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October 2, 2004

US had plans to invade Pakistan

From ANI, with thanks to Ali Dashti:

WASHINGTON: In a book that is likely to be released later this month, its author has startlingly revealed that the Bush Administration has firmed up plans to carry out an invasion of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province (NWFP), which is seen as the command centre of the al-Qaeda terrorist network.

George Friedman, the founder and chairman of the well regarded news and analysis service, Stratfor, reveals in his book titled "America's Secret War", the ongoing, but hidden struggle between the United States and its enemies.

"The United States will threaten Iran with war if it aids the al-Qaeda. The United States will have to invade northwest Pakistan. There are plans for this already. In addition, if Pakistan collapses due to an invasion, the United States and India will have to jointly occupy Pakistan. The end game is Pakistan," the Daily Times quotes Friedman as saying.

Posted by Robert at October 2, 2004 7:32 AM
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Actually, this book is not based on tremendous "revelations". The US military has considered hunting for terrorists in Pakistan for a long time, and this has been publicly known.

For example, AP did a story on January 29, 2004 that General John Abizaid viewed Pakistan as one of the greatest threats in the war on terror.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pakistan-terrorism/message/146

A day before that, the Chicago Tribune broke a story on January 28, 2004, about: "U.S. plans Al Qaeda offensive - Sources say military is mapping operation to strike inside Pakistan." This was considered to be a logical and reasonable "spring offensive" to go after Al Qaeda.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pakistan-terrorism/message/143

The next day, January 29, AP released a story "Pakistan Bans Anti-al-Qaida Operations" stating that "Brig. Javed Iqbal Cheema, the chief of the National Crisis Management Cell coordinating with U.S. officials in the war against terrorism, said Pakistani policies do not allow American troops to operate inside the country."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pakistan-terrorism/message/147

The result was that Pakistan was pressured in February 2004 to use its own soldiers more aggressively in pursuing Al Qaeda, which has had mixed results.

I copied my posts from UnitedStatesAction news site on Pakistan, and I have this in a Pakistan anti-terror news group (with public access) at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pakistan-terrorism/

Posted by: jeffreyimm [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 8:21 AM

Well Lets Hope that some one has a Plan.

For Gods Sake lets all hope that at least ONE Nation in th ecivilized World has a PLAN.

Dont the rest of the DUMB Shi*ts realize what these islamic Bastards have in store for the NON islamic Populations of the World?
If NOT Why NOT?

Pull ya heads out of ya Multicultural ASSE'S and see what is obvious to all you despise most that is those NORMAL Americans and Australians & British who refuse to worship SATAN.

Get with the fricking PROGRAM it's a case of THEM OR US.

How much more simple can it BE.

Read THEIR WEB SITES. They are sworn to KILL YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN.
F**k ME how much more information do you NEED?
BEFORE you get the HINT?

Unless you and your CHILDREN are muslim you and they are OPEN SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!
Namely you and they are marked for DEATH.

WHAT PART OF THE KOORAN DONT YOU INFIDELS,DUMB SHI*S DONT UNDERSTAND?

It's time to NOT "Turn the other CHEEK"
It's time for MEN to protect their Wives and children

It's time to SAY that MULTICULRURALISM
Has been found out for the islamic fraude it always has been.

It's time for MEN to say "NOT with MY Son and not with MY Daughter you wont allah."

It's time for good men to do SOMETHING for GOD lest SATAN achieve MUCH.

I call on MEN,Fathers, Brothers, Son's Football/Base Ball Players /Watchers, Good decent MEN to make a stand NOW.

The Anti Christ is among us and soon it will present the non islamic world with a battle like no other.
Ask how many muslims are resident within the USA then ask how the USA would have fared had the same amount of Japanese & Germans resided in the USA during the Second WWar.

I say you can fight now whilst you have a chance of winning OR you can go along the way of the "Politically Correct" and be assured of defeat.

Fight NOW? yes Support President G. W. Bush tell him you are with him, tell him you are NOT interseted in the "Junk Science" that is Multiculturism, tell Him you are with HIM
Tell him you are ready to FIGHT against allah and all it represents, most of all tell him you are an AMERICAN and as such you will NOT Surrender you wife and childrfen to the BEAST allah and all the FILTH it represents.

Tell GWBush you are not prepared to SURRENDER your Country to a gang of GODLESS muslim bastards.

Its time for MEN all over the NON islamic world to STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.

G W Bush IS your LAST CHANCE TO DO SO.

God Bless the United States of America, as an Australian I am well aware of the bounty that has flowed to the free world because of the sacrifices of a GIANT and it's people.

God Bless G W Bush & The Co alition of the willing.

Yours faithfully,
RSole

Posted by: RSole [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 8:49 AM

RSole,

You go, Girl (or Guy)!

Posted by: cubed [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 9:06 AM

Re Cubed

Thank you I will "go" as long as their is God's Life in me.
I for one will not surrender my God Given right to freedom and a peace full existance.

The USA and it's Citizens have sacrificed more Son's than any other in the fight for FREEDOM.

There is NO Christian CULT demanding the world submit to it's ideology lest it KILL all who oppose it.

There is however a messenger of SATAN called allah who hides behind the cloake of islam.
This vile BEAST who promises what MAN reviles as the most filthy of all pratices, this allah PROMISES as a REWARD in her/his putrid "heaven"

God Bless the followers of the Lamb...
For those who Follow the Lamb and the Love of God will be forever held and LOVED in the hand of GOD.

Cubed, I ask you if you agree with my postings to spread my thoughts. Time is running out.

We can fight SATAN in his backyard or we can wait & apologise for him untill we have to fight him in ours.

God Bless the Co alition of the WILLING
God Bless G W Bush USA
God Bless T Blaire UK
God Bless J W Howard Australia

The FIGHT has ONLY JUST BEGUN.
If you disagree you are clearly not ROOTING for the HOME TEAM.

Yours faithfully,
RSole (Aussie MAN prepared to FIGHT for what is RIGHT)

Posted by: RSole [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 9:48 AM

Wow.

Plan to invade Pakistan, eh? Finally, someone talking sense. Pak and Saudi remain the citadels of Jihadi training and funding respectively and until they're conclusively dealt with, we'd only be killing the mosque-itoes rather than take out the swamp that breeds them.

Here's a wonmderful link on the economics of teror and how pak and Saudi have lowered the barriers to entry to terrorism, lowered the transaction costs to terror, created terrorism commodity and stock exchanges (so to say) and provided venture capital to jihadi factories around the world.

http://opinion.paifamily.com/index.php/archives/910

Posted by: voletti [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 9:52 AM

RSole,

At last, A man (or woman, perhaps) after my own heart. I sometimes wonder what has got into people these days. It IS time to stand up and be counted. And I will stand and be counted - as I've said before on this forum I will not have my or my wife's or son's butt in the air five times a day. the time is coming where we WILL have to choose - our way or their's - and I know where I stand on that - it's already locked and loaded.

Posted by: RW [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 11:11 AM

RSole,
From your messages you seem to be expressing what many Americans are feeling. Certainly I agree with what you are saying, however my concern is on two fronts. It seems you are implying that you are Christian, yet your use of profanity in your messages (inplied or explicit), is antithetical to what one would expect from a Chrisitian brother (we should set an example as best we can at all times) otherwise the world sees no reason to follow Christ. Secondly, my other concern is that we will cross that "fine line" that has separated us from many other cultures and literally begin to target Muslims in this country for violence, much as we did with the American Indians and Blacks. Granted certain members of the population commited these heinous acts, we MUST not succumb to the "drag into the street and shoot 'em" mentality. As cliche' as it sounds, it is time for us to take a stand, but do it where it will be most effective and that is at the polls! It is time that we elect the right individuals at the Local, State AND Federal Levels. And most importantly, PRAY!!!!
God said, "if my people will humble themselves and pray, I will heal their land". If our country is in peril, it is not God's fault as I am sure you would agree.
Take care and may God (Jehovah) Bless our country, those countries who stand for freedom and justice and liberty!

Posted by: hammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 11:37 AM

RSole,

I am not particularly religious, but I am utterly apalled at the moral poverty and lack of ethical common sense of the snobs who flaunt their secularism in America and Europe. Having once been among them, I can asure you they will hold your religious rhetoric as "proof" of your "ignorance."

You have to feel sorry for them, but don't just pray for them. Fight them with their own heroes: The giants of the Enlightenment who gave them the RIGHT to not believe in God. When they make ludicrous moral equivalencies between Christian and Muslim fundamentalists, they don't only betray God, THEY BETRAY THE LIBERALISM THAT GIVES THEM THE RIGHT NOT TO BELIEVE.

Here is an essay I wrote for another website that might give you some ammunition against them:

http://www.6thcolumnagainstjihad.com/wst_page15.html

You might also refer to the (growing) list of historic quotes I have under my moniker "Rubisco" at www.nojihad.com

I hope this give you some ammunition in the war of ideas. God bless you.

Posted by: Rublev [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 11:44 AM

Was recently reading a book about Pakistan which the author described 'as the most dangerous place in the world' which is hardly comforting.There have recently been two assassination attempts on
General Mushie, am sure there will be others. Also will probably need U.S to go into Pakistan to flush out OBL and rest of his henchman not to mention Taleban. Am glad to hear there is a PLAN and U.S is in a strategic position to implement it.

Posted by: Morgane [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 11:51 AM

Voletti: 'mosque-itos'. Nice one!!

Posted by: Interestd [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 12:42 PM

Posted by: RSole

Im with you Brother.... F..k Islam...

Jesus is coming back and this time hes pissed!

Posted by: Bar [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 1:38 PM

Hammer

Would it be antithetical for a believer in Christ to shoot and kill a Moslem?

Posted by: Bar [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 1:59 PM

I don't think anyone here is advocating a lynch mob or dragging Muslims out of their homes

The Majority of 'moderate' Muslims have been silent about the barbarism inflicted on innocents all over the world -- Israel, Beslan, Philippines you name it. Go to any Muslim website and you will see that the only 'atrocities' condemned are the ones perpetrated against Arab/Muslim victims in Iraq and Israel, Afghanistan and Chechnya. And let's not forget the inhumanity of profiling.

"Thou shalt not stand idly by the blood of your brothers"(Leviticus 19:16)

This is not the time to turn the other cheek, to be passive. Pray AND take action.

We must do at least the very minimum to prepare for what we all know is coming.

I recently read in MEMRI about a new "Women's Jihad" magazine (Al-Khansaa) published by Al Qa'ida's Arabian Peninsula Women's Information Bureau. The emphasis was on how to prepare for Jihad.

http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD77904

I suggest we be prepared likewise for our own 'American' Jihad!

1. Eat moderately
(extra pounds are going to slow you down)

2. Exercise for functional fitness

a) weights
b) push ups & crunches
c) run or walk for aerobic fitness and endurance

3. Learn how to shoot and handle a firearm.

4. Educate people regarding the goal of IslamoFacists. Be specific. Point out the conflicts around the world -- how everywhere there is the slaughter of innocents and beheading, you find Muslims. Make them think, help them realize only the poison of political correctness keeps the truth from the mainstream media.

5. Find serious like minded people in your community/church/synagogue and come up with a plan. You may want to purchase walkie talkies in case there is a communications break down.

As an American Jew I take the threat seriously.
I don't want to die defenseless at the hands of IslamoFacists -- I want to be able to defend myself and my family. And if I do go down I'll be taking some with me.

According to the Talmud, "If somebody comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first,"

Posted by: Kemaste [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 2:47 PM

kemaste Advice after my own heart. We "fat and lazy Americans" are seen as easy pickings and should prepare WELL IN ADVANCE as we would for any other disaster. Many people see those of us that are talking about this as extremists and alarmists.

Posted by: epg [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 3:41 PM

Paint-ball is a good sport to prepare for the up and coming war with Islam!

Good exercise, good firearms training, good close quarters combat. And most of all, you will realize how much your not in control.

There are no atheists in fox holes!

I believe that there is more believers coming out of Iraq then went in.

Posted by: Bar [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 4:24 PM

I'll keep scrambling over the rocky ridges around here.

Posted by: Gary [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 5:04 PM

RSole I agree with your post there's alot of people who need to wake up and realize the danger that were really facing, and some people who say that we should sit around and be nice and not offend anyone with our language or our thoughts, those people haven't realized that it was that kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place, also I want to let you know that I appreciate the fact that Australia has always been a great allied and has always stood beside the USA, I was in Vietnaum and we had alot of Auzzies and they were some really great fighters, and they could party. Thanks to the Auzzies.

Posted by: Real American [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 7:36 PM

Judging by the Pakistani army's performance while going after Al Qaeda--sustaining disproportionate casualties, dubious results because of obfuscation if not outright lies, allowing troops to be kidnapped by tribesmen--we cannot rely on much if any help from them.

Would we succeed where the Paki army failed? We were warned before going into Afghanistan about the fierce tribesmen that had never been conquered before.

Although Mushie has been bought and paid for to be "on our side," the Paki "street" is another matter. Going in there with the lukewarm approval, if that, of India would leave troops in another Iraq situation. Bringing "democracy" to the Moslem masses is a thankless and costly task--not worth American lives nor dollars.

Going into NW Pakistan with overwhelming force similarly to how it was and is being done in Afghanistan is preferable to the Iraq scenario. It calls for a cleaning out rather than an occupation. The Kosovo NATO campaign (although wrong enemy) example, using air strikes, would be a good start.

Posted by: unicorns62000 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 7:37 PM

Dear RSole,
I am speechless, at a complete loss for words! I can't believe that somebody out there actually likes America! Yours is the first praise I've seen coming out of Australia or anywhere else in quite a while.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE AMERICA and I am so tired of the endless accusations and criticisms of everything we do (or don't do). It is encouraging to know we aren't universally loathed and resented, and that somebody understands what we are up against, what the world is up against.
I also intend to vote for GWB again!

Posted by: Susanp [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 9:41 PM

The FIGHT has ONLY JUST BEGUN.
If you disagree you are clearly not ROOTING for the HOME TEAM.

Yours faithfully,
RSole (Aussie MAN prepared to FIGHT for what is RIGHT)

Posted by: RSole at October 2, 2004 09:48 AM


Ditto

We are not only READY but fighting and kicking ASS

We did not let the aPC cops(ACLU) funded by mulsums take our guns and our congress has just given a big part of it Back we like what J Howard is doing hope he will stay strong for you? and US

It is Like Gen.Tommy Franks said we are in this war do you what to fight it over there or over here?

I pick over there!

We have Women in this fight the Redneck friends of mine will do what it takes to defend this way of life!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 10:21 PM

as Far as plans to invade packi not to worry we have plans to invade every country allong with Alaska and a few others !!

It is sad that some ass-hole for money will try to break America What a ASS-HOLE TRAITOR!!

This is nothing Big except that someone would try to bring G.W. down and SCREW HIS OWN COUNTRY THIS IS WHY RSOLES IS SO PISSED!!!

ME TOO!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
God Bless the USA and her Fightibg Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat and give them Balls to stand and Fight Amen

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 10:28 PM

Posted by: hammer at October 2, 2004 11:37 AM


Let me get this right your worried about a mans potty mouth while the milsum freeks are CUTTING MENS HEADS OFF WITH THEIR HANDS TIED BEHIND THEIR BACKS ,OF HACKING PEOPLE TO DEATH IN THE SUDAN AND EVEN IN D.C.

I FORGIVE A LITTLE FOUWL LANG BUT NOT THOSE WHO PICK ON THE FIGHTING FORCES!!

NO HAMmER YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD???

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the Couras to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat and give them Balls to stand and Fight Amen

PS
Never saw in the Bible any thing about fowel lang? can you point to that chapter please?

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 10:38 PM

Prior to 9/11 Bush and the rest the America had their heads up their asses about Afghanistan and the Pakistan fostered Taliban there.

It was obvious even long prior to 9/11 the Afghanistan was a nest of terrorism. Pre-emption would have made sense prior to 9/11. - maybe those that think that Bush is so enlighten should read up on his pre-first-term-election foreign policy platform.

Unfortunately he is still the best the US has got, how f-ing sad.

But it's ok now isn't it. Cheese you Yanks still have your heads in your ass about Bush the oil man.
Until you f-ing heroes get off you addiction on oil, nobody will take you guys too seriously in your war on terror. (Hi Dick Chaney, how is Halliburton today?)

PS: in case you are having doubts, I am as pro-American as they come. At least there us hope, with the Europeans there is not even that.

Posted by: raven_ [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 2, 2004 11:29 PM

Raven says:
Cheese you Yanks still have your heads in your ass about Bush the oil man.
Until you f-ing heroes get off you addiction on oil,


Not easy. And I don't know which way the country's going. In the 80's we got away from the 70's gas guzzlers since we saw gas hit about sixty cents a gallon (OH MY! as this board's greatest philosopher would say)...then in the 90's all of a sudden cars get larger again and SUV's come into vogue. So now who's a fool?

The ability to go anywhere you want, any time you
want, with whatever you want is America's definition of freedom. You see, we're fighting for freedom.

It's a three-prong war, really, though as I see it:
Jihad (by fundamentalists and would be caliphs)

Oil, er, I mean freedom.

Israel....in my view, Jews fighting to stay in existence.

Posted by: Afrafaste [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 12:48 AM

Invade and occupy Pakistan? Hmmm. It's got a huge territory, huge population, and full of unemployable young men whose cheap lives are cheapened even further by their religion. It's a morass and a quagmire, and should be left alone.

Posted by: Kepha1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 2:01 AM

Thanks for all the positive comments from my fellow posters here re my post, I am an average Aussie Bloke sick and tired of what I see and hear going on all over the world enough is enough.

Dear Mr. Hammer,
I agree with you regarding the bad language, I am sure you will be heartened to know that I have been on a 12 step program designed to rid me of this F*****g disgraceful habit.

“MUST not succumb to the "drag into the street and shoot 'em" mentality” do you mean just like the way muslims drag a non muslim out of their place of work or residence beat them, torture them then hack off their head with a rusty knife? and like all Sociopaths, they like their WW2 Hero, Hitler film their vile atrocities upon the” non muslim” for the purpose of showing their “power”.

I do not agree with the Western / Christian principle of turning the other cheek with these creatures not only are our cheeks turning so are our heads in fact a complete 360 deg, once it has been removed from our necks.

I am a Christian and I agree with what I see as your attempts to remind me of the “purity” or the “basis” of Christianity, however God helps those who HELP themselves.

You must understand that these muslim bastards are extremely dangerous people.

You accord to them the normal civilized rules of law & decency, unless you have been living in a cave the last 100 years I can only assume that in spite of some of the most depraved debased inhumane acts committed, not on a battle field but upon innocent civilians, you are prepared to look past their vile behavior and accord to them some code of “fair play” In the belief that they will see the error of their ways and we will all live happily ever after you live in hope that this will happen in spite of thousands upon thousands of acts of Barbarous Savagery enacted by these muslim bastard's over the last 50* years.

(*Yes I am aware that the cult of islam started some 1400 years ago and it's members have been granted a lisence to KILL RAPE PILLAGE and PLUNDER from then to the present day)

These muslim bastards are well aware of people like you in the West, they are well aware of your incalculable worth to their cause, beavering away quoting civil rights rules and regulations, constantly drawing attention to even the slightest fault on the part of your Military your Government, always there pen ready to write some deep and “meaningful” “thought provoking” piece for a news paper or TV station Op ed where you will “challenge” the reader/ listener to think what have we done to deserve to be treated this way by the “Religion of Peace” ,as the last remains of the victims of the “Religion of Peace” are scrapped of the pavement and returned to their Father Mother Son Daughter in a body bag.

I used to think people with your attitudes were well meaning.
There is NOTHING GOOD about facilitating TERRORISM irrespective of your motives or your lack of wit to realize what you ARE actually begetting to mankind by your actions.

I don’t wish to seem hostile towards you I have just had enough of seeing innocents slaughtered at will by an enemy that has said it is on a divine mission to convert , enslave or slaughter any one who is not muslim.
Our FIRST obligation is to protect our own from these muslim bastard’s stated intentions, our second obligation is to hunt these muslim bastard’s down and dispatch them to the “heaven” they so crave to enter.

Yours faithfully,
RSole.

Posted by: RSole [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 2:23 AM

Rublev,

Thanks for your link very good article, says it all.
Regards,
RSole

Posted by: RSole [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 2:32 AM

RSole:

Thanks for saying what needs to be said. Wish we could get people in our (US) government to feel that way.

Rublev:

Excellent exposition. Read your piece somewhere before, don't recall where. Also valuable website http://www.6thcolumnagainstjihad.com/default.php
Recommend that everyone who wants to learn as much about the Islamic enemy to visit and read.

Posted by: unicorns62000 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 5:09 AM

Dear RSole,
I am speechless, at a complete loss for words! I can't believe that somebody out there actually likes America! Yours is the first praise I've seen coming out of Australia or anywhere else in quite a while.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE AMERICA and I am so tired of the endless accusations and criticisms of everything we do (or don't do). It is encouraging to know we aren't universally loathed and resented, and that somebody understands what we are up against, what the world is up against.
I also intend to vote for GWB again!
Susanp

Dear Susanp,
I assume you are an American.
Unfortunately you Guys only hear the ‘Rabble without a cause” that is not only so loud in the USA and Europe but unfortunately for me also VERY noisy in my country,Australia.

I assure you the average Aussie is well aware of the sacrifices the American people made via their Son’s selfless sacrifice in WW2 in the Battle of the Coral Sea and in the Pacific in General. Australia had spent its forces in the defence of Europe (more Australian Soldiers are buried in France than any where else on Earth, first and second wwar’s,yes I know Why did we bother?) we were looking at withdrawing from the top of Australia to the “Brisbane line” here we would have fought to the death to the last man woman and child against the Japanese.

More bombs were dropped on Darwin than were dropped on Pearl Harbour , my Grand Parents and their fellow Sydney sider’s had made plans to kill their children (my Parents) rather than fall into the hands of the Japanese to be enslaved in sex or work camps.

All this changed when the USA came and helped a friend in need. Thank God you did. No American would be friendless in my Country as long as I live, hey ok you are not perfect, so I guess you are just like ME.
Thanks again for your help when we needed it.

I think you might find this interesting. Regards RSole.

washingtonpost.com
The Art Of Losing Friends
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45794-2004Sep23?language=printer
By Charles Krauthammer

Friday, September 24, 2004; Page A25
Of all our allies in the world, which is the only one to have joined the United States in the foxhole in every war in the past 100 years? Not Britain, not Canada, certainly not France. The answer is Australia.
Australia does not share only a community of values with the United States. It understands that its safety rests ultimately on a stable international structure that, in turn, rests not on parchment treaties but on the power and credibility of the United States. Which is why Australia is with us today in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Australian Prime Minister John Howard has taken great risks and much political heat for his support of America. There is a national election in Australia on Oct. 9, and the race is neck and neck between Howard and Labor Party leader Mark Latham. Latham has pledged to withdraw from Iraq.
This is a critical election not only for Australia but also for the United States. Think of the effect on America, its front-line soldiers and its coalition partners if one of its closest allies turns tail and runs.
The terrorists are well aware of this potential effect. Everyone knows about the train bombings in Madrid that succeeded in bringing down a pro-American government and led to Spain's precipitous withdrawal from Iraq. But few here noticed that this month's car bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia, was designed to have precisely the same effect.
Where was the bomb set off? At the Australian Embassy. When was it set off? Just weeks before the Australian election and just three days before the only televised debate between Howard and Latham.
The terrorists' objective is to intimidate all countries allied with America. Make them bleed and tell them this is the price they pay for being a U.S. ally. The implication is obvious: Abandon America and buy your safety.
That is what the terrorists are saying. Why is the Kerry campaign saying the same thing? "John Kerry's campaign has warned Australians that the Howard Government's support for the US in Iraq has made them a bigger target for international terrorists." So reports the Weekend Australian (Sept. 18).
Americans Overseas for Kerry is the Kerry operation for winning the crucial votes of Americans living abroad (remember the Florida recount?), including more than 100,000 who live in Australia. Its leader was interviewed Sept. 16 by The Australian's Washington correspondent, Roy Eccleston. Asked if she believed the terrorist threat to Australians was now greater because of the support for President Bush, she replied: "I would have to say that," noting that "[t]he most recent attack was on the Australian embassy in Jakarta."
She said this of her country (and of the war that Australia is helping us with in Iraq): "[W]e are endangering the Australians now by this wanton disregard for international law and multilateral channels." Mark Latham could not have said it better. Nor could Jemaah Islamiah, the al Qaeda affiliate that killed nine people in the Jakarta bombing.
This Kerry spokesman, undermining a key ally on the eve of a critical election, is no rogue political operative. She is the head of Americans Overseas for Kerry -- Diana Kerry, sister to John.
She is, of course, merely echoing her brother, who, at a time when allies have shown great political courage in facing down both terrorists and domestic opposition for their assistance to the United States in Iraq, calls these allies the "coalition of the coerced and the bribed."
This snide and reckless put-down more than undermines our best friends abroad. It demonstrates the cynicism of Kerry's promise to broaden our coalition in Iraq. If this is how Kerry repays America's closest allies -- ridiculing the likes of Tony Blair and John Howard -- who does he think is going to step up tomorrow to be America's friend?
The only thing that distinguishes Kerry's Iraq proposals from Bush's is his promise to deploy his unique, near-mystical ability to bring in new allies to fight and pay for the war in Iraq -- to "make Iraq the world's responsibility" and get others to "share the burden," as he said this week at New York University.
Yet even Richard Holbrooke, a top Kerry foreign policy adviser, admits that the president of France is not going to call up President Kerry and say, "How many divisions should I send to Iraq?"
Nor will anyone else. Kerry abuses America's closest friends while courting those, like Germany and France, that have deliberately undermined America before, during and after the war. What lessons are leaders abroad to draw from this when President Kerry asks them -- pretty please in his most mellifluous French -- to put themselves on the line for the United States?
letters@charleskrauthammer.com
© 2004 The Washington Post Company


Posted by: RSole [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 8:21 AM

Real American,
I appreciate the fact that Australia has always been a great allied and has always stood beside the USA, I was in Vietnaum and we had alot of Auzzies and they were some really great fighters, and they could party. Thanks to the Auzzies.

Thank's Real American God Bless you.
RSole. (ps are you sure about the Partying? as far as I know we were always lights out 2100 hrs every night at least that's what the news stories said)

FYI

washingtonpost.com
The Art Of Losing Friends
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45794-2004Sep23?language=printer
By Charles Krauthammer

Friday, September 24, 2004; Page A25
Of all our allies in the world, which is the only one to have joined the United States in the foxhole in every war in the past 100 years? Not Britain, not Canada, certainly not France. The answer is Australia.
Australia does not share only a community of values with the United States. It understands that its safety rests ultimately on a stable international structure that, in turn, rests not on parchment treaties but on the power and credibility of the United States. Which is why Australia is with us today in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Australian Prime Minister John Howard has taken great risks and much political heat for his support of America. There is a national election in Australia on Oct. 9, and the race is neck and neck between Howard and Labor Party leader Mark Latham. Latham has pledged to withdraw from Iraq.
This is a critical election not only for Australia but also for the United States. Think of the effect on America, its front-line soldiers and its coalition partners if one of its closest allies turns tail and runs.
The terrorists are well aware of this potential effect. Everyone knows about the train bombings in Madrid that succeeded in bringing down a pro-American government and led to Spain's precipitous withdrawal from Iraq. But few here noticed that this month's car bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia, was designed to have precisely the same effect.
Where was the bomb set off? At the Australian Embassy. When was it set off? Just weeks before the Australian election and just three days before the only televised debate between Howard and Latham.
The terrorists' objective is to intimidate all countries allied with America. Make them bleed and tell them this is the price they pay for being a U.S. ally. The implication is obvious: Abandon America and buy your safety.
That is what the terrorists are saying. Why is the Kerry campaign saying the same thing? "John Kerry's campaign has warned Australians that the Howard Government's support for the US in Iraq has made them a bigger target for international terrorists." So reports the Weekend Australian (Sept. 18).
Americans Overseas for Kerry is the Kerry operation for winning the crucial votes of Americans living abroad (remember the Florida recount?), including more than 100,000 who live in Australia. Its leader was interviewed Sept. 16 by The Australian's Washington correspondent, Roy Eccleston. Asked if she believed the terrorist threat to Australians was now greater because of the support for President Bush, she replied: "I would have to say that," noting that "[t]he most recent attack was on the Australian embassy in Jakarta."
She said this of her country (and of the war that Australia is helping us with in Iraq): "[W]e are endangering the Australians now by this wanton disregard for international law and multilateral channels." Mark Latham could not have said it better. Nor could Jemaah Islamiah, the al Qaeda affiliate that killed nine people in the Jakarta bombing.
This Kerry spokesman, undermining a key ally on the eve of a critical election, is no rogue political operative. She is the head of Americans Overseas for Kerry -- Diana Kerry, sister to John.
She is, of course, merely echoing her brother, who, at a time when allies have shown great political courage in facing down both terrorists and domestic opposition for their assistance to the United States in Iraq, calls these allies the "coalition of the coerced and the bribed."
This snide and reckless put-down more than undermines our best friends abroad. It demonstrates the cynicism of Kerry's promise to broaden our coalition in Iraq. If this is how Kerry repays America's closest allies -- ridiculing the likes of Tony Blair and John Howard -- who does he think is going to step up tomorrow to be America's friend?
The only thing that distinguishes Kerry's Iraq proposals from Bush's is his promise to deploy his unique, near-mystical ability to bring in new allies to fight and pay for the war in Iraq -- to "make Iraq the world's responsibility" and get others to "share the burden," as he said this week at New York University.
Yet even Richard Holbrooke, a top Kerry foreign policy adviser, admits that the president of France is not going to call up President Kerry and say, "How many divisions should I send to Iraq?"
Nor will anyone else. Kerry abuses America's closest friends while courting those, like Germany and France, that have deliberately undermined America before, during and after the war. What lessons are leaders abroad to draw from this when President Kerry asks them -- pretty please in his most mellifluous French -- to put themselves on the line for the United States?
letters@charleskrauthammer.com
© 2004 The Washington Post Company


Posted by: RSole [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 8:34 AM

When I was a little boy I asked my father what’s the difference between a democrat and a republican? My fathers answer was,
Well son a democrat wants more government and more taxes and socialistic type of America.
A republican wants less government less taxes and more freedom.
How right my father was and still is.

Mr Kerry your response please.
“I can make American safer than President Bush has made us. “
“I have a better plan for homeland security. I have a better plan to be able to fight the war on terror by strengthening our military, strengthening our intelligence, by going after the financing more authoritatively, by doing what we need to do to rebuild the alliances, by reaching out to the Muslim world, which the president has almost not done, and beginning to isolate the radical Islamic Muslims, not have them isolate the United States of America”
“And we don't have enough troops there.”

Mr Bush your response please.
“I don't think we want to get to how he's going to pay for all these promises”

KJ, your buddy doesn’t think Pres. Bush has reached out to Muslims enough!

Al Qaeda for Kerry!

Posted by: Bar [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 3:03 PM

The reason this whole plan to invade Pakistan while being aided by India was shelved could be due to the fact that both countries are in a dead heat over the mostly Muslim Kashmir.All that needs to be done to trigger a total nuclear war in the region, is to have Indian soldiers marching en-masse into Pakistan.Anyway, has anyone here realized that India has a Muslim population that exceeds 150 MILLION?That is a number greater than that of the Muslims in Iraq, Saudi Arabia,and Afghanistan COMBINED!

Posted by: antiREZA [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 8:38 PM

Al Qaeda for Kerry!


Posted by: Bar at October 3, 2004 03:03 PM


RUMOR KERRY TO GIVE NUKE CODES TO HIS MAN SERVANT?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to Defeat Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support Them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat and give them Curage to stand and Fight Amen


PS
http://www.beecy.net/frank/

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2004 10:35 PM

fior na croise,
Re John Howard Australia.
I believe he will be re elected but not by much.

Opposition Leader Mark Latham has promised everything except for the cure for cancer however with 5 days to go before polling day I would not be surprised if he offers this in a last ditched attempt for election.

If the unthinkable happens and the Socialist's get control of the "Palace", we will go back to the excesses of the 70's Socialist Government of Whitlam who is Mark Latham's mentor and idol.

Any way fingers crossed.

BTW In Australia Liberal Party = Conservative Party, been a Liberal in Australia is not the same as a Democrat in the USA
Labor Party = Left wing Socialist, PRO UN
Democrats = as above
Greens = AS ABOVE ONLY WORSE

Posted by: RSole [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2004 7:36 AM

I've been saying this since 9/11: eventually Pakistan is going to have to be taken down.

Posted by: Cato the Elder [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2004 12:34 PM

We probably have a contingency plan to invade almost everywhere

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 5, 2004 11:35 AM

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