouldn’t want to live like that….would she?

Everybody should calm down, the drapes over their latest Iranian shahab III/IV rockets are there for the consumption of the Iranian population and to make the mullahs feel better.

Let stop this dangerous, flippant and irresponsible talk!

Posted by: Naseem at September 29, 2004 10:29 AM

If one defines bias as the irrational influence on actions and opinions, then clearly the US is biased in favor Arab and Muslims states.

Would you give 5 billion dollars a year to government and people who hate your guts (Egypt)?

Would you praise and grovel before a country that supports an ideology dedicated to your destruction and the mass murder of your citizens (Saudi Arabia)?

Would you spend 100 billion dollars to try to rebuild a country filled with people who hate you and would do you harm at the drop of a hate?

Would you praise and call an 'ally' a government that moves like a snail to help you destroy a group (that keeps sanctuary in that country) committed to the delivery of WMD against your population centers?

I would say that the US is not only biased in favor of Arab and Muslim states, they are in love with them; only love could explain such absolute irrational behavior...love or stupidity...or maybe the US is just stupid.

Stupid or in love, biased nonetheless...

Posted by: JTF at September 30, 2004 11:05 AM