See the Telegraaf picture yourself. It is terrible - to say the least. This what I saw yesterday as I went to buy bread with my two year old. Jihad coming to a neighborhood to you.

The baker's young Turkish assistant is quoted today in many newspapers as he saw the jihadist working, with both hands, to cut of Theo's head.

Big question today: what wrote Mohammed B. on the note he left on Theo's body. And what language did he use? Mohammed B. was born in the Netherlands, but he probably used Arabic. So far for integration and multiculturalism.

http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2004/11/3/TE/TE_2S_20041103_1/pagina.php

Every year 30.000 muslims arrive in my country.

Question: if Israel pays settlers to move, why don't we pay muslim settlers in the Netherlands to do the same: move back?

Posted by: martin from amsterdam at November 3, 2004 3:46 PM

Aren't Muslims absolutely the most adorable creatures on earth?

They should round up every single one of these illiterate racist gremlins and stick them on a deserted island far, far away from anything but fish....I know it would probably annoy the fish, but we should proceed nonetheless.

Posted by: DCWatson at November 3, 2004 4:06 PM

Van Gogh's murder a call to Jihad? Not really a surprise. Regardless of what binLaden does or doesn't do, whether he captured or dies, the violence will continue as Muslims must kill non-Muslims "until they are subdued and they know it." This is the mandated Koranic command that has been repeatedly obeyed hundreds of thousands if not millions of times through the last 1350 years. They will continue to do so as long as they feel they can get away with it and it serves their interest. AND when it doesn't, they will merely stop, but the jihad on hold until the best moment for the jihad to resume.

When will the West finally come to terms with this fact?

Posted by: epg at November 3, 2004 4:17 PM

I have a feeling that this particular call to Jihad is disingenuous. Maybe I'm wrong. These are criminal sociopaths accustomed to being catered to by the timid, ultra tolerant left. It seems to be an easy excuse or justification for horrendous crimes committed against the host -- to excuse one for completely losing control and committing the unspeakable. " Understand, I did it for god."

Instead of leaders calling for symbolic hugs and kisses for Muslims they should seize the moment to reiterate, "Listen up, you who slaughter in the name of your god. We will inflict the most horrendous acts upon you when you're in our custody before we execute you. We will seize your assets and your entire family will be expelled from our midst."

All this touchy, feely multiculturalism is laughed at by the Jihadis. Give them something to fear. Do you think they look forward to an Israeli interrogation?

Posted by: Kemaste at November 3, 2004 5:28 PM

I have an old farmhouse in the heart of the countryside in northern france.
Recntly there has been an influx of dutch people in the area.
my neighbour from rotterdam, a lady in her fifties,
" We cannot live in out old area anymore. I walk down the street and arab children call me a prostitute and i cannot complain to the police about this. we have lived there since the war and are afraid to go out'
So we come here where there are no aggresive muslims to find peace"

Posted by: george at November 3, 2004 5:34 PM

George, that is such a pathetic image, a little old lady being called a prostitute. What have we become in the West? I am afraid that my pent-up anger will explode and I will become so radicalized as to not recognize myself.

Posted by: former liberal WF at November 3, 2004 6:07 PM

We cannot live in out old area anymore. I walk down the street and arab children call me a prostitute and i cannot complain to the police about this. we have lived there since the war and are afraid to go out'
So we come here where there are no aggresive muslims to find peace"

Posted by: george at November 3, 2004 05:34 PM

Again the europeans prove they run away like sissys they don't understand they have the power??

What panty waste??

Mr. Spencer you are right this belongs under DIMMI WATCH!!

Along with the pansys who feel sorry??

What is that saying?

Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!!!

You European better grow some balls and learn to stand and Fight for your Rights!! Cause the American People are getting Tired of bailing your asses out of your apeasment!! and we may not come to help this time Take a Stand stop running!! LIKE PUSSYS

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer

GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DEFEAT ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at November 3, 2004 6:26 PM

" We cannot live in out old area anymore. I walk down the street and arab children call me a prostitute and i cannot complain to the police about this. we have lived there since the war and are afraid to go out'

Is this what being tolerant has gotten us? Is this what the west gets for embracing peaceniks multicultural rainbow? No-one likes us because of our liberal views, for opening our borders and wallets. They despise us, spit on us and their ignorant offspring, steeped in the Quran and convinced of their superiority call full grown women 'prostitutes.'

If we continue to follow liberal pied piper's down the path to appeasement, surrender and annihlation we DESERVE WHAT WE GET DAMNIT! IS THERE NO-ONE IN ALL OF THE WEST WHO has the testicular fortitude, the self preservation to get up off their knees and say "reign in your children! You are guests in our country and if you don't want to assimilate with respect for us GET THE F*CK OUT!!GO BACK TO YOUR TOTALITARIAN HOLE AND TAKE YOUR DIRTY, HATEFUL MONGREL CHILDREN WITH YOU!

Posted by: Kemaste at November 3, 2004 7:04 PM

Though not as horribly spectacular as events like 9/11, Bali, Madrid, this murder is the same. It is jihad. It is terrorism. Not a lone wolf, deranged "radical" or "extremist", not a one-off, even though the media and govt like to call it that. It's terrorism, just on a smaller scale, done by jihadis who don't have the big bucks and organizational power like those 19 vermin who flew planes into buildings. Bit by bit, all around the world, they are like termites.

Multicultural trust? Never! Never trust Islam. It cannot be trusted. It uses our naive trust as a weapon against us. Idiot Mayor Cohen. Jewish mayor? He's the last person who should be saying that.

Posted by: feralee at November 3, 2004 8:03 PM

I despair at this murder. I despair that a man can be driven to kill by a philosophy so weak that it can be demolished in seconds by anyone with the free will to think. Perhaps therein lies the problem – the philosophy is so weak that nothing short of an automatic, murderous rampage can demonstrate its majesty and worth. This tragic event is already being portrayed in the media as the actions off an extremist without any mention of the underlying doctrine, which not only condones this act, but also demands it from the faithful. Europeans everywhere should see this barbarity as a historic and prophetic event and not allow the grand, old continent to be drawn into a third phase of self-annihilation.

Posted by: Born Free Stay Free at November 3, 2004 8:37 PM

The Netherlands once gave rise to a strain of hardy people--far from multiculturalists--that went into the South of Africa and practiced agriculture. They were called Boers and in these politically correct times--that gives equivalency to all cultures and also to those who lack of culture--are much disparaged as they did not want to be integated into the other culture that came to share the prosperity and land with them.

After sanctions, divestments, and disapproval by the multiculturalist world, the Boers, now called Afrikaaner (sp?) gave up what they had built to the other culture that gladly appropriated the country built by the Boers (with a little help from their "friends," the British).

But let me get to the point of all this. When did the Dutch turn ito whining wimps that make excuses for those (be it Morrocans, Algerians, Arabs, etc.) that want to take over Holland and make it into an Islamic country with the non-converting Dutch perhaps tolerated as dhimmis?

As has been said here, immigrants either adopt the culture of the country into which they immigrate or they should not be given citizenship nor the right to call themselves Dutchmen (Hollanders), Americans, Englishmen, Swedes, Danes, etc.

Not "a Dutchman slaughtered Theo Van Gogh," but "A Moslem on jihad slaughtered the Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh."

Posted by: unicorns62000 at November 3, 2004 8:48 PM

So again the scuzzy Muzzi's claim that all Muslims condemn this murder and has nothing to do with the teachings of Islams peace and tolerance
that's throughout the Quran.
Yeah,right,and the fact that the media reported the Muslim population was about 1 million and then in the same story tried to show the outright condemnation with pointing out that thousands of Muslims protested in the streets.
You mean out of 1 million Muslims only a handful
actually had the moral convictions to show their
belief in Islam condemning violence.
Remember,it was CAIR and Mr.Hooper that also professed Islam to be a faith of Peace,but as of today their online petition for Muslims to show contempt for the Jidadist murders "In the name of Islam" has only attracted less then 700,000 people which includes Muslims,yet CAIR asserts it speaks for the near 5 million Muslim in America.
Considering those numbers show almost 90 percent of the followers of Islam don't condemn the Jihad,and that too gets diluted when you factor in the American Muslim population is only about 0.0008 percent of the Worlds Muslims.

Mr.Hooper and CAIR should look in the mirror and ask if THEY are the ones that have it all wrong,and the 99.9992 percent outside the U.S. are the "TRUE" followers of Muhammed's message and the REAl goal of Islam within the Quranic verses.
Even CAIR Canada waited almost three weeks to lodge a complaint against a Jewish Leader which was came only after the outrage by non-Muslims that a Islamic leader was forgiven by Muslims for approving the murdering of all Israelis over 18.
Now the Host of the show where the antisemitism
was spewed is to blame for letting a Muslim on the show and allowing the 'Hate speech" to be create from the heated debate.
NO,actually an idiot was protected by the PC media in the past and was shocked at the free-speech forum and merely expressed the real antisemitism hidden inside that Peace-loving
teachings he got from the Quran.

Posted by: ala-sux at November 3, 2004 8:54 PM

"Question: if Israel pays settlers to move, why don't we pay muslim settlers in the Netherlands to do the same: move back?"
--Martin from Amsterdam

The comparison should be, "Why don't the countries from whence they came (Moslem lands) pay the Moslems that settled in Holland to come back to the Moslem lands they left?"

The answer, my dear Martin, is that these Moslem lands are not as eager to please the world and try to gain the world's approval as is the Israeli government.

The Israeli "settlers" did not go into a civilized settled country as immigrants and try to dominate it. They moved into territories--Judea, Samaria, Gaza--that are the ancestral lands of the Jews.

They did not try to form Israeli communities there until after these territories were conquered from Arab Moslems that sent armies to make war on Israel and wipe it from the map.

Now, in order to win world (EU and US) approval--acting like puppies that want to be stroked and loved--the government of Israel is willing to pay its citizens that have built communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza to turn over what they have built to Moslem Arabs that mostly have come from Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and other Moslem Arab countries.

You Dutch, instead of thiking about paying the Islamic immigrants that have innundated your country, and arrogantly demand that you follow their mores, should start deporting these invaders, stripping of their citizenship those that though born in Holland want to turn it into an Islamic cesspool.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at November 3, 2004 9:16 PM

I was looking through the kkkoran, and i found this line...

'Allah peace be upon him, he will be a twat and an idiot, and he will try to behead innocent people becaue he is so dignified.He, in his excellent godliness will murder ppl (sic) wh'o have nothing to do with any of the shit (sic) going on'..

does that that sun up the old KKKoran...i think so thanks.

monkeymurderer.
catherine makes no sense.
excellent, at least she hates the Arabs.,......bombs be upon them.

Posted by: ben2 at November 3, 2004 9:38 PM

monkeymurderer.
catherine makes no sense.
excellent, at least she hates the Arabs.,......bombs be upon them.

Posted by: ben2 at November 3, 2004 09:38 PM

Yea But I got a good Fight song??

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/3/115133.shtml

Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Pakistan Protecting bin Laden
Arnaud de Borchgrave
Thursday, Nov. 4, 2004
With his latest video sally, Osama bin Laden, the world's most wanted terrorist, has repositioned himself as the only leader willing to confront the world's sole superpower. Bin Laden has been hiding in Pakistan for almost three years, evidently with high-ranking protection.
Standing at a desk in a white turban and gold-colored ceremonial cloak, his message was clear: Not on the run but sharing the limelight with President Bush and his challenger John Kerry and hard at work as leader of disenfranchised Arabs and other Muslims seeking Palestine's liberation and the downfall of the authoritarian regimes of the Middle East and absolute monarchies and emirates of the Gulf.
Yasser Arafat's passing from the world stage also leaves a revolutionary vacancy. Thus, bin Laden's latest peroration is designed to outflank Muslim moderates who failed to obtain a change in Washington's pro-Israeli, benign neglect of the Palestinian crisis for the duration of the Iraqi crisis.
Bin Laden now knows that certain countless millions of Muslims, surveyed by the Pew Foundation two years in a row, trust him more than George W. Bush. In Muslim countries with a combined population of 450 million, bin Laden was a clear winner as a "freedom fighter" over the U.S. president. In Morocco and Jordan, two traditionally pro-Western countries, at least at the regime-to-regime level, Mr. Bush was trusted by fewer than 10 percent in either country.
Bin Laden also scored majorities among the 6 million, mostly poverty-stricken, North Africans living in slums on the outskirts of France's major cities. Similar paeans echoed among 1 million South Asians in the greater London region.
Pakistani denials notwithstanding, Osama bin Laden has been in Pakistan since Dec. 9, 2001, when he escaped from the Tora Bora mountain range. Countrywide, bin Laden feels secure with 66 percent of Pakistanis, which moves up to plus 80 percent in the Northwest Frontier Province and Baluchistan, the two provinces bordering Afghanistan and governed by bin Laden admirers who consider Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar a personal friend.
This reporter and a multilingual UPI team, tipped by a major tribal leader about bin Laden's progress as he exited the Tora Bora mountain range through the Tirah Valley, arrived at the location Dec. 11, 2001. Local villagers confirmed that bin Laden, on horseback, accompanied by some 50 fighters, had come out of the Tirah Valley two days before. They were close to a main road that led from Pakistan's FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas) to Peshawar, capital of the Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP). Bin Laden left in the direction of Peshawar in an SUV with darkened windows.
On either side of the road from Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan, to the Afghan border, there are large adobe-walled compounds of landowners and important tribal leaders. Osama bin Laden would be safe in any one of scores of such compounds.
Taliban's top leaders own similar estates where they live with impunity. Chaman, the Pakistani border town, is also home to a new crop of Taliban leaders. Some Pakistani journalists have the satellite phone numbers of Taliban's intelligence chief and other officials who feed them exaggerated or imagined tidbits about exploits against U.S. forces on the other side of the mountains.
Bin Laden could be sheltered in any of Pakistan's major cities. The sprawling port of Karachi on the Arabian Sea, surrounded by miles of slums, has some 15 million people. In Peshawar, a city of 3.5 million, many Pathans, like bin Laden, are over six feet tall. In FATA, rickety local buses display posters of bin Laden captioned "Freedom Fighter." Bin Laden also enjoys the protection of renegade members of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI).
Before Operation Enduring Freedom crushed the Taliban regime in November 2001, some 1,500 ISI operatives ensured the security of Mullah Omar's rule. They maintained permanent liaison with bin Laden and his top lieutenants as he moved around a score of terrorist training camps and safe houses in Kandahar and Jalalabad.
Conventional wisdom among the al-Qaida watchers in Pakistan says President Pervez Musharraf's regime is reluctant to launch a countrywide crackdown to find bin Laden. If bin Laden were captured, dead or alive, Mr. Musharraf would feel obligated to turn him over to the United States. And Pakistan might then face a disinterested U.S. administration and lose billions in aid.
Mr. Musharraf has said at different times he knew bin Laden was dead, then that he was alive but ill. Today, he concedes bin Laden may be in a mountain hideout where fiercely loyal local tribesmen would not betray him for the $25 million offered by the U.S.
Three months before the release of the September 11 Commission report, commission chief of staff Phil Zelikow asked a prominent Pakistani if he could "fill in the gaps about what was happening behind the scenes in Pakistan in the period immediately preceding the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington." He traveled the length and breadth of Pakistan working his sources, which included many former ranking government officials, retired senior officers and former ISI personnel.
The requested report arrived in Washington too late to be included in the commission's 567-page report, which mentioned Pakistan 311 times. Even if it had arrived in time, it probably would have been left out. The material turned over to Mr. Zelikow, a former member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (2001-2003), could prove even more embarrassing to Mr. Musharraf than the information supplied by U.S. intelligence about the international nuclear black market arms bazaar that was run for the benefit of America's enemies (North Korea, Iran and Libya).
The godfather of Operation Proliferation was Dr. A.Q. Khan, father of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, and a charter member of the country's pantheon of national heroes.
The unpublished addendum to the September 11 report said:
(1) Former senior ISI officers knew about the September 11 plot before the attacks occurred.
(2) Osama bin Laden has not left Pakistan since he escaped from Tora Bora.
(3) Bin Laden was treated for renal problems at a military hospital near Peshawar.
Mr. Musharraf will, of course, deny all this. Though he was army chief before his military coup in October 1999 gave him absolute power, Mr. Musharraf told the United States he knew nothing about A.Q. Khan's activities. This stretched credulity to the breaking point. He pardoned Mr. Khan and allowed him to keep his ill-gotten nuclear fortune. Future denials about bin Laden will ring as hollow.

The problem is they don’t know what Texans believe??? Slogan “ DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS”

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTORY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at November 3, 2004 10:21 PM

What a complete ass Job Cohen is. He equates the "feelings of fear and hatred" that the Dutch must feel, with what their hate-filled tormentors, the Moroccans who have managed to come and live among, and off them, feel. It is like telling us that the Nazis tormented and persecuted the Jews, and the Jews hated the Nazis -- and that somehow these are equivalent hatreds. Idiocy. And to suggest that the "feelings of fear and hatred" should be transubstantiated into feelings of "trust" -- why? To what end, if there has been entirely too much trust all over the damned Western World as far as Islam and Muslims goes. That is a little feat that impanation and invination just can't handle. Sorry -- not possible.

A new mayor is needed for Amsterdam, and not of the Redken variety. How about Rudy Giuliani: He already has experience with a place called Amsterdam, though that one was Nieuw, that should stand him in good stead; he has dealt swiftly with the murderous likes of Arafat, and the comical likes of the slightly-off blinking Bin Talal; he suffers foolishness most ungladly. Yes, he's the man for Amsterdam, and he has some time to Brattonize the Prinsengraecht as well.

The new mayor should not hesitate to celebate what is best in the recent Dutch past, and to deplore what is worst, and to try to recreate a the conditions that help produce a Miep Gies, not a Menten. And Giuliani would never utter this schoolgirl gush -- and dangerous gush -- about "turning feelings" into "trust" (feelings!), but would sense that those who are the inheritors of a rich and complicated civilization have a duty toward those who built what was left in legacy. Even a civilization in decline or temporary desarroi (but one with enormous powers of recupration), has a riht to demand some gratitude toward those who created it -- not to ignore or squander or throw it all away.

Those in Amsterdam whose horizons are limited to reefers and the privates-on-parade Red Light district should thing again, of Spinoza, the real father of the Enlightenment, and of Rembrandt, and of Grotius, and a hundred others -- not one of whom would have lasted a minute under Islamic rule. Demography is not destiny; there is still time to reverse trends, still time to take the actions that seem so unthinkable but are sanctioned by history, and which, not so long ago, were employed by the Czechs and the Poles and others who attempted to put paid to what they saw as the otherwise insoluble problem of German aggression.

Posted by: Hugh at November 3, 2004 11:34 PM

Job Cohen is indeed Jewish. His grandparents were killed in the Holocaust, if I remember correctly. He might become the next PM of Holland, election in a few days. Here is an article about him in Haaretz:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=254459

Posted by: libbysmom at November 3, 2004 11:50 PM

ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM.
Always.
We handle the individual who did 'the crime'
a criminal case for an act of war

THIS WAS THE ACT OF WAR FROM A WAR PARTY, ISLAM.

THEY ARE ALL ACTS OF WAR

AND WE CATCH THE 'SOLDIER'

AFTERAFTERAFTER THE EVIL

AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE SOLDIERS

Posted by: dby at November 4, 2004 2:16 AM

ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM.
Always.
We handle the individual who did 'the crime'
a criminal case for an act of war

THIS WAS THE ACT OF WAR FROM A WAR PARTY, ISLAM.

THEY ARE ALL ACTS OF WAR

AND WE CATCH THE 'SOLDIER'

AFTERAFTERAFTER THE EVIL

AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE SOLDIERS

Posted by: dby at November 4, 2004 2:16 AM

AND ITS ALL PRE-PROGRAMMED

THANKS MO

NOW WHAT ?

Posted by: dby at November 4, 2004 2:19 AM

Hmmm it seems all of the 'tiny extremist minority' seems to have passed by the same place at the same time.

Take a look at this article. Summary: An artist creates a life sized portrait of Theo van Gogh. Morroccan bystanders starts chanting slogans and even spit on the image!

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/15329121/Marokkanen_spugen_op_portret_Van_Gogh.html

Posted by: PJS1 at November 4, 2004 3:59 AM

Since 30 years the dutch socialist and christian democrats have consistantly promoted the islam and the immigration of by now 1,3 million muslims into this very small country. this moslim minority persist in their doctrine that non muslims must pay for their upkeep and must remain docile and subordinate. It is a major item of their belief that any one who mocks or insults islam or the prophet must be ritually slaughtered. The killer not only shot Theo van Gogh, but also slit his throat and stabbed him with a dagger to fix 5 pages of koran and hadith texts to his chest. The dutch government absolutely refuses to reveal the context of these pages , since this would confirm the hostile teachings of islam towards christianity and the western world. Worse , it would divulge the lunacy of their politics of the last thirty years to islamize the western world at all costs. The real ennemy of the western world is not islam, but socialism and christian leaders who support islam.

Posted by: oldnick at November 4, 2004 2:13 PM

Catherine wrote:

You European better grow some balls and learn to stand and Fight for your Rights!! Cause the American People are getting Tired of bailing your asses out of your apeasment!! and we may not come to help this time Take a Stand stop running!! LIKE PUSSYS
-------------------------------------------------
Catherine you're lucky you live in a country where you can stand up & say you're proud to be American .In the UK (& most of europe I suspect) WE cannot stand up & say we are proud to be British(or fly our flag)without our government calling us racists,thugs or nazis .Not to mention the way they use the police & media .
Also don't forget We don't have the right to bear arms as you do! You better believe the situation over here would be very different if we had access to the guns you do .

Posted by: TrueBrit at November 4, 2004 3:09 PM

"The real ennemy of the western world is not islam, but socialism and christian leaders who support islam."

There's a lot of truth in this. Many people who were elected by us European citizens to defend our rights - and who are handsomely paid to do exactly that - seem to prefer to give their support to a fascistic enemy which seeks to destroy our society and culture through intimidation and the threat of violence - and actual violence as this murder demonstrates.

Let such people remember that there were others who acted very like this before WW2 and even during the war itself.

After the war traitors such as John Amery, William Joyce ('Lord Haw Haw'), Vidkun Quisling and hundreds of others across Europe were tried, convicted and executed for their betrayal.

Let's remind those who created this problem, and who suck up to the islamofascists while their own people are afraid to venture out in their own cities (like my good friend Femke in Amsterdam), that they may one day have to face the justice of the people they betrayed.

Posted by: Benelux at November 4, 2004 5:04 PM

O/T but film related:

I was looking at the message board for 'The Message' at www.imdb.com - 'The Message' was a big-budget epic movie shot in Libya and is based on the life of Mohammed. It was made in two versions simultaneously, one with Arab actors and another for the international market with well-known UK and US actors like Anthony Quinn.

The film was produced and directed by - appropriately - the Arab producer who's made a fortune from producing the 'Halloween' horror series!

On one of the message boards someone calling himself al_jawad suggests the film is remade on the scale of 'The Lord of the Rings'. He says this: "I am not in favour of casting Caucasian or even Human actors in these movies (no offence to the 2 groups, I belong in the 2nd one, by the way ;)."

What a giveaway! Although he tries to make a light of the remark, it's obvious he subscribes to the commonly held view (among muslims) that only muslims are human - all non-muslims are obviously non-human.

Too bad the producer was forced to import western causcasian actors, cameramen, technicians and even a writer (to rewrite the Koran?) to make the film look half-way professional.

Posted by: Benelux at November 4, 2004 6:51 PM

PS: The version I'd like to see is 'Monty Python's Life of Mohammed', with, say, Billy Connolly, as Big Mo.

Posted by: Benelux at November 4, 2004 6:58 PM

Benelux - you and I seem to have the same taste in cinematic art, I always think of the scenes of medieval life in monty python and the holy grail whenever there's any mention of the "palestinians", you know, the wretches clad in rags collecting dung with their bare hands!

MP would make the perfect life of m. movie, wouldn't it be an absolute hoot?, god, the whole lunatic muslim world would erupt and their cover of ROP would be blown completely, even the dhimmiest of dhimmis would be screaming for their governments to roll out the tanks to protect them from the hordes of crazed, foaming at the mouth followers of the shoe, the shoe, or the gourd, the gourd!

If only, if only.

Posted by: saoirse at November 4, 2004 7:13 PM

Saoirse - there was a HUGE fuss from both Christians and Jews when 'Life of Brian' came out, so you can just imagine the muslim reaction if they turned their sights on Mo! Michael Palin wouldn't be able to step out of the house ever again, let alone go traipsing round the world in 80 Days...

But it would almost be worth it: sheer hilarity from start to finish. As you say, if only!

OSAMA (John Cleese): Er, hello, we've come to hear about the virgins...the 72 virgins...

YASSIR (Eric Idle):And the fresh young boys! Tell us about the fresh young boys...wink wink

MO'S MUM (Terry Jones): Fresh young---? (SHOUTS)
Mo! Come here! Have you been going around telling dirty stories again?

(MOHAMMED SLINKS IN GUILTILY)

MOHAMMED (Billy Connolly) No! Honest! Well, maybe just a couple here and there...

OSAMA (bowing reverently) Oh Messenger, Oh Prophet!

MO'S MUM: Prophet? He's not a prophet, he's a VERY NAUGHTY BOY!

Posted by: Benelux at November 4, 2004 8:55 PM

The Matrix was banned in Egypt, a supposedly
more evolved arab nation.

It is but one of innumerable examples of the
intolerance that is at the root of this
islamic culture.

I am being tempted, because of my very early
engagement in fighting the afro-arabo-muslim invasion of Europe in ways of which I cannot discuss to anyone (not murder!), of going
back into the fray in such a manner that
I would probably risk my life by doing so.

The problem is comfort. I yearn to live in peace
and quiet with my own. But no. It is coming
to knock on my door whether I like it or not.

It is all part of humanity's evolution.
While some are getting ready to colonize the
stars, we are still dragging behind all this
religious claptrap ,not the least the islamic
"faith". How long a society capable of producing
combat robots will tolerate sects whose ambition
is clearly to enslave us all or kill us seems
to me a pretty small amount of time.

With the global population increases in the third world and emerging countries, tensions can only
increase.

What is the European solution for the moment ?
to bury it's head in the sand and hope it doesn't
get it too hard in the rear...

I concede it must be hard to be a young arab in France for example, but there is no excuse for
the crass abuse of the thinning thread of our patience and tolerance.

It was no less than a declaration of war from
the arabs from day one. One would get branded
a racist in my country (France) for saying it.
Now I hear only silence and grim looks.
Of course all arabo-muslims are not dangerous
but their culture, as long as mixes politics
and religion can only lead to a confrontation.

The enemy is hoping we europeans don't have the guts to risk our comfy chairs for the sake of our
heritage. Wrong! I am here telling you this and
I know I (yes,me!) have the potential to crush them, if only with the right words to move the masses that will do the job.

Big words, and who do I think I am ?
A european who is proud of what our people
have brought to the world (yes, colonialism was ugly but no one is perfect), and who will not
let my identity be subverted and dissolved
by invaders.

We will fight to the death if necessary and not
let the name of France be dragged in the mud.
It is sad to come to extremeties and speeches
such as this one but I thought it needed to be
reminded that our politicians do not speak
for all of us over here in Europe.

We admire the guts of the americans who clearly
are in dangerous areas, but are they fighting
the real enemy or are they just grabbing oil
fields from an old irritant ? The saudis should
be taken out but who will have those guts ?
Not Bush. Oh well, I keep watching and
waiting. When the time is right, the european
race will rise to the challenge and either
digest the ungrateful or chew them up and spit them out.

Posted by: mystery at November 7, 2004 6:31 AM