I can`t help thinking that if a movement like this could ever take hold, it would certainly help to reduce the terrorism in the world. It needs to be directed at those teaching hate in the madrassis as well,and against all Islamic clerics who are calling for Fatwas` around the world. For way to long Islamic religious leaders have been openly calling for the murder of Christians,Jews, and all westerners without any impunity or accountability.

Posted by: Mackie at November 30, 2004 8:38 AM

This petition is a follow up to the recently adopted UN Resolution 1566 that reads in part:

Do you think they are running scared??

the UN= LONs is makeing new paper work??

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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her gibve them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destory ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen

http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6941047
U.S. General Warns Iran Against Exploiting U.S.
Mon Nov 29, 2004 07:20 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. commander in Iraq warned Iran and others in comments published on Monday to think twice before trying to take advantage of the U.S. military at a time when it is fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
"Why the Iranians would want to move against us in an overt manner that would cause us to use our air or naval power against them would be beyond me," Army Gen. John Abizaid, head of U.S. Central Command, said in an interview with USA Today.
Abizaid, who was speaking in Qatar, was asked about concerns in Congress that a shortage of U.S. troops might tempt nations such as Iran or North Korea, both accused by Washington of trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Abizaid, the top U.S. military commander for Iraq and Afghanistan, said the armed forces were not overextended.
The United States has 138,000 troops in Iraq and more than 18,000 in Afghanistan, with others deployed in Kuwait, Japan, Germany, Africa, South Korea and Bosnia.
"We can generate more military power per square inch than anybody else on Earth, and everybody knows it," Abizaid said. "If you ever even contemplate our nuclear capability, it should give everybody the clear understanding that there is no power that can match the United States militarily."
Washington and some Iraqi officials have accused Iran of supplying Iraqi insurgents with money, arms and militants, but on Sunday Tehran said it was ready to co-operate with Iraq to stop militants crossing their mountainous 1,000-mile border.
"We have no intention of interfering in Iraq's state matters. Iraq's stability is necessary for Iran's security," Iran's deputy interior minister for security affairs, Ali Asghar Ahmadi, said in Tehran.
He told a news conference Iran was ready to help train Iraqi security forces.

NOW I WOULD SAY THIS IS WHAT AL-JEZZI BROUGHT OLD FOOTAGE FOR CAUSE WE AINT PLAYING THE DIMMI ANY MORE...

WE IS WISE TO ALL OF YOUR LIES!!!

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Posted by: Catherine at November 30, 2004 9:33 AM

An easy way to cure islam: leave it.
-Havoc

Bravo. And its also a humanitarian approach to this menace.

Posted by: voletti at November 30, 2004 9:57 AM

Is anyone taking bets on how many (or how few) signatures will be on the petition?

Posted by: johnb at November 30, 2004 10:08 AM

Proceed with extreme caution, if you must proceed at all, with this group, Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism.

When they first appeared, I thought they looked good, but I wanted to see how they carried themselves over the long haul. They did well until 5 November when the founder published an absolutely obscene statement on the group website.

We blogged about this egregious statement (http://www.blogger.com/app/post.pyra?blogID=7552242&postID=109995966003266913; "An Example of Why I Cannot Trust "Moderate" Muslims"). We invite you to read what we said based on what Kemal Nawash said about Arafat, the Palestinians, and Israel.

Nawash changed my entire view of his organization. As they say, they practice taqiyya. As we say, they are wolves in sheeps' clothing.

I am not aware of any retraction of Nawash's abominable article to date.

Do not take them at face value.

Posted by: George Mason at November 30, 2004 10:19 AM

All people are invited to sign this petition by sending your name, profession, country of residence and nationality to Jmhashim@hotmail.com and cc: President@freemuslims.org.
sorry guys,I rather not disclose the above details,to any-body that has the slightest connection to any arabic or islamic organization,and being endorsed by UN//////sorry for my mistrust.

Posted by: shiva at November 30, 2004 10:25 AM

You can contact the Petitions Team at the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights directly at:
tb-petitions@ohchr.org
You may want to reference Res. 1566, or better yet, urge for the establishment of mechanisms to enforce Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which reads (verbatim):
Article 20
1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
Item 2 is what we are primarily concerned with here.
I wouldn't even bother contacting US officials on this matter, this is a matter that concerns UN jurisdiction, not US.

Posted by: Mike at November 30, 2004 10:47 AM

My apologies. The link I gave was not good. This one works: http://sixthcolumn.blogspot.com/2004/11/example-of-why-i-cannot-trust-moderate.html.

Posted by: George Mason at November 30, 2004 11:31 AM

REMEMBER Constantinople WAS THE CAPTIAL OF ROMAIN EMPIRE!!
http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm

One might think that three centuries of Christian defeats would have soured Europeans on the idea of Crusade. Not at all. In one sense, they had little alternative. Muslim kingdoms were becoming more, not less, powerful in the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries. The Ottoman Turks conquered not only their fellow Muslims, thus further unifying Islam, but also continued to press westward, capturing Constantinople and plunging deep into Europe itself. By the 15th century, the Crusades were no longer errands of mercy for a distant people but desperate attempts of one of the last remnants of Christendom to survive. Europeans began to ponder the real possibility that Islam would finally achieve its aim of conquering the entire Christian world. One of the great best-sellers of the time, Sebastian Brant’s The Ship of Fools, gave voice to this sentiment in a chapter titled "Of the Decline of the Faith":
Our faith was strong in th’ Orient,
It ruled in all of Asia,
In Moorish lands and Africa.
But now for us these lands are gone
’Twould even grieve the hardest stone....
Four sisters of our Church you find,
They’re of the patriarchic kind:
Constantinople, Alexandria,
Jerusalem, Antiochia.
But they’ve been forfeited and sacked
And soon the head will be attacked.
Of course, that is not what happened. But it very nearly did. In 1480, Sultan Mehmed II captured Otranto as a beachhead for his invasion of Italy. Rome was evacuated. Yet the sultan died shortly thereafter, and his plan died with him. In 1529, Suleiman the Magnificent laid siege to Vienna. If not for a run of freak rainstorms that delayed his progress and forced him to leave behind much of his artillery, it is virtually certain that the Turks would have taken the city. Germany, then, would have been at their mercy.
Yet, even while these close shaves were taking place, something else was brewing in Europe—something unprecedented in human history. The Renaissance, born from a strange mixture of Roman values, medieval piety, and a unique respect for commerce and entrepreneurialism, had led to other movements like humanism, the Scientific Revolution, and the Age of Exploration. Even while fighting for its life, Europe was preparing to expand on a global scale. The Protestant Reformation, which rejected the papacy and the doctrine of indulgence, made Crusades unthinkable for many Europeans, thus leaving the fighting to the Catholics. In 1571, a Holy League, which was itself a Crusade, defeated the Ottoman fleet at Lepanto. Yet military victories like that remained rare. The Muslim threat was neutralized economically. As Europe grew in wealth and power, the once awesome and sophisticated Turks began to seem backward and pathetic—no longer worth a Crusade. The "Sick Man of Europe" limped along until the 20th century, when he finally expired, leaving behind the present mess of the modern Middle East.
From the safe distance of many centuries, it is easy enough to scowl in disgust at the Crusades. Religion, after all, is nothing to fight wars over. But we should be mindful that our medieval ancestors would have been equally disgusted by our infinitely more destructive wars fought in the name of political ideologies. And yet, both the medieval and the modern soldier fight ultimately for their own world and all that makes it up. Both are willing to suffer enormous sacrifice, provided that it is in the service of something they hold dear, something greater than themselves. Whether we admire the Crusaders or not, it is a fact that the world we know today would not exist without their efforts. The ancient faith of Christianity, with its respect for women and antipathy toward slavery, not only survived but flourished. Without the Crusades, it might well have followed Zoroastrianism, another of Islam’s rivals, into extinction.
Thomas F. Madden is associate professor and chair of the Department of History at Saint Louis University. He is the author of numerous works, including A Concise History of the Crusades, and co-author, with Donald Queller, of The Fourth Crusade: The Conquest of Constantinople.
So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.
Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.
With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.
That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

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Posted by: Catherine at November 30, 2004 12:55 PM

Posted by: shiva at November 30, 2004 10:25 AM

Me neither!!

Seams that the Cuncks are not so crazy after all! Not many Protesters show for President Bush vist!!

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Posted by: Catherine at November 30, 2004 1:06 PM

Hate to sound pessimistic- thats kj's province, but... can we be sure they have given out the Entire wording of this petition? How can we know they haven't gotten a clause in there condemning Jewish / Christian religous leaders? Or wording to that effect.

Posted by: Gary at November 30, 2004 2:25 PM

Gary,

We don't. I for one will not sign this petition or give my name, profession, country of residence or my nationality.

To be honest? I do not trust them.

Posted by: Moe's Foe at November 30, 2004 2:44 PM

Gary, Moe's Foe:
Go to this UN site and there's a link to Res. 1566. It will send you to a 3 page PDF with the language of the resolution in it:

http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions04.html

I've provided an e-mail address above where you can contact the UN direct, as well as the language of Article 20 of the ICCPR, which is the existing ban on incitement.

Posted by: Mike at November 30, 2004 3:08 PM

Mike,

Thanks for the link. I appreciate it.

Posted by: Moe's Foe at November 30, 2004 3:11 PM

I have not forgotten koffi annan,s son
Naseem [Apasmara Purusha]
Have you choked on the apple yet

Posted by: shiva at November 30, 2004 4:01 PM

Gary:

That's not pessimism. You are expressing cynacism/realism.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 30, 2004 4:08 PM

As Catherine writes the Crusades were in response to islamic Ideology then as they will soon be now.

The U.N. States Navy was formed in 1775 to PROTECT FREE TRADE from the pirates of the Barbary Coast;

Right; you guessed that the Barbary Coast is found around Tripoli where lots of sea caves make good hiding spots.

Right again; you guessed that in fact they were muslims who demanded pay-offs for rights of passage and then they would pillage these and enslave the people for ransoms and bounties.

WHEN WILL ENOUGH BE ENOUGH already, I will not be signing this petition as in agreeance I do not trust any of these people who proclaim Islam a faith.I would like to know what these moderates have to say about some scriptures from the Koran in public; documented.

By the way; did you know there is no palestine?

Posted by: Chuck at November 30, 2004 4:34 PM

former liberal WF comments re. Artcile 20 of the ICCPR:

Although it sounds good in theory, once approved couldn't it also serve as another tool to beat back any condemnations of Islam?

I haven't seen that happen yet, but I have seen Muslim countries - most notably Sudan - use the freedom of religion clause in the ICCPR to defend what is permissable under shari'a law but not under international human rights laws (UDHR, ICCPR, CEDAW, etc.).

Posted by: Mike at November 30, 2004 4:59 PM

BTW, this gets particularly problematic when one considers things like genocide are not banned under shari'a.

Posted by: Mike at November 30, 2004 5:00 PM

Please go to Dhimmni Watch and read D.C.Watson's Open Letter to the leaders of all Islamic Organizations.

It's excellent.

Posted by: susan_b at November 30, 2004 5:05 PM

Seams that the Cuncks are not so crazy after all! Not many Protesters show for President Bush vist!!

posted by Catherine

This is one canuck that has better things to do than run around the world protesting against whatever the flavour of the month is. George W. can hang around here as long as he likes as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt) at November 30, 2004 5:23 PM

. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
Item 2 is what we are primarily concerned with here.
I wouldn't even bother contacting US officials on this matter, this is a matter that concerns UN jurisdiction, not US.

Posted by: Mike
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Oh you must be insane. I can see Pat Robertson, Jerry Followell and maybe Daniel Pearl, being hauled before a UN Tribunal and NO Muslim Cleric even being so much as condemned.

You really think the UN as it is constituted now would do anything with something like this besides twisting it to bash America?

I do not want the "UN" to any ANY "juresdiction" that prohibits freedom of thought and religion.

Besides Acts like the above are being used in the UK to suppress spreading the truth about Islam, NOT protecting us against fanatics.

Posted by: Dan Kauffman at November 30, 2004 7:06 PM

The U.N. decrees have as much weight as the U.S. military can affords to give them. Period.

Nothing any Islamic front wants is worth considering, since the document they base their belief on is anathema to these very same doctrines that they are herein trying to impose on their de facto enemies (infidels/dhimmi).

They can prate forever about 'restrainting hate', et al, but, until they expunge all of the vicious, hateful psychopathia sexualis from their root dogma in the Koran (and that'll happen when crows drop stones on the Coalition troops and destroy them in Iraq, ala the ludicrous occurence in the Qu'ran) this entire exercise is about as meaningful as Hitler's claim that, after the annexation of the Sudetanland and Austria "[he] had no more territorial demands".

That, and a billion Muslims, will get you a cup of coffee.

Posted by: profitsbeard at November 30, 2004 10:46 PM