This is completely off topic, but:

There has to be a better way of posting comments than having to scroll down right to the bottom, especially when there are over a hundred posts in a thread.

If anyone goes to the About.com forums, or even to the anti-Jihad forum, they will find a much easier way to post comments.

Just my two cents worth.

Posted by: Voltaire at November 9, 2004 8:25 AM

A Warning to all JWers

I'm astonished that, after all this time, my fellow JWers are still so susceptable to taqiyya and kitman. Anyone even CONSIDERING engaging the "hatshepsut" troll when it appears today should go back and read all of the threads from Nov. 6 & 7 JW articles and examine some of the egregious comments it made.

Now you are being targeted as potential da'wa subjects (Nov. 8 "Holland: mosques . . ." comments thread), and yet you simply accept the goodwill of this troll at face value. I recommend that you first examine its now-discredited comments on other threads (specifically the observations made by JTF), Spencer's warnings against addressing it or answering it in any way, and remember the familiar patterns exhibited by other muslim trolls. First they will "clear up our misconceptions", and if they fail to accomplish that, they finally resort to threats about eternal hellfire if they don't manage to cut off our heads first.

This troll has tried to hijack multiple threads on this site for its own agenda over the course of three days. It has been unmasked, and is a poser, [not what it claims to be, especially by way of profession and probably claiming convert status falsely as we see here frequently - some sort of da'wa tool; remember the "converts" who suddenly "saw the light" after September 11?] as most of them usually are. Please don't allow that to keep happening. You all know how to deal with muslim trolls. You should know the drill by now.

Posted by: CGW at November 9, 2004 9:07 AM

CGW:

I've dealt with that yahoo and it only took a couple of responses to see a pattern where tough questions are avoided by condesending tirades and claims of Muslim-bashing.
Those that don't have the brains to argue a point usually resort to attacking the author or disecting an opinion to look for a spelling error
to use for their proof that your views are invalid. There is a minor tinge of knowledge but
it's limited to throwing out catchwords and vague claims of psychological disorders since they don't understand or fully comprehend our comments.

Posted by: ala-sux at November 9, 2004 9:56 AM

Yes, I considered trying to draw the person in question into a discussion about the things to come upon the earth. But why bother? You can't get the truth anyway. And I didn't obey scripture where it says "cast not your pearls before swine, lest they turn and rend you" - won't happen again.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2004 10:48 AM

So they finnialy got one time to make sure you wash your vegs??

And get your duck tape??

Mixicali is a big winter vegie area and big redneck country??

Will be easy to shoot down a plane like that and People in the area are on their toes!!

That is still gun country!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to Stay the course to Victory to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

PS
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15853
Recruiting for Terror at Ball State
By Thomas Ryan
FrontPageMagazine.com | November 8, 2004
The Center for Peace and Conflict Studies at Ball State University was founded in 1988. It is the evolution of the previous anti-U.S. military program, the Center for Global Security Studies, which was created by leftwing academics in the early 1980's “as a response to the issues concerning the nuclear arms race.” Conducting “teach-ins” against nuclear arms, the Center for Global Security Studies was a component of the larger Nuclear Disarmament movement. Advocates of the Cold War-era nuclear freeze movement served as surrogates for the Soviet Union, seeking to “freeze” the U.S. deployment of nuclear missiles in Europe, to protect the Soviet Union’s missile superiority in Eastern Europe. President Reagan rejected the “freeze” movement, one of whose senatorial sponsors was Ted Kennedy, in favor of deploying cruise missiles in Western Europe while disregarding massive anti-American protests against their emplacement. The result was that the Kremlin, unable to compete in the arms race, sued for peace and then disintegrated.
The Peace and Conflict Studies Center describes its evolution from a surrogate for Soviet military diplomacy thus: “As threat of a nuclear war diminished, the Center refocused. Renamed the Center for Peace and Conflict Studies, it reflected twin perspectives – peace studies and conflict resolution.” But little changed in its anti-American agendas. Whereas the earlier program sought to undermine U.S. nuclear defense capabilities during the Cold War, the new program seeks to weaken U.S. resolve in the War on Terror.
In an article for Frontpagemagazine, “Indoctrination in the Classroom,” Brett Mock, a student in the program, wrote, “[My] class, essentially, was designed to discredit any reasons that a military response would be appropriate after 9/11.” Mock’s professor, George Wolfe, who is also the head the Peace Studies program, has made ample remarks to support Mock’s claim. At a 2002 September 11th Memorial Concert, Wolfe said to the audience in attendance, “The Sept. 11th tragedy a year ago today has stirred within everyone conflicting emotions as we deal with this event and understand what was and still remains unexplainable… Now, a year later, we take time to reflect, reflect on what we as Americans may have done or not done, to invoke such extreme hatred as to have motivated human beings to commit such a horrendous act.” Blaming the U.S. for the attacks against it is a reoccurring theme of anti-war activists. At an anti-war demonstration prior to the start of the war in Iraq in 2003, Wolfe – whose academic expertise consists of the study and manipulation of the saxophone, stated, “The war has already started, and we are losing. We are being defeated without shooting a gun… (U.S.) foreign policy is a fiasco. It's leading us down the wrong path.”
Other Ball State Peace Studies professors have been equally pointed in their condemnation America as responsible for the attacks of September 11th, 2001. Citing U.S. involvement in the Middle East as a probable reason for 9/11, Director Emeritus and Associate Professor of History, Phyllis Zimmerman, said, “Mediation assumes you are neutral, and I think many, not just Muslims, but a lot of people, perceive America is not neutral in the Middle East peace process at all…there is a great deal of resentment against stirring the pot up for our own gain, for our own interest.” Zimmerman furthermore describes the War on Terror as a “tool” used by the Bush administration to obtain national conformity after the 2000 election dispute. Zimmerman states, “[The word] war was used immediately, right after it happened (9/11). We are at war. That unifies people. Don't forget the divisiveness in this country as a result of the last election. War makes presidents. The result is, you could argue in part the reason we are using war rhetoric, we are using it as a manipulative tool to get people behind you…People are scared about wars, but then there is 'we have to be unified.' That means you can't question. You can't do that in a war. Those people are unpatriotic. That rhetoric makes it very difficult to get dialogue going in war. That's why they use that.”

Demonstrations, protests, and “social activism” are a large part of the Center for Peace and Conflict Studies’ curriculum. In Wolfe’s “Introduction to Peace Studies and Conflict Resolution” class, participation in such anti-war demonstrations counts as one of three options by which students are graded. Mock states that students were recruited from his class to attend anti-war rallies, and that students “received extra academic credit as an incentive to go.” These academically-credited protests were specifically organized by Wolfe’s activist group, PeaceWorkers, whose agendas are leftwing and anti-American military.

PeaceWorkers was formed as the Iraq war got under way to promote “peaceful and just interactions between individuals, organizations, and nations.” The first event that the PeaceWorkers activists took part in was staged on March 4 2003, on the eve of the war. “Student Strike for Books Not Bombs,” called on students across the country to strike in protest of the War in Iraq. “Books Not Bombs” includes such member organizations and endorsers as: Medea Benjamin’s anti-Israel and pro-Castro organization Global Exchange; Historians Against the War, an anti-American coterie of leftwing history professors which has organized anti-war teach-ins at over forty colleges and universities across the country; the radical Student Peace Action network, whose anti-Semitic Palestinian Solidarity March in 2002 was attended by activists adorned with swastikas; and the Young Communist League. Another member of Books not Bombs is the Muslim Students’ Association of the United States and Canada (MSA). The MSA is a Saudi-originated, pro-Hamas organization which is steering committee member of the Marxist-Leninist–front group International A.N.S.W.E.R. The MSA which makes no secret of its sympathies for terrorists has also sought out financial aid for the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, a charity organization that funded the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. On September 9, 2003, two days before the anniversary of 9/11, Wolfe served on an MSA Ball State panel in a discussion entitled “Islam in their Eyes.”

One indoctrination method employed Wolfe is requiring students to use textbooks that follow the leftwing party line and insist on students’ agreeing with the doctrine. “I was forced to read a book that I strongly disagreed with,” comments student Brett Mock, “write about that book, and then present the book to the class as though I agreed with it, which I did not.” Wolfe is not alone among “Peace Studies” professors in forcing students to read radical books as their principal course texts. In the "Environment and Society," class students are required to read the eco-propaganda book Ishmael, An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit, by Daniel Quinn. The book has been championed by the left as a classic of radical environmentalism. It recounts the dialogue between a telepathic Gorilla and his human student. The thrust of the story is that humans are to blame for the world’s ills -- and not humans in general, but specifically Christians and Jews. Other books on the Center for Peace and Conflict Studies reading lists include: The Coming United Religions, by William E. Swing, which advances the United Religions Initiative, a religious equivalent of the United Nations, which seeks the dissolution of disparate religions in favor of a religious governing body that promotes the worshiping of an “all-inclusive” god. Also prominent is Noam Chomsky’s Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance, an anti-American screed, which describes the United States as the greatest terrorist state and a threat to human survival.

The ideological agendas of Center for Peace and Conflict Studies and its favored organizations like PeaceWorkers are hardly concealed. The website for PeaceWorkers, which is hosted by the Center’s own website, contains links to radical organizations and connects the student to a coalition which includes the pro-terrorist Muslim Students Association and the Young Communist League. Links also include Moveon.org, which spear-headed the efforts of Kerry-supporters George Soros and former organizing director Zack Exley, to unseat George Bush in the 2004 elections. In other words, in addition to conducting an indoctrination program under university auspices, the Center for Peace and Conflict Studies also promotes organizations supporting political candidates.

The Peace Studies program at Ball State is not an academic course but an indoctrination and recruitment program operating at tax-payers expense and under the false cover of an educational program. Worse, it is indoctrinating students and recruiting them to agendas that are anti-American, anti-military and friendly to the terrorist enemy intent on destroying us.

Posted by: Catherine at November 9, 2004 11:45 AM

We all know terrorist attacks are going to happen. It's always been a matter of time. This is why we must keep supporting our troops and the efforst of our President and his administration, no matter how tough it might be at time to stomach. The only way to forge a path to world peace is going to be by cutting a swath through Islam, in one way or another.

Iran is next.

Posted by: Foehammer at November 9, 2004 1:15 PM

Concern over the comings and goings of people, goods, and equipment in the less inhabited areas of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico is not misplaced. These areas approximate some of the terrain of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Could this be the reason why al-Qaeda chose Tuscon as the most important operational destination outside of Pakistan?

What is out there? The better questions are: who is out there, and, what have they planned?

The misplacement of a cropduster, even from Mexico, is troubling as we are well aware of the uses to which this tiny plane could be put.

The disappearance of propane from Denver, yet another Western location, is also troubling. Are these events coincidental?

I hope the pre-9/11 communications problems have been solved as well as the destructive inter-agency turf wars. Someone should be connecting the dots and keeping this area under vigilance. In fact, we all should be eternally vigitlant.

Posted by: epg at November 9, 2004 3:57 PM

EPG:

Good deductive points there, whether any of this pans out or not ,maybe we can try and connect the dots if there are continuing disappearances of items within the Southern desert triangle that point to places like Tuscon or the Mosque near the campus of Arizona state University in Phoenix as a recent article did this week in Jihad watch. Arizona is already proven to be a nexus for jihad activity. Mexicali is on the Califonia Border but not to far from the Arizona border.

Posted by: Mackie at November 9, 2004 7:29 PM

No doubt this is all connected to the cattle mutilations and crop circles as well. It appears that the Grays (aliens) are, in fact, Muslims!

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Posted by: Norseman at November 9, 2004 8:52 PM