OK. So we've got Jews disguised as Muslims, committing terrorist acts to give Muslims a bad name.

BINGO! I have just come to the conclusion that Allah's Holy Messenger must have been a Jew disguised as a Muslim bandit.

These Jews are really cunning. Even Allah was taken for the ride.

This means that the Jews started Christianity, Islam and Marxism.

They really know how to make trouble.

Posted by: Uhller_Isshaytan at November 21, 2004 8:47 AM

No, muslims tarnish the image of Islam...ALL muslims.

Posted by: Voltaire at November 21, 2004 8:51 AM

Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 283:
Narrated Abu Juhaifa:

I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

Posted by: Uhller_Isshaytan at November 21, 2004 9:25 AM

Kitman, kitman, I say kitman!!!! The Prince has been accustomed to getting away with these practices and now is bewildered that people in the West are on to them.

As for tarnishing the image of Islam, the image was tarnished in my book by the founder, a brigand that used the sword and criminal activities such as murder, rape, theft, and so on to spread his ideology. The greatest of his crimes was to call it a religion.

Posted by: epg at November 21, 2004 9:32 AM

Now everybody looks at Muslims, Arabs, Saudis and others as criminals. In fact, we have nothing to do with crimes,” he told top civilian and military officers who came to greet him on Eid Al-Fitr.

Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh, the Kingdom’s grand mufti, had also stated that going to Iraq for jihad would lead to self-destruction.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at November 21, 2004 9:42 AM

"Now everybody looks at Muslims, Arabs, Saudis and others as criminals."

Muslims as criminals and terrorists? Where would anyone get such a wacky notion? /sarcasm

Posted by: Megan at November 21, 2004 10:13 AM

By now someone must have marketed a CAIR doll in the image of Ibrihim Hooper that parrots the Muslim tripe when you push the button.

The usual mindless prattle from Hooper would be:

- Islam means peace
- Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11
- Allah loves the Jews
- No attack on Muslims justifies beheadings
- The Koran forbids violence
- Terrorists aren't "True" Muslims
**************************************************
Aaaawwwwk...Hooper wants and cracker,Hooper wants a cracker,Islam is peace..Islam is peace.

NO ISLAM - KNOW A FREE HOLLAND

Posted by: ala-sux at November 21, 2004 10:24 AM

“Now everybody looks at Muslims, Arabs, Saudis and others as criminals. In fact, we have nothing to do with crimes,” he told top civilian and military officers who came to greet him on Eid Al-Fitr."

"everybody" sure.

This guy is an Islamist at heart. Islamists typically toss out abstract false accusations to cover up the Jihad agenda.

"nothing" sure.

What is the definition of "nothing" again? What about the radical Saudi schools?

Islam tarnishes Islam.

AND:

Islam does NOT police itself despite the lip-service.

Posted by: Report at November 21, 2004 10:32 AM

Not at my usual comp and this one does odd things, so not sure this will post.

Two things this morning:

Watching CNN talk about what is going on with 911 recommendations. They seem to be very Pleased to point out how some Republicans are holding things up. I just have to wonder how much more pleased they would have been, had kerry gotten the nod: democrats would be working to dismantle implementation completely, is my OP.

2nd: Watched this Scheuer guy on Meet the Press. I did not see the part where he accuses the Bush admin of imperialism, but was curious to note that every single person he mentioned as failing to take advantage of up to 10 opportunities to get Bin Laden, were all in the Clinton Administration. In fact he said nothing about Bush appointees or the Bush admin at all on that score, for 911 happening to us.

Posted by: Gary at November 21, 2004 11:07 AM

Not at my usual comp and this one does odd things, so not sure this will post.

Two things this morning:

Watching CNN talk about what is going on with 911 recommendations. They seem to be very Pleased to point out how some Republicans are holding things up. I just have to wonder how much more pleased they would have been, had kerry gotten the nod: democrats would be working to dismantle implementation completely, is my OP.

2nd: Watched this Scheuer guy on Meet the Press. I did not see the part where he accuses the Bush admin of imperialism, but was curious to note that every single person he mentioned as failing to take advantage of up to 10 opportunities to get Bin Laden, were all in the Clinton Administration. In fact he said nothing about Bush appointees or the Bush admin at all on that score, for 911 happening to us.

Posted by: Gary at November 21, 2004 11:07 AM

ALL:

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Posted by: CGW at November 21, 2004 12:16 PM

It's too late for the likes of Abdullah to any longer prettify Islam. Too many people can now read the Qur'an and hadith, for they are on-line. Too many people, finally fed up with the likes of Esposito and Armstrong or the endless propagandists, including that triumvirate of transparent propagandists, Rashid Khalidi at Columbia, Rami Khoury at the Daily Star in Beirut, Fawaz Gerges (like Khoury an “islamochristian” who parrots the Muslim agenda and view of things, but with a broader grimace), those who want us to keep focusing on the putative sins of Israel and the “centrality” of that matter when a glance around the from Beslan to Amsterdam to Madrid to Kashmir to southern Sudan to northern Nigeria to the Balkans to New York, to Washington, to southern Thailand causes us to release that the war against Israel is only a local expression of a world-wide totalitarian belief-system whose adherents firmly believe in the right, as Muhammad says, of “Islam to dominate and not to be dominated.” Naturally the Arabs would prefer that Infidels learn nothing about the tenets of Islam, still less about the treatment of non-Muslims under Muslim rule, over 1350 years, and from Spain to Indonesia, and to keep the high-beams on that little affair of little Israel.

But Infidels are not having it any longer. “J’en ai marre” – I’m fed up – that is what they are saying even in France, if the always-perspicacous Yvan Rioufol’s latest column in Figaro is to be trusted. They have come to realize that neither their governments, nor many of the apologists for Islam now teaching in Western universities, will offer any guidance or real instruction. So they are studying that belief-system on their own. It is not, after all, impossible to learn what hundreds of millions of others have learned. And it is nonsense for defenders of Islam to suggest that "only" native speakers of Arabic can read the texts when 70-80% of the world's Muslims cannot read Arabic, and that one now has available, on-line, and side-by-side, four or five translations of the Qur'an, and at the same site, Bukhari's Hadith, and elsewhere, one can find other hadith, as well as the sira (the sacralized biography) of Muhammad. And further, for insight into the mindset of many Muslims, to understand the quality of its logic, the nature of its reasoning power, the worldview that Islam encourages, Infidels can now go to Muslim websites and be amused, or horrified, or both.

Michael Sells may put out a sanitized version of the Qur'an and the apologists at the University of North Carolina may force this utterly misleading text on the hapless freshmen (is there no faculty member willing to protest this outrage -- in, for example, the History Department?). But we are not Chapel Hill freshmen, meek and mild, and neither Sells, nor Carl Ernst, nor the rest of the members of MESA can any longer control what we read, and what we learn. And they know perfectly well that the most distinguished scholars of Islam or of Muslim history in America -- including MIchael Cook, Patricia Crone, and Bernard Lewis -- however much even these people mind their backs and pull their punches out of all sorts of considerations and apprehensions -- know the truth of the matter far more than the Rashid Khalidis and the Roy Mottahedehs (unkind, one knows, to put his name in the same sentence with a crudepropagandist like Khalidi, but Mottahedeh should know better—after all, he quotes Robert Benchley). The army of apologists of Islam, both Muslim and non-Muslim, abroad in the Western world, is simply being ignored. For their predictions (poohpoohing any problem with militant Islam for the past several decades) and their analyses simply are false, and now can easily be seen to be false. There is just too much data that does not fit their theories -- such as the "theory" that the Arab war on Israel explains Muslim hatred of America or the West. Now that Muslim aggression against non-Muslims everywhere in the world is out in the open, and now that there is greater understanding of the war against the Infidels -though as yet a full comprehension of the 1350-year history of Muslim subjugation of non-Muslims is not yet widely comprehended -- many statements that might have passed a decade ago, or five years ago, or even two years ago, are simply going to be met with incredulity and suspicion. Even the doctrines of taqiyya and kitman can be found widely discussed on-line -- and with the name, comes the concept, and once the concept is understood, the mixture as before of nonsense and lies cannot any longer continue to succeed. All over the Western world, some triggering event -- such as the murder of Theo van Gogh -- is waking Infidels up. Some still choose to deny, out of fear of what full understanding would then require them to do, if they are to save their own civilisation, but the numbers of those still capable, with a straight face, in parroting nonsense is perhaps smaller among the led and the ruled, than among the leaders and the rulers. It is they who need to change their rhetoric, and they who need to reflect, in their own policies, what so many ordinary Dutch, Italians, French, English, Russians -- and Americans -- have come to understand, not because of government efforts to whip them up against Islam, but despite the best efforts of governments and the media to prevent them from learning the full, unsettling truth about the tenets of Islam. More Muslims in the Lands of the Infidels must inevitably mean, for those indigenous Infidels, a rise in daily friction, in unpleasantness, in collisions, in huge and growing security costs (including the costs of police, guards at railroads and airports and subwways and bus stations, and to guard Jewish schools, and Christian schools, and synagogues, and churches, and outspoken political figures, and all the rest), and in greater physical danger (Beslan, Moscow, Madrid, New York, Washington, Bali, southern Thailand, churches in Iraq, Pakistan, and Sudan). Ultimately the Shari’a is incompatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, with the American Constitution, and with the Declaration of the Rights of Man. How one can, with a straight face, pretend that adherents of a belief-system that directly contradicts all of those, and that preaches that “Islam must dominate and is not to dominate,” and that Muslims owe all their loyalty to fellow Muslims, can somehow “integrate” or “be integrated” into Western society – without fatally changing, for the worse, the nature of that society – is hard to understand.

And it is too late, for the Abdullahs of this world, to suppress the accumulated scholarsihp of the past, scholarship of French, English, American, German, Dutch, Italian, Russian, Bulgarian, Rumanian, Greek, Serbia, Spanish, Indian students of aspects of Islamic conquest, or of the Muslim belief-system, or of the remarkably similar treatment, over 1350 years of conquest and subjugation, of non-Muslims under Muslim rule. What Mary Boyce discovered amounted to a history of massacre, persecution, and slow asphyixation of the Zoroastrians -- adherents of the original state religion of Iran -- under Islam, is remarkably similar to what the Christians and Jews of the MIddle East and North Africa and of the Balkans endured. The Hindus of India, under the 250 years of Mughal rule, had it still worse, with 60-70 million killed over that period. The use now made not only of Muslim sources, but of non-Muslim sources (e.g. the chronicler Arakel of Tabriz, the treasure-trove of the Cairo Geniza that Goitein so thoroughly investigated, the Infidel diplomats who, for the past two hundred years, have been sending back reports from the Muslim world -- at least, until diplomats in the last 40 years became the hirelings of Arab states). ) Bat Ye'or, the world's leading student of dhimmitude, has in her three previous books -- The Dhimmi, Islam and Dhimmitude, The Destruction of Eastern Christianity Under Islam -- has been undeterred by the cold shoulder shown her by many.

As for "tarnishing the image of Islam" -- Abdullah should think for a moment, and just imagine what it might be like to be a non-Muslim who now has begun to read, with intelligent comprehension, the Qur'an, the hadith, and the sira. And to read some of the commentaries. And to read Schacht, Margoliouth, Noldeke,
Bousquet, Lal, Bell, Blachere, Muir, Goldziher, Fagnan, Hurgronje, Wensinck, Zwemer, Jeffery, Bat Ye'or, and a hundred others. Were all of these French, British, American, German, Dutch, Italian scholars (and Spanish, Bulgarian, Russian, Rumanian, Czech, Polish, and Danish scholars of Islam and Muslim history could just as easily have had their names been added ) simply attempting to "tarnish the image" of Islam?

Islam is a totalitarian belief-system. It emphasizes the collective; it refuses the autonomy of individual conscience. Believers cannnot ever leave the Army of Islam -- they must stay as Muslims or face severe punishment, even death. It is a belief-system based on dominance -- of men over women, but even more, of Believers over Unbelievers or Infidels. Its model, Muhammad, was a warrior who preached that "war is deception," who tricked and took pride in tricking his trusting enemies, who ordered the assassination even of those who did nothing against him, including old men and women, who distributed booty from conquest, who oversaw approvingly the massacre of hundreds of helpless prisoners, who -- and all of the relevant quotations are available on-line at many websites -- married Aisha when she was six, and had intercourse with her when she was nine.

Does the sira of Muhammad, in Abdullah's eyes, given that Muhammad is a model for all men for all time, "tarnish the image of Muhammad"? What about the massacre of hundreds of children at Beslan -- or two dozen at Ma'alot in 1974? What about the decapitations, with Qur'anic justification, that we see all over Iraq? And the murders of Pim Fortuyn and now Theo van Gogh, with political figures being threatened by Muslims all over Europe -- even now, when the Muslims make up only 10-15% of the population in France, Holland, and elsewhere?

As it says in Luke: "If they do this when the wood is green, what will happen when the wood isdry?" If Muslims in Europe behave with the same violence and hatred, and threats even now --what will it be like, if their numbers continue to grow through overbreeding and Da'wa among the economically and psychically marginal, for the Infidel peoples, and civilisations, of Europe?

"Tarnish the image" -- a little matter, no doubt, of more Saudi money being spread around among ex-diplomats and government officials and all the willing hirelings to be found in the capitals of the West -- who unless exposed, ridiculed, and forced to disgorge their treasonous profits (and why not? Why not sue someone who, as a diplomat or C.I.A. agent, misinformed his country as part of an unstated deal, so that after retirement he could receive Saudi emoluments?).

But this time, one suspects, it will not work. Not for assorted Abdullahs and Fahds and Muhammads and Husseins and Fawzis, all over the place, nor for their handmaidens at Columbia and Georgetown and at the Quai d'Orsay, and the BBC, and RFI. It's just too late.

Posted by: Hugh at November 21, 2004 12:47 PM

“They will be defeated, no matter how long it takes,”

Now there is a roll-up-your-sleeves, let's-get-down-to-business proclamation. Kind of like saying "We will end the deficit, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES", or "We will crack down on city council cannibalism NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES"!

Makes me breathe a sigh of relief knowing the Saudis are on top of it.

Posted by: CornHolio at November 21, 2004 1:10 PM

Islam has always been tarnished since the cult was born. islam's origin is by the sword.

Posted by: Ummagumma at November 21, 2004 1:36 PM

Crown Prince Abdullah

Oh exalted member of the House of Saud. You sneaky, devious, backstabbing devil you coming out with more of your sly rhetoric for us uneducated infidels and unbelievers to swallow, no questions asked. You have made some statements which prove you have the audacity to think we would believe it. Had you been half as smart as you thought and realized the obviously ridiculous these lies are, you would have kept your mouth shut. Some of your statements and my interpretations;

“Now everybody looks at Muslims, Arabs, Saudis and others as criminals.”
Well now Prince Ol’ Buddy - - brilliant, you got that right.

“In fact, we have nothing to do with crimes.”
Oh, now you are trying to get one over on us. What you are doing all over the world is not a crime according to your cult and doctrine. We call it a crime of the worst kind, dummie.

“You know better who are behind them.”
Ah, you sly, devious devil. You are not man enough to stand up say what you mean? Are you trying to point fingers? Of course you are. The nerve you have - - trying to make us believe all the hostilities and conflicts you cause and support is perpetrated by Israel.

“What is happening in Iraq is not jihad. It’s chaos and confusion. Iraqis are killing Iraqis including women and children.”
Abdullah, now there you go coming out with one of your famous statements - - “not jihad.” Now Abdullah, whether you know it or not, that’s one of your biggest lies. You know very well out of sight behind closed doors, you have been preaching jihad with a vengeance. Do you realize the more statements you make, the more ignorant you appear? What caused all the chaos, confusion and killing? Figured it out yet Abdullah? Jihad you stupid fool - - JIHAD.

Jihad is allowed only with the permission of the ruler.”
Oh boy, now that is a real good one. You want us to believe that in your cult/doctrine there is only one ruler who can give permission for jihad. Who is all the clerics, mullahs, Arafats, OBLs..etc..running around crazy hollering “jihad” that you totally support behind closed doors? So, guess what? That makes you and all you support - criminals!!!
So now, Abdullah, when one gets to the bottom line your statements are nothing but lies. As more time passes, more and more of us infidels and non-believers will realize just how much of a devious criminal you truly are.

Posted by: THSIMJ at November 21, 2004 6:12 PM

The Saudi government treats women like manure and spreads totalitarian islam around the world and cuts off heads, the terrorists treats women like manure and spreads totalitarian islam around they world and cuts off heads with more media coverage...hmmm...they don't look to different to me.

Posted by: obl r us at November 21, 2004 6:49 PM

Crown Prince "Damn...I keep rubbing this totalitarian islamism and no matter how hard I rub it keeps looking like totalitarian islamism. Maybe if I click my blood stained scimitars 3 times together and think of mecca the fundi mullah of the east will make it look shinny....Follow the thoefascist road..lalala..."

Posted by: obl r us at November 21, 2004 6:55 PM

Crown Ponce Abdullah can say what he likes. Anyone with half a brain in their head knows that the poison that fueled the 19 Muslims, largely Saudi, who crashed passenger planes into buildings on 9/11 was the output of the Wahhabist and Salafist madrasahs that he and his kinfolk have supported with vast amounts of money. And that they gave this money, not with any concern about bettering the lives of their subjects and the greater Muslim community, but to further entrench their control.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 21, 2004 7:17 PM

Check out this blog from islam review:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/saveamerica.shtml

Posted by: Ummagumma at November 21, 2004 8:25 PM

And this blog:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/ifislam.shtml

It's already starting to happen in Canada. It's almost unstoppable because no-one is listening.
Not even our politicians...

Posted by: Ummagumma at November 21, 2004 8:44 PM

Actually terrorists haven't "tarnished" the image of Islam, they've instead educated the world as to the true nature of Islam. In a sick sort of way, they've done us a good service. Opened our eyes. Well, some of us at least. Many are still blind. Willfully shutting their eyes tightly while sticking their fingers deep into their ears, la la la la la, can't hear you! don't want to hear you! Islamophobes!

Before 9/11 we were ALL in the dark as to Islam - just another funny religion where people dressed weird and didn't eat pork, no big deal. And if they did get up to crazy terrorist attacks, we all believed they were just nutters, a minority. And the West let millions into their countries as "refugees" while under this delusion.

Now since terrorism has become a regular occurrence, we see the true image of Islam. It is by nature tarnished. And can never be anything but tarnished, rotten, dirty, degenerate, etc.

Posted by: feralee at November 21, 2004 9:24 PM

Abdullah

Once again I have read all the information on this site. I know you didn’t know it, but you have lost your Crown already. Man, that didn’t take long here. Come to think of it, you lost your Prince status also. Oh, I almost forgot - by the looks of things your image is terribly tarnished to the point of total ruin. So, what does that tell you? You and the “house of slobs” have been exposed as the true criminals you are. More and more people are seeing you for what you are. Hey, maybe it’s about time you start looking for a spider hole to hide in like one of your fellow criminals.
/Sarcastic Truth

Posted by: THSIMJ at November 21, 2004 11:43 PM

From the fruits you know the roots. A good tree will not give poisonous fruits. The question is Mr. prince Abdallah, are your Islamic terrorists following in the footsteps of your bandit caravan robber, chief beheader, child molester, rapist, the one that you call "was sent mercy for the worlds" Mohamed the slaughterer, and following your evil Koran teachings or not. The answer is Mr. prince of the desert bandits, YES, and that's what the world came to know, not about your terrorists but about your evil hateful demonic beliefs that you call a religion. If your religion is from God as you claim, so what's the devil's religion would look like.

People of the West ... wake up .. it's already late and the extent of the catastrophe of having hordes of Muslims that were allowed to come and be implanted in every Western country is such, that the leaders of our Western countries are at loss of what to do after chamberlainizing us for the last 30 years with the help of the history corrupters, the Espositos, the Bernard Lewises and all who benefited from their masters Bedouins petro dollars. Not knowing that Islam being true to itself and to its course will use them as Trojan horses to deceive their own people before sweeping them in the garbage of history, where they are now.

All of you people, who are blaming Islam, think again. Could you blame hyenas for being hyenas? So how can you blame a Muslim (and I'm not saying radical Muslim, which is another Western intelligentsia invention for whoever still believes them) for killing and slaughtering all of us if that's what he prays for day and night and that's what he is commanded to do in his "HOLY" Koran since his birth, proven by 1400 years of massacres and genocides. So who to blame then? Or in other words, who's the traitors that knew better and called themselves scholars and experts that sold you out and blinded you from seeing the catastrophe building up while they were promoting and elevating this evil cult to the academic level and greasing their bank accounts with the oily dollars. The common wisdom says, when there is a crime look who benefit from it. I'll let you answer that.

Posted by: believer2 at November 25, 2004 3:00 AM

From the fruits you know the roots. A good tree will not give poisonous fruits. The question is Mr. prince Abdallah, are your Islamic terrorists following in the footsteps of your bandit caravan robber, chief beheader, child molester, rapist, the one that you call "was sent mercy for the worlds" Mohamed the slaughterer, and following your evil Koran teachings or not. The answer is Mr. prince of the desert bandits, YES, and that's what the world came to know, not about your terrorists but about your evil hateful demonic beliefs that you call a religion. If your religion is from God as you claim, so what's the devil's religion would look like.

People of the West ... wake up .. it's already late and the extent of the catastrophe of having hordes of Muslims that were allowed to come and be implanted in every Western country is such, that the leaders of our Western countries are at loss of what to do after chamberlainizing us for the last 30 years with the help of the history corrupters, the Espositos, the Bernard Lewises and all who benefited from their masters Bedouins petro dollars. Not knowing that Islam being true to itself and to its course will use them as Trojan horses to deceive their own people before sweeping them in the garbage of history, where they are now.

All of you people, who are blaming Islam, think again. Could you blame hyenas for being hyenas? So how can you blame a Muslim (and I'm not saying radical Muslim, which is another Western intelligentsia invention for whoever still believes them) for killing and slaughtering all of us if that's what he prays for day and night and that's what he is commanded to do in his "HOLY" Koran since his birth, proven by 1400 years of massacres and genocides. So who to blame then? Or in other words, who's the traitors that knew better and called themselves scholars and experts that sold you out and blinded you from seeing the catastrophe building up while they were promoting and elevating this evil cult to the academic level and greasing their bank accounts with the oily dollars. The common wisdom says, when there is a crime look who benefit from it. I'll let you answer that.

Posted by: believer2 at November 25, 2004 3:05 AM

From the fruits you know the roots. A good tree will not give poisonous fruits. The question is Mr. prince Abdallah, are your Islamic terrorists following in the footsteps of your bandit caravan robber, chief beheader, child molester, rapist, the one that you call "was sent mercy for the worlds" Mohamed the slaughterer, and following your evil Koran teachings or not. The answer is Mr. prince of the desert bandits, YES, and that's what the world came to know, not about your terrorists but about your evil hateful demonic beliefs that you call a religion. If your religion is from God as you claim, so what's the devil's religion would look like.

People of the West ... wake up .. it's already late and the extent of the catastrophe of having hordes of Muslims that were allowed to come and be implanted in every Western country is such, that the leaders of our Western countries are at loss of what to do after chamberlainizing us for the last 30 years with the help of the history corrupters, the Espositos, the Bernard Lewises and all who benefited from their masters Bedouins petro dollars. Not knowing that Islam being true to itself and to its course will use them as Trojan horses to deceive their own people before sweeping them in the garbage of history, where they are now.

All of you people, who are blaming Islam, think again. Could you blame hyenas for being hyenas? So how can you blame a Muslim (and I'm not saying radical Muslim, which is another Western intelligentsia invention for whoever still believes them) for killing and slaughtering all of us if that's what he prays for day and night and that's what he is commanded to do in his "HOLY" Koran since his birth, proven by 1400 years of massacres and genocides. So who to blame then? Or in other words, who's the traitors that knew better and called themselves scholars and experts that sold you out and blinded you from seeing the catastrophe building up while they were promoting and elevating this evil cult to the academic level and greasing their bank accounts with the oily dollars. The common wisdom says, when there is a crime look who benefit from it. I'll let you answer that.

Posted by: believer2 at November 25, 2004 3:05 AM