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No doubt we will be hearing again soon about how this sort of thing is against Islam. We've been down that road before — and here is a fatwa ruling that mutilation is just fine under certain circumstances. This is why I sometimes challenge moderates to be more specific and to challenge directly radical Muslim understandings of Islam: it may be comforting to many Westerners to hear that beheading and mutilation are "un-Islamic," but it does nothing to answer the pro-mutilation Islamic arguments put forward in that fatwa. Until self-proclaimed moderate Muslims actually take on and refute the radicals, all their visions of a noble, peaceful renaissance of Islam will continue to be just whistling in the dark.
From News.com.au, with thanks to JE:
AS hundreds of insurgents who escaped the US onslaught of Fallujah regrouped for further attacks across Iraq, the body of a blonde-haired Caucasian woman with her legs and arms cut off and throat slit was found last night in a street in the battle-torn city. The discovery of the woman wearing a blue dress and with her face shockingly disfigured was made as US marines moved through the south of Fallujah, hunting the remaining diehard rebels after a week of fierce fighting to regain control of the city."It is definitely a Caucasian woman with long, blonde hair," said a military official, who cut open a cover that had been over the corpse. Two Western women are known to have been kidnapped in Iraq. Teresa Borcz Khalifa, 54, a Polish-born longtime resident of Iraq, was seized last month and has blonde hair.
Margaret Hassan, 59, director of Care International in Iraq, was also abducted last month and has chestnut-coloured hair.
"It is a female ... missing all four appendages, with a slashed throat and disembowelled, she has been dead for a while but only in this location for a day or two," said Benjamin Finnell, a hospital apprentice with the Navy Corps, who inspected the body. Colonel Mike Shupp said last night the operation to sweep house-to-house through Fallujah should take another four to five days as marine commander Major-General Richard Natonski said more than 1200 rebels had been killed in the week long-offensive.
Posted by Robert at November 15, 2004 3:01 AM
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And this is how the jihadist justify their actions:
//ummah.net/forum/printthread.php?t=39924
While the Quran and other sources of Islamic law prohibit killing civilians, al-Qaida's ideologues have argued that it is permitted as a form of "reciprocal attacks." That reasoning was outlined in a document posted in April 2002 on an al-Qaida Web site, which attempted to provide a religious justification for the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.
To support killing civilians, the group used one phrase in the Quran, "And one who attacks you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you." The document argued that if an enemy uses tactics that are prohibited in Islam (such as targeting civilians), those tactics become legal for Muslims.
Most religious authorities reject that reasoning and note that the Quranic prohibitions against killing innocents are much broader than the isolated phrases often used by militants to justify their actions
There is much more on the subject at the site.
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at November 15, 2004 4:06 AM
Another disgusting example of what really happens to women and children from the butchers of Islam!
Torture, mutilation...recorded on videos so these sickos can relive these horrific acts - all in the service of Allah, of course.
at November 15, 2004 4:12 AM
Susan,
Thanks for the address. Lets face it the muslim apologists will twist any scenario to make it appear "justifiable", by the words of the koran. Just once I would like to hear one of these people condemn such bloody murders, without at some point in the speech, adding that it is "un-islamic" ( a laughable phrase that doesn't wash with any apart from gullible people, and those in denial because they fear the truth.... the more the apologists use this excuse though the less plausible it become, the less people believe it, and the more everyone begins to see that such savagery is actually completely islamic)
or trying to add some kind of justification to make out it is not the fault of the occultist killers(Beslan: The apologists couldn't even give this sickening massacre a bad press without highlighting Russia's bombardment of Grozny; -- as if that is the same as hi-jacking a school....).
at November 15, 2004 9:07 AM
I have just found this URL for a anti US/UK pro islamic lefty website:
www.iraqoccupationfocus.org.uk
maybe visitors to this site could e mail them and ask when they intend to protest at the genocide in Darfur and southern sudan ?
Posted by: apostate_islam at November 15, 2004 9:26 AM
So the brave warriors of Allah and Muhammad
beat-up women,then kill them for tossing on the streets as an example of how tough an enemy they are.
Wow,I'm shaking in my boots over these girly-men that run away as soon as things get hot,this is why Islamists will never prevail because most
will flee a fight and we in the West know how to die for the freedom of our childrens future.
I wish I was young enough to join the Army if Holland needs help to repell the Mujahadeen invaders that are murdering and threatening muder to artists and Politicians,as mush as I dislike the slimeball,bloodsucking,leach Politicains,democracy gives me the chance to vote out those slimeball,bloodsucking,leaches.
Judging by the way the self-professed moderate Muslims are remaiming silent on Jihadists and now playing the victims of the once tolerant Dutch society. I don't tolerate intolerance or the intolerant,Mosques that provide shelter and nurture Militants teachings automatically lose the status of a valid religion and should be shut down or have the Imam's jailed if refusing to report Jihadists at the Mosque.
Now tell me one more time about how Iraq is the cradle of Civilization and Baghdad was the center for intellectuals and world progress in the sciences.
With Saddam gone it appears that the years of pent-up anger and violence supressed by fear of death by the State,is now unchecked and we're seing the real face of Iraq,Muslims will have the choice of making Iraq work as a civilized country or let it go the way of other Arab and Muslim nation to poverty and violence.
at November 15, 2004 10:01 AM
apostate_islam :
Here's the hypertext link to make it easier.
http://www.iraqoccupationfocus.org.uk/
at November 15, 2004 10:03 AM
Like most psychotic patients in mental hospitals, Muslims should not be allowed to play with sharp objects.......Religion of peice at its finest.
Posted by: DCWatson at November 15, 2004 11:06 AM
piece.....pieces parts.....
Posted by: DCWatson at November 15, 2004 11:07 AM
These are the type of people the US soldiers have to contend with, militant Jeffrey Dahmer types.
These beings thrive on death, relish in disembowlement and feed on human blood.
And they claim an Almighty sanction to commit these acts? What kind of god is this?
Posted by: Moe's Foe at November 15, 2004 12:22 PM
In a earlier post I mentioned a threat by the Palestinians in Canada that all aid to Israel must stop,this occured right after the death of Arafat.
Here's is a link to the peaceniks that opposed the cleasing of Fallujah,guess the beheadings and abuse of women don't appear on their radar as a issue of human rights,the Mosques with caches of weapons and homes loaded with IED material for
murdering Iraqis also don't matter to the yahoo's hell bent of blaming Israel for all the ills of Muslims and Palestinians.
http://www.arab2000.net/wnewsDetails.asp?id=15750&cid=48
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Four humans were burned in their car and then dragged in the street to a bridge where they then were tied up to a tress and displayed to a cheering crowd of peacful god-fearing Muslims,the town was Fallujah,and now the CARE worker that only wanted to help Iraqi children and the sick and injured adults of Iraq was found on the street as a beated and mutilated corpse.
The no-war crowd had Palestinian flags and a couple of Union banners,because of a CAW sponsoring of a immigrant centre that I witnessed coaching people to hate the Jews and hate Americans,I no longer buy a Union made Automobile
from the CAW which is our wing of the UAW.
Find out what Unions support and protest with your money,people shouldn't be forced to pay Union dues that go to teaching newcomers that the JEWS caused the 2nd World war and Americans are evil and Imperialistics that want global domination to oppress Blacks.
I emailed the Union and a Politician connected to the Immigrant Centre and didn't get a response,the left wants the US to pull back and let Israel be wiped off the map,these are the real bigots and intolerant racists.
MiddleEast protestors are using our system to
attempt moral suasion to help their cause.
at November 15, 2004 12:58 PM
Ala-sux:
I recall the disgusting and disingenuous poster campaign to which you allude.
What most people fail to understand is that the people who inhabit Iraq now bear little resemblence ethnically or culturally to the peoples who inhabited it 2500+ years ago, a goodly proportion of whom were Jews.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 15, 2004 1:00 PM
Waterdragon, that is quite right. The Persians created most of the culture in that region. So far as I know the only Persian stock left are in Iran (more knowledgeable people Please correct me! If I am wrong). And they've been under the arab/islamic thumb so long they may never recover from it.
Posted by: Gary at November 15, 2004 1:23 PM
I believe the only remnant of folk who lived in the area 2500 years ago are the Assyrians and Chaldeans. Persians were in the area prior to that.
Assyrians and Chaldeans are a semitic group, but they are ethnically different than the Arabs.
Posted by: Moe's Foe at November 15, 2004 1:44 PM
"I think they're a little surprised by how squeamish we are about dying," particularly in this fashion, McCauley said, noting the long history of beheading in the Arab world and what he considers a religious underpinning to the practice."
How unsophisticated of us to be "squeamish" about the prospect of being beheaded!
But what they fail to mention in this article is how radicalized Americans have become in regards to these sons of b*tches.
We are horrified, filled with pain and anguish for those having to go though their last moments on earth in this manner. But there is an overiding emotion they are not mentioning as we take note of brutal beheading after beheading. Anger, they are not mentioning the anger and the bloody hatred we feel for these vermin. They're creating citizens who will not be lulled by the soothing, reassuring tones of taqiyyah and kitman, who'd have more regret slaughtering a chicken than one of these heartless, murdering bastards.
Posted by: Kemaste at November 15, 2004 2:22 PM
Muslims have no trouble DESICRATING a human body, cutting off the limbs, disemboweling and mutalting the face and then dumping the body in the street as though it were mondays trash....yet muslims all over the world were frothing at the mouth when bacon strips were placed on a muslim corpse in a London hospital (not that the bacon thing was right....but you can see the difference here) They called the bacon DESICRATION, but have no trouble treating the remains of non muslims like trash...what comes around goes around.
Posted by: USAgirl at November 15, 2004 2:22 PM
USAgirl,
What bacon desecration are you speaking of? I am not familiar with this story.
Posted by: Moe's Foe at November 15, 2004 2:33 PM
Kemaste:
Yes, there is a very strange obsession with death amongst the Jihadist strain. Not long ago, MEMRI.org carried translations from the Arab media of stories that the parents of schoolchildren in Saudi Arabia were very distraught about their children being traumatised because the curriculum included viewing corpses to learn how people looked when they suffered a "good death" vs a "bad death". The parallels between what is going on in the Saudi kingdom and what went on in Nazi Germany are too sickening for words, and it will be a very long time before the damage gets undone.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 15, 2004 2:33 PM
I am getting sick and tired of the seemingly patronizing comment that all Muslims are not terrorists, for this reason:
In the United States our citizens support their Military. The reason of course is they provide for our Security. Also they are our Sons/Daughters, Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, Sisters, Friends, Acquaintances etc.
Muslims can be no different in their love of Sons/Daughters, etc.
The fact is every Muslim is in it up to their ears in Jihad. Their silence and non action via demonstrations and to the contrary celebration in many cases makes the case that they are in the most sinister CULT ever created that is similar in all but size to Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones,David Koresch and last but not the least, Charles Manson.
Islam has a military arm in the form of Terrorists, Guerilla's, and conventional. Its existed since their very creation in the early 600's AD.
Their so called RELIGION is but the MASK of Islam. Their goal is world domination and they are doing as they have done it for 15 centuries with their military arm.
It is no miracle that TURKEY, Saudi Arabia etc have no infidels.
Posted by: paulc37 at November 15, 2004 2:42 PM
paulc37:
Saudi Arabia is certainly free of infidels, but Turkey does have a small Jewish population for certain (two synagogues were bombed last May or thereabouts), and I would suspect there is a small Christian remnant as well.
There are, however, other Arab Muslim states in addition to Saudi Arabia that have also been cleansed of all infidels, or at least of its Jewish population (e.g.: Aden, Yemen, Jordan).
The myth the Arab world likes to perpetuate for obvious reasons is that Jews are generally foreign to the Middle East, and particularly foreign to what they now like to call Palestine, but this is patently false. Centuries of persecution after the fall of Rome and the rise of Islam certainly reduced the population, but never eliminated it. Now, the descendants of those Middle Eastern Jews (who never inhabited Eastern or Central Europe) either live in Israel, or fled to southern Europe (primarily France) or North America after the founding of the Jewish State.
The Arab/Muslim/"non-aligned" block succeeded in getting Israel labelled an apartheid state, (there are those who say this was actually pushed by the former Soviet Union) although there is complete freedom of religious association and Israel is home to a rainbow spectrum racially, but in fact the apartheid states are the Arab Muslim ones. In fact, they may be the bona fide originators of apartheid, carried out on the basis of deeming parts of the Arabian penninsula the holy land of Islam (the Hejaz) and then extending this "holy land" continually.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 15, 2004 4:48 PM
paulc37:
Saudi Arabia is certainly free of infidels, but Turkey does have a small Jewish population for certain (two synagogues were bombed last May or thereabouts), and I would suspect there is a small Christian remnant as well.
There are, however, other Arab Muslim states in addition to Saudi Arabia that have also been cleansed of all infidels, or at least of its Jewish population (e.g.: Aden, Yemen, Jordan).
The myth the Arab world likes to perpetuate for obvious reasons is that Jews are generally foreign to the Middle East, and particularly foreign to what they now like to call Palestine, but this is patently false. Centuries of persecution after the fall of Rome and the rise of Islam certainly reduced the population, but never eliminated it. Now, the descendants of those Middle Eastern Jews (who never inhabited Eastern or Central Europe) either live in Israel, or fled to southern Europe (primarily France) or North America after the founding of the Jewish State.
The Arab/Muslim/"non-aligned" block succeeded in getting Israel labelled an apartheid state, (there are those who say this was actually pushed by the former Soviet Union) although there is complete freedom of religious association and Israel is home to a rainbow spectrum racially, but in fact the apartheid states are the Arab Muslim ones. In fact, they may be the bona fide originators of apartheid, carried out on the basis of deeming parts of the Arabian penninsula the holy land of Islam (the Hejaz) and then extending this "holy land" continually.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 15, 2004 4:49 PM
waterdragon52 says,
"...but in fact the apartheid states are the Arab Muslim ones."
And blatantly racist too. Case in point: The Sudan. Their black muslim brothers are on the defensive. Forget about the two million Christian Sudanese who have been slaughtered.
Islam is Arabism. Arabism is Islam.
It is unfortunate that the non-Arab states which have had this freak show of a creed rammed down their throats have forgotten this.
Posted by: Moe's Foe at November 15, 2004 5:12 PM
I wonder how long it will take for Al-Jazeera to air some footage of this woman being tortured and slaughtered.
Posted by: Border Collie at November 15, 2004 5:14 PM
It is comforting to find a site where people are not blind to the truth of fanatical islam.
I continue to hope the countries of the world awake before Islam is the "last one standing".
at November 15, 2004 6:36 PM
I said it and i`ll say it again:for each such murder,at least 1000 muslims should be deported and at least one mosque should be permanently closed.
They will continue to do the murderings and the beheadings for as long as they won`t be punished for it.
at November 15, 2004 7:10 PM
Remember this is considered a holy act in the satanic religion of peace. (ROPMA)
Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 15, 2004 9:06 PM
Moe's Foe
From what I've read, workers at a morgue in London, placed bacon strips on the body of a muslim grandmother who had died.
I think that the police investigated.
Posted by: Voltaire at November 16, 2004 4:47 AM
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