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sonofwalker:

We can ask yahudimrevenge for authorization for you to contact him, but first we need you to contact SusanB with your e-mail address (susan_b356@yahoo.com).

CGW

Posted by: CGW at November 24, 2004 10:15 AM

November 24, 2004
Air Lines catch a pistol packing Granny 78 yrs old woman in Hollywood Fla. Had a gun in a book in luggage and said she forgot it was in their?? YEA RIGHT!! Aren’t there a lot of mussis in that area? Or was it there for self-defense OR???
So when you complain about the Old folks getting CK better THINK AGAIN??

Camden N.J. has the highest crime rate in the country?? Runner up is Detroit isn’t there a lot of mussis there??

Flue Vac. Smuggled to N.J. made in France then smuggled to Saudi Arabia then to N.J.???

Stand off in Calf? Stolen car man with a knife??

Terrorist slip into Spain from the sea?? Now things are changed??

Manila rice crop damaged? 65 dead and thousands homeless because of bad weather??

Queen of England makes new Terrorism Laws??

King and Queen of Spain meet with the President of the USA and the First Lady Bush!!

Iran wants to keep running their centrifuges how can this be they said this was not happen that we were wrong and now they said they shut them down and now they admit the are running but don’t want to shut them down ?? And the Circle of LIES goes on and on??

The Z monster complains about clerics and scholars not supporting him?? Guess he really is cut off and not keeping up on current events THE IRAQI PEOPLE WANT THEIR FREEDOM AND A BETTER LIFE !!

MPLS MONSTER WHO SHOT 8 UNARMED PEOPLE in Wis says he was picked on and they called him Raciest names? Seams he was a Truck Driver? In Calf. National Guard? Domestic violence call to his house in the past? REMEMBER JOHN MO-HAM-OD??

DO YOUR PART TO HELP!! GO TO THIS WEB SIGHT AND DONATE!! EVEN IF IT IS JUST A FRIENDLY NOTE!!
WWW. Americansupportsyou.mil
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”

This can be broken by Yes it is the Army of the people of the Book who he has chosen to Free [USA] the Iraqi people as it says

He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”

Yes he has chosen the USA!!

TO FREE THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM THE MONSTER saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD]

And let’s look at another part?

The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases,

Ubl,saddam,zawari,all who Kill and destroy mankind?

There will be no more warnings?
Earthquake in Iran kills 30,000 who harbors ubls son and wife’s??

And now Locus in Egypt

NOW IF THAT IS NOT TELLING YOU ARE ON THE WRONG PATH NOTHING WILL??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM] to Destory ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes t their Threat and give them Courage to Stand and Fight them Amen

Posted by: Catherine at November 24, 2004 11:28 AM

Yahudim~ Not sure people think it is a joke? so much as it would be extremely tough to do... I also see a potential problem there- once used on islam, it could be used on others, if the keithjoy crowd ever takes control again...

Posted by: Gary at November 24, 2004 11:31 AM

A very good assessment by someone who is in the know, about our Intelligence agencies and why they were:
Not on the ball.
On Bush's back.

http://techcentralstation.com/112404F.html

keithjoy, refute that.

Posted by: Gary at November 24, 2004 12:13 PM

Gary have you seen the new toy we have to control crowds can do some real harm to crowds and is directional??

not only can it make you throw up but other things WOW sicence is wonderful??

I can think of ways to deploy it but can't say or this will go into the missing File??

This is up to them how ugly this gets??

President Bush told Goss to hire more people today or yesterday!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destory ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

Posted by: Catherine at November 24, 2004 1:29 PM

Okay the Guy pleaded GUILTY!!

So if some lib Judge lets him out of Jail??

Things could get ugly??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM} to Destory ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

PS
Exploding cell phones??

Posted by: Catherine at November 24, 2004 1:36 PM

RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi woman is set to challenge religious conservatives by becoming the first female pilot in a country where women are not even allowed to drive.
Hanadi Hindi, who trained for a pilot's license in neighboring Jordan, has signed a contract with billionaire prince Alwaleed bin Talal's private airline, the prince said.

"Recruiting Captain Hindi as a pilot ... is a major step in the employment of women and in their more active participation in Saudi society," Prince Alwaleed said in a statement.

Hindi is due to start work by the middle of next year, after completing her training, in a move which directly challenges Saudi Arabia's ultra-conservative religious authorities.

Women in Saudi Arabia are prohibited from driving, mixing with men and traveling inside or outside the country without a male escort. They are obliged to cover from head to toe in an abaya, a concealing black cloak.

Posted by: Cid Campeador at November 24, 2004 2:01 PM

Cid
Could be some hankie pankie there??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destory ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen

PS
Okay thats what one woman?

PSS

www.americasupportsyou.mil

Posted by: Catherine at November 24, 2004 2:08 PM

The idea behind sending this piece of news is thta of showing how ridiculous it is that women are not allowed to drive a car but, yes, piloting a plane is ok. This is the result of the inconguous laws governing Muhammad's realm, is it not?

Posted by: Cid Campeador at November 24, 2004 2:15 PM

looks like nasseem has shot her self in the foot

Posted by: hawkwind at November 24, 2004 2:27 PM

I see Im getting to you Spencer. I find your answer to my rebuttal mind numbing. Is that seriously the best you can do? You are against a corner and all you can do is introduce more contradictions which in part go against you.

My dear Qasim,

You say: "Well you claim that you are not an anti muslim but if one reads your writings and reads between the lines they’ll know exactly where you stand."

"Reads between the lines," indeed, because if you read what's actually there, you won't find what you're looking for. Look out when you're reading between the lines that you don't read your own imaginings instead of what I actually say.

Really? I find it amazing that for a self proclaimed scholar you never introduced any verses from the Quran that CONTRADICTS terrorism (and dont say there aren't any) You constantly tell lies (like this article) and write books such as "A Catholics guide to Islam"??? So let me get this straight you are warning Catholics about being aware of their neighbors and all Muslims (inciting hatred). If this isnt anti islamic then what is it?

You say: "First of all you do know that Rape is considered the worst crime under Muslim law and is punishable by death?"

Yes, but it all depends on the circumstances, doesn't it? Unfortunately, there are many things considered rape in the West that are not considered under Islamic law.

Really? Lets go over some ground rules. Under Islamic law: A woman must leave her house with her scarf, must be accompanied by a male to protect her, and a man must avoid all women exceot for those whom he's married with. Circustaces?? 4 witnesses (2 women equal to 1) if convicted (using todays forensic sciene and technology) man gets head chopped off. THIS IS AIR TIGHT.

To wit:

You say: "Now when these women are captured the general gave them amongst his army. The soldiers can either use them as servants or make them their secondary wife."

Sure, but does anyone ask her what she thinks about it? No. She is treated as chattel. It doesn't matter if she consents or not; her acquiescence is forced. You know what that is? Rape.

WOW let me get this straight. You want prisoners to announce how they are going to receive treatment? In 600AD?!?!?! You must be high. Ok moron listen real close. The only thing you can bring to defend yourself is “FORCE”. Now lets start from scratch. 1st did you happen to miss everything I said about how they prisoners are supposed to be treated?? Reread that. So after this is done there is a slim chance that you have any prisoners left. Now again these women are prisoners. Do you ask a prisoner how they are going to be punished? She is considered the man’s wife and if she cant live with him or doesn’t want him in bed then she has the full right to do so. This is MARRIAGE LAW and is completely irrelevant to our discussion. SHE IS NOT FORCED TO HAVE SEX WITH THE MAN IF SHE DOESN’T WANT TO.

To use the Quran to slap your face read this verse

If a woman feareth ill treatment from her husband, or desertion, it is no sin for them twain if they make terms of peace between themselves. Peace is better. But greed hath been made present in the minds (of men). If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Informed of what ye do.

Now she A WIFE!! She receives all the rights of a wife!!!

Another verse

And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens; and Allah knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other; so marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

This clearly addresses how a slave is to be treated. Any questions? It says no fornification!

You say: "NOW THIS IS WHERE I GET MAD 'Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves.' (Sura 4:23-24) You are the biggest fraud I have ever seen in my life. THIS VERSE IS REFERRING TO MARRIAGE!!!!!!!! How can you lie like this? Now where is the rape? You haven’t proved anything to me yet.'"

Where is the lie? You haven't proved anything to me yet. "Forbidden to you are married women, except those whom you own as slaves." So if you own a married woman, you can "marry" her. Again, she is forced to go along. What do you call that? Rape.

Ok genius let me walk you through this. A captive woman's marriage is annulled because she is never going to see her husband and family again! So now what do you do with these poor women? Again I repeat that there are rules for getting prisoners but regardless you cant free pisoners in the 600 AD just out of goodwill. Wars were fought by hand and you didnt release a throng of prisoners into enemy hands.

Ok moron read this verse carefully!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;- YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

MARRIAGE AND INCEST ARE POLAR OPPOSITES!!!!! IT SAYS MARRIAGE. Force is illegal!!! What is your problem!!!

You say: "The infamous Banu massacre. You people just love to exploit this. Let me tell you what happened. This tribe had betrayed the prophet long before. The 1st time they did it he forced them into exile. The second time they did this, instead of accepting his punishment, they wanted to be judged by Jewish law. They went to a Jewish judge who gave the order that all the men be beheaded and the women and kids forced into slavery."

This is false. Muhammad entrusted the judgment to Sa‘d ibn Mu’adh, who was not a "Jewish judge," nor a convert from Judaism. He was a Muslim, a convert from Arabian paganism. In his judgment neither he nor anyone else made any reference to Jewish law. The long-standing idea among Muslims that this massacre was a result of Jewish law is just an early example of the tendency some Muslims have to blame everything (even a massacre of a Jewish tribe) on the Jews).

Where did you get this one? Rushdie?? read ANY Islamic source and it clearly states that the jews demanded their testimony be heard by a jew, BUT unfortunately for them he had converted to ISLAM!!! Blaming Jews?? No one blames them for this (except you)

You say: "Why don’t you tell them that Rayhana was freed by him and then married by the noble prophet."

Gee, that makes it all OK.

Actually it really does because he did not have intercourse with a woman he was not married with. Gee wasn't that what you were trying to say?

You say: "He says you cant to AZL (which means to pull our penis out of a woman’s vagina before ejaculation) but says you can rape them!!!!!!!!!!! DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE WHAT SO EVER? Please tell me what the hell this is supposed to mean?"

OK. Muhammad said, don't bother to perform coitus interruptus when you have sex with them. Other ahadith have him explaining that the souls that are to be born will be born -- i.e., it is useless to contracept because Allah wills all conceptions and births. So in other words, he is telling them to sleep with their captives and not to worry. What is so hard to understand about that?

WOW and I thought Kerry was a flip flopper!! Did you EVEN CARE TO MENTION THEM IS THAT BULLSHIT ARTICLE?? Completely contradicts what you were crying about. You must really be dumb. No I dont get this. He says dont have sex with them for kids but have sex just for the hell of it? And what about the premarital sex?? 80 strips on the back? This really fucks up what you are saying. And genius tell me this If kids are going to be born without sex then why does god tell them to procreate?? Make sense?? NO

"You are a fraud and a Hypocrite. You know nothing of Islam."

Prove it. Find one thing I have said about Islam that is false. You certainly haven't done that in this message.

WOW man I think you are really buying your shit. EVERYTHING you say revolves around a lie and expolitation. I have dont suffice for this article.

You say: "There is only one person who benefited from the event on 911 and that was you. That gave you an excuse to write your books degrading Islam and making your millions."

If defending equality of human rights for all against jihad terrorism is "degrading Islam," then maybe you should look harder at your Islam. As for the millions, I don't have them. You exaggerate my success. In fact I have not benefited from 9/11, and lost a great deal that is irrecoverable on that day.

Haha nice try. BOTTOM LINE: 911 gave you a job. END DISCUSSION.

You say: "Who else benefited from the horrible events? Not the terrorists because they’re getting their asses killed. Not us Muslims who have to defend our faith on every turn from frauds like you. Only you."

Go ahead and defend it. I'd like to see that. Mostly what I get from Muslim spokesmen (including you) is insults, not substantive discussion.

Do you actually think you are good? Who have you deabted and won against? Face someone good instead of your regular cronies.

Face

Zair Naik
Yusuf Estes
Shabir Ally

Or anyone else for that matter. Your argument surrounds Jihad.

Well now lets conclude this transmission

You said the rape of the Sudanese and Russian kids were Islamic. Answer this

1) Were these women taken as prisoners in war?

No they were targetted

2) Were they married to the soldiers?

No they were raped

3) Did they receive the full rights of a married woman?

No

4) If taken prisoners were they traded for other prisoners or paid to be realeased?

No

You are a fraud and a Hypocite. This response proves it to me. I will haunt you until the end of time. Im here on this site just to answer you so the rest of you dont waste your breath. Your shit doesn't mean shit to me and if you dont like it you can kiss my brown ass. You are on the run Spencer. I feel it. You can fool these mindless zombies but I will face you. I am gonna aggrivate you until you snap. THIS IS A PROMISE.

The rest of the people on this site dont mean shit to me. Im here for Spencer. Dont ask me to reply and dont bother responding to what I write. Im going to prove the fraud which is Spencer to all of you mindless zombies who worship him like a God.

Posted by: QASIM at November 24, 2004 3:05 PM

*Yyyaaaaaaawwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..... *stretch**

So! Anything new here since hawkwind?

Posted by: Gary at November 24, 2004 3:12 PM

*looks around*
Oh! Quasi.

Interesting. You are saying these things only apply to events from 600AD? (interesting how you acknowledge the 'AD' part when you don't even Believe in the reasons for it).

Does that not mean that the koran is now:
irrelevant?
out of date?
meaningless?
invalid?

I like this one:

This clearly addresses how a slave is to be treated. Any questions?

Yes! Are you talking about keeping slaves then, or keeping slaves now?
And what gives a muslim the Right to keep slaves?
Especially if the koran is no longer valid, since as you Yourself say, this was written over things that happened in 600AD?

Eh. Going to let the big guns tear you to little shreds, I have cooking to do. You won't be here many more days.

Posted by: Gary at November 24, 2004 3:32 PM

My dear Qasim,

You say: "Really? I find it amazing that for a self proclaimed scholar you never introduced any verses from the Quran that CONTRADICTS terrorism (and dont say there aren't any)"

I suggest you read my book "Onward Muslim Soldiers," in which I discuss all that the Qur'an says about jihad -- in particular the three stages of the revelation of jihad doctrine, which you will also find in this article, written by a Muslim: http://www.islamworld.net/jihad.html

You say: "You constantly tell lies (like this article) and write books such as "A Catholics guide to Islam"??? So let me get this straight you are warning Catholics about being aware of their neighbors and all Muslims (inciting hatred). If this isnt anti islamic then what is it?"

Find a quote from me that actually does what you claim, and then we'll talk.

You say: "Really? Lets go over some ground rules. Under Islamic law: A woman must leave her house with her scarf, must be accompanied by a male to protect her, and a man must avoid all women exceot for those whom he's married with. Circustaces?? 4 witnesses (2 women equal to 1) if convicted (using todays forensic sciene and technology) man gets head chopped off. THIS IS AIR TIGHT."

Right. I have outlined all this many times. And it outrages the God-given rights and dignity of women. Why must women be treated like children in Islam? You are condemned out of your own mouth.

You say "WOW let me get this straight. You want prisoners to announce how they are going to receive treatment? In 600AD?!?!?! You must be high. Ok moron listen real close. The only thing you can bring to defend yourself is “FORCE”. Now lets start from scratch. 1st did you happen to miss everything I said about how they prisoners are supposed to be treated?? Reread that. So after this is done there is a slim chance that you have any prisoners left. Now again these women are prisoners. Do you ask a prisoner how they are going to be punished? She is considered the man’s wife and if she cant live with him or doesn’t want him in bed then she has the full right to do so. This is MARRIAGE LAW and is completely irrelevant to our discussion. SHE IS NOT FORCED TO HAVE SEX WITH THE MAN IF SHE DOESN’T WANT TO."

Ridiculous. If she is made his wife, she cannot refuse him sex. That too is Islamic law, as I am sure you are well aware.

You say: "To use the Quran to slap your face read this verse If a woman feareth ill treatment from her husband, or desertion, it is no sin for them twain if they make terms of peace between themselves. Peace is better. But greed hath been made present in the minds (of men). If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Informed of what ye do. Now she A WIFE!! She receives all the rights of a wife!!!"

Terrific. "It is obligatory for a woman to let her husband have sex with her immediately when: a) he asks her; b) at home; c) she can physically endure it." (Umdat al-Salik, m5.1.) This is a Shafi'i legal manual that carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar.

You say: "This clearly addresses how a slave is to be treated. Any questions? It says no fornification!"

Right. No "fornification." Marry her first: then she can't refuse.

You say: "Ok genius let me walk you through this. A captive woman's marriage is annulled because she is never going to see her husband and family again! So now what do you do with these poor women?"

Forcibly marry them to the killers of their husbands and then rape them, evidently.

You say: "MARRIAGE AND INCEST ARE POLAR OPPOSITES!!!!! IT SAYS MARRIAGE. Force is illegal!!! What is your problem!!!"

Force is illegal, but it is illegal for a woman to refuse. Got it.

You say: "Where did you get this one? Rushdie?? read ANY Islamic source and it clearly states that the jews demanded their testimony be heard by a jew, BUT unfortunately for them he had converted to ISLAM!!! Blaming Jews?? No one blames them for this (except you)"

I got it from the Sira of Ibn Ishaq via Ibn Hisham, Muhammad's earliest biographer. I suppose Ibn Ishaq wasn't a Muslim?

You say: "Actually it really does because he did not have intercourse with a woman he was not married with. Gee wasn't that what you were trying to say?"

Actually, no. I am not concerned that they were married. I am concerned that the woman was treated like chattel and forced into all the situations after the battle.

You say: "WOW and I thought Kerry was a flip flopper!! Did you EVEN CARE TO MENTION THEM IS THAT BULLSHIT ARTICLE?? Completely contradicts what you were crying about. You must really be dumb. No I dont get this. He says dont have sex with them for kids but have sex just for the hell of it? And what about the premarital sex?? 80 strips on the back? This really fucks up what you are saying. And genius tell me this If kids are going to be born without sex then why does god tell them to procreate?? Make sense?? NO"

You should read the ahadith on this. It is clear they had sex with them. Here is one:

"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born." (Sahih Muslim 8:3371).

Muhammad says it doesn't matter if you don't observe 'azl, because everyone soul that is to be born will be born. In other words, have sex with them and it doesn't matter if children are conceived. And this is from Imam Muslim, a respected collector of authentic ahadith. You don't even know your own Islamic traditions, which make it clear that Muhammad didn't mind if they had sex with the captives (and notice: there is no mention of consent from the captives, or of marriage) and then you come here and call me names.

You say: "WOW man I think you are really buying your shit. EVERYTHING you say revolves around a lie and expolitation. I have dont suffice for this article."

You haven't even shown that you know your own Islamic sources.

You say: "Haha nice try. BOTTOM LINE: 911 gave you a job. END DISCUSSION."

I had a job already, thanks.

You say: "Do you actually think you are good? Who have you deabted and won against? Face someone good instead of your regular cronies.

Face

Zair Naik
Yusuf Estes
Shabir Ally"

I'd be glad to debate them or anyone. Send them to me at director@jihadwatch.org and we will set it up.

You say: "You said the rape of the Sudanese and Russian kids were Islamic. Answer this 1) Were these women taken as prisoners in war? No they were targetted 2) Were they married to the soldiers? No they were raped 3) Did they receive the full rights of a married woman? No 4) If taken prisoners were they traded for other prisoners or paid to be realeased? No"

Your answer to #1 is wrong. As for the others, I suggest you read more about Muhammad's battles. Read from Muslim sources -- that would be fine. Ibn Ishaq is a good place to start.

You say: "You are a fraud and a Hypocite. This response proves it to me. I will haunt you until the end of time. Im here on this site just to answer you so the rest of you dont waste your breath. Your shit doesn't mean shit to me and if you dont like it you can kiss my brown ass. You are on the run Spencer. I feel it. You can fool these mindless zombies but I will face you. I am gonna aggrivate you until you snap. THIS IS A PROMISE."

Go for it. Bring it on.

You say: "Im going to prove the fraud which is Spencer to all of you mindless zombies who worship him like a God"

Don't worship idols.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 24, 2004 3:33 PM

Oh wait! More material!

'Go ahead and defend it. I'd like to see that. Mostly what I get from Muslim spokesmen (including you) is insults, not substantive discussion.'

Mr. Spencer is a muslim spokesman? That's new. But I am pleased to see you admit that they hurl insults rather than engage in substantive discussion....

come to think of it, much like you.

Sorry, Mr. Spencer. Just woke up from a headache, only to find another one here...

Posted by: Gary at November 24, 2004 3:36 PM

Gary, I know it is getting a bit confusing. In that sentence Qasim was quoting an earlier message I had written to him.

Best
RS

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 24, 2004 3:45 PM

'"Im going to prove the fraud which is Spencer to all of you mindless zombies who worship him like a God" '~ quasi

I just realized how Much that sounds like keithjoy, ranting about anyone further right than Chomsky, Daschle or Rather. And about as effective... which is to say, NOT.

Ok, stopping now. That's my quota for today.

btw, quasi means 'false' if I remember correctly. Nice choice of handles.

Posted by: Gary at November 24, 2004 3:46 PM

Qasim said "I see Im getting to you Spencer. I find your answer to my rebuttal mind numbing. Is that seriously the best you can do? You are against a corner and all you can do is introduce more contradictions which in part go against you."

Hmmmm.... who is getting to whom Qasim?

"Your grandchildren will be debaters against Islam and Mohamed"

Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt) at November 24, 2004 3:49 PM

MARRIAGE AND INCEST ARE POLAR OPPOSITES!!!!! IT SAYS MARRIAGE. Force is illegal!!! What is your problem!!!

Posted by: QASIM at November 24, 2004 03:05 PM

FROM YOUR BOOK??

Qur’an 70:28 “Preserve their chastity except with their wives and the slave girls they possess—for which there is no blame.”

WE CALL THIS TODAY RAPE AND THE WORLD SAYS SLAVES NOT OKAY
BUT ARABS HAVE SLAVES??

Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah, and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”

NOW THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD BUT WITH A RAPIST

Qur’an 64:14 “Believers, truly, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you: so beware of them! ... Your wealth and your children are only a trial.”

SO YOU HATE YOUR OWN CHILDREN AND WIFES??

Tabari VIII:38 “The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism.”

AGAIN OKAY FOR HIM??

Ishaq:517 “When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people.”

RAPE

Tabari IX:126 “The Messenger of Allah married fifteen women. He combined eleven at a time and left behind nine.”
Ishaq:311 “The Apostle saw Ummu’l when she was a baby crawling before his feet and said, ‘If she grows up, I will marry her.’ But he died before he was able to do so.”

HIS IDEA OF GROWN UP WAS 8 YRS OLD??

Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.”

OR MAYBE 6 YRS OLD??

Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha she very young and not yet ready for consummation.”

YEA 6 IS YOUNG??

Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”

OH! MY! A BABY RAPEIST??

Tabari IX:134 “Muhammad took Zaynab [his daughter-in-law] but Allah did not find any fault in the [incestuous] relationship and ordered the marriage.”

NO IT WAS MO-HAM-OD WHO SAW NOTHING BUT HIS LUST!!!

Tabari IX:137 “Allah granted Rayhanah of the [Jewish] Qurayza to His Messenger as booty [but only after she had been forced to watch him decapitate her father and brother, seen her mother hauled off to be raped, and her sisters sold into slavery].”

WOW NOT A NICE GUY?? AND THIS IS WHO YOU WORSHIP??

Tabari IX:138 “The Prophet married Aliyyah, a Bakr woman. He gave her gifts for divorce and left her. He also married Qutaylah, but he died before he could consummate the marriage.”

NOW THAT WAS A LUCKY WOMAN??

Tabari IX:139 “Layla approached the Prophet while his back was to the sun and clapped him on his shoulder. He asked her who it was and she replied, ‘I am the daughter of one who competes with the wind. I am Layla. I have come to offer myself to you.’ He replied, ‘I accept.’” [Layla shared her story with her parents.] “They said, ‘What a bad thing you have done! You are a self-respecting girl, but the Prophet is a womanizer.’”

NOW THAT SPEAKS LOUD AND CLEAR!!

Bukhari:V4B52N211 “I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, ‘Apostle, I am a bridegroom.’ He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, ‘A matron.’ He said, ‘Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.’ ‘Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.’”

NOT AS YOUNG AS THEM??

Bukhari:V9B86N98 “The Prophet said, ‘A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.’ ‘O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent?’ He said, ‘By remaining silent.’”

BETER NOT BE SHY??

Tabari VIII:1 “In this year the Messenger married Zaynab bt. Jahsh [a first cousin: Allah’s Messenger came to the house of Zayd bin [son of] Muhammad. Perhaps the Messenger missed him at that moment. Zaynab, Zayd’s wife, rose to meet him. She was dressed only in a shift…. She jumped up eagerly and excited the admiration of Allah’s Messenger, so that he turned away murmuring something that could scarcely be understood. However, he did say overtly, ‘Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn!’ So Zayd went to Muhammad. ‘Prophet, I have heard that you came to my house. Why didn’t you go in? [Dad,] Perhaps Zaynab has excited your admiration, so I will leave her.’”

YOU DENI YOUR OWN BOOK??

Tabari VIII:4 “One day Muhammad went out looking for Zayd. Now there was a covering of haircloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet. After that Allah made her unattractive to Zayd.’”

Tabari VIII:3 “Zayd left her, and she became free. While the Messenger of Allah was talking with Aisha, a fainting overcame him. When he was released from it, he smiled and said, ‘Who will go to Zaynab to tell her the good news? Allah has married her to me.’ Then the Prophet recited [Qur’an 33] to the end of the passage. Aisha said, ‘I became very uneasy because of what we heard about her beauty and another thing, the loftiest of matters, what Allah had done for her by personally giving her to him in marriage. I said that she would boast of it over us.’”

SO YOUR GUY YOU WORSHIP WAS JUST A WAR MONGER WHO WAS A HORNDOG!!

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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Defeat All Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

Posted by: Catherine at November 24, 2004 3:58 PM

Say, is Qasim related to Qasey Qasim? How sad it will be for Mr. Spencer to be haunted by a self-important jackass counting down (voice=Casey.Kasem) this week's Top Ten Muslim talking points, hoping that we don't know what Islamic sources say.

About his endless point that there is violence in the Jewish and Christian Bibles: I have many, many times at this site reiterated what I think is a very important point: Christianity has the New Testament reinterpretation of the Hebrew Bible and the Jews have the Talmudic reinterpretation of the Mosaic law. For example, Christians and Jews have different reasons for not stoning adulteresses, but both groups believe the time has past for that particular Levitical law.

Qasim, your children will be fry cooks at the Mecca McDonalds.

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney at November 24, 2004 4:06 PM

Mr. Spencer:

How long are you going to keep this up? BTW, we DO hold you in inestimable regard, and precisely because we are not novices in this subject area (islam in general and the islamic Threat in particular), we are able to recognize your indispensability to our Cause. But I hate to see you wasting your valuable time engaging this moron. We all recognize his arguments as the same old tired tripe trotted out by all the other short-term muslim defenders that try (albeit unsuccessfully) to take us on. His arguments don't even make sense, and he seems incapable (as do most muslims who try to engage us here, as critical-thinking skills, due to the mind-numbing influence of islamic "thought", if it can be called such, are not their strong suit) of following the guidelines of logical discussion. As many muslims wind up doing here (although usually AFTER all the da'wa attempts have proven futile in the extreme) he even resorts to threats. You are lowering yourself to a level too far beneath you to even warrant your continued attention.

Besides, it's boring. :-)

CGW

Posted by: CGW at November 24, 2004 5:30 PM

I agree with CGW, besides he even skipped the first step where he pretends to be the docile peace loving muslim who just wants to share the wisdom of islam with those of us not fortunate to know the joys of being a muslim and went straight to the bloodthirsty threats. Perhaps tracing the IP would be helpful, a threat is a threat and as Mr. Van Gough taught us, we can never be too careful when dealing with those that are seeking their promised romp through paradise with little boys and virgins.

Posted by: USAgirl at November 24, 2004 5:45 PM

'I guarantee Im going to be labeled a terrorist be some Yahoo on this site ' ~ qasim

You know, the Only person to use the word so far is You. And I suspect it will remain that way. Is there something about yourself we should know?
And until keith arrives, no yahoos have been here, either.

Posted by: Gary at November 24, 2004 6:00 PM

Now you are talking. Keep talking. Qasim, all we want for the Entire world is for everyone to live as they see fit (even if some of them see fit to live like total slobs. No one here, mind...)

There has to be a Middle ground. You have to admit the guys attacking the West (whether we agree on the reasons for it or not), are going to make it difficult for you as well as us.

Posted by: Gary at November 24, 2004 7:45 PM

yahudimrevenge -

Legally challenging Islam may be difficult - but it is necessary. From what I've been reading (on blogs) the ACLU will not address our concerns.
The ACLU may however, have very aggressive competition. . .ACLJ
http://www.aclj.org/
I'm not familiar with this organization but the ACLJ was recommended as a potential ally on another blog.

Gary mentioned-

"I also see a potential problem there- once used on islam, it could be used on others"

I disagree because Islam is a theocracy unlike the "others". Perhaps this is the loophole that will protect American Judeo Christian values while allowing the courts to challenge Islam as a political threat to our democractic freedoms and sovreign constitution.

http://www.aclj.org/

Posted by: justamomof4 at November 24, 2004 8:25 PM

"Islam is the most stupid of all religions" This quote from the French author Michel Houellebecq in an interview published in Lire magazine, earned him a legal challenge from three Islamic Organizations. In what was in effect a trial for blasphemy,Houellebecq was charged with provoking racial hatred. He famously won the case and the global caliphate suffered a minor setback as the judge maintained that Islamophobia is not racism.

Google 'Houellebecq Islam' and you will find far more details on the trial. This case showed that if muslims accuse non muslims of racism every time they feel 'outrage' (One the 5 major pillars of islamic emotions along with 'jealously', 'anger', 'hatred' and 'frustration'), the lawyers will have no trouble proving in favour of the infidels. (Yes even in Francarabia)

Islamophobia is not racism, it is an perfectly understandable reaction of the human instinct of survival.

Posted by: LeftBank at November 25, 2004 4:58 AM