And a very, Merry Christmas to you, Robert and Hugh. Also, to all the posters here and the members that just read the site.

And to all, have a New Years full of good fortune.

Posted by: susan_b at December 25, 2004 4:17 AM

Merry Christmas to Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitgerald, Susan_b, and everyone here at Jihadwatch and Dhimmiwatch whether they post or just read.

Merry Christmas one and all.

Posted by: Voltaire at December 25, 2004 4:20 AM

Merry Christmas!

Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 25, 2004 5:09 AM

A merry Christmas and happy New Year to all. Also, a blessed Sunday tomorrow, for we thus remember Jesus' resurrection and conquest of death 52 times per year.

Posted by: Kepha1 at December 25, 2004 5:19 AM

Merry X'mas and happy new year all!

Me, I got an announcement to make. AM going off to get married. 2-Jan's my D-day. Won't be posting for a while now. JW folks here, I feel like I forged some community bonding while here. Tks for everything and keep up the good fight.

Ciao.

Posted by: voletti at December 25, 2004 6:09 AM

Merry Xmas to all of you.
In The Netherlands, several public schools have announced they do refrain from celebrating Christmas because they do not want to offend the muslim parents.

What a shame. My happiest childhood memories include my father playing an old 78 record with Nymphs and Shepherds by Purcell, sung in 1929 in the Free Trade (!) Hall of Manchester by 250 children of Manchester Elementary schools (choir mistress: Gertrude Riall). Soooo sweet and beautiful, it stirs my soul everytime I listen to it (20 Old Gramophone recordings 1907-1935, Academy Sound and Vision Ltd, CD AJA 5112, 1993).

Voilà, what do the muslims have to offer in reverse? Ramadan to me seems a grotesque, unhealthy culture. What's the point of not drinking one drop of water the whole day for a school child who needs to take its medicine? (Story told by a friend of mine, who is a teacher.)
And every evening people stuff themselves with food, also eating too many sweets. I prefer Christmas because of the story, very appealing to children, and the music (Weihnachtsoriatorium! The Messiah!).

Posted by: Bernadette de Wit at December 25, 2004 6:15 AM

Merry Christmas to all. Thanks to Mr. Spencer for a great site.

Posted by: Moe's Foe at December 25, 2004 6:44 AM

Merry Christmas everyone!

All the best to Robert, Hugh and families; and all the posters here on Jihad Watch. (Even Naseem)

With love and regards!
Kc

Posted by: kc England at December 25, 2004 6:45 AM

Hello all,

For obvious reasons I don't celebrate christmas, but would like to offer my congratulations to all infedels on this day.

It is my hope that at least on this day there is no violence (although the 14 million turkeys slaughtered I'm sure wouldn't agree with that).

Wish you all a good & cheery day today.

Posted by: Naseem at December 25, 2004 7:24 AM

Naseem,

Thanks for the congratulations and I stand proud to be one of the "infedels".

I do not understand why Islam would not celebrate this day? After all, Muhammad and Muslims speak highly of Jesus, don't they?

Posted by: Moe's Foe at December 25, 2004 7:35 AM

Feliz Natal!

Posted by: alex221166 at December 25, 2004 8:17 AM

Dear Moe's Foe:
You're right that we Muslims should celebrate this day with more vigour given the standing of Jesus in Muslim narratives. That said I just thought I'd let you know that it is celebrated to a certain extent in some quarters of the Muslim world. For example, read my post about one of the events held here in Bahrain to commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ. And you should know that right now in Bahrain most of our supermarkets and shopping malls are decorated with Christmas trees, lights, santas etc. Our radio station has been playing Christmas songs all week. And just yesterday I saw a couple driving in thir car wearing santa hats with flashing lights!

Anyhows, a Merry Christmas to all of the "infidels" and non-infidels who are celebrating it! Best wishes from the jihadist isle of Bahrain.

Posted by: Chan'ad at December 25, 2004 9:12 AM

Merry Christmas to Robert, Hugh, and the rest of you who visit this site!

Posted by: Belisarius at December 25, 2004 9:29 AM

Merry Christmas to all here. And volettie, congratulations! May your marriage be blessed.

Posted by: libbysmom at December 25, 2004 9:35 AM

HOW EASY THE IRAQI'S FORGET HOW LIFE WAS UNDER SADDAM HUSSEIN.
by Dr. Jack Shepard__________________________________________________ _____________________________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_jack_shepard/
_________________________________________________Dr. Jack Shepard remembers consoling a father of one of the Children dying in Baghdad's Children's Hospital in March 2001; due to the lack of basic food supplements. by Dr. Jack Shepard Dr. Jack Shepard remebers consoling a father of one of the Children dying in Baghdad's Children's Hospital in March 2001; due to the lack of basic food supplements and adequate medicine, because Saddam Hussein choose to spend Billions of dollars of the Iraqi people money on himself. Dr. Shepard said presently the extremists in Iraq do not respect the uniqueness of each human as they were created by Allah. Dr. Shepard's repeats what the Prophet Mohammad said almost 1400 years ago, "this man will dwell in hell by his actions and this man will dwell in heaven by his." Basically what Dr. Shepard is saying that the teachings of Mohammad have been forgotten by the extremists and presently by their actions the extremists will be judged by the deeds and Allah will send them to dwell in Hell forever. The Prophet Mohammad teaching were based on submission to Allah; to do right and be granted eternal life. Dr. Shepard prayers for the day when the Iraqi people can get on with their lives. If the Iraqi People do not learn to respect each other and begin to speak out against the antisocial behavior and protest it the streets; the Iraqi people will never begin to be able to get on with their lives. To avert continued anarchy the mass of Iraqi People who really wish peace and happiness must speak out in the streets for peace, their silence to what is now happening only allows this twist and distorted situation where we find one Iraqi Brother killing another. This is only happening because many power-monger in the Iraqi population each wish to be an important power-mongers even if he has to kill his fellow Iraqi to establish their dominance as the new Iraqi leader. These people are truly people without a soul and do not fear Allah as the Prophet Mohammad taught. They are creating an environment for themselves where they will never see heaven. I and the world grow weary that this rebellious attitude has now become a fad. Presently in all truth many Iraqi's have become real mindless hypocrites by not stopping and protesting this new generation of power-mongers who are beginning to kill each other in ever greater numbers because they are set on ruling Iraq but reject the world trying to help their fellow Iraqi who are dying and starving because of their inhuman behavior. May Allah Bless Iraq and the Iraqi People with Peace and Happiness. This will only happen when the Average Iraqi man on the street cry out remember Allah you my brothers of Iraq. You must stop this evil behavior or you will dwell in the fires of Hell forever. Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace group www.shepardusgov.com, www.care2.com/c2c/group/People_for_Peace_Group Click on image for a larger version http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_jack_shepard/

Posted by: Dr. Jack Shepard at December 25, 2004 9:49 AM

Merry Xmas, Happy New Year etc, congrats to Voletti, have a great honey moon. Thanks to everyone for all the efforts

Posted by: meredith at December 25, 2004 10:02 AM

Merry Christmas to all of my fellow readers on this and other related sites. Every day, I look forward to spending time with all of you on JW/DW, to see what all of you are thinking and saying regarding the issues that Mr. Spencer and Mr. Fitzgerald bring to us.

***To all of the Muslim infidels and the left wing loons (only the ones who hate Jesus, or more so, the thought of having to spend money on Christmas gifts), I especially want to wish you a very Merry Christmas and to remind all of them that freedom is on the march all over the world, no matter what these idiot radical Islamist blasphemers think or what they keep trying to do.

Middle East societies have failed under shari'a, as most of their citizens (or unfortunately, peasants) live and starve in squalor. Those on this planet who are sane and decent have seen the barbaric mindset of those involved in shari'a, and know that it must be placed in the history books, under “The ways in which human beings must never behave”.

Muslim infidels, no true and just God advocates violence and the destruction of his own gift to all of us, which is human life itself.

Again, Merry Christmas.

Posted by: DCWatson at December 25, 2004 10:52 AM

Merry Christmas everyone.

Congratulations Voletti on getting married. Here's wishing you every happiness and a super honeymoon.

Posted by: Elephant at December 25, 2004 11:07 AM

Merry Christmas everyone!

Congratulations on your marriage Voletti.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 25, 2004 11:42 AM

Merry Christmas to all my freedom-loving fellow infidels!

Congratulations on your upcoming marriage, voletti! Enjoy your honeyman! We'll hold down the fort while you're having fun!

And to Robert and Hugh, THANKS for the truth you trumpet to keep us free!

Posted by: 3812Michelle at December 25, 2004 12:16 PM

Merry Christmas to all- Jihad Watch is indispensable in this day and age. Let us pray that all those defending us from the Islamofascists are themselves protected and guided.

And for your delectation this day:

A Christmas Hymn
by Richard Wilbur

"And some of the Pharisees from among
the multitude said unto him, Master,
rebuke thy disciples.
And he answered and said unto them,
I tell you that if these should hold their peace,
the stones would immediately cry out."
Luke 19:39-40

A stable lamp is lighted
Whose glow shall wake the sky;
And stars shall bend their voices,
And every stone shall cry.
And every stone shall cry,
And straw like gold shall shine;
A barn shall harbour heaven,
A stall become a shrine.

This child through David's city
Shall ride in triumph by;
The palm shall strew its branches,
And every stone shall cry.
And every stone shall cry,
Though heavy, dull and dumb,
And lie within the roadway
To pave his kingdom come.

Yet he shall be forsaken,
And yielded up to die;
The sky shall groan and darken,
And every stone shall cry.
And every stone shall cry,
For stony hearts of men:
God's blood upon the spearhead,
God's love refused again.

But now, as at the ending,
The low is lifted high;
The stars shall bend their voices,
And every stone shall cry.
And every stone shall cry,
In praises of the child
By whose descent among us
The worlds are reconciled.

Miasarx

Posted by: miasarx at December 25, 2004 12:47 PM

Congratulations Voletti!! Here's wishing a very

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all

- wherever you are!

1. Afrikaans - Geseende Kerfees en 'n gelukkigenuwe jaar
2. Bahasa/Malaysia - Selamat Hari Natal dan Tahun Baru
3. Albanian - Gëzuar Krishlindjet Vitin e Ri!
4. Arabic - I'D Miilad Said ous Sana Saida
5. Aramaic - Edo bri'cho o rish d'shato brich'to!
6. Armenian - Shenoraavor Nor Dari yev Soorp Janunt
7. Basque - Zorionak eta Urte Berri On!
8. Belorussian - Winshuyu sa Svyatkami i z Novym godam!
9. Bengali - Shuvo Baro Din - Shuvo Nabo Barsho
10. Bohemian/Czech - Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a Stastny novy rok
11. Bulgarian - Chestita Koleda i Shtastliva Nova Godina
12. Cantonese - Seng Dan Fai Lok, Sang Nian Fai Lok
13. Creole/Seychelles - Bonn e Erez Ane
14. Croatian - Sretan Bozic
15. Danish - Glædelig Jul og godt nytår
16. Dutch - Vrolijk Kerstfeest en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar!
17. Egyptian - Colo sana wintom tiebeen
18. Eritrean - Rehus-Beal-Ledeat
19. Estonian - Rõõmsaid Jõulupühi ja Head uut aastat
20. Farsi - Sal-e no mubarak
21. Fijian - Me Nomuni na marau ni siga ni sucu dei na yabaki vou
22. Finnish - Hyvää Joulua or Hauskaa Joulua - 0nnellista uutta vuotta
23. Flemish - Zalig Kerstfeest en Gelukkig nieuw jaar
24. French - Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année!
25. Georgian - Gilotsavt Krist'es Shobas & Gilosavt akhal ts'els
26. German - Fröhliche Weihnachten und ein glückliches Neues Jahr!
27. Greek - Kala Christougenna Ki'eftihismenos O Kenourios Chronos
28. Greenlandic - Juullimi Ukiortaassamilu Pilluarit
29. Hawaiian - Mele Kalikimaka & Hauoli Makahiki Hou
30. Hebrew - Mo'adim Lesimkha. Shanah Tova
31. Hindi - Shubh Naya Baras
32. Hmong - Nyob Zoo Xyoo Tahiab
33. Hungarian - Kellemes karácsonyi ünnepeket és Boldog újévet!
34. Icelandic - Gleðileg Jól og Farsaelt Komandi ár!
35. Indonesian - Selamat Hari Natal & Selamat Tahun Baru
36. Iraqi - Idah Saidan Wa Sanah Jadidah
37. Irish - Nollaig Shona Dhuit
38. Italian - Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo
39. Japanese - Shinnen omedeto. Kurisumasu Omedeto
40. Javanese - Sugeng Natal lan warsa enggal
41. Kashmiri - Christmas Id Mubarak
42. Korean Sung Tan Chuk Ha
43. Kurdish - Seva piroz sahibe u sersala te piroz be
44. Latin - Pax hominibus bonae voluntatis
45. Latvian - Prieci'gus Ziemsve'tkus un Laimi'gu Jauno Gadu!+
46. Lebanese - Milad Saeed wa Sanaa Mubarakah
47. Lithuanian - Linksmu Kaledu ir laimingu Nauju metu
48. Macedonian - Srekan Bozik I Nova Godina
49. Malayan - Selamat Hari Natal
50. Maltese - Nixtieqlek Milied Tajjeb u Sena Tajba
51. Mandarin - Kung His Hsin Nien bing Chu Shen Tan
52. Maori - Kia orana e kia manuia rava i teia Kiritimeti e te Mataiti Ou
53. Maya/Yucateco - Utzul mank'inal
54. Mongolian - Zul saryn bolon shine ony mend devshuulye
55. Nepali - krist Yesu Ko Shuva Janma Utsav Ko Upalaxhma Hardik Shuva & Naya Barsa Ko harkik Shuvakamana
56. Norweigan/Nynorsk - Eg ynskjer hermed Dykk alle ein God Jul og Godt Nyttår
57. Norweigan/Bokmål - God Jul og Godt Nyttår
58. Polish - Wesolych Swiat i Szczesliwego Nowego Roku.
59. Portuguese - Boas Festas e um feliz Ano Novo
60. Punjabi - Nave sal di mubaraka
61. Romanian - Craciun fericit si un An Nou fericit!
62. Russian - Pozdrevlyayu s prazdnikom Rozhdestva i s Novim Godom
63. Samoan - Ia manuia le Kilisimasi ma le tausaga fou
64. Scots Gaelic - Nollaig chridheil agus Bliadhna mhath ur!
65. Serbian - Sretan Bozic. Vesela Nova Godine
66. Sicilian - Bon Natali e Prosperu Annu Novu !
67. Somali - ciid wanaagsan iyo sanad cusub oo fiican.
68. Slovakian - Vesele Vianoce a stastny novy rok
69. Slovene - Vesele bozicne praznike in srecno novo leto
70. Spanish - Feliz Navidad y Próspero Año Nuevo
71. Sudanese - Wilujeng Natal Sareng Warsa Enggal
72. Swahili - ºKrismas Njema Na Heri Za Mwaka Mpyaº
73. Swedish - God Jul och Gott Nytt År
74. Tahitian - Ia ora i te Noere e ia ora na i te matahiti 'api
75. Thai - Suksan Wan Christmas lae Sawadee Pee Mai
76. Turkish - Noeliniz Ve Yeni Yiliniz Kutlu Olsun
77. Ukrainian - Veseloho Vam Rizdva i Shchastlyvoho Novoho Roku!
78. Vietnamese - Chuc Mung Giang Sinh - Chuc Mung Tan Nien
79. Welsh - Nadolig LLawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda
80. Yiddish - Gute Vaynakhtn un a Gut Nay Yor
81. Zulu - Sinifesela Ukhisimusi Omuhle Nonyaka Omusha Onempumelel

Posted by: justamomof4 at December 25, 2004 2:17 PM

Merry Christmas to Robert,and Hugh, and all of you who have contributed to JW and DW over the past year.

Posted by: Mackie at December 25, 2004 2:19 PM

Congratulations Voletti, my your marriage be filled with a lifetime love and happiness.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.
(Isaiah 9:6-7)

Merry Christmas everyone!

Posted by: Bar at December 25, 2004 2:30 PM

Merry Christmas, we starve of peace, and a truly peace is a peace without islam

Posted by: Franze at December 25, 2004 2:30 PM

Wishing everyone on this web site a joyous Christmas.
Special wishes to Voletti - may your marriage open new and wonderful chapters of life.

Words can hardly express my appreciation to many, or most, of those on this web site - thank you will have to suffice.

Catherine, was it a goose for a Christmas ? Hope you are having a wonderful Christmas dinner with those you love; and wish the same to all my web mates.

Posted by: dby at December 25, 2004 3:09 PM

Merry Christmas everyone!!
And a Happy New Year!
To voletti, may God richly bless you and your bride as you start your new life journey.

I would like to single out Robert and Hugh for their yeoman's work. May the peace, love and joy of our Lord Jesus Christ shine upon you and your loved ones.

To all those that despise us, let me say that God loves you whether you like or not. So there!

As for 2005, reality will no doubt prove to be stranger than any work of fiction. It will be an especially tough year for the tiny nation of Israel and the body of Christ. We will endure, no doubt, but I belive the Holy Spirit of God is on the march and we are beginning to see the reality of sin be it of islamic origins or of secular humanism. Let peace reign!

Posted by: R Dubya Bee at December 25, 2004 3:18 PM

We are truely blessed to live in this time.

Marx writes in the 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon,

Man makes his own history, but he does not make it out of whole cloth; he does not make it out of conditions he has chosen himself, but out of conditions he finds himself in.

Consider our good fortune: Voletti is going to be married soon, and will go on to have a good life with the man she chose over me. Voletti and her husband will carry on with their lives together for years; but look at our Moslem cousins profiled here a matter of days ago: Their idea of a honeymoon was to murder peole in a "suicide" bombing. That girl, 16 years old, did not choose her circumstances and conditions. Our friend is going forward into happiness; and the Moslem girl is going forward to prison, lucky for her. Maybe over the course of the coming years the girl will have time to think and learn and perhaps to dream. While Voletti has babies and lives like a Human being, the Moslem girl will sit in a cell underground wasting her life time. Marx continues: "The dead hand of tradition lies upon the minds of the living like a corpse." Voletti has everything to look forward to. Our Moslem cousins have only death brought down upon them by Islamic tradition and culture. Mna makes his own history, but sometimes it requires assistence from outside to make a better one.

We are blessed. We have the greatest challenge the world has seen since my Grandparents were young: we have the chance to save the world of Islam from the world of Islam. In a world where 16 year old girls are driven to suicide by immolation; where they're stoned to death for walking along in a French village; when they're sold into prostitution and are then hanged for immorality; in a world where children are sent out on their wedding day to kill and die, then we are blessed by being able to work toward ending that kind of world and to work toward creating one in which all people are free to live and love and raise up children to be loving parents.

For some of us this is a day when we celebrate birth over death. Others have been born into slavery not of their own choosing, and their nasty, brutish, and short lives are little but preparation for murder and suicide.

Unlike our Moslem cousins, we are free to think and choose. We can put our minds to imagining the time when all men are free. We are blessed in that we can work toward that day.

A man wrote here some months ago that he is raising two neices. He said he'll raise them to hate Islam, that very Islam that made men kill those girls' mother on September 11, 2001. That very Islam is murder every day. Daily, Islam makes motherless children and childless mothers. We are blessed in that we can change that world of Islam into one of Human decency and freedom in which mothers and children live happily and securely. What great thing it is that we do! And what great tragedy it is that we've lost our own.

Men make their own history. The slaves of Allah make death.

But we are blessed. We are fighting for the Good, and there is no doubt in the minds of Men and Women who are free to think. This is our time, and our conditions are so. I rejoice in this birth.

T.S. Eliot writes in "The Rock" that where old beams are rotten we will replace them with new ones, and that where the old bricks are crumbled we will replace them with new stone. We have the bricks. We have the Mortar.

Eliot writes:

The world turns and the world changes,
But one thing does not change.
In all my years, one thing does not change,
However you disguise it, this one thing does not change:
The perpetual struggle of Good and Evil.

Islam is dying. A new world is coming. We are blessed by finding ourselves at the bedside of this new birth.

On this day at this time, at this time of birth and life, let us think of the unchosen conditions of those we've lost but also of those we will save by struggling for the Good, those 16 year old girls and those mothers whose children will have to grow up without them.

Posted by: sonofwalker at December 25, 2004 4:17 PM

Merry Christmas everyone!

Will someone please explain? I've heard a few times that Jesus is thought highly of in Islam and this confuses me. Just recently on Fox, Irshad Manji, author of The Trouble with Islam, said that Jesus was one of the top five characters or prophets (something to that effect) in Islam.

Does Islam proclaim that Jesus was a Muslim? That He was not a Jew? What's the story?

Thank you.

Posted by: Greg at December 25, 2004 5:19 PM

Merry Christmas everyone,and a happy new year!!
Congratulations Voletti,i hope you will have a good marriage and a solid family life,filled with joy and healthy,beautiful children.
Merry Christmas Robert Spencer,a happy new year to you who have given us a beacon of hope in this dark night of our culture,traditions,informations,dominated by the ever suffocating politically correctness.
Merry Christmas Hugh Fitzgerald and DC Watson,a happy new year to you all!!!
My wishes for 2005:
may the ACLU be exposed for the neo marxist-communist organization that it is,may the abuse that the ACLU imposes on us all ,end this year,may the ACLU be destroyed and forever burn in hell.
May the main stream media start taking a hard and close look at the dangers of islam and may them start exposing it as the hate cult that it is.
May the beautiful and joyfull holyday that Christmas is ,forever stay alive,to brighten our days.
May our nation stay prosperous and safe in the face of danger.
May our troups come back safely after a total victory in Iraq.
May god bless the USA.

Posted by: adela at December 25, 2004 5:55 PM

Greg, there are others on this site who know far more than i on the subject.
However, as i understand it, the first moslem, mo the messenger, came along 6oo years after Christ, and several hundred years after the Christian New Testament had been circulating among Christians, and, claimed that only he, an illiterate, knew the true story of Christ, and Christians were lying.
He said the same about the Old Testament, which had been in 'book' form for a thousand years: the Jews were lying, only he, mo, knew the truth.

Amongst 'the truth' he knew, was that every one, Christ, Moses, King David, Mary M., Joshua, everyone, in both the old and new books, were moslems.

He took stories from the old and new books, got them totally wrong in his telling, and, of course, said he was right and the Christians and Jews were lying etc.

Keep in mind, non of the arab tribes accepted mo voluntarily, or thus, bought his bs. But, with bribery, war, murder, assasinations, torture, and by giving his male followers what every adolescent male dreams of, total control over women, he, over 10 years of wars and bloodshed, won. No one, at the time, bought his bs., it was forced on them.
Moslems are forbidden to read either the old or new testaments, for obvious reasons.
So moslems have adopted a totally rewritten, and crudely, rudely and totally missing the points, version of the long historical and philosophical journey of Christians and Jews, as their own.

All the characters, they have been told by the first moslem, mo, were moslems. This bizarre impossibility does not seem to impede their acceptance of this tripe.

Sadly, he, mo, also has obliterated the real arab history totally - anything pre-mo is of no interest to arab moslems, so they now have no history whatsoever that, for them, has any credence or importance.

Posted by: dby at December 25, 2004 6:25 PM

Merry Christmas and thank you so much for this website! It is a treasure trove of good information to be used to counter dhimmi nonsense!

Posted by: jmh at December 25, 2004 7:53 PM

Merry Christmas All and thanks for taking a stance against radical islam. I would venture to imagine that every one visiting and posting to this site has grave concerns for Humanity and devote a lot of time and effort to stay informed, passing along information, trading ideas, signing petitions, donating monie's, etc.

I have to admit that I am a reluctant Conservative with Liberal views who will use every resource available me to fight this insurgency and tame the tiger.

Greg asks how Muslims view Jesus (Isa); Mohamad was very cautious as to Isa while interpreting the Quaran,Isa is highly revered in the Muslim community and Isa is mentioned in the Quaran more more than any other subject or individual, he is believed to have been borne of the Virgin Mary and is viewed as prophet so as to explain away the miracles performed and the wisdom displayed, he was not viewed as Muslim but you had better believe he is given his due respect in the Muslim community and is treated with respect.
I wonder why this may be? Do you think Mohamad may have actually known the truth.

Nahumu,Nahumu,Am (Isiah 40:1)

Posted by: Chuck at December 25, 2004 8:46 PM

Thanks a lot DBY and Chuck.

Chuck, you say Jesus is highly revered but was not viewed as Muslim, what is He viewed as? Or, is it a subject not addressed, not to be discussed?

Thanks again.

Posted by: Greg at December 25, 2004 9:05 PM

Greg- Jesus is viewed as a prophet by Islam, but not as the Son of God. He is understood to be the son of Mary, but Mary (Miriam) the sister of Moses & Aaron- so it's a bit screwed up to say the least. Islam also does not believe that Jesus died on the cross, but that Judas was put in His place.

One of the main questions a Muslim has to answer (if he lets you ask it) is: you say Muhammed received a revelation from God. So why should I believe Muhammed and not Joseph Smith, who made exactly the same claim?

Posted by: miasarx at December 25, 2004 9:23 PM

Merry Christmas! Thank you for giving space to proclaim this. Thank you for this site. Have a happy new year!

Posted by: flameon1 at December 25, 2004 9:55 PM

Chuck,
certainly do not have the knowledge i should have in this area, but it was my understanding that islam says that all the biblical figures that were Jewish, thus including Christ, with Moses, Aaron et al, were moslem. ie the whole history of the development of our JudeoChristian culture was really done by moslems, and that we Christians and Jews are lying in our 'books'.

Your help in this matter, and from others with more knowledge than i, is much appreciated.

I would also like to wish the guy who sits at the desk where the buck finally stops, his family and loved ones, a joyous Christmas, a Christ filled Christmas.

Posted by: dby at December 25, 2004 10:20 PM

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE - TO ALL INFIDELS AND LIBERAL MUSLIMS STRIVING FOR A BETTER WORLD.
A bit O.T. but popular fortune teller to rich &famous says Bin Laden will be captured in 2005!!
Who cares if Christmas was based on a Pagan Belief, lets all enjoy it and try to love one another at least over Christmas period. A friend sent me following E Mail which would work out great in an Ideal World.
PASSPORT
NATIONALITY -Humanity
RELIGION - Love
Congratulations to Voletti on your wedding.

Posted by: Morgane at December 25, 2004 10:44 PM

Thank you miasarx!

No wonder they don't allow followers to ask questions or read anything else! With a foundation that thin, one would think that it would have withered away already.

You're right. There's no difference between Muhammed and Joseph Smith. Yet, the Mormons I've known have all been good, generous, kind people--not qualities that are seen often in Muslims. So, forced to choose, I'd have to go with Joe. (I don't believe either of them, but Joe's group seems much nicer.)

Just curious, if bin Laden were to claim he too had received a revelation from God--do you think he could pull it off?

Posted by: Greg at December 25, 2004 10:59 PM

Here's wishing a Merry Christmas (a Happy Christmas for our British folk) to all who celebrate. :-D

To voletti: May G-d bless you with a warm and lovely wedding day, filled with much joy and Simcha (the Hebrew word for prospective joy). And may your marriage be blessed with more days of happiness and love, than days of difficulty and sorrow.

Hey all, when did we accept the term "Infidel" upon ourselves?? I personally find this word disgusting, being as it means that we are heretics who don't believe in the one true G-d. While others might find this term agreeable (and I know it is really done in a mocking format), I think it is offensive and meant to dehumanize us.

Posted by: paula at December 25, 2004 11:20 PM

Merry Christmas to all!
Infidel is a "relative" term, depending on who is casting it. Without Fidelity to whom? We are all infidels and we all are not infidels.
Words can not hurt you, unless you let them.

Posted by: crusader rabbit at December 26, 2004 12:48 AM

Crusader rabbit,
A friend of mine by the name of jd rabbit just left,
Your input so reminded me of her awarenesses.

And greg, i don't know about the possible success of 'obl plays prophet', certainly there has been no shortage of players over the centuries including the 19th century Joseph Smith and the Mormons and an Iranian man, name ?, who started the Bahai faith, both of which are flourishing.

Posted by: dby at December 26, 2004 1:52 AM

Very Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!

Only us non-muslims should be able to call each other "infidel". All muslims should only use the "I" word from now on. This would only be the proper PC thing for them to do.

Posted by: cross at December 26, 2004 2:13 AM

Just a Mom: Thanks. 祝你們聖誕快樂! Zhu nimen Shengdan Kuaile! Zhu ngideo sintan koiluk! (Mandarin and Hakka).

Cross: Next time a Muslim calls you a kaffir or infidel, bring suit under your local hate speech law.

Posted by: Kepha1 at December 26, 2004 4:03 AM

By the way, to my Jewish neighbors and kin: Channukah Tov (belated)--and next time they call you the kin of apes and pigs, bring suit under hate speech and incitement laws.

Posted by: Kepha1 at December 26, 2004 4:04 AM

"Infidel is a "relative" term, depending on who is casting it. Without Fidelity to whom? We are all infidels and we all are not infidels.
Words can not hurt you, unless you let them."

Hi crusader rabbit. (btw, love the name. It reminds me of the wild rabbit that attacked President Carter one day when he was fishing - now that rabbit had real Moxi ;-) ) You know, in many ways I agree with you. I realize that taking offense is a choice, however, I reserve the right to take offense when I feel the comment is eggregious enough to warrant it. Are my feelings hurt over it?? Of course not! I couldn't care less that Muslims look at me with contempt. From my perspective, that just shows me just how low and contemptible they/their religion is/are.

That being said, I have no desire to give them any fuel and side with their insanity. If anyone are infidels, it is they. They are the ones who are "Johnny come latelys" telling us WE have it wrong. They point their fingers at us and say that we don't have the correct understanding because we don't believe in THEIR prophet. Well, their prophet was a false prophet who didn't even understand the basis of the religions he stole from to create his own blasphemous version of a monotheistic faith. And they have the unmitigated gall to call us "unfaithful" to the truth? Yeah, right!

So, yes, I choose to take offense at the word "infidel," if only to make a point: I will not bow down to their understanding/theology. I will not choose an inferior religion's derogatory and debasing (dehumanizing) word, to call myself or anyone else to whom I share like-mindedness.

Hope that clarifies what I meant in my first comment on this thread.

Posted by: paula at December 26, 2004 4:25 AM

Oops! "I will not choose an inferior religion's derogatory and debasing (dehumanizing) word, to call myself or anyone else with whom I share like-mindedness."

Posted by: paula at December 26, 2004 4:28 AM

Greg,

A good place to start to get resource information is at:http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles.htm

The list is rather long, but well worth the read.

* Quran
* Science and Quran
* Miracles
* Women in Islam
* Wives of the Prophet
* Morality and Ethics
* Modernism and Reformism in Islam
* Miscellaneous Articles
* Terrorism and Islamic Expansionism
* Human Rights Abuses in Islam
* Free thought
* About God
* Satire
* Humanism

Quran

Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy (Q.4:82)

* What Quran Teaches? The intolerant teachings of Islam Quranic verses
* An Imperfection in the Perfect Quran Kimble Smith 2004/10/30
* Psychotherapy a la Qur?anic verses? Abul Kasem October .24, 2003
* Inheritance Rand 23-Dec-2002
* Western Scholars Play Key Role In Touting 'Science' of the Quran By DANIEL GOLDEN Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL 02/15/02
* Contradictions in Quran (Arabic) S.K. 12/03/01
* Folklore in Qur?an-Who was Zul-Qarnain? S Kamran Mirza
* Contradictions, Inconsistencies and Errors of Quran S Kamran Mirza
* Divinity of Quran S Kamran Mirza
* Did Jesus Escape Crucifixion? Ali Sina
* Inheritance: Who Thought God Maths? Ali Sina
* Masjidul' Aqsa Didn't Allah study history? Ali Sina
* Samaritans and Moses? Ali Sina
* Day of Judgment Ali Sina
* Predestination Ali Sina
* An Open Challenge to Muslims Is Earth Fixed? Avijit Roy
* Historical Errors of the Qur'an
* Biblical Stories in Quran
* Qur'anic Language and Grammatical Mistakes
* Capricious Revelation of the Qur'an
* The Abrogator and Abrogated Qur'anic Verses
* The Contradictions of the Qur'an
* The Perversion of the Qur'an and the Loss of Many Parts of It
* The Content of the Qur'an
* Some Ordinances and Laws of the Qur'an
* Errors in the Qur'an
* Textual Corruption of the Qur'an
* What is koran
* Is the Qur'an Written in Pure Arabic?

Science and Quran

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

* 7 Layers of Heaven Ali Sina 2004/07/12
* Super-Scientific Religious Scriptures! Oct 21 2003 Avijit Roy
* Is Islam Scientific? By Shafiya April 2002
* Does Quran have any Scientific miracles ? By Avijit Roay
* Western Scientists Discovered the $cience in Quran Abul Kasem
* Religion vs. Modern Science Avijit Roy
* Genesis According to Muhammad Ali Sina
* Embryology of Quran A.E.
* Shooting Stars, Allah's Missiles to Scare the Jins? Ali Sina
* Science in the Quran
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Scientific Errors of the Qur'an

Miracles

Those who make you believe absurdities will also make you commit monstrosities. Voltaire

* Miracle of Miracles S Kamran Mirza
* Did Muhammad Perform Miracles? Aii Sina
* Miracles of Allah Ali Sina
* Numerical Miracles of the Quran Ali Sina
* Quran's Miracle of 19 Hikmat
* Alleged Mathematical Miracles in the Qur'an (or the Bible for that matter)
* Alleged Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an
* An Answer to Dr. Maurice Bucaille The Scientific Miracles of Quran
* The Mysterious 19 in the Quran
* The "Sura like it" Challenge
* Lies That Muslim Love to Tell Scrutinizing Rumors And Exposing Hoaxes

Women in Islam

"I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. " (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari V 2, B 24, N 541

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Importance of Sex in Islam Zaa Brifd 2004/01/18
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Beat your wives or ?separate from them?? Arab Christian and Egyptian Kafir September 7, 2003
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Reclaiming Hijab Or Declining Freedom? By Lopa Hassan 09/30/02
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Islam, Political Islam and Women in the Middle East. By Maryam Namazie 09/23/02
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Women in Islam: An exegesis By Abul Kasem 08/29/02
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Unveiling the Islamic Veil By Abul Kasem
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Inhuman but Islamic Indeed! By Syed Kamran Mirza 04/16/02
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Women's High status and Privileged Position Ayesha A 03/08/02
* Holy and blessed Family: An example to emulate? Abul Kasem 08/19/01
* Slave Girls and Their Rights in Islam 07/07/01
* Women's Paradise Abul Kasem 07/01/01
* Ambiguity of Dress Code in Islam: Burkha or Hijab (?) Khurshed Alam Chowdhury 06/14//01
* Polygamy Fatemolla
* Some Weird Logic in the Polygamy Debate Aparthib Zaman
* I Apologize Fatemolla
* Status of Women in Islam Hikmat
* Women Before and After Islam Did really Islam improve the status of women? Ali Sina
* Status of Women in Islam From Veil of Equality and Justice
* The Bitter Lament of a Muslim Woman
* I Am A Muslim Woman The story of Dr. Homa Darabi.
* Islam's Shame Lifting the Veil of Tears.
* The Women in Islam according to hadith and Quran

Wives of the Prophet

The tales of Muhammad?s wives and sex slaves are the most fascinating and also the most embarrassing part of the life of the Prophet. These are stories of lust, intrigues, mind games, jealousy and betrayal.

* Juwayriah Ali Sina 14-Feb -2003
* Propaganda from an apologist: a straight reply By Abul Kasem Jan, 1, 2003
* Adoption in Islam and Muhammad's Marriage to Zainab Bint Jahsh. S Kamran Mirza
* Mariyah The Coptic Sex Slave of the Prophet Ali Sina
* Safiyah: the Jewish wife of Muhammad
* Ayesha: the 9-year old Wife of the Prophet. Ali Sina
* Controversies About the Age of Ayesha. Answering the Muslims apologetics denying the young age of Ayesha when the Prophet married her. Understanding-islam.com
* Moral Evaluations of the Marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha Ali Sina
* The Wives of the Prophet (Islamic Site)

Morality and Ethics

?Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.?-- by Nobel Laureate physicist Steven Weinberg.

* Ethics, Moral Relativism and Islam I Kahn 2003/11/21
* Islamic Morality Anwar Shiekh 12/30/01
* Ethics vs. Morality Ali Sina
* The Ethics of Humanism
* The Place of Ethics in Buddhism
* The Philosophical Basis of Humanist Ethics
* Top 10 Reasons an Ethical Society Might be Right for You
* The Humanist Way: An Introduction to Ethical Humanist Religion

Modernism and Reformism in Islam

"The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reasoning."...Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, 1764

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Islamic Honesty and Honor Vernon Richards 2004/10/15
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Democratization in Iran Rom 2004/06/13
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Can Islam be reformed? Ali Sina Nov. 19, 2003
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Muslims Are Responsible For Their Plight Mohammad Asghar August 23, 2003
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Should Muslims Reject Some Parts of Qur?an too? (Rebuttal to an Islamist) Syed Kamran Mirza June 22, 2003
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Quran is responsible for Iraq's destruction: Mohammad Asghar May 01, 2003
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Exegesis of Muslim and Islamic Minds Syed Kamran Mirza April 16, 2003
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Islam and economic development By: John L Perkins April 10, 2003
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slamic economics, politics and prosperity By: John L Perkins April 3 2003
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Prosperity and the rise and fall of Islam By John L Perkins
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This sun must dawn from the West. On who is to blame for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism By Ali Sina 11/22/02
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Revisiting a sacrilegious domain that is fraught with fear By Jamal Hasan 10/01/02
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Are Persians Ready to Leave Islam? Ali Sina answering Anahita 09/30/02
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Fantastic Reasons Why Christians Should Embrace Islam! By Al Mansur 09/30/02
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Questioning Muslims By: Al Mansur 09/25/02
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How Islam Failed Muslims By: Ohmyrus 08/08/02
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Heaven and Hell By Shafiya April 2002
* Here is how the Islamist's mind work: By Abul Kazem 04/26/02
* Fastest Growing Religion? Syed Kamran Mirza 01/28/02
* Islamic Peace Train a la Brother Yusuf Islam Abul Kasem 01/12/02
* Islam and religion as a free intellectual exercise Tahir Aslam Gora 12/10/01
* Islam, A Peaceful Religion? 11/25/01
* The Fall Islam Ali Sina 08/05/01
* Islam: Religion of Peace or Terror? News 06/27/01
* Worshipping Ali Sina
* Still Searching Real Islam Abul Kasem
* What Is Real Islam? S Kamran Mirza
* Reinventing and Redefining Islam Abul Kasem
* Breaking the Manacles of Islam Abul Kasem
* Cocooned in Lies Ali Sina
* Fascistic Islam Ali Sina
* Slaying Islam Ali Sina
* Comments on Slaying Islam Aparthib vs. Isafarb.
* Who Feeds Fundamentalism? An Open Letter to Moderate Intellectual Muslims Ali Sina
* Imagine Ali Sina
* Islam vs. Muslims Ali Sina
* Is Islam a Religion or a Cult? Ali Sina
* Humanizing Islam Jamal.Hasan
* Absurdities of Hadith and Muslim's Denial Ali Sina

Miscellaneous Articles

"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge." Albert Einstein

* Were Muhammad's Wars in Self Defense? Ali Sina 2004/10/19
* ?Koran on Mountain?: Rebuttal to Islamic hypocrisy Syed Kamran Mirza 2004/10/08
* Milestones: The Islamist Manifesto Rebecca Bynum 2004/09/19
* From Critics to Apologists:
Antonio Chaves 2004/09/13
* The Secret of Muhammad?s Success. Ali Sina 2004/06/12
* Were Muhammad's Wars in Self Defense? Ali Sina 2004/10/19
* Apocalypse Forever: The Root of Islam Was a Very Dark Year Mark Twain 2004/06/27
* Qurbani: Are There Other Ways to Share Fortunes with the Needy? Syed M. Islam 2004/02/01
* When Almighty Allah Does Not Know Imran Hossain 2004/01/08
* Christianity or Mithraism 2003/12/23
* Wanting the love of another James Byrne 2003/12/13
* When Islam is Yours?; When Islam is Mine Abul Kasem September 2, 2003
* Approaching the end James Byrne August 26, 2003
* Questions for Muslims Rand April 29, 2003
* Sex and sexuality in Islam Abul Kasem May 9, 2003
* The Origin of Christmas Ali Sina 24-Dec-2002
* The Little Church Under The Stars By Hamzah 12/19/02
* Open Letter to All New Converts to Islam By Al Mansur
* Islamic Banking Is Not Islamic By Ohmyrus 09/30/02
* Once were warriors By Ohmyrus 09/25/02
* Islamic Game of Victimization By Ali Sina 09/24/02
* International ENOUGH day Author unknown 09/18/02
* Liberalizing Islamic Thought Jamal Hassan 09/17/02
* Interview of Professor Kanan Makiya, a scholar of Middle East affairs. By Jamal Hassan 09/05/02
* Brigit Interviews Ali Sina 08/30/02
* Ali Sina's open letter to Prof. Michael Sells 08/30/02
* The Politics of Religion and Oil By Ismahan Levi
* My House is Mine; Your House is Mine Too! By Syed Kamran Mirza
* Islam and Poetry By Abul Kasem 05/27/02
* Qurbani: S By Syed Kamran Mirza 04/21/02
* Virgins? What virgins? By Ibn Warraq 04/14/02
* I Slam Islam By Steve Omega 04/08/02
* Sacrifice to Appease the Merciful Allah! By Syed Kamran Mirza
* The Janus* Face of Islam Abul Kasem 01/16/02
* Is Pakistan Alone this time? The role of Islam in secluding Pakistan Tahir Aslam Gora 01/05/02
* Allah's Plan For The Dead Mamluk 12/25/01
* Gross Inanities In Islamic Myth Syed Kamran Mirza 11/25/01
* The Path to Enlightenment Eleni Muller 11/25/01
* The Baha'i Faith Ali Sina 10/22/01
* Sex In Paradise Ali Sina 09/07/01
* Poison pill of Sharia: An affront to the civil society Jamal Hassan
* The Force Behind Muhammad The Prophets psychological profile. Ali Sina
* Ibn Warraq's Prophetic Words: Islamic Invasion of the West News
* Images of Early Islam A.H. Jaffor Ullah
* An Interview with an Iranian Islamic Scholar Ali Z.
* Rape of Unbelievers in Islam Abul Kasem
* Why I Am Not A Muslim A Review of Ibn Warraq's Book Ali Sina
* Why I left Islam Ali Sina's Testimonial Ali Sina
* Jinns that Haunted Muhammad A Study of the Mental State of the Prophet. Ali Sina
* From Rags to Riches, From Preacher to Despot The Good and the Bad in Quran. Ali Sina 2004/3/26
* What Happened to the Jews of Medina Ali Sina
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The Invasion of Banu Qainuqa
The Invasion of Bani Nadir
The Invasion of Banu Quraiza
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* The Compassionate the Merciful Prophet. S Kamran Mirza
* Important Historic Dates of Islam
* Ali Sina responds to Ayatollah Ozma Montazeri on Muhammad's wives and his plundering merchant caravans Ali Sina
* Apostasy in Islam Ali Sina
* Looting Ali Sina
* Assassinations Ali Sina
* Bible Teaches Quotations

Terrorism and Islamic Expansionism

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." - Plato

* The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations. Professor Moshe Sharon 2004/02/14
* The Way of the Islamists: A Road to Perdition? Abul Kasem July 29, 2003
* Violence, terror, and Islam:
A plea to abandon the cocoon Mahfuzur Rahman April 11, 2003
* Islam's Warriors Looking For Saladin By Ohmyrus - 7-Dec-2002) This superb article explains why the fight against Islamic terrorism without attacking Islam is futile.
* The Mujahideen and the Samurai By Ohmyrus
* Was Falwell Wrong? Ali Sina 10/14/02
* Is Falwell To Be Blamed For Calling Muhammad Terrorist? Ali Sina 10/08/02
* Let Walker Walk Away. Put America On Trial Ali Sina 10/01/02
* Why We Critique Only Islam! By Syed Kamran Mirza 09/15/02
* A Year Later: Are we heeding yet? By: Ali Sina 09/09/02
* An Exegesis of Islamic Peace By Syed Kamran Mirza 09/06/02
* Islamization of the world by the year 2501 By: Ramesh R. Desai
* Say no to Political Correctness By Ali Sina 08/11/02
* Creating An Islamic State By Perfanalyst 08/08/02
* An exegesis on ?Jihad in Islam? Syed Kamran Mirza 06/23/02
* Call to Muslims of the World Faith Freedom International 18/10/01
* An Open Letter to Muslim Terrorists By. D. Canterbury 06/01/02
* The Ram temple is a symbol only By Hinduwoman 15/05/02
* Our Ubiquitous garden variety Bangladeshi Talibans! By Abul Kasem 04/15/02
* Israel Palestine conflict By Bishnu Dey 4/12/02
* The Islamic Psycho By Abul Kazem 04/01/02
* How one gets to be a Taliban? Seyed Kamran Mirza 12/15/01
* Free Thought is Best Weapon Moin Rahman 12/03/2001
* Yes, This is about Islam Salman Rushdie 11/02/2001
* Who Is The Enemy? Ali Sina 10/15/01
* US Citizen Wants To Join Jihad Against America John Lehmann 10/15/01
* Does Islam Really Have a Peaceful Face? A response to Karen. Armstrong by Ali Sina 10/06/01
* Islamic Drug Abul Kasem 10/06/01
* Oprah's Show Rod Dreher
* Terrorist's Guide

Human Rights Abuses in Islam

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

* A Vatican Shocker The Catholic Church blasts Islamic conquests and the subjugation of Christian lands and peoples Nov. 2, 2003
* Islamic Human Rights? Ohmyrus August 16, 2003
* Flogging By Ali Sina 11/24/02
* Stoning in Islam 07/07/02
* Two Views of The History of Islamic Slavery in Africa 06/14/02 By Sisam Stephan
* Human First 05/02/02 by Ali Sina
* Islamic Law for non-Muslims by Perfanalyst 04/14/02
* Intellectual Censorship in Islam: A Matter of Life and Death By Susan Stephan 02/15/02
* A tit for tat would serve the Islamists right! Abul Kasem 01/30/02
* All Those Slaves Of Muslims By. Fatemolla 12/31/01
* Islam: The Real Source of Violence Ali Sina
* Muslims in the West Ali Sina
* Pakistani Muslims in UK Ali Sina
* Human Rights in Muslim Understanding Dr. Christine Schirrmacher
* "How Dare You Defame Islam" Daniel Pipes
* Islam's Big Threat in America Daniel Pipes
* Blasphemy
* Is Islam Compatible With Democracy and Human Rights?
* Slavery and the Infidels in Islam
* Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA.org )
* Offensive War to Spread Islam
* Pakistan's 1971 Crimes in Bangladesh to Protect Islam

Free thought

?The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.?- Oliver Wendell Holmes

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

* A Course in Miracles or in Brainwashing? Ali Sina 2003/12/14
* Be a Prophet Unto Your Own Ali Sina 2003/12/13
* Does the Soul Exist? Syed Kamran Mirza Nov. 2, 2003
* "I'm Right, You're Wrong, Go To Hell" Religions and the meeting of civilization Bernard Lewis April 23, 2003
* Tolerance in Polytheism By Hindu 07/01/02u
* From Belief to Enlightenment: How to Wean Muslims From Islam Ali Sina 05/24/01
* The Origin of Faith Why Rational People Have Irrational Beliefs? Ali Sina 06/16/01
* Freethinkers of Islam Ali Sina 05/28/01
* Lies vs. Hate Ali Sina 05/15/01
* Finding the Truth Ali Sina
* Reason Is The King Ali Sina
* Which Religion Is Good? Ali Sina
* Reason and Faith Ali Sina
* Why Bad Beliefs Don't Die?
* The Quest for Truth : Secular Philosophy of Aroj Ali Matubbar Roy Avijit

About God

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein

"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear." ----Thomas Jefferson o

* Was Allah The Moon God of Ancient Arab Pagan? Syed Kamran Mirza August 4, 2003
* Evolution and God James Byrne June 14, 2003
* Soul and Immortality Ali Sina 16 -Mar -2003
* The Origin of God Ali Sina 06/02/01
* The Need For a Personal God Ali Z.
* God Some Logical difficulties God Some Logical difficulties
* Chance or Intelligence? By Ali Sina
* Creation or Random Evolution Avijit Roy
* Where is God!? A Reflection on the Nature of God
* Life Beyond and the Single Principle. Ali Sina
* The Purpose of Creation Ali Sina
* The Evolution of Monotheism Ali Sina
* Why Steven Hawking's Cosmology Precludes a Creator
* Can Science Prove that God Does Not Exist?
* Arguments about existence of "god"

Satire

* Sharia in America Ayesha Ahmed 2004/12/20
* A Complaint to Allah Ayesha Ahmed 2004/01/15
* Cangeez Khan and Mo Ayesha Ahmed August 4, 2003
* A Letter To Allah From A 10 Year Old Boy. . . Ayesha Ahmed 30- Jan 2003 (Satire)
* An urgent epistle to Osama By Abul Kasem 09/30/02
* Muslims Don't Grow Up: By Ayesha Ahmed 2002/08/14
* Haram and halal in Islam and the Ten Commandments By Ayesha Ahmed 2002/0729
* Muslims say the darnest things 07/21/02
* Allah's Mighty Throne In The Seventh Heaven, Abdul Kasem 11/12/01
* Letter From God Avijit Roy 11/16/01
* Laughing Buddha Abul Kasem 10/11/01
* Lampoon S Kamran Mirza 06/14//01
* The Unbelievable But Honest To God True Story of My Ascension To Heaven Ali Sina 06/10//01
* An email to Allah Internet Apostasy Abul Kasem 06/09/01

Humanism

* Seven Ideas of Humanism Islamic humanist
* Humanism: A Growing Movement Islamic humanist
* Creating a Humane Environment Islamic humanist
* Humanistic Humanity Moin Rahman
* Basic Principles of Secular Humanism
* Humanist Movement The Human Being At The Doors Of The New Millennium
* Universal Declaration of Human Rights
* Anti-slavery.org

Posted by: susan_b at December 26, 2004 5:51 AM

paula:

Being an "infidel" does NOT mean that you do not believe in the One True God (who is NOT "allah"). It means that you are an "unbeliever" in the demonic moon-"god" "allah" of the satanic blood cult of islam. Therefore, you can wear your "Infidel" label with pride.

I do!

voletti:

Congratulations (or Best Wishes, depending upon your gender)! Hopefully your soon-to-be future spouse will also be a JW/DW contributor and you can tag-team us!

A belated Merry Christmas to all!

Posted by: CGW at December 26, 2004 11:10 AM

Thank you susan_b.

Posted by: Greg at December 26, 2004 1:31 PM

Catherine, was it a goose for a Christmas ? Hope you are having a wonderful Christmas dinner with those you love; and wish the same to all my web mates.

Posted by: dby at December 25, 2004 03:09 PM

Yes it was and was Great!!

Voletti Hope the Day is Perfect for you and it Brings Happy-ness!!!

I think I am becoming part of the Art Bell crowd Cause yesterday when I heard of the EarthQuake in Indonesia I thought with all distracked with the Space Docking and Christmas that it was a Nuke Test??

Just a Thought??

Seams that it was a year ago today that an Earthquake in Bam Iran Killed 31,000 People and ???

Again hope all had a GOOD Christmas!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Sight,Wisdom, and Courage to Stay the course to Victory to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat and Give the World the Courage to Stand and Fight Amen

Posted by: Catherine at December 26, 2004 1:43 PM

Nassem says...

...(although the 14 million turkeys slaughtered I'm sure wouldn't agree with that)."

Is that what you meant to say Nassem? 14M Turkeys? What country is this figure of 14M turkeys consumed to have been? Do you have any links or proof to back it up? Or did you mean to say that this is the number in Canada? If you meant to say the US then click on this link to wise up you pakistidiot.

I submit the following link to demonstrate that your numbers Naseem are woefully inaccurate, just like everything else you say. Future information you provide will scrutinized and verified.

http://www.eatturkey.com/consumer/history/history.html

Posted by: cross at December 27, 2004 2:37 AM

Nassem says...

...(although the 14 million turkeys slaughtered I'm sure wouldn't agree with that)."

Is that what you meant to say Nassem? 14M Turkeys? What country is this figure of 14M turkeys consumed to have been? Do you have any links or proof to back it up? Or did you mean to say that this is the number in Canada? If you meant to say the US then click on this link to wise up you pakistidiot.

I submit the following link to demonstrate that your numbers Naseem are woefully inaccurate, just like everything else you say. Future information you provide will be scrutinized and verified.

http://www.eatturkey.com/consumer/history/history.html

Posted by: cross at December 27, 2004 2:38 AM

What about Indonesia's Boxing Day gift to the world? OK, I will let the Muslims off this time. But just this once. I bet that Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Arab countries only give aid to the (Muslim) Maldives. But nobody is talking about the Christian islanders.

PLEASE SPARE A THOUGHT FOR THE CHRISTIAN NICOBARESE.

The Nicobar Islands took the biggest hit. The Nicobar Islands are 95% Christian. (They resisted all attempts at conversion by outsiders for over 200 years, and had no time for Islam, despite being so close to Banda Atjeh and Malaysia. Then, about 100 years ago, a strange thing happened, one of their own people converted all the tribes in the space of a few decades, and then translated the bible into Nicobarese. The conversion was completely indigenous and free willed).

It seems as if about 5% of the Nicobarese have been wiped out and about half are now homeless. These are special people as Christianity is rare in this corner of Asia.

The Nicobar Islands belong to India simply because they were part of the British Empire, although the Nicobarese have no linguistic, cultural or racial links with mainland India.
The islands are completely off-limits to the outside world and the Indian government has done nothing to develop the local economy. The last time I looked, there was not a single site on the internet dedicated to these beautiful and interesting islands.

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"These islands lying so immediately under the sun, have a luxuriance of which those who have not seen them can form but a faint conception. Trees so valuable, so beautiful, so deservedly prized in other parts of the world, here are wild, neglected and valueless, being merely employed for fuel or hut building."

A description of the Nicobar Islands from "Reconnoitring, Voyages, Travels & Adventures in the New Colonies of South Australia, &c. &c. &c." (State Library of New South Wales) by W.H. Leigh, 1839.

Posted by: Timbo at December 27, 2004 11:25 PM

Timbo says,

"The last time I looked, there was not a single site on the internet dedicated to these beautiful and interesting islands."

Your're kidding right?

Google has page after page of Nicobar Islands websites.

Please link me up to where it shows a 95% Christian population. It appears most of the people are hindu although this link sights the source to be a 1991 census it appears that Hindu is by far the religion of choice followed by Christianity a distant 2nd.

http://tourism.andaman.nic.in/generalinfo.htm#rel

The Nicobar Islands looks like any other island to me. I'd be just as happy snokeling off the FL keys as to go all the way to Nicobar Islands. Even if I had free airfare ie retired military etc I still don't see the advantage of Nicobar Islands. I suppose I would impress all my friends and relatives by going all the way to Nicobar Islands. And for what? Tell me what Nicobar Islands has that HI or many US coastal towns doesn't?

And what about this? You say "The Nicobar Islands took the biggest hit." This shows that only 20 people died.

http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/dec/26an.htm?headline=Quake~hits~Andaman~

Sorry Timbo your post is BS.

Posted by: cross at December 28, 2004 4:01 AM

No doubt the numbers of dead Nicobarians (sic) has risen from 20 but look at this stat from the New York Sun.

..In addition to private organizations' efforts, a $15 million aid package has been offered by the American government to the Asian countries, including $4.4 million of a $6.6 million appeal by the Red Cross from the world community. The 25-nation European Union has pledged $4 million.

Thats right, the US coughs up $15Million while 25 EU Countries COMBINED DONATES A MEASLY 4 Million! wtf?

Someone tell me why the US taxpayers once again are shelling out money to foreigners on the other side of the world?

Tell me how many dollars the Nicobarian Islanders sent to America to help the Okies when the tornados hit and killed hundreds?

Where is the outpouring of generosity when the hurricanes hit the east coast of the US.

I could be wrong but my thought is that the Nicobarian islanders living in their tropical paradise don't give a rats ass about America or the EU.

Posted by: cross at December 28, 2004 5:51 AM

YOU'RE ALL HEART CROSS! WHY SHOULD THE RICH HELP THE POOR? YOU TELL ME...

FORTUNATELY I HAVE MET SO MANY GREAT AMERICANS THAT I KNOW YOU ARE IN A TINY MINORITY, SO I WILL NOT BRING YOUR NATION INTO THIS.

I HAVE BEEN TO THE ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS.
YES THE ANDAMAN/NICOBAR GROUP IF TAKEN AS A WHOLE (THEY FORM ONE INDIAN UNION TERRITORY) ARE MAJORITY HINDU, HOWEVER THE NICOBAR ISLANDS, POPULATED BY THE NICOBARESE, ARE MAJORITY CHRISTIAN. THE BULK OF THE POPULATION LIVE ON THE ANDAMANS.

LAST INFO I HEARD WAS THAT 2,000 WERE DEAD ON THESE ISLANDS. (SOURCE = THE BBC)

YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY CHRISTIAN TRIBALS IN INDIA ARE VERY PRO-AMERICAN. I WAS IN SUCH AN AREA THIS YEAR AND WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HOW MANY U.S. FLAGS I SAW ON HATS, CARS, TRUCKS, SHIRTS ETC. ETC.. THEY HAVE MUCH LOVE & RESPECT FOR YOUR COUNTRY.

N0BODY SENDS MONEY TO THE USA, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED IT. YOU ARE ALSO THE WORLD'S BIGGEST POLLUTER, AND YOU ARE SCREWING UP THIS PLANET FOR THE REST OF US. WE ARE ALL PAYING FOR AMERICANS. WHEN OUR TROOPS DIE IN IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN, WE PAY FOR THE AMERICANS.

YES, THERE ARE MANY SITES DEDICATED TO "THE ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS" BUT IF YOU REALLY LOOK, YOU WILL FIND ALMOST ALL THE INFO IS ABOUT THE ANDAMANS (not the Nicobars). THE NICOBAR ISLANDS ARE FAR SMALLER, VERY DIFFERENT AND OUT OF BOUNDS TO TOURISTS.

DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU A LIST OF BOOKS TO READ ABOUT THESE ISLANDS? IT SEEMS YOU KNOW NOTHING, BUT YOU THINK YOU ARE AN EXPERT.

BUT HEY, I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE, AND I'VE ONLY READ TEN BOOKS ABOUT THEM - WHAT THE HELL DO I KNOW!

Posted by: Timbo at December 28, 2004 6:33 AM

"Despite the efforts of half a dozen European nations to convert the Nicobarese, their acceptance of Christ eventually came about through their own efforts, rather than through that of outside agencies. In 1896, a South Indian missionary called Vedappan Solomon arrived at the islands. The locals liked him and he started a school in Mus village with 12 students. One of his young students was called Hachevke, who Vedappan rechristened ‘John Richardson’ and the promising young man was packed off to a college in British Burma.
John Richardson returned to his native islands in 1912 and started a Christian school of his own, and in due course became the most important individual in Nicobarese history. Richardson became a bishop in 1950, and by 1970, he had translated the bible into Nicobarese. Where so many had failed, and died in the process, this powerfully charismatic man managed almost single-handedly to convert 95 per cent of the Nicobarese to Christianity. It was also due to his efforts that the local cooperative society started, which subsequently became the mainstay of the tribal economy and stopped the islanders being cheated by traders from Port Blair."

This is also BS is it? Wow Cross, please tell us more about the Andaman & Nicobar Islands!

"Please link me up to where it shows a 95% Christian population."

I can't - I told you, there is no site dedicated just to the Nicobar Islands! The A&N Island sites only talk about the Andamans.

"Someone tell me why the US taxpayers once again are shelling out money to foreigners on the other side of the world?"

Ahhh... that Christmas spirit! Anyway, when did I ask anybody to give any money? I just said these guys are Christians, not Muslims. Gosh - what a fuss over nothing!

"Even if I had free airfare ie retired military etc I still don't see the advantage of Nicobar Islands."

The Nicobar islands (what is left of them) have several unique species of plants and animals that only appear in those islands and an interesting tribal culture. "Culture". Hmmmmm.... that's a tough one to explain to an American. [Only joking folks!]

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A BELATED MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL NICOBARESE & AMERICANS. HAVE A SAFE & HAPPY 2005.

Posted by: Timbo at December 28, 2004 7:35 AM

Timbo says,

"YOU'RE ALL HEART CROSS! WHY SHOULD THE RICH HELP THE POOR?"

Really? I suppose the dead tornado victims in the dust of Oklahoma are richer than the islanders of the Nicobar paradise you so aptly long for.

"FORTUNATELY I HAVE MET SO MANY GREAT AMERICANS THAT I KNOW YOU ARE IN A TINY MINORITY, SO I WILL NOT BRING YOUR NATION INTO THIS."

Really? I bet those Great Americans thought you were just another sycophant.

"I HAVE BEEN TO THE ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS.
YES THE ANDAMAN/NICOBAR GROUP IF TAKEN AS A WHOLE (THEY FORM ONE INDIAN UNION TERRITORY) ARE MAJORITY HINDU, HOWEVER THE NICOBAR ISLANDS, POPULATED BY THE NICOBARESE, ARE MAJORITY CHRISTIAN. THE BULK OF THE POPULATION LIVE ON THE ANDAMANS."

Really? You have been to the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS wow I'm so impressed!

"LAST INFO I HEARD WAS THAT 2,000 WERE DEAD ON THESE ISLANDS. (SOURCE = THE BBC)"

Really? Well you aren't there to count them now are you so how do you know...the BBC? You watch when the "official" numbers are in and it will be from the American Red cross. Get that, AMERICAN.

"YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY CHRISTIAN TRIBALS IN INDIA ARE VERY PRO-AMERICAN. I WAS IN SUCH AN AREA THIS YEAR AND WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HOW MANY U.S. FLAGS I SAW ON HATS, CARS, TRUCKS, SHIRTS ETC. ETC.. THEY HAVE MUCH LOVE & RESPECT FOR YOUR COUNTRY."

Really? But this is just the Christian minority, the majority are Hindu and couldn't care less about the US or you.

"N0BODY SENDS MONEY TO THE USA, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED IT. YOU ARE ALSO THE WORLD'S BIGGEST POLLUTER, AND YOU ARE SCREWING UP THIS PLANET FOR THE REST OF US. WE ARE ALL PAYING FOR AMERICANS. WHEN OUR TROOPS DIE IN IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN, WE PAY FOR THE AMERICANS."

This statement this plain angers me. You and you liberal types think us US taxpayers owe everyone in the world our fuc*ing hard earned money. Truth is we don't owe you or the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS tribal people a damn thing. If we didn't give away so much money we would all have 100% health care in America. We don't though, why? Because we spend it all protecting other countries countries like the one you probably live in. We protect your dumb ass and all you do is complain that we are rich, you suck!

"YES, THERE ARE MANY SITES DEDICATED TO "THE ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS" BUT IF YOU REALLY LOOK, YOU WILL FIND ALMOST ALL THE INFO IS ABOUT THE ANDAMANS (not the Nicobars). THE NICOBAR ISLANDS ARE FAR SMALLER, VERY DIFFERENT AND OUT OF BOUNDS TO TOURISTS."

Really? Out of bounds? Then why the fuc* should I help pay to put some sandbar out in the middle of the ocean back together when I can't even go have a look at it? Ridiculous!

"DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU A LIST OF BOOKS TO READ ABOUT THESE ISLANDS? IT SEEMS YOU KNOW NOTHING, BUT YOU THINK YOU ARE AN EXPERT."

O Please do, nothing I would want more than to read up on the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS.
Some sandpit where I could never tour even if I wanted to. Fuc* U

"BUT HEY, I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE, AND I'VE ONLY READ TEN BOOKS ABOUT THEM - WHAT THE HELL DO I KNOW!"

Timbo is smart. He reads about the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS. He's even been there before. Wow you are so cultured and sophisticated. You know about the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS! Tell me more, tell me more about the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS!

Finally Timbo says,

"The Nicobar islands (what is left of them) have several unique species of plants and animals that only appear in those islands and an interesting tribal culture. "Culture". Hmmmmm.... that's a tough one to explain to an American. [Only joking folks!]"

America, the richest country in the world (according to Timbo). America, a country without universal healtcare for all citizens, owes Timbo and the people of the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS money.

America, the richest country in the world has no culture. I guess I should hop on a Plane (which btw an AMERICAN invented!) and fly to the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS so I can be cultured just like Timbo.

Posted by: cross at December 28, 2004 6:34 PM

Timbo,

Timbo has been reading up on the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS. These are some of the islands that got hit with some ocean water from the tsunamis. For those of you who are not so enlightened on these great Islands, these are islands that no one can visit according to the ever so smart Timbo, he's been reading up on books about the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS,ten at last count he claims. Ten books this guy has read about the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS and they are "out of bounds" to tourists...that means you cannot go there, I guess they must really be special.

He thinks us Americans are so rich that we can easily afford to pay out millions of taxpayers dollars to help the island tribal people rebuild their island paradise of ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS while we struggle to survive here in America oh and don't think of ever going there because even after all the millions and millions of dollars and all the manpower and hospital and medical aid, no American or any one else can go visit or tour there. It's off limits says Timbo the expert on the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS afetr all he read TEN whole books about the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS.

He is so enlightened and so in touch with the rest of the world he is so cool and hip, why just look at how he sneers at America. That is really cool isn't it? Timbo is such a cool enlighted kind of dude, wow I wish I was as cool and hip as he is. Too bad he doesn't help the people of the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS with his own money. This hypocrit thinks it should always be the rich Americans that should pay for everything that happens to people on this planet and then scoffs at us.

Too bad Timbo the expert on the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS wasn't there to have drowned with the rest of the people he thinks are so much greater and cultured than us uncultured Americans. These tribal people on the great ANDAMAN & NICOBAR ISLANDS have plants and animals, wow can you imagine? Plants and animals that are so much better and enlightened than anything found in America.

Hey Timbo what country do you call home?

Posted by: cross at December 29, 2004 3:48 AM